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Sessions took place across the Foundation, Growth, and Enterprise tracks, with workshops running alongside the main program.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of the opening sessions was James LePage’s <em>WordPress and AI</em>, which introduced a theme that appeared throughout the conference: how WordPress is responding to changes in AI, publishing, and developer workflows. That topic continued in later sessions focused on AI-driven development, autonomous testing, plugin maintenance, and automation.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" src=\"https://www.youtube.com/embed/-mFbUueL0NE?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en-US&autohide=2&wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"></iframe>\n</div></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Later that morning, a fireside chat with Mary Hubbard and Shilpa Shah shifted the focus toward trust, security, and the longer-term questions shaping open source publishing. Coming early in the program, the conversation gave the conference an important center of gravity, pairing technical change with questions of stewardship, resilience, and what people needed from WordPress as the web continued to evolve. 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(22 April)</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/77479#top\">Media Editor experiment: add experimental image editor and cropper</a></li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">Stay in Touch</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Did you like this episode? <a href=\"https://lovethepodcast.com/gutenbergchangelog\"><strong>Please write us a review </strong></a></li>\n\n\n\n<li>Ping us on X (formerly known as Twitter) or send DMs with questions. <a href=\"https://twitter.com/gutenbergtimes\">@gutenbergtimes </a>and <a href=\"https://twitter.com/bph\">@bph</a>.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>If you have questions or suggestions, or news you want us to include, send them to <a href=\"mailto:changelog@gutenbergtimes.com\">changelog@gutenbergtimes.com</a>. </em></li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Please write us a review on iTunes! <a href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/itunes/\">(Click here to learn how)</a></em></li>\n</ul>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"transcript\"><strong>Transcript</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The transcript is in the works. </p>\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}s:7:\"pubDate\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:31:\"Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:28:04 +0000\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}}s:32:\"http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/\";a:1:{s:7:\"creator\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:18:\"Birgit Pauli-Haack\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}}}}i:1;a:6:{s:4:\"data\";s:21:\"\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";s:5:\"child\";a:2:{s:0:\"\";a:5:{s:5:\"title\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:89:\"Gutenberg Times: WordPress 7.0 on May 20, Gutenberg 23.0 and more — Weekend Edition 364\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}s:4:\"guid\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:35:\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/?p=45372\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}s:4:\"link\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:86:\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-on-may-20-gutenberg-23-0-weekend-edition-364/\";s:7:\"attribs\";a:0:{}s:8:\"xml_base\";s:0:\"\";s:17:\"xml_base_explicit\";b:0;s:8:\"xml_lang\";s:0:\"\";}}s:11:\"description\";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:\"data\";s:29525:\"<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hi there, </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Good news, dear friends. WordPress 7.0 has a new release date! May 20, 2026. Announced on Friday, the post featured the <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/wordpress-7-0-release-party-updated-schedule/\">updated release party schedule</a>: All release parties happen in the <a href=\"https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C02RQBWTW\">Make #core Slack channel</a>. Everyone is welcome to join. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week, I also traveled to Salzburg, Austria to discuss WordPress 7.0 features with the local community. It was a great joy to meet so many fellow community organizers from WordCamps Vienna, Europe and Kampala, as well as the local meetup organizers and participants from Salzburg. </p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-newsletterglue-showhide ng-block\" width=\"100%\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"embed-twitter\"><blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\"><p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"de\">Auf dem Weg nach Salzburg zum WordPress Meetup heute abend <a href=\"https://t.co/vQbGHHN8vv\">https://t.co/vQbGHHN8vv</a><br />Wir werden uns über die Änderungen in WordPress 7.0 unterhalten und die neuen Features vorstellen <a href=\"https://twitter.com/hashtag/WordPress?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#WordPress</a> Es sind noch Plätze frei! <a href=\"https://t.co/FqgjsaOYjA\">pic.twitter.com/FqgjsaOYjA</a></p>— Birgit Pauli-Haack (@bph) <a href=\"https://twitter.com/bph/status/2046908121038172547?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">April 22, 2026</a></blockquote></div>\n</div></figure>\n</div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"embed-twitter\"><blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\"><p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">Such a beautiful privilege to be able to work from the train traveling through the Bavarian landscape. <a href=\"https://twitter.com/hashtag/myofficetoday?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#myofficetoday</a> <a href=\"https://t.co/FdV5A6SaaR\">pic.twitter.com/FdV5A6SaaR</a></p>— Birgit Pauli-Haack (@bph) <a href=\"https://twitter.com/bph/status/2047243496919093747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">April 23, 2026</a></blockquote></div>\n</div></figure>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Enjoy the hopefully restful weekend. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yours, <img alt=\"💕\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f495.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><br /><em>Birgit</em></p>\n\n\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"0-word-press-release-information\">Developing Gutenberg and WordPress</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Ray Morey</strong>, The Repository has the skinny about <a href=\"https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-7-0-gets-a-new-may-20-release-date\"><strong>WordPress 7.0 Gets a New May 20 Release Date</strong></a></p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Jonathan Desrosiers</strong> and <strong>Max Schmeling</strong> of the WordPress Core team has published <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/distributed-rtc-performance-testing\"><strong>Distributed RTC performance testing</strong></a>, a bash/PHP load-testing tool for the real-time collaboration HTTP polling endpoint coming in WordPress 7.0. Hosting providers can run scenarios — baseline, single idle, sustained polling, burst concurrency, and two-client editing — then submit results directly to WordPress.org. Only curl and bash are required, with WP-CLI optional. If you’re a host and need reporting credentials, ping Jonathan Desrosiers (<code>@desrosj)</code> or Amy Kamala (<code>@amykamala</code>) in the <a href=\"https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C3D6T7F8Q\">#hosting Slack channel</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>JuanMa Garrido</strong> introduces the <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/16/wordpress-core-dev-environment-toolkit-a-faster-path-to-your-first-core-contribution/\"><strong>WordPress Core Dev Environment Toolkit</strong></a>, a desktop app for macOS, Windows, and Linux that eliminates the painful setup that burns through Contributor Days before anyone writes a line of code. Powered by WordPress Playground, it bundles Git, Node, and npm as JS/WASM — so you install the app, click a button, and you’re cloning <code>wordpress-develop</code>, running a dev server, and generating Trac patches without touching a terminal. </p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The latest Dev note arrival brings you <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/04/22/roster-of-design-tools-per-block-wordpress-7-0/\"><strong>Roster of design tools per block (WordPress 7.0 edition</strong>)</a>. I updated a previous version for WordPress 7.0, summarizing design support changes across the last ten releases. WordPress 7.0 adds seven new blocks — Accordion, Breadcrumbs, Icon, Math, Post Time to Read, and the Term Query family — and renames Verse to Poetry. 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You’ll learn how to find the dimensions panel in the editor and learn when to reach for padding (space inside a block), margin (space around it), block spacing (gaps between child blocks), and minimum height. 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With <code>theme.json</code> v3, <code>register_block_style()</code>, synced patterns, and <code>wp_enqueue_block_style()</code>, you can build design systems, reusable components, and performant layouts without proprietary tools — and without locking your clients into someone else’s ecosystem when developer relationships change.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At WordCamp Asia, the <a href=\"https://wordpress.tv/2026/04/21/wordpress-speed-build-challenge-2/\"><strong>WordPress Speed Build Challenge</strong></a> returned for a second round: experienced builders had 30 minutes, a surprise brief revealed live on stage, and nothing but the Full Site Editor — no page builders, no custom code. Watch how they tackle layout, content, styling, and real-time problem-solving under pressure while narrating their decisions. 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Think of it as a week-long podcast you keep open while you work.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you’re in New York on April 29, <a href=\"https://automattic.com/2026/04/hilary-mason/\"><strong>dev/ai/nyc with Hilary Mason</strong></a> is worth your evening. Hilary Mason — CEO of Hidden Door, founder of Fast Forward Labs, and former Chief Scientist at bit.ly — joins Jesse Friedman, who leads WP Cloud at Automattic, for a fireside chat on AI, creativity, and human-computer interaction. Doors open at 5:30 PM at Automattic’s NoHo space on Crosby Street, with drinks and bites after. <a href=\"https://luma.com/jae3jufw\">Registration is on Luma</a>. The event is free of charge. </p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <a href=\"https://checkoutsummit.com/\"><strong>Checkout Summit</strong></a> in-person event just wrapped up in Palermo, Sicily — don’t be sad you missed the arancine and Aperol Spritz. Organizer <strong>Rodolfo Melogli</strong> of Business Bloomer will reassemble 18+ speakers for the online edition, <strong>{Reloaded}</strong>, on May 7–8, 2026 starting at just €20. The WooCommerce-focused lineup covers SEO after AI, MCP integrations, hosting security, Shopify comparisons, and scaling strategies — practical sessions, zero fluff, built for developers and agency pros.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Rae Morey</strong>, The Repository has the skinny for you in <a href=\"https://www.therepository.email/cant-make-it-to-palermo-checkout-summit-is-going-online-in-may\"><strong>Can’t Make It to Palermo? 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Registration and sponsorship are open.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https://wpaccessibility.day/2026/sponsorship/\"><strong>WordPress Accessibility Day 2026</strong></a> is a free, 24-hour global livestream on <strong>October 7–8, 2026</strong>, dedicated to accessibility best practices for WordPress developers, designers, and content creators. The volunteer-led nonprofit event includes live captions and ASL interpretation for all sessions, with corrected transcripts published afterward. 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It’s takes a village…</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-primary-color has-text-color has-link-color has-small-font-size wp-elements-a8bb9ec1783f5f0c5623981a664fedce is-content-justification-left is-nowrap is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-fbe4aca3 wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\" style=\"text-decoration: none;\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Estimated reading time</p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-time-to-read\">21–31 minutes</div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">at </p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-time-to-read\">4,911 words</div></div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Table of Contents</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<nav class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents\"><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#changelog\">Changelog</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#important-note-guidelines\">Important note/guidelines</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#overview\">Overview </a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#important-links\">Important links:</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#assets\">Assets </a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#tags\">Tags</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#priority-items-for-wordpress-7-0\">Priority items for WordPress 7.0 </a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#real-time-collaboration-rtc-enterprise-site-admin\">Real-Time Collaboration (RTC) [enterprise][site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#navigation-overlays-and-more-theme-builder-plugin-author-site-admin\">Navigation Overlays and more [theme builder][plugin author] [site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#treating-patterns-like-a-single-block-all\">Treating patterns like a single block [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#ai-in-wordpress-enterprise-developers-site-admin\">AI in WordPress [enterprise][developers][site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#visual-revisions-all\">Visual Revisions [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#new-blocks\">New Blocks</a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#breadcrumbs-block-all\">Breadcrumbs Block [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#icon-block-all\">Icon Block [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#block-editor-enhancements\">Block Editor 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[site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#dimension-support-for-width-and-height-theme-builder-site-admin\">Dimension support for width and height [theme builder][site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#email-notifications-for-notes-all\">Email notifications for Notes [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#block-attributions-groups-in-the-sidebar-all\">Block Attributions Groups in the sidebar [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#link-control-validation-end-user-site-admin\">Link Control validation [end user] [site admin]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#improved-blocks-and-block-handling\">Improved Blocks and Block handling</a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#pseudo-styles-for-button-blocks-theme-builder-site-admin\">Pseudo Styles for Button Blocks [theme builder][site admin] </a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#extra-divs-removed-from-blocks-in-the-editor-theme-builder-developer-site-admin\">Extra divs removed from blocks in the editor [theme builder][developer][site admin] </a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#universal-text-alignment-all\">Universal Text Alignment [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#cover-block-video-embeds-site-admin-end-user\">Cover Block Video Embeds [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#gallery-block\">Gallery Block </a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#responsive-grid-block-site-admin-end-user-theme-builder\">Responsive Grid Block [site admin][end user][theme builder]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#heading-block-variations-site-admin-end-user\">Heading block variations [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#html-block-enhancement-site-admin-themebuilder-end-user\">HTML Block Enhancement [site admin] [themebuilder] [end user] </a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#image-block-inline-editing-and-controls-site-admin-end-user\">Image block inline editing and controls [site admin][end user]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#math-block-improvements-end-users-site-admin\">Math Block Improvements [end users][site admin]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#paragraph-all\">Paragraph [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#query-loop-enhancements-all\">Query Loop Enhancements [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#verse-block-renamed-to-poetry-all\">Verse Block, renamed to Poetry [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#admin-workflow-updates\">Admin / Workflow updates </a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#manage-fonts-for-all-themes-in-a-dedicated-page-site-admin-theme-builder-enterprise\">Manage fonts for all themes in a dedicated page [site admin][theme builder] [enterprise]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#command-palette-in-adminbar-all\">Command Palette in Adminbar [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#view-transitions-all\">View Transitions [all]</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#improved-screens-across-wp-admin-all\">Improved screens across WP-Admin [all]</a></li></ol></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#developer-goodies-developer-enterprise\">Developer Goodies [developer][enterprise]</a><ol><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#php-only-block-registration\">PHP-only block registration</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#pattern-overrides-for-custom-blocks\">Pattern Overrides for custom blocks</a></li><li><a class=\"wp-block-table-of-contents__entry\" href=\"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordpress-7-0-source-of-truth/#dataviews-data-form-components-and-fields-api\">DataViews, Data Form components and Fields API </a></li><li><a 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Use this as inspiration for your own stuff and to get the best info about this release. If you do copy and paste, just remember that others might do the same, and it could lead to some awkward moments with duplicate content floating around online.</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Each item has been tagged using best guesses with different high-level labels so that you can more readily see at a glance who is likely to be most impacted.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Each item has a high-level description, visuals (if relevant), and key resources if you would like to learn more.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"overview\">Overview </h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"Highlight grid WordPress 7.0 (still a work in progress) \" class=\"wp-image-44936\" height=\"375\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/7-0_highlight-grid-2026-03-26.png?resize=652%2C375&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Note: As always, what’s shared here is being actively pursued but doesn’t necessarily mean each will make it into the final release of WordPress 7.0.</em></p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 introduces several new features and performance enhancements.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Key new features include:</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Real-time collaboration: </strong>multiple users can now work on the same post. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Navigation overlays:</strong> Customizable mobile menus for more flexible styling. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Content focused pattern editing:</strong> Pattern editing now prioritizes the content editing experience with more available options when needed.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Visual revisions: </strong>A new revisions screen inside the block editor gives a visual preview of the changes with an easy-to-understand color-coded system.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>AI Foundation in WordPress: </strong>User can connect their site to an AI agent of choice to use the AI experiments plugin. Plugin developers can use the Connectors API to register connections to external services.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Furthermore, WordPress 7.0, entails:</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Two new blocks: </strong>the Icon block and the Breadcrumbs block.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Viewport-based block show/hide:</strong> Block visibility extended to customize display according to screen-sizes. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Gallery lightbox navigation:</strong> improved browsing through images placed in a gallery.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Font management</strong> for all themes: The screen to upload and manage fonts is now available in the <strong>Appearance</strong> menu for classic and block themes.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many more quality of life changes for workflow and design tools made it into this release. You’ll find the complete list below. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/7-0/\">WordPress 7.0</a> is <s>set to be released on April 9, 2026 at <a href=\"https://asia.wordcamp.org/2026/wordpress-7-0-release-on-contributor-day/\">Contributor Day of WordCamp Asia</a>.</s> <br />The new release date will be announced no later than April 22. (see <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/31/extending-the-7-0-cycle/\">Ventura’s announcement</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Of note, this release consists of features from the Gutenberg plugin version 22.0 – 22.6. Here are the release posts of those plugin releases: <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/11/05/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-0-05-november/\">22.0</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/11/20/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-1-18-november-2025/\"> 22.1</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/03/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-2-dec3/\"> 22.2</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/17/gutenberg-22-3-december-17/\">22.3</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/01/22/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-4-20-january/\">22.4</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/02/04/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-5-04-february/\">22.5</a> | <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/02/25/whats-new-in-gutenberg-22-6-25-february/\">22.6</a>. Later Gutenberg releases contain bug fixes, backported to WordPress 7.0. release branches.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"important-links\">Important links:</h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/11/planning-for-7-0/\">Planning for 7.0</a> + <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2025/12/11/planning-for-7-0/#comment-48392\">update on Beta 1</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/7-0/\">WordPress 7.0 Development Cycle</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>What’s new for developers:</strong> <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2025/12/whats-new-for-developers-december-2025/\">December</a>, <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/01/whats-new-for-developers-january-2026/\">January</a>, <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/02/whats-new-for-developers-february-2026/\">February</a>, <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2026/03/whats-new-for-developers-march-2026/\">March</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li>7.0 Field Guide</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"assets\">Assets </h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this <a href=\"https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1s3vR7M60U7RcjKCu9Y5GHUo-SDA50jSP\">Google Drive folder</a> you can view all assets in this document.</p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"tags\">Tags</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To make this document easier to navigate based on specific audiences, the following tags are used liberally: </p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>[end user]</strong>: end user focus. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[theme builder]</strong>: block or classic theme author. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[plugin author]</strong>: plugin author, whether block or otherwise.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[developer]</strong>: catch-all term for more technical folks. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[site admin]</strong>: this includes a “builder” type. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[enterprise]</strong>: specific items that would be of interest to or particularly impact enterprise-level folks</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>[all]</strong>: broad impact to every kind of WordPress user. </li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How can you use these? Use your browser’s <strong>Find</strong> capability and search for the string including the brackets. Then use the arrows to navigate through the post from one result to the next. </p>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\">Short video on how to use the tags to navigate the post. \n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"></p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n </details>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"priority-items-for-wordpress-7-0\">Priority items for WordPress 7.0 </h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"real-time-collaboration-rtc-enterprise-site-admin\">Real-Time Collaboration (RTC) <sup>[enterprise][site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Multiple users can now work on the same page at the same time, seeing each other’s changes as they happen. No more “someone else is editing this” warnings. Whether you’re co-writing a post, reviewing a layout, or making last-minute edits before publishing, everyone stays in sync without leaving the editor. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It represents the biggest step toward achieving full collaborative editing, not only for newsrooms and big publishing houses. It also simplifies working on a site editing for agencies and their clients as well as designers and writers working together on a post. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A presence indicator in the editor header shows who’s currently editing. Under the hood, title, content, and excerpt now sync via <code>Y.text</code> for more granular conflict resolution, and numerous reliability fixes address disconnection handling, revision restores, and performance metrics. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75286\">75286</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75398\">75398</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75065\">75065</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75448\">75448</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75595\">75595</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can enable the feature via <strong>Settings > Writing</strong>. Check the box next to <strong>Enable early access to real-time collaboration</strong>, in the <strong>Collaboration</strong> section. </p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44905\" height=\"221\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Collaboration-Settings-Writing.png?resize=652%2C221&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The infrastructure implementation uses HTTP polling for universal compatibility, CRDT (Conflict-free Replicated Data Type) update data is stored persistently in post_meta on a special internal <code>wp_sync_storage</code> post type (one per “room”/document). </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The sync provider architecture is designed so that the storage and transport layer can be swapped out. Updates are batched and periodically compacted. WordPress code initially limits simultaneous collaborators to two to protect hosts. (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64622\">64622</a>). </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hosting companies have the option to add a different provider. There will be a <code>wp-config</code> constant that can be used to change the defaults. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Introduces JavaScript filters to allow third party developers to slow down or speed up polling via the RTC client. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/76518\">76518</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For more details, check out the Dev Note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/10/real-time-collaboration-in-the-block-editor/\"><strong>Real-Time Collaboration in the Block Editor</strong></a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Update:</strong> </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Since October, WordPress VIP beta participants — spanning newsrooms, research institutions, and enterprise publishers — tested the real-time collaboration against live editorial workflows, reporting back what worked, what broke, and what they couldn’t live without. Their voices didn’t just validate the feature — they shaped it.</p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Matias Ventura explains why <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/31/extending-the-7-0-cycle/\">the WordPress 7.0 cycle is being extended by a few weeks</a>: the real-time collaboration feature needs more time to nail its data architecture. After Matt Mullenweg, co-founder of WordPress, expressed a preference to revisit the proposed custom table for syncing presence and content changes, the team is refining the design before committing. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The proposal for custom table to keep a record of the changes to a post/page from each browser window, was discussed in the trac ticket (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64696\">64696</a>) </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Plugin developers relying on metaboxes will want to take note — collaborative editing is disabled when metaboxes are present, making this cycle your window to migrate.</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"></p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44945\" height=\"397\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Real-time-collaboration.png?resize=652%2C397&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"navigation-overlays-and-more-theme-builder-plugin-author-site-admin\">Navigation Overlays and more <sup>[theme builder][plugin author] [site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Navigation blocks now have customizable overlays and give user full control over mobile hamburger menus. A prominent <strong>Create overlay</strong> button in the side bar guides you through the setup, providing a selection of patterns to achieve various designs for your overlay. WordPress 7.0 comes with multiple built-in patterns including centered navigation, accent backgrounds, and black backgrounds. New blocks default to “always” showing overlays. The Navigation block sidebar section also shows a preview of the selected overlay template parts. You can also access the list of Navigation Overlays via <strong>Appearance > Editor > Patterns > Template Parts.</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>On GitHub you’ll find a list of all the <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues?q=state%3Aclosed%20label%3A%22%5BFeature%5D%20Navigation%20Overlays%22%20label%3A%22%5BType%5D%20Enhancement%22\">Navigation Overlay enhancements</a>. </li>\n\n\n\n<li>The dev note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/04/customisable-navigation-overlays-in-wordpress-7-0/\">Customizable Navigation Overlays in WordPress 7.0</a> has everything you need to know.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\"><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\" id=\"block-697b3ef0-955a-4413-82a1-bf3bb5f25f68\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-45002\" height=\"607\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Create-Overlay.png?resize=589%2C607&ssl=1\" style=\"width: 541px; height: auto;\" width=\"589\" /></figure>\n</div></div></div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To make it easier for users to create custom overlays for their mobile navigation, four new patterns are now available for the navigation overlay template parts:</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74847\">Overlay with black background</a> </li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74849\">Overlay with accent background</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74862\">Centered navigation with info</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74861\">Centered navigation</a></li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-45003\" height=\"979\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/navigation-overlay-patterns.png?resize=652%2C979&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Submenus: Always visible option</strong>: Users can now add navigation blocks to their overlays and toggle if they’d like to have the submenus always visible or not. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74653\">74653</a>)</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Page Creation in Navigation</strong>: Create pages directly from the Navigation block with helpful Snackbar notices and improved parent page search using relevance matching <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72627\">(72627</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73836\">73836</a>).</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"treating-patterns-like-a-single-block-all\">Treating patterns like a single block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Get ready for a smoother, more intuitive experience when using patterns in WordPress 7.0. It’s becoming much easier to customize your site’s design sections with a simplified editing workflow and an improved content-focused mode. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Users naturally stay in the safe lane without accidentally breaking designs. Agencies can hand off a site knowing clients can’t wreck the layout by default — they’d have to deliberately choose to go deeper.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>What’s New for Patterns:</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Quick Content Edits:</strong> When you select a pattern, instead of seeing a list of individual blocks, you’ll see a clean, expanded inspector panel. This panel exposes all the editable text and image fields directly, organized for easy access. </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Content-Only Focus:</strong> Patterns will now default to a <strong>Content-Only</strong> editing mode. This simplifies the experience by letting you quickly fill in the content without seeing all the underlying design tools.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Full Customization (If You Need It):</strong> If you <em>do</em> need to change the structure or design of a pattern, you can simply “detach” it. This gives you full access to all the individual blocks, just like before. Use the <strong>Edit Pattern</strong> button from the sidebar.</li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>A Unified Experience:</strong> This new approach makes patterns feel like single, smart design objects with easy-to-update attributes, whether you’re using a pattern, a design section, or a partially synced pattern.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Head over to the dev note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/?p=122085&preview=1&_ppp=5a7fd37ffc\">Pattern Editing in WordPress 7.0</a> for the full picture. </p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"ai-in-wordpress-enterprise-developers-site-admin\">AI in WordPress <sup>[enterprise][developers][site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 ships with a WP AI client API and a built-in Connectors screen — a centralized hub for managing all kinds of external service integrations, not just AI providers. Connect to OpenAI, Claude, or Gemini and WordPress automatically installs the right plugin and prompts you for your API key. Developers get a consistent framework to build on—enabling features like content generation, block building, and theme creation without reinventing the plumbing every time. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The new Connectors page also sports a shout-out to the <a href=\"https://wordpress.org/plugins/ai/\">AI Experiments plugin</a> if users want to see AI features, like title, excerpt, or alt-text generation, in action.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44916\" height=\"415\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Connectors-Page-WordPress-7-0.png?resize=652%2C415&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But the real value of this Connectors API is broader: any plugin that needs to connect to an outside service via API keys or other credentials can tap into this standardized connection management system. Users get one place to maintain all their integrations. And plugin developer a standardized way to tap into the plumbing.</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Read the dev note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/18/introducing-the-connectors-api-in-wordpress-7-0/\"><strong>Introducing the Connectors API in WordPress 7.0</strong></a> for all the salient details. </li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Core AI team also published a <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/ai/2026/03/25/call-for-testing-community-ai-connector-plugins/\"><strong>Call for Testing: Community AI Connector Plugins</strong></a>.</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"visual-revisions-all\">Visual Revisions<sup> [all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How revisions work for the block editor was completely reimagined. The visual Revisions screen keeps you in the editor the entire time, activating a subtle revision mode right where you work, eliminating the need to jump to a separate screen. A timeline slider in the header allows you to browse through different versions, seeing content updates in real-time.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The system highlights visual differences, showing added and removed text, formatting changes, and outlining modified blocks instead of raw code. For long documents, a mini-map along the scrollbar indicates where changes exist, letting you jump directly to them, and the sidebar remains useful with a summary of the changes for the current revision. To simplify reverting, the “Update” or “Publish” button is replaced by a “Restore” button when you are browsing the history (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/74742\">74742</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yellow marks a changed section/block, in red you’ll find deletions and green are additions compared to the early version. </p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Wes Theron</strong> has a short video on <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWN3d2KUNKk\">How to restore previous versions of a page or post in WordPress</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Anne McCarthy also gives a great walk through the screens on Youtube:</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n\n</div></figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"new-blocks\">New Blocks</h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"breadcrumbs-block-all\">Breadcrumbs Block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The new native Breadcrumbs block in WordPress 7.0 provides dynamic navigational trails for the Site Editor. It automatically generates paths from the homepage to the current page, adapting to context.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The block handles hierarchical pages (e.g., “Home / Services / Web Design / Portfolio”) and includes taxonomy for blog posts (e.g., “Home / Technology / Your Post Title”). Beyond simple pages, it correctly constructs paths for archive pages (category, tag, author, date), search results, and 404 errors. For Custom Post Types, it includes the post type archive in the trail.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"Breadcrumbs block displaying post categories WordPress 7.0\" class=\"wp-image-44940\" height=\"227\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Breadcrumbs-flore-flowers.png?resize=652%2C227&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The block offers alignment options (left, center, right, wide/full), as well as other block design options. Additional settings are available for showing the last item as text or a link and consistent homepage handling (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/72649\">72649</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44951\" height=\"898\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/gb-22-2-breadcrumb.png?resize=652%2C898&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The dev note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/04/breadcrumb-block-filters/\">Breadcrumb block filters</a> has the details. </p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"icon-block-all\">Icon Block <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The new Icon block empowers users to add decorative icons from a curated collection to their content. It utilizes a new server-side SVG Icon Registration API, ensuring icon registry updates propagate without block validation errors. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The initial release is limited as it doesn’t yet allow registering third-party icon collections. Extensibility for third-party icon registration is planned for future release in 7.1, following further development on the Icon registry API architecture. A REST endpoint at <code>/wp/v2/icons</code> supports searching and filtering. The initial set draws from the <code>wordpress/icons</code> package (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71227\">71227</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72215\">72215</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/75576\">75576</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"List of directions, illustrated with the icon block\" class=\"wp-image-44938\" height=\"192\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/icon-block.png?resize=652%2C192&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-editor-enhancements\">Block Editor enhancements</h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"custom-css-for-individual-blocks-enduser-site-admin-theme-builder\">Custom CSS for Individual Blocks <sup>[enduser][site admin] [theme builder]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Previously, applying custom CSS to a block instance required adding a custom class name and then writing a rule in the Site Editor’s global Custom CSS. This two-step process was complex for most users and inaccessible to content editors without Site Editor access.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A new custom CSS block support introduces a Custom CSS input to the <strong>Advanced</strong> panel within the block editor sidebar, conveniently placed next to the familiar “Additional CSS Class(es)” field. You only need to add the CSS declarations (no selectors!) If you do need to target nested elements, use the & symbol (for example, & a { color: red; }). This field is focused purely on styling and will reject any HTML input. The field is guarded by the <code>edit_css capability</code> to see and use this powerful new field. The editor automatically adds a has-custom-css class for styling consistency. <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73959\">#73959</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74969\">#74969</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44920\" height=\"412\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Block-level-custom-CSS.png?resize=652%2C412&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dive into the dev note <strong><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/custom-css-for-individual-block-instances-in-wordpress-7-0/\">Custom CSS for Individual Block Instances</a></strong> for the complete rundown.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"control-viewport-based-block-visibility-all\">Control viewport-based block visibility <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you’re editing a post or page, you can now choose to show or hide any block depending on the visitor’s screen size. Select a block, click <strong>Show</strong> in the toolbar, and pick which devices — desktop, tablet, or mobile — should display it. You can also hide a block from the document entirely through the same modal. </p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized wp-duotone-unset-1\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44980\" height=\"282\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/note-on-visibility.png?resize=573%2C282&ssl=1\" style=\"width: 519px; height: auto;\" width=\"573\" /></figure>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44944\" height=\"429\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Block-visiblity.png?resize=652%2C429&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the nitty-gritty, see the dev note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/block-visibility-in-wordpress-7-0/\">Block Visibility in WordPress 7.0</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Anne McCarthy walks you through the feature: </p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n\n</div></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"anchor-support-for-dynamic-blocks-developer-plugin-author\">Anchor support for dynamic blocks <sup>[developer][plugin author]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dynamic blocks now support Anchor (id attribute) functionality. The anchor reference is consistently stored within the block comment delimiter, enabling dynamic rendering on the front end. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74183\">74183</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"paste-color-values-in-the-color-picker-end-user-theme-builder-site-admin\">Paste color values in the color picker <sup>[end user][theme builder] [site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Color pickers throughout the block styles sidebar, now offer support for pasting complete color values. You can now copy/paste the brand colors from a design document or website into the color picker box and don’t have to go through the process of selecting the right color and hue<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73166\"> (73166</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"dimension-support-for-width-and-height-theme-builder-site-admin\">Dimension support for width and height <sup>[theme builder][site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 expands the Dimensions block supports system with three significant improvements: <strong>width</strong> and <strong>height</strong> are now available as standard block supports under dimensions, and themes can now define <strong>dimension size presets</strong> to give users a consistent set of size options across their site.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Dev Note <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/dimensions-support-enhancements-in-wordpress-7-0/\">Dimensions Support Enhancements in WordPress 7.0</a> has the details for block.development and theme builders.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"email-notifications-for-notes-all\">Email notifications for Notes <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Collaborators can now get notified when someone leaves a note on their content. No more checking back constantly (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73645\">73645</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"block-attributions-groups-in-the-sidebar-all\">Block Attributions Groups in the sidebar <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The block editor sidebar is being reorganized to make controls easier to find. Block settings will be grouped into four clear sections: </p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Content</strong> (text, images, captions), </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>List</strong> (reordering and nesting for blocks like Lists and Social Icons), </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Settings</strong> (block-specific options), and </li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Styles</strong> (typography, colors, spacing). </li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This means you won’t need to hunt through toolbars or scattered panels — everything will live in a predictable place in the sidebar. Connected data sources will also appear directly next to the attributes they affect, so you can see at a glance what’s linked and where. It also means that for the transition a reordering of the sidebar and controls to be in different place than before. For instance. For an image block that includes the “Alt” text setting is now to be found in the content tab rather than the settings tab. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/73845\">73845</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here’s an example of the implementation for Patterns:</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44943\" height=\"399\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Pattern-Attributes-in-Sidebar.png?resize=652%2C399&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"link-control-validation-end-user-site-admin\">Link Control validation <sup>[end user] [site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Link Control component in Gutenberg now validates the URLs, you enter helping to avoid broken links (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73486\">73486</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44950\" height=\"181\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Link-control-variation.png?resize=531%2C181&ssl=1\" width=\"531\" /></figure>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"improved-blocks-and-block-handling\">Improved Blocks and Block handling</h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"pseudo-styles-for-button-blocks-theme-builder-site-admin\">Pseudo Styles for Button Blocks <sup>[theme builder][site admin] </sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Theme designers and developers can now style button states (hover, focus, active, and focus visible) directly within the theme.json, making it much easier to keep all design controls centralized and consistent. This reduces the reliance on custom CSS for things like button hover states (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71418\">71418</a>). </p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>JSON</span><span class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\" style=\"color: #575279; display: none;\" tabindex=\"0\"><pre class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button-pre\"><textarea class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button-textarea\" readonly=\"readonly\" tabindex=\"-1\">{\n \"styles\": {\n \"blocks\":{\n \"core/button\":{\n \"color\":{\n \"background\":\"blue\"\n },\n \":hover\":{\n \"color\":{\n \"background\":\"green\"\n }\n },\n \":focus\":{\n \"color\":{\n \"background\":\"purple\"\n }\n }\n }\n }\n }\n}\n</textarea></pre><svg fill=\"none\" stroke=\"currentColor\" stroke-width=\"2\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path class=\"with-check\" d=\"M9 5H7a2 2 0 00-2 2v12a2 2 0 002 2h10a2 2 0 002-2V7a2 2 0 00-2-2h-2M9 5a2 2 0 002 2h2a2 2 0 002-2M9 5a2 2 0 012-2h2a2 2 0 012 2m-6 9l2 2 4-4\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path><path class=\"without-check\" d=\"M9 5H7a2 2 0 00-2 2v12a2 2 0 002 2h10a2 2 0 002-2V7a2 2 0 00-2-2h-2M9 5a2 2 0 002 2h2a2 2 0 002-2M9 5a2 2 0 012-2h2a2 2 0 012 2\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path></svg></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" style=\"background-color: #faf4ed;\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">styles</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">blocks</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">core/button</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">color</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">background</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #EA9D34;\">"blue"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">:hover</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">color</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">background</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #EA9D34;\">"green"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">:focus</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">color</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">background</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #EA9D34;\">"purple"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More details are available in the Dev Note: <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/09/pseudo-element-support-for-blocks-and-their-variations-in-theme-json/\">Pseudo-element support for blocks and their variations in theme.json</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"extra-divs-removed-from-blocks-in-the-editor-theme-builder-developer-site-admin\">Extra divs removed from blocks in the editor <sup>[theme builder][developer][site admin] </sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 introduced a new <code>HtmlRenderer</code> component, which renders HTML content as React elements with optional wrapper props. For theme authors, this means that several blocks will no longer have an extra wrapping <code><div></code> in the editor, allowing for consistent styling with the front end (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74228\">74228</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Blocks that have been fixed are:</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74255\">Archives</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74271\">Calendar</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74277\">Latest Comments</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74272\">RSS</a></li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74228\">Tag Cloud</a></li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"universal-text-alignment-all\">Universal Text Alignment <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nearly all text blocks now support the standardized text-align block support system, including Paragraph, Button, Comment blocks, Heading, and Verse. Plus, text justify alignment is now available. See <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/60763\">tracking issue</a> to follow along on the progress (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/60763\">60763</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"cover-block-video-embeds-site-admin-end-user\">Cover Block Video Embeds <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the Cover block this release comes with the ability to use embedded videos (like YouTube or Vimeo) as background videos in the Cover block, rather than being restricted to locally uploaded files. Offloading video to 3rd-party services helps reduce hosting and bandwidth costs. Also, the focal pointer is now available for fixed background. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73023\">#73023</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74600\">#74600</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44953\" height=\"416\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/gb-22-2-embed-1.png?resize=652%2C416&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"gallery-block\">Gallery Block </h3>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"lightbox-navigation-site-admin-end-user\">Lightbox navigation <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Gallery block’s “Enlarge on click” lightbox now lets you navigate between images. When you click a gallery image, back/next buttons appear so you can browse through the rest of the gallery without closing the lightbox. Keyboard navigation (arrow keys) and screen reader announcements are fully supported. It also works with swiping on mobile, however the swiping isn’t yet visual/animated. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/62906\">62906</a>) and lightbox items still miss captions.</p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"content-tab-in-sidebar-site-admin-end-user\">Content Tab in sidebar <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For fast access to Alt text box the sidebar of the Gallery block shows a new content tab in the sidebar. </p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44958\" height=\"340\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Gallery-content-sidebar-edited.png?resize=652%2C340&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"responsive-grid-block-site-admin-end-user-theme-builder\">Responsive Grid Block <sup>[site admin][end user][theme builder]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Grid block is now responsive even when you set a column count. Previously, you had to choose between setting a minimum column width (responsive, Auto mode) or a fixed column count (Manual mode)—a binary toggle that confused many users. Now you can set both: when you do, the column count becomes a <em>maximum</em>, and the grid scales down responsively based on your minimum column width. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can set neither, either, or both—the block handles all combinations gracefully. The confusing Auto/Manual toggle is gone entirely, replaced by clearer “minimum width” and “columns” labels with a plain-language description explaining the relationship between the two controls.. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73662\">73662</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"heading-block-variations-site-admin-end-user\">Heading block variations <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Each heading level (H1-H6) is now registered as a block variation on the Heading block. These do not appear in the inserter, but the change does add icons to the block’s sidebar for transforming it between variations (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73823\">73823</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44963\" height=\"334\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Heading-handling.png?resize=652%2C334&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"html-block-enhancement-site-admin-themebuilder-end-user\">HTML Block Enhancement <sup>[site admin] [themebuilder] [end user]</sup> </h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The HTML block was redesigned to work now as a modal-based editor featuring separate tabs for HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Admin can now use it for more powerful customizations, when HTML JS and CSS work on a single block. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73108\">73108</a>). </p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"image-block-inline-editing-and-controls-site-admin-end-user\">Image block inline editing and controls <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 comes with a revamp of the image editing feature in the editor. It’s now easier to crop, rotate or zoom in on a particular image corner. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72414\">#72414</a>) (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73277\">#73277</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"advanced-image-controlsimage-block-now-supports-the-focal-point-control-and-aspect-ratio-adjustments-for-wide-and-full-alignments-plus-reorganized-inspector-controls-with-a-dedicated-content-tab-73115-74519-74201\">Advanced Image Controls <sup>[site admin][end user]</sup></h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" id=\"advanced-image-controlsimage-block-now-supports-the-focal-point-control-and-aspect-ratio-adjustments-for-wide-and-full-alignments-plus-reorganized-inspector-controls-with-a-dedicated-content-tab-73115-74519-74201\">Image block now supports the focal point control and aspect ratio adjustments for wide and full alignments, plus reorganized inspector controls with a dedicated content tab. <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73115\">#73115</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74519\">#74519</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74201\">#74201</a></p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n \n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"math-block-improvements-end-users-site-admin\">Math Block Improvements <sup>[end users][site admin]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LaTeX input now uses a monospaced font, and style options are available for better mathematical expression editing (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/72557\">72557</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73544\">73544</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44972\" height=\"425\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Mathblock-updates-wp70.png?resize=652%2C425&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"paragraph-all\">Paragraph <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A new typography tool has been added for specifying the line indent of paragraph blocks (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73114\">73114</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74889\">74889</a>). Users and theme creators can specify line indentation rules for a single paragraph block and also at global styles / theme.json level for all paragraph blocks. For global styles and theme.json, it’s possible to choose whether all paragraphs or only subsequent paragraphs are indented, which accounts for different indentation standards around the world.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The dev note on <strong><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/15/new-block-support-text-indent-textindent/\">the new <code>textIndent</code> block support</a> </strong>has all the details for developers working on blocks or themes.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44985\" height=\"525\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/TextIndent-standard.png?resize=652%2C525&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The example code sets a default indent value of 1.5em globally for paragraphs:</p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-kevinbatdorf-code-block-pro cbp-has-line-numbers\"><span>JSON</span><span class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button\" style=\"color: #575279; display: none;\" tabindex=\"0\"><pre class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button-pre\"><textarea class=\"code-block-pro-copy-button-textarea\" readonly=\"readonly\" tabindex=\"-1\">{\n \"settings\": {\n \"typography\": {\n \"textIndent\": \"true\"\n }\n },\n \"styles\": {\n \"blocks\": {\n \"core/paragraph\": {\n \"typography\": {\n \"textIndent\": \"1.5em\"\n }\n }\n }\n }\n}\n</textarea></pre><svg fill=\"none\" stroke=\"currentColor\" stroke-width=\"2\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\"><path class=\"with-check\" d=\"M9 5H7a2 2 0 00-2 2v12a2 2 0 002 2h10a2 2 0 002-2V7a2 2 0 00-2-2h-2M9 5a2 2 0 002 2h2a2 2 0 002-2M9 5a2 2 0 012-2h2a2 2 0 012 2m-6 9l2 2 4-4\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path><path class=\"without-check\" d=\"M9 5H7a2 2 0 00-2 2v12a2 2 0 002 2h10a2 2 0 002-2V7a2 2 0 00-2-2h-2M9 5a2 2 0 002 2h2a2 2 0 002-2M9 5a2 2 0 012-2h2a2 2 0 012 2\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path></svg></span><pre class=\"shiki rose-pine-dawn\" style=\"background-color: #faf4ed;\" tabindex=\"0\"><code><span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">settings</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">typography</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">textIndent</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #EA9D34;\">"true"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">},</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">styles</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">blocks</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">core/paragraph</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">typography</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">{</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #56949F;\">textIndent</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">"</span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">:</span><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #EA9D34;\">"1.5em"</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #575279;\"> </span><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"><span style=\"color: #797593;\">}</span></span>\n<span class=\"line\"></span></code></pre></div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More details can be learned in the Dev Note: <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/?p=121744&preview=1&_ppp=b05f93cb55\">New Block Support: Text Indent (textIndent) </a></p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"columns-in-paragraph-blocks-all\">Columns in Paragraph blocks <sup>[all]</sup></h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now that there is block support for typographical columns, the paragraph block can now handle text columns by default (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74656\">74656</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On the front-end only, the Paragraph block now has a <code>.wp-block-paragraph</code> class. This change doesn’t affect global styles, which still use the <code>p</code> selector.(<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/71207\">71207</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"query-loop-enhancements-all\">Query Loop Enhancements <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Query loops now support excluding terms. When the block is locked it now hides design change and choose pattern options. <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73790\">#73790</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74160\">#74160</a></p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44986\" height=\"527\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Exclude-Terms-Query-block.png?resize=652%2C527&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"verse-block-renamed-to-poetry-all\">Verse Block, renamed to Poetry <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Verse Block has been renamed to Poetry block (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/74722\">74722</a>) Also it now utilizes <code>border-box</code> for its <code>box-sizing</code>, which guards against overflow issues and should make it easier to style without additional custom CSS.</p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"admin-workflow-updates\">Admin / Workflow updates </h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"manage-fonts-for-all-themes-in-a-dedicated-page-site-admin-theme-builder-enterprise\">Manage fonts for all themes in a dedicated page <sup>[site admin][theme builder] [enterprise]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A dedicated Fonts page is now available under the Appearance menu for all themes. Until now, font management has lived deep inside Global Styles, requiring navigation through several panels to install or preview a font. This new standalone page lets block theme users browse, install, and manage their typography collection in one dedicated space. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Under the hood, this page is built on a new routing infrastructure for the Site Editor, designed to improve navigation and support new top-level pages in wp-admin. View transitions are now wired into this routing layer, providing early zoom/slide animations when navigating between pages (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73630\">73630</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73876\">73876</a>, <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73586\">73586</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Font Library and Global Styles also work with classic themes (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73971\">#73971</a>,<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73876\"> #73876</a>). Like the Media Library, you can access the Font Library as a modal or through a dedicated admin section—regardless of your theme type.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img alt=\"\" src=\"blob:https://gutenbergtimes.com/e8865866-45a0-4807-94ac-02a8257ce1dd\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"command-palette-in-adminbar-all\">Command Palette in Adminbar <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Instantly access all the tools you need with a single click using the <strong>new Command Palette shortcut in the Omnibar</strong>! In 7.0 Beta 5, logged-in editors will see a field with a ⌘K or Ctrl+K symbol in the upper admin bar that unfurls the command palette when clicked. The new command palette entry point streamlines navigation and customization, giving you full control from anywhere on your site – whether you’re editing, designing or just browsing plugins.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"view-transitions-all\">View Transitions <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">View transitions have been integrated into the WordPress admin in 7.0, enabling smooth transitions between screens. The implementation for the front end is slated for the next WordPress 7.1 (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64470\">64470</a>) The result is a smoother page-to-page transitions using the CSS <a href=\"https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/View_Transition_API\">View Transitions API </a>— no markup or JavaScript changes required, just a progressive enhancement you’ll notice immediately when navigating between admin screens.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"improved-screens-across-wp-admin-all\">Improved screens across WP-Admin <sup>[all]</sup></h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 is getting a CSS-only “coat-of-paint” visual reskin of the wp-admin, bringing the classic admin screens closer to the visual language of the block and site editors — no markup changes, no JavaScript, no functional changes, and all existing CSS class names and admin color schemes preserved. (<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64308\">64308</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>New default color scheme: “Modern” replaces “Fresh” as the default admin color scheme (#<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64546\">64546</a>)</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Updated buttons and input fields: primary, secondary, and link buttons, plus text inputs, selects, checkboxes, and radio buttons, now align with the WordPress Design System (#<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64547\">64547</a>)</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Updated notices: info, warning, success, and error notices refreshed for clarity and consistency (#<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64548\">64548</a>), including on the login screen</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Updated cards and metaboxes: dashboard widgets and metaboxes get modernized styling (#<a href=\"https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/64549\">64549</a>)</li>\n\n\n\n<li>New <code>wp-base-styles</code> stylesheet handle: consolidates admin color scheme CSS custom properties into a single reusable stylesheet, available across the admin and the block editor content iframe</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Login and registration screens: the WordPress logo updated from blue to gray to match the new design, and scheme styles now apply to login, install, database repair, and upgrade screens</li>\n</ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44993\" height=\"459\" src=\"https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Admin-new-coat-of-paint.png?resize=652%2C459&ssl=1\" width=\"652\" /></figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"developer-goodies-developer-enterprise\">Developer Goodies <sup>[developer][enterprise]</sup></h2>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"client-side-abilities-api\">Client-side Abilities API </h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 ships a JavaScript counterpart to the server-side Abilities API introduced in 6.9. The <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/24/client-side-abilities-api-in-wordpress-7-0/\">Client-Side Abilities API</a> arrives as two packages: <code>@wordpress/abilities</code> for pure state management usable in any project, and <code>@wordpress/core-abilities</code>, which auto-fetches server-registered abilities via the REST API. You can now register browser-only abilities — navigation, block insertion, and more — opening the door to browser agents, extensions, and WebMCP integrations directly in the client. </p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"wp-ai-client\">WP AI Client</h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress 7.0 ships a built-in <strong><a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/24/introducing-the-ai-client-in-wordpress-7-0/\">AI Client</a>,</strong> that gives your plugin a single, provider-agnostic PHP entry point — <code>wp_ai_client_prompt()</code> — for text, image, speech, and video generation. You describe what you need; WordPress routes it to whichever AI provider the site owner has configured via Settings > Connectors. Official provider plugins cover Anthropic, Google, and OpenAI. No credential handling, no provider lock-in, and graceful feature detection before any UI is shown.</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"php-only-block-registration\">PHP-only block registration</h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Developers can now create simple blocks using only PHP. This is meant for blocks that only need server-side rendering and aren’t meant to be highly interactive. When possible this feature also auto-generates sidebars for user input for suitable attributes and design tools. </p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To do so, call <code>register_block_type</code> with the new <code>autoRegister</code> flag. A <code>render_callback</code> function must also be provided. (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/71792\">71792</a>)</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dev note with all the details. <a href=\"https://make.wordpress.org/core/2026/03/03/php-only-block-registration/\">PHP-only block registration</a></p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"pattern-overrides-for-custom-blocks\">Pattern Overrides for custom blocks</h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Since WordPress 6.5, <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/news/2024/06/an-introduction-to-overrides-in-synced-patterns/\">Pattern Overrides</a> let you create synced patterns where the layout stays consistent but specific content can change per instance. The catch? Only four core blocks supported it: Heading, Paragraph, Button, and Image.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Not anymore. Any block attribute that supports Block Bindings now supports Pattern Overrides by default. Block authors can opt in through the server-side <a href=\"https://developer.wordpress.org/block-editor/reference-guides/block-api/block-bindings/#extending-supported-attributes\"><code>block_bindings_supported_attributes</code></a> filter. This closes <a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/64870\">a long-requested enhancement</a> and opens up synced patterns to custom blocks (<a href=\"https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/73889\">73889</a>).</p>\n\n\n\n <figure class=\"wp-block-jetpack-videopress jetpack-videopress-player\">\n <div class=\"jetpack-videopress-player__wrapper\"> </div>\n \n \n </figure>\n \n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"dataviews-data-form-components-and-fields-api\">DataViews, Data Form components and Fields API </h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A substantial API update introduces new layouts, validation rules, grouping options, and picker improvements affecting plugins using <code>wordpress/dataviews</code>. 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My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case managed WordPress hosting and AI hosting innovation.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you’d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you have a topic that you’d like us to feature on the podcast, I’m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox, and use the form there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So on the podcast today, we have Malcolm Peralty. Malcolm has been immersed in the WordPress ecosystem for 20 years, starting out as a full-time blogger and working his way through tech roles in project management, agencies, and even a stint in the Drupal space. These days, Malcolm is bringing his experience back to WordPress, serving as a technical account manager at Pressable, a managed WordPress hosting company.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Malcolm shares how he found his way from early forays with WordPress to managing large scale hosting environments. He talks about the lure of the Drupal world, and why he’s ultimately returned to WordPress and Pressable.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We discuss what technical account management means at Pressable, how his role differs from sales and support, focusing instead on long-term strategy for clients, performance optimization, and bridging the gap between customer needs and the underlying WP Cloud infrastructure. We hear how Pressable proactively helps clients, sometimes even advising them to downgrade their plan if optimizations mean they need fewer resources.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We go behind the scenes in Pressable, getting into how hardware considerations, plugin bloat, WooCommerce or LMS sites, and customer handholding, all come together inside one company. Malcolm gives us a candid look at performance challenges, the way hosts interact with infrastructure teams, and why education around WordPress performance is so tough, even as competing platforms prioritise speed at all costs.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We also look into the future. What are the cutting edge trends in hosting? Like database replication, virtual clusters, and especially the rise of AI within the hosting experience. 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Hello, Malcolm.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:55] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Hi there. How you doing today?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:56] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Very nice to have you with us on the podcast today. Malcolm’s got a really interesting story. He’s done a lot, a lot of it kind of maps to things that I’ve done in my life. But it’s a tech podcast, generally we talk about WordPress, but I think we’re going to talk about hosting, AI, and possibly other CMSs.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But before we do, a moment for you, Malcolm, just to introduce yourself and give us your potted bio, I guess centering around your relationship with technology, WordPress, CMSs, that kind of thing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:22] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah. So first off, I like to always say that I’m Canadian. I think that actually kind of gives us some insight into a little bit about how I think. And I live just outside of Toronto, Ontario, Canada right now, and I’ve been in the WordPress, around the WordPress space for going on 20 years.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I started with WordPress 0.72, so before the 1.0 release. And I was a full-time blogger, talking about WordPress for several years, and kind of stumbled into using some of my tech skills to work in and around technology with WordPress, and then project management. And because of project management, I’ve been able to work with agencies that build like smartphone apps and other CMS systems, and custom CMSs for customers. But I’ve always kind of kept a toe in the WordPress world as much as possible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:05:11] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, and you firmly landed back in the WordPress world working for Pressable, which we’ll talk about in a moment. But you had a bit of a foray in the Drupal, Acquia world, I think. The word Acquia may not mean a great deal to people listening to this podcast, but it’s kind of the equivalent, I suppose the best mapping would be Automattic over on the Drupal side. What was your experience with Drupal? How come you’re not still fully on the Drupal side of things?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:05:35] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah, so that was kind of a strange one for me. I didn’t expect to have a position in the Drupal world. I had done some like Drupal project management before, a lot of like moving Drupal sites to WordPress or like revising a Drupal site, or adding a smartphone app to a Drupal site. But that was mostly, again, as like a project manager or a site builder, not as like someone who really understood the engineering behind Drupal.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But a long time friend of mine reached out and said, hey, would you ever be interested in a job at Acquia working at the Drupal mothership, so to speak? And the position was a technical account manager, which thankfully leans more on my skills as a project manager and someone who understands web hosting than someone who understands Drupal. So I was able to use the combination of 20 years of skills in the space to actually make a good go at it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I think one of the big reasons why I was so enticed and interested by the position is, honestly, Drupal jobs pay better than WordPress jobs. And it’s horrible and sad to say, but I think it was a really important factor in my determination on where my career was moving. If it wasn’t for the fact that Pressable came along when it did, and basically offered me a similar kind of pay scale, I’d probably still be in the Drupal space and who knows for how long.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:06:55] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, that’s really interesting. I was a big Drupal user for many years but just found it was, there was a lot of things that I didn’t need that Drupal did, that WordPress could do. And so I firmly moved ship away from Drupal. Well, I think it was when Drupal finally went to version eight, so many, many years ago. Something like 2015 or something like that. And I certainly haven’t looked back.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So Pressable, you may need to go and Google that if you’re listening to this podcast. You may have heard that name before, but it is a hosting company, I guess managed hosting, dedicated hosting for WordPress websites. My understanding is they don’t do anything else. 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I’m imagining a room, a laboratory, sort of white walls and everything, with a bunch of people wearing white overalls with pens neatly lined up in their top pocket, and obsessing about these acronyms. Well, this isn’t an acronym, but you mentioned workers.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But you’ve got things like Redis, you’ve got things like edge caching and all of this kind of stuff. And honestly, to me, a lot of that is a bit of a puzzle. And I don’t know how you educate the public about those things other than just saying, just don’t worry about it. We’re here for you. We’ll deal with that complexity.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But also, I’m curious to know what kind of innovations are there still to be done? Now obviously we’re sort of crystal ball gazing a little bit here, but I am curious about where is the bleeding edge of server technology and hosting technology? What are the things which are just a little bit over the horizon, but are of interest, which may drop in the next year, two years, three years, something like that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:19:34] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah, I would say we’re seeing a lot of web assembly type efforts, which is kind of interesting, which is, yeah, I don’t know if anyone’s ever seen, there’s a WordPress Playground site where you can have like WordPress basically running in a browser. You don’t have to install it anywhere. It just exists in your browser as like this ephemeral install of WordPress that you can play with and do stuff with, and then export to a real install of WordPress if you’re interested.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think that is a super impactful and interesting technology, and we’ll see probably more of that in the next little while, and how hosts can kind of play into that. I think that we’ll also see better caching technology, better database technology, but also I think better replication technology. So everyone knows that a lot of WordPress kind of exists within the database, and so if you want to have high availability, you need to be able to have that database exist in multiple places. But if you’re doing transactions on your like primary database for like e-commerce, you’re like buying products and you have, Malcolm bought a t-shirt from my website, he wants this size and he wants it shipped here, we need to now replicate that to any other like high availability databases that we have. That replication right now is very old technology in a lot of ways, and it’s not as optimised as we would like it to be. So there’s a latency that exists there in replicating that to other places.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Acquia and some of the other companies I worked for, that latency could be really high or really low depending on how it was configured, right? How long do we kind of keep that data there before we send it over?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We try to do as much real-time streaming at Pressable as possible to make it so like, you know, within like two seconds, the data is now in that replication. And so if your primary goes down, you’ve lost maybe a second or two seconds of data. On some websites, even that can be really bad, right? Because if you, let’s say you’re doing a big product drop and you have 10,000 people wanting to buy tickets to your concert, and you lose two seconds of data, that could be hundreds of transactions that just evaporate into the ether. So better ways of syncing that data across, and managing that relationship between multiple servers I think is going to be a big transition that we see in the marketplace.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We’re already seeing the idea of virtual clusters. So multiple data centres pretending to be like one local server. So then we don’t have that same feel of migrating or syncing data between locations, it just pretends it’s all kind of in the same place. So I think that will be kind of interesting to see because again, that adds more resiliency. And I think, everyone that I’ve ever talked to, if you say like, how long are you okay with your website being down? Even if it’s not a moneymaking website, you’ll hear them say something like, I don’t know, maybe an hour at most, right? So finding ways to make websites more resilient is going to be important.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then I think just a better understanding just from top to bottom on what’s happening with a website, right? So we have a lot of logging, but it’s not necessarily the best at auditing. So, for example, if Nathan came on my website and got access to it and deleted a plugin, I might not have the best tools right now to be able to say, oh, it was this IP address at this time, he logged into this user, he did this action, and have that complete picture to be able to kind of quickly and easily reverse.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We kind of depend on backups right now a lot of the time, and I hate that. Or we depend on like trying to fish through logs and make those connections using our human brains. All of that is just a really poor solution and I think AI will hopefully help with some of that, and I’m looking forward to having more of this like very specific picture of every action that has on a website without, again, adding a whole bunch of load to the server environment or a whole bunch of data storage requirements that makes it really impossible for organisations to kind of have all this information, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because if I start auditing every action that I’m taking on a website that I have access to, and you think of Pressable having multiple thousands of websites, hosting platforms, you can imagine the amount of data we’d then need to record, right? So data compression becomes super important, or the ability to kind of infer things based on data that we’re seeing becomes important. The amount of work that I do in like looking through logs would make your eyes kind of pop out of your head. It’s brutal sometimes. And logs have never been very user friendly.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So again, another area that AI has been helping us with is like, okay, pull out the things that are potentially the most impactful, the most interesting, the things that stand out over like a statistics, probability kind of system.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:23:48] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I think what’s really curious about everything that you’ve just said is, so there’s this kind of impression for people who are just casual users of WordPress that you go to a hosting company, it’s a bunch of files and it’s a database, how hard can it be?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then you’ve just given us a bit of a window into, well, this is how hard it can be, because there’s so many scenarios. And the typical mom and pop store where, like you said, an hour’s downtime might not be the end of the world, and most of the things can be cash and all that kind of thing. Well, that stands in real contrast to the, I don’t know, the gigantic megacorp .com company that’s doing 8,000 transactions every couple of minutes and there’s millions of dollars going through. And there’s just a whole other layer of things going on there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And so you see the word Pressable and you think, hosting company, pretty straightforward. And I think it’s really interesting that you get an opportunity to come on and say, well, actually, no, there’s this other layer. There’s all this stuff going on in the background. There’s all of this technology. We’re thinking about the future. You know, we’ve got different geographical locations where things are housed, and we’re trying to speed that up so that there are all these different clusters. It sounds complicated, essentially. I’ll boil it down to that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So I am a Pressable customer and when I go into the Pressable admin, I sort of log in and, you know, I’m presented with the usual array of different options. I would say that there’s more than probably somebody like me is requiring, but there it is anyway. You know, there’s lots of different options for tweaking this, that, and the other thing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What I’m trying to sort of draw an analogy to is that it can be a little bit overwhelming if your day job isn’t to deal with a website. You log in and, what is this? What does this menu even exist? There’s probably ways of Googling it and finding it out. But I know that in the near future, Pressable is going to be launching sort of like an AI component to the hosting side of things. An MCP, you’ve described it as Pressable’s MCP. And then in parentheses, get AI to do things related to your hosting, whether that’s WooCommerce or WordPress or performance optimisation or whatever it would be.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So this is interesting. And I’m just curious as to how deep are you going to allow the AI to go? We all know that the AI, any AI can hallucinate. So I’m curious as to know what kind of things are you unleashing for the AI? Is it just a case of, okay, I would like the light theme now, please? Or does it penetrate much deeper than that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:26:10] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> So it’ll be in phases over the next little while, we’ll unveil these features and what connections that we have. But eventually the expectation is, anything that you could do or click on as a user in the control panel, an AI could also act on and do as well. So a great example that we’ve been giving our agency partners is if you, let’s say, are working on code for a customer’s website, you could say to the AI built into your Visual Studio Code or your GitHub or whatever, hey, spin up another sandbox site, push this code, update the database, pull from production, all the files, and let me know when this is complete.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And the MCP will go and it will spin up a new sandbox site, a new WordPress install, with a new domain name attached to it. It will grab your code and push it up to that website. It’ll go to production and grab the files from the wp-content uploads folder, and sync it over to this new staging site or sandbox site that you’ve asked for. And then it’ll say, hey, by the way, it’s now ready for testing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And you’ve done this all with natural language as a command behind the scenes. Or, let’s say you’re running a thousand sites, tell me all the websites that need like a Gravity Forms plugin update. And it will go and it’ll check all of your websites in the Pressable platform and give you a list of like, hey, here are the ones with Gravity Forms updates. And you could say, okay, update them for me please. And it’ll go back and it’ll do that job.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:27:24] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So I guess the goal is to make it straightforward to use natural language to do a variety of tasks. Now obviously there’s got to be some serious guardrails around this because, you know, it would be very easy to inadvertently type, delete all of my, that’s a bad example but you get point. You know, what are the contraints?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:27:43] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah, please don’t use dangerously skip permissions, for example. So a lot of the AI tools that already exist have some human in the loop questioning. Are you sure you want me to do this? Are you sure you want me to do this kind of thing? And kind of seek their approval. We’re also talking about what, if anything, we’re really going to do on our side about that? We have pretty solid backup solutions put in place. So maybe if you, you know, accidentally said, clear out all of my platform, and it deleted all of your websites, you could then hopefully say, can you actually restore from backups all of those sites and have it restore from backups all of those sites.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, you know, we keep hourly backups of database, daily of the WordPress file system, so there is that. Also our main WordPress install is simlinked, which means that you can’t actually change any of the core files. So even if you told it to delete WordPress, it can’t actually do that piece of it. So your WordPress install would still exist, but all your plugins and uploads and database would all be gone. But you could just restore them again using natural language.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So there are some guide rails that we can put in, but at the end of the day like, you’ll be able to connect whatever AI tool you’re using. Maybe you have Ollama with a local AI tool on your computer. Maybe you’re using Claude or Codex or something else. You’ll be able to use any of those AI tools. And so some of it is really on the person using it to put in some of those guardrails and those human and loop things. And I would recommend having a like system prompt that basically says like, before you do anything destructive, check with me first. Not that it won’t automatically do some of that, but it’s just good to have a secondary layer.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:29:13] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> And how are you exposing these capabilities to, let’s say Claude or whatever it may be? So what does that interaction look like? How is it that certain capabilities are available, but others are maybe not, and so on.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:29:25] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah, I mean I like to think of an MCP kind of like USB/API for AI. So we’re basically just making those kind of endpoints available to the MCP, or making like those API endpoints available to AI, so that it can undertake things on your behalf. So like our whole control panel is basically APIs all the way down, so to speak. So it’s not very hard to kind of hook those things up.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think the harder part is making sure that the AI understands what these controls, what these APIs do, what they expect to receive, what they expect to give back, and what that all means. And once all of those kind of definitions are in place, then it’s pretty easy.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:30:05] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I think one of the curious things for me is being inside, let’s say the Pressable UI where I’m navigating with a mouse and I’m clicking on things, everything is very intentional. You know, I go to a thing, and I do a thing, and I get a prompt to say, are you sure you want to do this thing? And I say, yes. And so it goes. And so every single thing that I do requires an interaction with me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I suppose, with an AI, you could concatenate a variety of things. Maybe the AI has some sort of misunderstanding along the way, or you type things in such a way that it’s not entirely clear. And then kind of unpicking, okay, what just happened? It’s really easy to unpick that in the UI because you can say to the support rep, well, I did this, and then the site died. Okay, we know what happened there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whereas with this cascade of things, which is done with natural language, presumably this is where your logging, that you described earlier, comes in. There isn’t really a question there, but I’m curious as to what that process is. The capacity for many dominoes to fall from just one simple prompt, I suppose as a point of concern for you guys, because you are going to have to be unpicking all of this on the backend when things, which they inevitably will, go wrong.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:31:16] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> For sure. And I mean this is one of those areas though where we’re ahead of the curve. I think a lot of companies will be adding these kinds of things. But from an AI perspective, I mean, since October or November of last year, we’ve seen the skills and abilities and understanding of the top tier AI tools just jump exponentially. So the number of mistakes or concerns that we have have gone down in that same vein.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Our support team has also been trained up in a lot of these. And we’ve been testing a lot of these MCP pieces for a long time now. So we feel pretty confident that those that enable this and that have a good understanding of what this means and how to use it won’t make too many mistakes or have too many concerns or issues.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You know, again, we’re targeting a lot of our agency partners that are developers that already kind of live and breathe this stuff. So they’re also used to being able to untangle and knot if they tie themselves in one. So I don’t expect someone with their like first WordPress website on Pressable to enable MCP and start using it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I really think this is most valuable to agencies or companies at scale. You know, if you’re running one website, you probably don’t need this, but if you’re running like 10, 100, 1,000 websites, then this tooling becomes very helpful. Because you can have like a, maybe do it on one site and now then replicate that same thing you just did across all of the sites I manage.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:32:33] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I don’t really know how to phrase this question, but I’ll give this a go. At the moment, presumably you have a fairly solid relationship with your customers. You know, if something goes wrong, you log in, you enable the chat widget, you have that conversation. There’s this backwards and forwards, okay, great. And maybe there’s lots of clients that you get that you never have that interaction with.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But I’m just curious how that relationship over time might change with the advent of AI. And what I mean by that is, it’s almost like you’re not talking to humans anymore. And because of that, you start to have a different impression of the company that you are dealing with. Okay, it’s just some sort of AI entity, I don’t need to worry about it so much. Maybe loyalty starts to come into question because there’s no humans there anyway.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So again, it’s very hard to encapsulate what I’m saying, but presumably from a marketing point of view, there has to be some moment at which you say, okay, there’s too much AI now. We’re no longer a bunch of humans presenting ourselves to the world. We just look like a bunch of robots. Do you know what I’m saying there? Does any of that land?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:33:34] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> It does. I will say, we have those conversations internally. The expectation is always going to be like, when we add a new feature, it’s going to be added for humans first and then added to our AI tooling. But the only way that you can compete in the modern marketplace is to take advantage of some of the tools and opportunities we’ve been given with AI. As difficult as it is, there’s probably a business case, you know, I’m sure there will be businesses that will target people saying like, we don’t use AI for support, we don’t have AI integrations, we’re a completely human business. But I think the difficulty will be like scaling and competing in the modern marketplace.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And like a lot of the agencies we’re talking to are expecting this. They’re pushing us towards this because they’re looking to reduce their time to delivery, right? They want to be able to sit in a coffee shop with a customer, get a brief of the business, give that brief to, you know, an AI tool that transcribes their voice to words, and then have it go through this whole system of setting up a hosting sandbox for the website, set up WordPress, select a theme that matches their expectations, set up the brand colours, and almost have like a proof of concept at the end of a meal with a customer, that was assisted by AI.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And if they can’t do that first step of setting up a sandbox or a staging site for the customer, then we’re not part of that conversation at all. They’re going to go where there is that feature and that functionality, and Pressable won’t be part of that conversation at all.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And as end users, I mean, having AI assist with the things that agencies or higher touchpoint customers need, gives us that flexibility now to be available for the $25 a month customers who actually need the handholding and support from a human that we just couldn’t do otherwise, right? It just doesn’t scale properly at that price point.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So I think this could be advantageous to both sides if it’s used right and done right. But I definitely agree, there’s landmines that we have to kind of be cautious of and avoid, and we have to be very careful about how we apply this. And I think the key thing is always making sure that everything that we do is human first, and then AI enhanced, rather than AI first and human supplemented. It’s just a hard line to walk.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:35:37] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> It’s so interesting that conversation you’ve just described in the cafe where, by the end of the cup of coffee, you’ve got yourself a website based upon a conversation you were having moments before. The collapse of the timeline there. You know, we used to think that this five minute install was a big thing. Now it’s like the five minute website that’s fully ready to go, you know, or at least some simulation of a website. May not be the finished one but, you know, you’ve got a staging site ready, with a theme that’s adjacent to what you want to do, with some content that might replicate what you want to do. And it all took place in less time than it took you to finish a single coffee. And that’s so interesting. And you have to armour yourself against that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That raises another question of course, which is how far you, your tentacles go into the website itself. Because traditionally hosting companies really didn’t concern themselves with the website, apart from the fact that the website was available and, you know, we can see what your plugins are and yada, yada. But it does sound like we’re straying into theming, and possible content creation and things like that. So I don’t know if that falls into the roadmap a bit as well.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So maybe there’s a future where you can, with the AI sort of say, I’d like to swap out my theme. It’s Christmas time, give me a Christmas theme. But we’re doing that in the hosting environment. We’re not necessarily having to log into the website. Again, do you sort of see where I’m going with that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:37:03] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Yeah, and I foresee for sure, but the integrations with AI that WordPress 7.0 already has, and the discussions for 7.1 make me believe that Pressable’s MCP will be able to talk to WordPress’s AI integration and do that from end to end. So, I mean we could already do it with the MCP, like adjusting database values and stuff like that, but that’s not what I would consider an ideal way of doing this.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But like I said, with the changes that are happening in WordPress Core, I definitely foresee like a complete end-to-end solution. You know, one AI talking to another, who then carries that task forward, reports back to the Pressable MCP and lets us know that theme change is done, those plugin updates are done, the content change is done. And again, all from that initial prompt, you know, maybe in your Visual Studio Code, which is just crazy to me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:37:45] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I am so used to basically not going back to the hosting until there’s a problem. You know, I go to the login URL for the website in question, I log in, I move around the WordPress UI, create a post, publish a post, schedule something, whatever, upload some assets. You get the idea.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And the idea of that not being the modus operandi for everybody will be so interesting, because it’s going to shatter that experience of, you know, you could watch a YouTube video to figure out the thing because everybody does the thing in the same way.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But it feels like we’re heralding a future where no two people are going to have the exact same experience. You know, you may be creating content through a text editor, which then somehow gets uploaded, or the text editor merely creates a prompt, and then the theme is swapped or amended because you’ve typed in some prompt.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, you know, my UI, my IDE, my text editor, my version of WordPress, maybe I might build my site entirely differently to you. So that’s fascinating and slightly worrying at the same time because, how do you support that? Not just Pressable, but how does the community support it when we’ve got an infinite number of ways to create a blog post?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:38:55] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> And not just a blog post, but everything.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:38:57] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, right, everything. Yep.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:38:58] <strong>Malcolm Peralty:</strong> Maybe you say you want this Christmas theme. Maybe it doesn’t select a theme and change the colours, maybe it writes a whole new CSS for the theme you have. Or maybe it writes a whole new theme, or maybe it writes a plugin that automatically switches it around Christmas time. Like it doesn’t have to pull off the shelf from the theme marketplace or the plugin marketplace that already exists. It can create something wholly new and specific for you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Maybe it writes a whole new block for you, rather than trying to pull together three or four blocks to be able to create the output that you’re looking for. And some of these things for sure are not going to necessarily be super performant or super secure, especially initially, right? Maybe a year or two from now, once the AI is even smarter than it is today, or has a better understanding of WordPress than it does today. Maybe it will kind of think more about security and performance than it does right now. But you’re going to have these people deploying things that are not the ideal outcome, or ideal solution, or ideal anything. It’s just works for them right now.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And it’s funny, I always hear people talk about maintenance, right? How are we going to maintain all this AI code? We, humans are not going to maintain all this AI code. AI is going to maintain and update all this AI code. And so the joke of it is, if you come along and your host comes back to you and says, hey, your website’s running like a dog. You’re not going to spend half a day or a day trying to troubleshoot anymore. You’re just going to say, hey, AI, why is my website running poorly? 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src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Freedom to work globally.<br />Freedom to grow.<br />Freedom to dream bigger.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-becoming-a-contributor\"><strong><img alt=\"🤝\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f91d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Becoming a Contributor</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>I developed and published two plugins in the WordPress repository—<strong>Contact Information Widget</strong> and <strong>Shital Quiz Cloner for LearnDash</strong> <img alt=\"🔌\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f50c.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Seeing people use my work gave me deep satisfaction <img 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src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was also honored to be part of the <strong>Women Squad for WordPress 5.6 Release Planning</strong> <img alt=\"😍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"👍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"👩💻\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f469-200d-1f4bb.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Seeing my name <strong>“Shital Marakana”</strong> in Design, Tech, and Lead was an unforgettable moment <img alt=\"💖\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f496.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-wordcamp-experiences-in-india\"><strong><img alt=\"🎤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3a4.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> WordCamp Experiences in India</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>My first WordCamp in Mumbai was an amazing experience <img alt=\"🎉\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f389.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I realized something important:</p>\n\n\n\n<p>WordPress is not just about code…<br />It is about people <img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I attended WordCamps in Mumbai, Nagpur, and Ahmedabad.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Each one helped me grow.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr 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class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3c6.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>The most special part?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I attended with my family <img alt=\"👨👩👦\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f468-200d-1f469-200d-1f466.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>My husband supported me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>My 4-year-old son, <strong>Mantra</strong>, enjoyed every moment <img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>This was not just my journey—it became our journey.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/3026/04/73052.jpg\"><img alt=\"All WCAsia attendees in the auditorium\" class=\"wp-image-8599\" height=\"536\" src=\"https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/3026/04/73052-1024x536.jpg\" width=\"1024\" /></a></figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-volunteering-at-wordcamp-asia\"><strong><img alt=\"🤝\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f91d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Volunteering at WordCamp Asia</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Volunteering was one of the most meaningful experiences of my life <img alt=\"💙\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f499.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>I worked with people from around the world <img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>At the end, I received my volunteer certificate <img alt=\"📜\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4dc.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It was not just a certificate.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It was a symbol of my journey.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-what-wordcamp-asia-gave-me\"><strong><img alt=\"💡\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4a1.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> What WordCamp Asia Gave Me</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Did it give me financial freedom?<br />Not immediately.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Did it give me community?<br />Yes <img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Did it give me global exposure?<br />Absolutely <img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>But most importantly—</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It gave me direction.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/wcasia.webp\"><img alt=\"WCAsia group photo\" class=\"wp-image-8582\" height=\"600\" src=\"https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/wcasia.webp\" width=\"900\" /></a></figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-conclusion\"><strong><img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Conclusion</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>When I look back at my journey, it feels like a story of courage, belief, and growth <img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>WordPress started as curiosity…<br />But it became my identity.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>From a small village to a global stage <img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />—<br />this journey changed me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>There were doubts.<br />There were fears.<br />But I kept going <img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And WordCamp Asia became my turning point.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It didn’t just give me results—<br />it gave me direction.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It didn’t just give me success—<br />it gave me possibility.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>It didn’t just change my present—<br />it shaped my future.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>WordPress gave me confidence.<br />It gave me a voice.<br />It gave me a community <img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>And today, I know—</p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>It is not just what I do—it is who I have become, and who I am still becoming.</strong> <img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\" />\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"gujarati\"><strong><img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> એક નાના ગામથી વર્ડકેમ્પ એશિયા સુધી: મારી વર્ડપ્રેસ સફર <img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></strong></h1>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls=\"controls\" src=\"https://heropress.com/wp-content/uploads/3026/04/gujarati_essay.mp3\"></audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">શીતલને તેના પોતાના અવાજમાં તેનો નિબંધ વાંચતા સાંભળો!</figcaption></figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><em>જિજ્ઞાસાથી કોન્ટ્રીબ્યુશન સુધી — વર્ડપ્રેસે કેવી રીતે મને કારકિર્દી, આત્મવિશ્વાસ અને વૈશ્વિક તકો આપી</em></strong><strong> <img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></strong></h3>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🌱\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f331.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> પરિચય</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>દરેક સફર એક નાના પગલાથી શરૂ થાય છે, <em>ઘણીવાર સ્પષ્ટતા કરતાં જિજ્ઞાસાથી પ્રેરિત થાય છે.</em><br />મારી ટેક્નોલોજીની સફર પણ એવી જ હતી — કોઈ પ્લાન નહોતો, માત્ર એક સવાલ હતો: <em>મારે શું શીખવું જોઈએ? <img alt=\"🤔\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f914.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></em></p>\n\n\n\n<p>એક નાના ગામમાંથી આવું છું જ્યાં કોમ્પ્યુટરનો ઉપયોગ ખૂબ જ ઓછો થાય છે, મેં ક્યારેય કલ્પના પણ નહોતી કરી કે એક દિવસ હું વૈશ્વિક સમુદાયનો ભાગ બનીશ અને વર્ડકેમ્પ એશિયા જેવા આંતરરાષ્ટ્રીય કાર્યક્રમમાં હાજરી આપીશ. <img alt=\"🌏\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30f.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મારો માર્ગ પરંપરાગત નહોતો. હું ટેકનિકલ બેકગ્રાઉન્ડમાંથી આવી ન હતી, કે મારી પાસે સ્પષ્ટ રોડમેપ નહોતો. પરંતુ મારી પાસે જે હતું તે જિજ્ઞાસા, નિશ્ચય અને શીખવાની ઇચ્છા હતી. <img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>સમય જતાં, આ જિજ્ઞાસા ધીમે ધીમે કૌશલ્ય બની, કૌશલ્ય કારકિર્દી બની, અને કારકિર્દી મને વર્ડપ્રેસ સમુદાય સાથે જોડતી ગઈ <img alt=\"💻\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4bb.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>આ વાર્તા છે કે કેવી રીતે વર્ડપ્રેસ મારા સંતોષ અને આનંદનો સ્ત્રોત બન્યો. <img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🎓\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f393.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> પ્રારંભિક જીવન અને શિક્ષણ</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>હું એક નાના ગામડામાંથી આવું છું, જ્યાં ટેકનોલોજીમાં તકો મર્યાદિત હતી. ઉચ્ચ શિક્ષણ માટે, હું રાજકોટ શહેરમાં રહેવા ગઈ.<img alt=\"🏙\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3d9.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>ઘણા વિદ્યાર્થીઓની જેમ, મેં પણ પરંપરાગત શૈક્ષણિક માર્ગ અપનાવ્યો અને રસાયણશાસ્ત્રમાં વિજ્ઞાનની સ્નાતક ડિગ્રી પૂર્ણ કરી.</p>\n\n\n\n<p><br />જોકે, મારી ડિગ્રી પૂર્ણ કર્યા પછી, મને મારા ભવિષ્ય વિશે અનિશ્ચિતતા અનુભવાઈ. <img alt=\"😕\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f615.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> રસાયણશાસ્ત્ર મારો વિષય હતો, પણ તે મારો શોખ નહોતો.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>ત્યારે જ મેં કોમ્પ્યુટર શીખવાનું નક્કી કર્યું <img alt=\"💻\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4bb.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> કમ્પ્યુટર સફરની શરૂઆત</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>૨૦૦૯ માં, મેં કમ્પ્યુટર એન્જિનિયરિંગના કોર્ષમાં પ્રવેશ મેળવ્યો. મારા માટે બધું જ નવું હતું – પ્રોગ્રામિંગ, લોજિક અને ટેકનિકલ ખ્યાલો.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>તે સરળ નહોતું, ખાસ કરીને નોન-ટેકનિકલ પૃષ્ઠભૂમિમાંથી. પરંતુ હું શીખવા માટે મક્કમ હતી. <img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" 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ગયું.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>એક દિવસ મારા બોસે કહ્યું:<br />“વર્ડપ્રેસ સાઈટ માં પોસ્ટ સાઇડબારમાં કન્ટેન્ટ ઉમેરો.”</p>\n\n\n\n<p>હું ચોંકી ગઈ. <img alt=\"😳\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f633.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મને વર્ડપ્રેસ આવડતું નહોતું.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>પણ મેં હાર ના માની.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>સર્ચ કર્યું, શીખ્યું, અને કામ પૂર્ણ કર્યું <img alt=\"🔍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f50d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>એ એક કામે મારી દિશા બદલી દીધી.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> વર્ડપ્રેસની શોધ</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>વર્ડપ્રેસ શીખતા શીખતા સમજાયું કે આ ખૂબ પાવરફુલ પ્લેટફોર્મ છે.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>ઓછા કોડ સાથે, આપણે ઝડપી, વધુ સારી અને સ્માર્ટ વેબસાઇટ બનાવી શકીએ છીએ. <img alt=\"⚡\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/26a1.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>૨૦૧૫ માં, મેં વર્ડપ્રેસ પર સંપૂર્ણ ધ્યાન કેન્દ્રિત કરવાનું નક્કી કર્યું. અને તે નિર્ણયથી મારું જીવન બદલાઈ ગયું.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> સ્વતંત્રતાની પસંદગી</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>૨૦૧૮ માં, મેં બીજું એક મોટું પગલું ભર્યું – મેં મારી નોકરી છોડી દીધી.</p>\n\n\n\n<p> મેં વર્ડપ્રેસ ડેવલપર તરીકે રિમોટલી કામ કરવાનું શરૂ કર્યું. <img alt=\"💼\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4bc.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"✨\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2728.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> </p>\n\n\n\n<p>તે જોખમી હતું… પણ તેનાથી મને સ્વતંત્રતા મળી. <img alt=\"🌍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>વૈશ્વિક સ્તરે કામ કરવાની સ્વતંત્રતા. </p>\n\n\n\n<p>વિકાસ કરવાની સ્વતંત્રતા. </p>\n\n\n\n<p>મોટા સ્વપ્ન જોવાની સ્વતંત્રતા.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🤝\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f91d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Contributor બનવું</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>મેં વર્ડપ્રેસ રિપોઝીટરીમાં બે પ્લગઇન્સ બનાવ્યા:<br /><img alt=\"🔌\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f50c.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Contact Information Widget<br /><img alt=\"🔌\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f50c.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> Shital Quiz Cloner for LearnDash</p>\n\n\n\n<p>મારા plugins નો ઉપયોગ લોકો કરે છે — એ જોવું ખૂબ સંતોષકારક હતું. <img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મેં Core, Meta, Polyglots માં યોગદાન આપવાનું શરૂ કર્યું.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>હું વર્ડપ્રેસ Core અને Meta Contributor બની. <img alt=\"💙\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f499.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મેં અનેક વર્ડપ્રેસ પ્રકાશનોમાં યોગદાન આપ્યું. <img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>જેમાં શામેલ છે:</p>\n\n\n\n<p>4.9 “Tipton”, 4.9.5 સુરક્ષા અને જાળવણી પ્રકાશન, 5.0 “Bebo”, 5.1 “Betty”, 5.2 “Jaco”, 5.3 “Kirk”, 5.4 “Adderley”, 5.5 “Eckstine”, 5.6 “Simone”, 5.7 “Esperanza”, 5.8 “Tatum”, 5.9 “Josephine”, 6.0 “Arturo”, અને 6.6 “Dorsey” <img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>વર્ડપ્રેસ 5.6 રિલીઝ પ્લાનિંગ 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પસંદ થવાનો ગર્વ મળ્યો. <img alt=\"😍\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60d.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"😊\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f60a.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /><img alt=\"👩💻\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f469-200d-1f4bb.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🎤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3a4.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> ભારતમાં વર્ડકેમ્પના અનુભવો</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>મુંબઈમાં મારો પહેલો વર્ડકેમ્પ એક અદ્ભુત અનુભવ હતો. <img alt=\"🎉\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f389.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મને સમજાયું —<br />વર્ડપ્રેસ ફક્ત કોડ નથી…<br />એ કોમ્યુનિટી છે. <img alt=\"❤\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<p>મેં મુંબઈ, નાગપુર અને અમદાવાદના વર્ડકેમ્પમાં હાજરી આપી.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>દરેકે મને વિકાસ કરવામાં મદદ કરી.</p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"✈\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2708.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> વર્ડકેમ્પ એશિયાનું સપનું</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>વર્ડકેમ્પ એશિયા મારું સ્વપ્ન હતું <img alt=\"🌏\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f30f.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" />.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>પરંતુ આર્થિક રીતે, તે મુશ્કેલ હતું.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>તેથી મેં લાઇવ સ્ટ્રીમ્સ જોઈ <img alt=\"📺\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4fa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" 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src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f615.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> केमिस्ट्री मेरा सब्जेक्ट था, लेकिन यह मेरा पैशन नहीं था।</p>\n\n\n\n<p>तभी मैंने कंप्यूटर सीखने का फैसला किया।<img alt=\"💻\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4bb.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /></p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\" />\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong><img alt=\"🚀\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f680.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" /> कंप्यूटर यात्रा की शुरुआत</strong></h2>\n\n\n\n<p>2009 में, मैंने कंप्यूटर इंजीनियरिंग कोर्स में एडमिशन लिया। मेरे लिए सब कुछ नया था – प्रोग्रामिंग, लॉजिक और टेक्निकल कॉन्सेप्ट।</p>\n\n\n\n<p>यह आसान नहीं था, खासकर नॉन-टेक्निकल बैकग्राउंड से होने के कारण। लेकिन मैंने सीखने का पक्का इरादा कर लिया था। <img alt=\"💪\" class=\"wp-smiley\" src=\"https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4aa.png\" style=\"height: 1em;\" 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If you’ve been meaning to attend a WordPress Boston meetup event and just haven’t gotten around to it, this is the month you should finally make it happen.</p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-event-details\">Event Details</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Date:</strong> April 27, 2026<br /><strong>Time:</strong> 6:30PM-9:00PM<br /><strong>Location:</strong><br />Microsoft New England Research and Development (NERD) Center<br />1 Memorial Drive<br />Cambridge, MA 02142<br /><br /><strong>You must RSVP to attend.</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">More details and the RSVP form can be <a href=\"https://www.meetup.com/boston-wordpress-meetup/events/311745822/\">found on the meetup.com event page</a>.</p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-a-local-pioneer\">A Local Pioneer</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I checked my email one day last September to find a new post from <a href=\"https://ethanmarcotte.com/wrote/\">Ethan Marcotte’s journal</a>. He wrote about how he was looking for his next endeavor having just finished a project with the <a href=\"https://www.boston.gov/\">City of Boston</a> where he helped the <a href=\"https://www.boston.gov/departments/boston-digital-service\">Digital Services team</a> define a new design system. I realized I had forgotten that he was based in Boston.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Anyone and everyone is welcome to speak at our meetups so long as the topic is useful in some way to those who use or build with WordPress (<a href=\"https://bostonwp.org/speak-at-a-meetup/\">submit a talk proposal</a> if you think that’s you)! While we occasionally have speakers from out of town when logistics line up right, it’s very important to me that the meetup is a platform for celebrating and showcasing the amazing talents from the greater Boston area. The organizing team regularly performs outreach to individuals who we feel can offer valuable insight to the attendees of our meetup. 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My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:00:26] Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress, the people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case how web accessibility boosts traffic, SEO, and revenue.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:00:39] If you’d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:00:56] If you have a topic that you’d like us to feature on the podcast, I’m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you or your idea featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox and use the form there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:01:13] So on the podcast today we have Anne Bovelett.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:01:16] Anne is a seasoned accessibility strategist with many years of experience in the tech industry. Her journey into accessible design began several years ago, and since then, she’s become a passionate advocate for making the web a more inclusive place. Especially for WordPress users and developers. Drawing from her background in consulting, training, and her own experiences, Anne’s work focuses on the intersection of accessibility, universal design, and tangible business outcomes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:01:46] This episode explores accessibility, not just as a moral imperative, but as a strategic advantage for website owners and businesses. Anne explains how neglecting accessibility means you are leaving serious money on the table, referencing compelling research from a variety of credible sources. These studies reveal practical data. Compliant sites enjoy increases in organic traffic, a boost in keyword rankings, stronger authority, and significant financial opportunities, sometimes running into millions and even billions.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:02:22] Anne talks about why accessibility hasn’t always been prioritised on the web, using analogies of the physical world, and the history of web development. She gets into the technical side as well, but this conversation is specifically geared towards the real world, bottom line, business benefits of accessible websites. Reach more users, boost revenue, and even reduce support costs.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:02:46] If you’re a website owner, developer, or digital business leader who’s ever wondered whether accessibility is worth it, this episode is for you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:02:57] If you’re interested in finding out more, you can find all of the links in the show notes by heading to wptavern.com/podcast, where you’ll find all the other episodes as well.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:07] And so without further delay, I bring you Anne Bovelett.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:17] I am joined on the podcast by Anne Bovelett. Hello Anne.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:20] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> Hi Nathan. Thank you for having me today.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:23] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You are very welcome. Anne and I have been talking for quite a long time before we hit record and we’ve covered a lot of ground. But the ground that we’re going to cover today is all to do with accessibility, your WordPress website and why, well, why you are leaving money on the table if you are not pursuing the accessibility goals that you probably should be in the year 2026.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:43] Before we begin that, I guess it would be a good idea for you, Anne, to give us your credentials. Tell us a little bit about you and how come you get to speak authoritatively about accessibility in WordPress. So over to you, give us your bio.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:55] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> It’s the most dangerous thing to ask me ever, right? Because I always talk too much.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:01] So let me do it differently this time. When I started figuring out about accessibility, about six years ago, I quickly realised that it’s not that complex to learn accessible coding. It’s not that complex to learn universal design principles. But what is hard for a lot of people working in accessibility is that many of them have this very social way of acting. I do too. I’m in it for the right reason, I think, because I want everybody to have freedom and also the freedom to make the same mistakes that we do, but also not to be constrained in any way.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:46] And then I was speaking to accessibility specialists, remediators, and in every layer of businesses, and I realised that they were being punched upon by organisations because they were just getting too many roles in one. The expectations were insane. So companies were 2 – 3000 people working for them, outputting I don’t know what kinds of digital products and websites, would expect one person to be the accessibility person to guard the compliance. And I mean this is a recipe for burnout 101.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:05:21] And one thing I don’t have a lack of is a big mouth. And one of the reasons why I started working for myself is because of that big mouth. I was not material to be hired, even though I managed to work for 22 years in employment. I realised at some point, if I ask a good fee, for some reason people take me seriously. Have you ever noticed that, Nathan? The more money you ask for, the more serious they’re going to take you. It’s absolutely ridiculous. But that’s what’s happening.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:05:59] And so I was trying to find my way in accessibility, like where do I fit in best? 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It’s kind of curious that the accessibility bit never got importance from the get-go. And I mean right back from when the internet began.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:07:18] There was this great promise that suddenly great swathes of information, which would’ve been hither to unavailable to an awful lot of people, would suddenly be able to be parachuted into your living room via a computer and increasingly, you know, into your hand with a mobile phone.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:07:34] And yet the technology developed, the browsers developed, the web design industry developed, and it never got that importance. I’m genuinely puzzled by how that occurred. How it is that we all ignored that. And it really is probably only within the last 3, 4, 5 years that this clarion call for accessibility has become mainstream. I know that there’s people that have been banging the gong probably right from the beginning, but it has been largely ignored and I find that really curious.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:08:07] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> I think that is due to two things. First of all, because people approach this as a purely social issue that needs to be resolved, and that people can’t imagine that they have certain users, which is arrogance at its finest. But, you know, that’s another topic.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:08:27] The other thing is good intentions. Like they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, right? Because in the beginning of the internet, when things got more colour, I always say this is the point, where things got more colourful, when Google was still small, when Alta Vista was still a thing and Yahoo and you remember, and I think we had four digit or five digit numbers for ICQ members. 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They did this together with accessibilitychecker.org.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:16:41] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Sorry, I’m reading out the URL where I located it, so yeah. But the point being that there’s an economic imperative. And that kind of cuts through a lot, doesn’t it? You know, if you go to a business and you say to them, if we were to make this minor tweak with your business, we could increase your revenue by 0.5 of a percent. If we make these other tweaks, we can increase you by 8%, 9%, or what have you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:17:04] Any business owner who hears those words is going to be curious. Okay, right, you’ve got my attention, now what? And although it kind of misses out the whole moral argument, like we should be making sites accessible just because that’s morally the right thing to do. Put that to one side. Let’s go with the economic imperative.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:17:23] So I will link in the show notes to anything that we mention today. So I’ll just drop that in. Go to wptavern.com, search for the episode with Anne, and all the links will be provided there, as well, I might add with a transcript of everything that we say today.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:17:38] Tell us the sort of headline pieces that you found curious in the accessibilitychecker.org piece, which is obviously, as you said, created by Semrush amongst others.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:17:47] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> I’m just looking at the first page from Semrush itself. And it was interesting because they actually have an infographic on it that says, summary of findings. That’s not accessible at all, but we used it in our Hackathon project last year. But they tested 10,000 websites. And this is actually what I, and many of the people in my line of work have been waiting for, data, data, data. Because this is what companies care about. And I understand that. You know, they are responsible for people’s salaries, not just the revenue and the turnover, but also for the people that they employ, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:18:27] And so in this research it showed, after 10,000 websites, that 70% of the sites were not compliant. Well, that’s not news, right? But the thing is, they found a 23% traffic increase tied to higher compliance. 27% more keywords ranked with accessibility improvement. So this is major, but here’s the biggest one. 90% boost in authority score for compliant sites.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:18:59] And the thing is, when I read people, wow, we’ve been celebrating last Friday because we had a 0.5 increase in our click rates, for example. That’s another one. I’m like, that could be 10% or 15%. I’m happy to see that it now becomes clear that accessibility affects everything.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:19:21] And the thing is, people approach or companies approach accessibility from a technical standpoint. Like, what do we have to change technically? But accessibility is about people. It’s the same thing with all these solutions, the overlays, the whatever. They’re trying to approach it as a digital problem. But this is a human-centric problem. This is how people use the web.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:19:48] And now if you go back to SEO, one thing I learned a long time ago, I mean you can tell me about Google and other search engines, whatever you want, I don’t care how technical you are, their biggest customer is the people who search on the web, not the ones who pay them to show their stuff. And so this is what search engines are looking for.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:20:16] And now with AI, I’m having a blast because I see people writing stuff like, oh, we have to tell the AI to understand our website. But you are leaving your fate in SEO in the hands of something that is going to interpret what you are doing there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:20:36] I’m not going to name the names. It would be unfair because I’m going to confront them with that before. But, there is a massive event that has a fantastic, big website. I find it hard to navigate, but that’s a personal thing. And that is a JavaScript invested monster. And just for fun of it, I just asked AI, can you find this and this and this for me on that page? And AI was like, no, I can’t. It’s rendering JavaScript. I can’t read this. What do you think that does to a screen reader or, because they’re all using the same technology to read it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:21:10] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. When I’ve done podcast episodes about accessibility in the past, we’ve often dwelled not on this side, in fact, I don’t think we’ve ever touched sort of like the SEO and traffic benefit of it. It’s always been from the point of view of, what can you do? As an engineer, as a web developer, what can you do to go in in the weeds and fix things?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:21:28] We are just going to brush that aside. You can find that information out. You know, go and talk to Anne, for example, if you want to learn how to do it. But the principle here is more about the SEO and therefore the traffic side of things, on the flip side of doing the work. So you imagine, the work is not done. It’s poorer in terms of SEO and poorer in terms of reach, poorer in terms of search engine ranking, poorer in terms of revenue through your e-commerce platform or what have you. And then if you do do the work, all of those things increase incrementally.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:21:59] And in some cases the data shows fairly substantially. And so I’m just going to drill into each of those statistics one at a time because I feel it needs a little bit of like teasing out a little bit. So the first one is, well, there’s many statistics, but the first of the three that I’m going to mention, which you already have mentioned is organic traffic.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:17] So again, this is making the assumption that the work has been done. You’ve achieved the accessibility goals, presumably, which were many. You’ve jumped through all those hoops and you’ve got this benefit on the other side. And here’s some possible benefits.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:29] Organic traffic increased by an average of 23% as a site’s accessibility compliance score increased. So can I ask you, is that one directly related to search engines then? Because it feels like it is. You know, you did the accessibility work and a byproduct of that is that you became more visible on search engines. Have I got that right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:50] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> Yeah, of course because if assistive technology can’t read your site, the search engines probably can’t either.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:59] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. It’s kind of interesting though that you get that much of a boost. You’d think if you had improved things, you might see, I don’t know, a few percent here and there, but this figure of 23%. I mean imagine saying that to a marketing person, or the growth person inside of a company, 23% is possible. The word average in that sentence is bolded. So it’s an average of 23%. So presumably there’s a few that are lower and there’s a few that are higher, but an average increase of 23%. So I don’t ever use the phrase win-win.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:23:32] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> It is win-win. It’s win-win on sides. Maybe that’s a little bit the dark side in me, but I go to business dinners, meetings, entrepreneur get togethers, blah, blah, blah. And then I always hear, at some point I hear people say, I don’t get it. We are paying our SEO companies so much money, and we are not getting better results. And we have had a redesign on our website. And then I look at their website like, hmm, yeah, sure.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:01] And then they will fix the site at some point, maybe they will improve the site, where the design goes, where the user flow goes. But still, it’s not ranking better, and still it’s not ranking better. And I wonder when SEO companies are going to become so smart that they’re going to tell their customer, hey customer, stop writing click here everywhere.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:25] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That’s a great, concrete example of what you’re talking about, because I was going to drill into the next one because honestly, the next point does confuse me a little bit. Again, I’ll link to it in the show notes, but point 4, I’ll just read it here, is websites ranked for an average of 27% more organic keywords with a higher accessibility score.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:45] Can you tease that out for me? Because I’m genuinely puzzled by what that even means. I’m not sure how there’s this overlap between accessibility compliance, and the keywords and how the search engine would pick them up. So that’s me being ignorant.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:59] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> I would say, set the compliance story on fire. Torch it, and throw it away because compliance is what makes people do the bare minimum. And I think, I know they had to use this term in the report because they’ve been checking it if the site is compliant. And then you will get lulled into a false sense of security when your score says, like Google does in Lighthouse, ooh, you are 97% accessible. And like, yeah, but the 3% that you say it’s not, is what’s blocking about 80% of a group of potential visitors that you are not having.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:25:40] But again, it’s about, in my opinion, it’s about the way things have been coded and the way things have been written. For example, what happens is buttons that aren’t buttons that are not really saying, how do you say it? It’s the same thing. It’s the read more thing again. I have to be careful that I don’t go into the rabbit hole here too much. But it’s the read more thing. It is text where links are actually named properly.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:26:08] And just to give you an example, I see a lot of people who try to do affiliate marketing. Let’s say food bloggers. They make humongous sites. They love using WordPress. I know that. There are tons of plugins also for food bloggers to play out the, what do you call that in English? The nutritional values of this and that. All right. And then these bloggers, people complain about it like, oh, why do they have to write their life stories and that of the spider in the corner on the ceiling before they give me the recipe? Well, that is because they’re trying to get caught in the search engines, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:26:44] And then they have all these links. Like, someone creates a great meal with a fantastic expensive pan and a pot, and I don’t know what, and they have all these articles from Amazon. And all they have is click here, click here, click here, click here. And then imagine someone who is using that. I mean I love, I have a nice little, what do you call that, extension in Chrome? I’ve been speaking German all morning. This is why my English is so rusty right now. I have this extension and it just, in a big article, if I want to know, oh, what was that tool that she was using again? I’ll go get the link list with that little extension there, or I’ll just run the screen reader and get the link list, because that’s easy for me to do. And then all I see is click here, click here, click here. So I’m not finding the link through that pan, and so I’m not buying it through her link.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:27:35] Affiliate websites could make so much more money if they would just do the right thing in their content. Let’s forget about the code of the theme that they chose, just the content. If that is played out correctly, and it’s not some JavaScript generated hoo-ha, which doesn’t happen in WordPress Core, they would make a lot more money.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:27:58] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Because I haven’t really been following the SEO industry for a very long time, I really don’t have much intelligence around what search engines these days look for. You know, back in the day when I was building websites, there was a, almost like a playbook that you could go through. And if you did these things, you could achieve reasonable results in SEO.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:28:18] And that was the state of the internet 15 years ago when algorithms were less sophisticated, and people were just beginning to kind of get online and use things like Google all the time. But it sounds to me as if we’ve got to a point with search engines, as if they’re able to, I’m maybe going to overstate this, it feels like the more human you have become as a website, the more likely Google will favour you.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:28:48] I’m not really encapsulating that very well, but what I mean is, if you put content on there, which is human readable. If you make it obvious where to click to do the thing, rather than stop it with keywords and things which, you know, is not really in the best intentions of humans, that’s clearly done for the algorithm only, it does sound like you are saying that the search engines favour, I’m doing air quotes here, humanity.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:29:15] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> They always have. Let me circle back to what I said before. We, as the people who use search engines, and nowadays they’re AI in whatever they do, we are the biggest customer for them. Because if we’re not there to search, to use them, they can’t sell their services to the people paying to be found.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:29:37] I might be, how do you say that, unorthodox in this approach, but I’ve seen it. I have a friend, Manuela van Prooijen, she’s the owner of a company called Weblish. In the Netherlands she trains people in how to set up businesses with WordPress and how to build with WordPress. And you wouldn’t expect it when someone is just focused on that, but she’s got a very broad perspective of things. And she dove into SEO in a way that I’ve never seen before. And some of the SEO experts that I know, and we know together, were like, why didn’t we ever think of that? And it had to do with structured data. And of course, everything she builds is accessible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:30:24] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Okay, so I’m going to pivot slightly. However, I think we’ve made the case that if you are endeavouring to make your website more accessible, I think by reading that piece, you will understand that there are definite benefits in terms of traffic and search engine rankings and so on. So let’s just take that one as a given.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:30:43] And then I’m going to move over to a piece which you yourself wrote, not that long ago actually. Almost exactly a year ago, March 4th, 2025. It’s on your website, annebovelett.eu. It’s called The E-commerce Industry’s Billion Pound Mistake. And in here you make the argument, and you bind it to money, to actual dollar terms and things like that, which is quite interesting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:31:05] So I’m wondering if you’d just paint the numbers around what you were saying here, if you can remember. I know it’s a year ago now that you wrote it. But broadly speaking, what was the economic case that you were making?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:31:13] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> It’s actually, this is based on a British report, actually. It’s called the Click Away Pound Report. It was brought in 2019. And that actually measures how much revenue people left lying on the street by not making their shops, their online shops, accessible. And the economic case is, we say in Dutch, you thief your own wallet, if you’re not doing it. And again, these are, this is data, these are numbers.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:31:48] So in 2016, for example, the click away pound increased by 45%. Let me just throw around some numbers, right? So in 2016, the money that people left lying on the street by not making their eshops accessible was 11.75 billion. Billion, not million, billion pounds. In 2019, that was already up to 17 billion. Really, I don’t know if they’re going to do another Click Away Pound Report again at some point, but I think we’re going to be shocked. Because since 2019, the state of the internet actually worsened because of all this technology. And it’s getting worse because of all this vibe coding voodoo, where they’re using AI that is trained on inaccessible code. But that’s another thing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:32:45] So there’s another article that I have. I think it is so much money that people leave lying on the street, this is larger than the Chinese economy, that amount. It’s in an article I wrote about e-commerce in 2022, where I was criticising CMSs, including WooCommerce, who actually did a great job. Now WooCommerce Core is now accessible. And said, okay, if your system sucks, the people using your system are going to lose without being able to help it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:33:18] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> If you send me the link to that piece, I will obviously add that into the show notes.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:33:22] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> It seems I’m on the cold side of accessibility because that is something that forever stuck with me. Someone called me cold hearted, because I’m talking about the commercial side of accessibility all the time. But, you know, there was a time, this is maybe a strange segway, but there was a time where I weighed way over a hundred kilos. I was so heavy. I had trouble moving, I was in pain, I was uncomfortable. And for me, buying clothes became an uncomfortable exercise. Going into these shops, especially these nice boutique shops, with their very small cabins, you know, trying to turn around and not being able to step into a pair of pants or whatever. Just uncomfortable.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:34:13] But the most uncomfortable thing about it for me was that I got blatantly ignored by the ladies that were selling the clothes in the stores. And three years after that, I had lost about 37 kilos. And I came into that one store where it was very, very apparent that they really weren’t interested in talking to me at all. I came in and they immediately jumped me, both of them, the shop owner and her assistant. And I got madder and madder and madder and madder.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:34:49] And at some point I said, you know what? Keep your clothes, just tell me don’t you remember me? Don’t you know who I am? No, we don’t remember you. And I was like, well, here’s the picture. Oh yeah, I’ve seen you before. And you know what, the fact, at that time I was thinking, maybe it’s because you’re too busy or you are, you know, I don’t know. But the fact that you jumped me right now with the same amount of people in the place tells me something else.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:35:15] Now, why am I telling this story? This is how a lot of people that need assistive technology feel, and also how older people feel on the web. I mean, I don’t know about the UK, but in the Netherlands, you can’t do your taxes without a couple of apps on a phone. Well, if you jump through a million hoops, maybe you can send it in on paper still, but it’s almost impossible. If apps like that don’t work correctly, you’re putting people’s fate in someone else’s hand, because you’re working with their tax number.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:35:54] I don’t know in the UK, in the Netherlands, your personal tax number, never ever give that to someone. Never. Your social security number, don’t do it. And then you’re like, maybe 60, 70-year-old, and you’re right before that stage where the technology’s getting too hard for you, but apps to do these things are too difficult.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:36:17] There is a local tax office in the Netherlands that had a full accessibility redesign done by Level Level in Rotterdam. And for them, the support requests went down, I think by 30% or something. I couldn’t find the case on their website anymore.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:36:35] But this is because people are being empowered to do things by themselves. That’s what they want. And for example, in Germany, there are statistics about that. This is an article that I actually published today that, I think it says like 90% of all German users will always try to first solve something by themselves, and if it doesn’t work they’ll walk away.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:36:58] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That’s one of the curious things that come out of the article. The first part of this conversation was all about SEO and what have you. We didn’t really talk much about the person experiencing the problem. It was more about search engines and maybe how you would technically fix things. But this is so interesting. In your piece, you, and I’m just going to quote it because that’s going to be the easiest way to get the information into the record.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:37:20] And it says, a shocking 75% of disabled customers have willingly paid more for a product from an accessible website, rather than struggle with a cheaper inaccessible one. And that kind of sums up the whole thing really for me, that if you are faced with a struggle to do something, let’s say, I dont know, you want to buy a widget and it’s $100. The calculus that you are going through is, I could spend an hour and a half trying to get that $100 widget, or I could go to this other website and pay $120 for it and be done in three minutes. Well, that’s obvious, I know which one I’m going to do, which is really interesting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:38:02] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> Yeah, yeah. And there’s another thing. People are always like, oh, accessibility is only for the blind. No. The people that go forgotten in that, and I have to tell you, disabilities rarely come alone, right? I’m just going to take myself as an example. I have ADHD on steroids. I’m in the spectrum. I’m old. I need two pairs of glasses, one for my computer, one for my regular stuff. I’m starting to lose my hearing in certain regions. I am the target group. If I need to go and order, and I’m B2B, right? I’m a business.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:38:41] I will order B2B because then I can deduct the VAT. And I have to buy hardware. And I always try to buy the best. I will go to a store, maybe, and it’s B2B and I will go online. If I can’t figure out their stuff, I’m leaving. If I need to look at a manual, a video manual, that has background music while someone is talking, but there is no subtitles, I’m gone. I can’t follow it. My brain won’t let me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:39:15] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, I mean the analogy in my head is kind of, I don’t know, you’re going into a clothes shop or something like that and you need a new pair of shoes or something, and you discover that all the shoes are in a locked cupboard in a corner. And in order to get to the shoes, you need to ask a receptionist for the key. And then they go and find the key, and then they give you the wrong key and the key doesn’t work. And then they don’t point out where the box of shoes is, so you’re completely confused.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:39:36] That whole thing is just avoided by going to the next shop along the street where all the shoes are right there for you to pick up and try on and what have you. You’ve made the journey easy, and it turns out that price isn’t necessarily the prime mover here, which is really interesting. I find that statistic fascinating, that people will pay accordingly if they can get what they need out of it. I mean I know it sounds like common sense, but having it painted in those stark colours is.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:40:04] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> Yeah, yeah. This is one of the things I did want to mention as well. I have the privilege of talking to Mark Weisbrod a lot from Greyd. You know him? He’s the CEO of Greyd. I think he’s unique, especially in the world of WordPress because he’s looking at things solely from a business perspective. He’s not distracted by technical issues or whatsoever. He will get it from there. He’s someone who often says to me like, okay, I like the story now show me the data.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:40:39] But then at some point, I remember it was before the European Accessibility Act was coming into effect, I think. So this, we’re talking about this in 2023 or something. And then I said, I don’t get it. Why is everybody so focused on the European Accessibility Act? Look at how much money they can make by leaving people their dignity. Because that’s basically what it is by making your stuff accessible.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:41:06] If you get past the stupid idea that if something is accessible, it can’t look nice. I mean, go to github.com without being logged in, that’s accessible. It’s a wonderful website. And then I said, where is the common sense? Why, if I talk to the C-suite of a company in one of those business things, and I say, listen, if you would make this and this and this more accessible in your web shop, your turn over would go up by so many percent, why are they not like, we’ve got to invest this money right now?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:41:39] And then he said, no matter what, people will always think with their wallet today and tomorrow. They’re not thinking about next week. Only the most visionary leaders in the industries think way more. And this is something I say now, because he said, he was telling me about they were selling, in a company he worked for, they were selling solar systems. And these systems would save the buyers so much money on the long run, but it was very hard to sell them because it was in the long run.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:42:20] And if a CEO or a CFO, I mean I know it sounds offending, I don’t mean it that way, but in large corporations it’s to eat or to be eaten. Managers are always afraid of their managers kicking down on them and the others kicking up, and they’re always trying to defend their own spot in the business. It’s only in smaller companies that people can have more leverage. So there are always so many powers at play in a company that if you start talking to a company about, it’s for the greater good of your company, it’s the same argument as it’s for the greater good of humanity.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:42:59] And I’ll just give you another number for example. Based on the Click Away Pound Report, and some other data that I have, I’ve been working on building a calculator. You tell me which country your web shop is in, you tell me how much turnover you have per year and then that calculator is going to tell you how much potential revenue you are walking away from by not making it accessible. I did this for very, very big supermarket chain in Switzerland, and the outcome was you could make 0.94% more revenue. And then you’re like, yeah, less than 1%. Yeah, sure. Ah, it’s still 350 million Swiss Francs.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:43:43] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah. Less than 1% but still that kind of money, wow.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:43:47] <strong>Anne Bovelett:</strong> Yes. And then you get this perspective thing. Because I’m pretty sure the day that this knowledge seeps through to the unions of the employees of this company, the employees are going to go like, why do we have to save money, or why do we not get a raise where you don’t take the opportunity to make that much more turnover? 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Sessions took place across the Foundation, Growth, and Enterprise tracks, with workshops running alongside the main program.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of the opening sessions was James LePage’s <em>WordPress and AI</em>, which introduced a theme that appeared throughout the conference: how WordPress is responding to changes in AI, publishing, and developer workflows. That topic continued in later sessions focused on AI-driven development, autonomous testing, plugin maintenance, and automation.</p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n\n</div></figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Later that morning, a fireside chat with Mary Hubbard and Shilpa Shah shifted the focus toward trust, security, and the longer-term questions shaping open source publishing. Coming early in the program, the conversation gave the conference an important center of gravity, pairing technical change with questions of stewardship, resilience, and what people needed from WordPress as the web continued to evolve. 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Register the MCP server with Claude</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here’s the command I used to register the <code>wordpress-develop</code> MCP server with Claude:</p>\n\n\n<pre class=\"wp-block-code\"><span><code class=\"hljs language-shell shcb-wrap-lines\">claude mcp add-json wordpress-develop --scope user \'{\"command\":\"npm\", \"args\":[\"--prefix\", \"~/repos/wordpress-develop/\", \"run\", \"env:cli\", \"--\", \"mcp-adapter\", \"serve\", \"--server=mcp-adapter-default-server\", \"--user=admin\"]}\'</code></span></pre>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here’s the JSON with formatting:</p>\n\n\n<pre class=\"wp-block-code\"><span><code class=\"hljs language-json\">{\n <span class=\"hljs-attr\">\"command\"</span>: <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"npm\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-attr\">\"args\"</span>: [\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"--prefix\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"~/repos/wordpress-develop/\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"run\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"env:cli\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"--\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"mcp-adapter\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"serve\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"--server=mcp-adapter-default-server\"</span>,\n <span class=\"hljs-string\">\"--user=admin\"</span>\n ]\n}</code></span></pre>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You may want to remove <code>--scope user</code> if you just want to register the MCP server for the one project. 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Expose all abilities to MCP</h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Registered abilities are not exposed to MCP by default. This is a safety measure so that AI agents have to be explicitly allowed to perform potentially sensitive actions. So without any plugins active other than the MCP Adapter, prompting Claude with “discover abilities” results in:</p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No abilities found. The MCP server connection may be unstable. Try reconnecting again with <code>/mcp</code>.</p>\n</blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, since this is a local development environment, there is no concern about this (for me at least). 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I think we could kill the <code>cd taxonomist-main && claude \"start\"</code> part of it.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>Because much of the code and commands are generated on the fly from prompts, it’s very resilient! I’ve seen people try it, and it ran into errors with libraries or whatever, but it just figured out how to work around them.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>I’d love it if, at the end of every session, there was a moment for self-reflection where the agent would take the repository and suggest upstream issues and PRs based on anything that went wrong. Then this could recursively self-improve very quickly.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>There are some obvious improvements to this, for example, doing this for tags. Sometimes it creates too many categories when you might only want 3-5 for your theme.</li>\n\n\n\n<li>One fun thing is a bunch of the work of this just uses public WordPress APIs, so you can run it against any site! I like using <a href=\"https://distributed.blog/\">distributed.blog</a> as a demo. 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My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress, the people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case, WordPress content creation, education, and the unexpected diversion into a pizza plugin.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you’d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast player of choice, or by going to wptavern.com/feed/podcast, and you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you have a topic that you’d like us to feature on the podcast, I’m keen to hear from you and hopefully get you, or your idea, featured on the show. Head to wptavern.com/contact/jukebox, and use the form there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So on the podcast today we have Elliott Richmond. Elliott’s been deep in the WordPress community for over 20 years, developing since the early days, back when WordPress was yet to be forked from b2. He’s freelanced, built with multiple CMS systems, and has contributed creatively to the community, including releasing a WordPress advent calendar way back in 2013.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He is an active WordPress developer, content creator on YouTube, and unexpectedly a part-time pizza vendor running a thriving pizza business powered entirely by WordPress tools.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many listeners will know Elliott for his technical videos, but today we discuss how WordPress has served as the glue for unexpected ventures, like scaling a local pizza business during lockdown, using WooCommerce, Jetpack, and custom plugins. 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Hello Elliott.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:35] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Hello. How you doing? Thanks for having me.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:03:37] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> You’re so welcome. Elliott and I have had a little bit of a chat prior to hitting the record button.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Elliott’s one of those people who has been in my world for many years, because I’ve been vicariously watching what, this is going to sound a rather sinister. I’ve been watching what Elliott’s been doing for several years. And we’ll get into some of that in a moment. It’s a pleasure to have you on the podcast anyway. I feel like I know more about you than you will do about me, that’s for sure anyway. But welcome to the podcast.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:08] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Thank you. Yeah, thank you for having me. I think if you put yourself out there, you are bound to attract stalking of some form.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:14] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That’s right. Okay. I hope it doesn’t come across as that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:18] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> No, not at all. Not at all.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> But will you just give us a little bit of your background? Obviously this is a WordPress specific podcast, so you can dip into your early childhood if you like, but maybe if we constrain it to WordPressy things.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How long have you been using WordPress? What do you do at the moment? And then we can get into some of the fun things you’re going to be doing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:04:36] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, sure. 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And if you don’t know what that is, that’s basically somebody who makes pizzas.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:06:22] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I can’t ignore that, and we’re going to get into that in a moment. But I’ve been having people on a variety of different podcasts for over a decade now, and you are the first, actually, that’s not true. I was about to say that you are the only person that I’ve ever interviewed who’s actually used b2 prior to it becoming WordPress. You are not, because I interviewed Matt Mullenweg once, and of course he, along with Mike Little, definitely used b2 because they forked it to become WordPress.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But that really does give me an illustration of, you are right at the beginning. 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So yeah, make sure to get that in as well because that’s fascinating.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:07:28] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, so during COVID, during lockdown, my wife and I just started a pizza delivery thing. Because all the kind of delivery shops were closing down and we have a community in our village and it was like, they’ve tried my pizzas before. So we thought, well, we’ll just roll it out and set it up. And people were saying, yeah, send me a pizza. So we thought, okay, well we can sell them to the rest of the community as well. And it was just going to be a temporary thing. Five years later, we employ five staff and it’s still going strong and we sell it as a licence to other people.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But the WordPress thing is, I mean in a million years I wouldn’t know that I’d be doing this five years later, but it’s all because of WordPress that has allowed me to do this. You know, it uses all WordPress products, it’s WooCommerce, WordPress itself, and some Jetpack stuff with the WooCommerce app. It glues everything together and it helps us to run a sort of micro business like that. And what has turned into a weekend, temporary thing has turned into a full-time business. So, yeah, it’s a, I don’t know if I can tell you any more about it really.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:08:28] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Well, you can, you mentioned that you’ve got a plugin that’s coming out fairly soon, aligned with people who wish to replicate your pizza business, but in their own locale.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:08:40] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, so to just give you the bigger picture, my wife is kind of like a bit of a marketing guru, and she sees opportunities where I can’t see them. She sees all the blind spots. So this whole model can be replicated by anybody. She didn’t force me, I was willing to do it, but she made me film all of my steps to make pizzas. So if you don’t know how to make pizza, there’s a full course to make it. There’s a whole module of the marketing that we use. There’s all secret little tips in there about doing stuff on social media, which I don’t do. My wife does all that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But I’ve developed a plugin that works with WordPress and WooCommerce and it stitches everything together. So it’s got an ordering system, it’s got a slot system, it’s got a time-based system, so you can only put certain slots within certain times, and then it’s got a radius distance. So if you were outside of that radius based on your postcode, you can’t order pizzas, but you can collect them. And we do get people collecting from miles away that were passing last year, and they’ve driven a hundred miles to come down for the weekend because they’re passing to pick up a pizza. Honestly, you wouldn’t believe it. But I think the furthest somebody’s come is something like 120 miles. It’s crazy.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, so people have been in touch with me like from, last chap was in Norway asking about his, could he use it for his brother’s bakery? And I said, yeah, absolutely. So anything that’s got like a restricted delivery zone, and maybe you want to just do it at certain times, you can do it. But you don’t even need to use the slot system, but you can set the radius distance. So if you want to do local deliveries, you can set a four mile radius, five mile, ten mile, whatever you want to set. Anything is doable really. Yeah, you can use the plugin.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So that’s kind of like the freemium Pizza Pilot. And then there’s a Pro version that we actually will bundle with our licensees. And we’ve got, it’s not like a franchise, it’s, you know, they buy the whole model once, and then they get the plugin bundled in. And, yeah, I’m just kind of like fine tuning it so that I can manage it. So if pizza does take over my life, I’m still, got my foot in WordPress and developing this product. So I’m happy about that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:10:37] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> That’s so interesting that you have WordPress as the sort of fulcrum of this entirely different side of your life, really. And it feels like it’s more than like a hobby project at the moment. It feels like it’s the underpinnings of a lot of what you do, albeit maybe the WordPress community don’t know about it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But also curious that, and again, I might be reading between the lines, maybe you launch the pizza business and then kind of retrofit your procedures into your own dog fooding plugin, which now you are deciding to sell.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But the fact that the technology stack that you knew inside out was able to facilitate that, you know, and a website can handle things like geolocation, that a website can handle things like payment, and the ability to add ingredients and things like that. All of that enabled you to launch that business, which is just so interesting.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because most people who use WordPress, I doubt ever have that experience in life. You know, maybe they’re building things for clients, or they try a little hobby project. But you’ve got, I don’t know, it just sort of perfectly slotted in and, well, serendipity seems like the right word. Everything just sort of seems to slot in perfectly, and how wonderful.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:11:46] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, I think it all kind of happened at the same time, because I just mentioned to Rachel about, you know, during lockdown these businesses are shutting down and people are going to pivot. Because I was talking to the WordPress community and they were talking about how their businesses were pivoting, like their restaurants. And I said, I could set this up as a website. So it all came together kind of all at once really.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One thing I’d have to say is that I like doing complex things with WordPress, and I’m really interested in the way that people do stuff with WordPress. So we have somebody that comes to our Meetup that is a gardener, and they come religiously to our Meetup. You’d think, well, why is a gardener coming to the Meetup? Well, it’s because they run their whole invoicing system and business, the gardening business, through WordPress.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So it’s like, oh, that’s interesting. So there’s so many different things you can do with WordPress. So the one thing I’m grateful for is all of my experience that WordPress has given me and the opportunities in terms of my career, being able to sell, you know, development packages to clients, and picking up complex jobs in that sense. Because without, it wouldn’t be the glue for the pizza thing, and it wouldn’t have happened that easily.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:12:49] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Right. Genuinely, absolutely fascinating. I think we could probably do the entire podcast about that, but there is another story to tell. As I said, I’ve been looking at Elliott online for quite a while and then, I don’t know when it was, but it was certainly quite recently, we are recording this in March, 2026, quite recently that I learned that you are going to be working with Automattic. I don’t know if it’s for Automattic, but certainly for the wordpress.com side of things. I could spoil what you are doing and misrepresent what it is. Probably best to just hand it over to you, and tell us what this gig is, this project that you’ve got running through 2026.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:13:27] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, so I have to shout out to Michelle Frechette because she basically reached out to me and suggested an introduction with Stacey Carlson, who is Automattic’s Affiliate and Influencer Director. And she’s obviously picked up some of my videos and she just said to me that, do you fancy us sponsoring a video or two about wordpress.com and how I felt about Automattic products? I said, yeah, why not? I use them all the time, every day. So it’s definitely up my street.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So I put some stuff together and she basically just told me that the Automattic leadership team, which directly is Matt down, were broadly supporting content creators. So yeah, I was on board with it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And my mind just went on overdrive. Basically, Stacey said to me, would you like to do this thing? And I was like, yeah. She said, okay, well, we’ll have a chat in a couple of days or whatever. And I was like, I put concepts together and I sent about three or four different ideas. And it was like, yeah, okay, let’s do this. And it’s basically how I use WordPress, what I did, the whole pizza thing, what I do from day to day.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I put these videos together and then it created another opportunity and another introduction to a lady called Brit Solata, who’s head of Influence Marketing. Big inspiration for me is another guy called Jamie Marsland, who’s actually the head of the wordpress.com YouTube channel, because he basically raised his profile by using WordPress and turning hard concepts like using the Block Editor into really easy to understand videos.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And he had the genius idea of creating the speed challenge, which was kind of viral. Again, he lives down the road from me, believe it or not, less than five, six miles away. So there’s a funny story behind that. We’ve known each other for like 15 years, connected through social media and whatever channels there are that we used to use. And we actually met for the first time, face to face, at WordCamp Europe in Greece. And it always tickles me because the first thing he said is like, we’ve known each other for years, but this is the first time we’ve met, and we have to come over the other side of Europe. So it’s not great for our carbon footprint, which always makes me chuckle.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yeah, he was a great inspiration. And since then we went out for a coffee or two and he inspired me really to start doing my YouTube stuff. And I think that’s really what got me recognised through Michelle, Stacy, and Brit. And then Britt suggested that we do something for the rest of this year. So I’m going to be doing videos about wordpress.com, what’s coming up.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WordPress has always been a moving target. It uses multiple different types of technology, right? So there’s always different things happening and changing. And with the advent of AI, there’s a lot of stuff coming into the whole project. So, yeah, that’s kind of where we’re at.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:16:09] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I have a lot of questions around that actually. So the first thing I’m going to ask is, is the intention to make long form content, or are you hoping to make more short form content? And really behind that question is what you just said about the fact that WordPress is in a real period of flux. On the .org side, we’ve got WordPress 7 coming around, which is going to be transformational, but I also feel that any video that gets made to coincide with 7 is quickly going to go out of date because we’re in such a rapid period of flux.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So just conscious about that, really, whether or not the content that you are going to be creating, and forgive me for using this word, is more disposable, if you know what I mean? So the kind of content that you’ll throw together in the anticipation that in 4, 3, 2 months time, you might have to reshoot it again. So, yeah, just wondering what the constraints are on the kind of content that you’re going to be making?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:17:01] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> There aren’t really constraints in that sense, but I think the whole nature of WordPress is ideal for that kind of scenario. So we are going to do long form content and then spinoff of that is going to be the short form as well, because you can just do that with the modern tech that you can use today anyway.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But yes, I think if you’re working in the Core team and you’re doing documentation, and it’s always been a thing, getting documentation out has always been a problematic thing. And if you’re working on something and you’re deep into it, it’s difficult to get that stuff out.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think over the years it’s got better because you’ve got prominent people in Core, in the team, working at Automattic that are pumping stuff out. Justin Tadlock and the other chaps and Birgit is putting stuff out with Gutenberg Times and things like that. So it has got a lot better, but definitely there is an opportunity for content creators to fill a gap in terms of new things that are coming, what’s going to be changing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And also the way that people consume that content because YouTube and all the social, other social platforms, not that they’re great, TikToks and all that, but there’s definitely an opportunity for that content to be absorbed by different people. So there’s definitely a gap there for content creators to make people aware about those changes and new developments that are coming to WordPress.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:18:22] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> I’m in the lucky position in that for this podcast there isn’t really a laundry list of things that I have to cover. It’s very much up to me what I wish to have on the podcast. So you are an example, you know, decided to do this, and here we are doing it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But I did wonder if you were, you know, you mentioned some names there over at Automattic. I don’t know if there’s going to be some things that they will require you to do because that’s in line with what .com has just released or what have you. Or if you really are, you know, the reins are off, do what you like Elliott and just make sure that you post us and tell us what’s going on.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I’m imagining there will be some sort of guidance and, okay, this thing’s about to launch, it would be really welcome if you produce the piece of content explaining why we’ve done it, and how it works and so on.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:19:03] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> There’s no guardrails in that sense. It feels very fluid and flexible. Yes, there are kind of like things, we’d love you to do this, and I’m more than happy to do that because it’s definitely on my street anyway.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The products that are sort of being talked about are products that I use every day, so it has synergy, you know? It’s not like I’m having to do something that I wouldn’t be comfortable doing. It’s stuff I love doing and I love teaching other people anyway. So in terms of that whole community thing, I think when communities come together, the most I get out of it is actually learning from other people, not just teaching them.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And actually just by teaching somebody, or telling somebody about something, they give you feedback and the feedback loop there is super important, especially for a project like WordPress. Without that feedback loop, potentially, it’s not going to be a thing that anyone will use anyway. So just by doing something with the community or publishing something is useful feedback.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There may be something that is sort of created and developed that I don’t necessarily agree with, but I can still put it out there, say whether I like it or don’t like it, and then ask somebody, you know, what’s your feeling? Have you used it? What’s your feedback? Get some comments. That is feedback. And that’s how you improve things.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:20:14] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> YouTube is a phenomenal feedback loop actually. I mean, I know you’ll probably be getting feedback from within Automttic and what have you as well, but I long for the comments on a WordPress blog to be like the comments on a YouTube video. It seems that everybody’s quite willing to get the keyboard out and hammer out thousands of replies on a YouTube video. It really does capture that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And so, especially if during the content you provoke the audience to comment, and to give you feedback, because you may well be making another piece of content, which will be guided by the comments and what have you. I think it’s amazing for that. And kind of like pretty, pretty untapped. Usually when you watch content, it is just, okay, I’ve decided what I’m going to do. There it is. It’s an isolated, atomised piece of content. But the idea of going and asking for, what shall I do next? Or something akin to that is really great. And I hope that works out for you. I fully anticipate that it will, because like I said, the comments are usually fairly voluminous.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:21:09] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, it’s interesting because some of the comments actually inspire you to create your next piece of content. So it’s always good. Sometimes it is difficult because you can see that it’s negative feedback. But actually I think that negative feedback is a positive thing because you can respond in a positive way. Or you can just take that feedback and then feed it back into the ecosystem and that’s how things get changed. So any negativity is a positivity in my book.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:21:35] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, nice. I think you have to armour yourself with things like that when you go on social media and post content, don’t you? Because it doesn’t matter how perfect it is, and how well aligned it is, there’s always somebody lurking somewhere who is willing to derail your day with a comment like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Are you going to be doing this then on official, so you’ve made the content, you’ve created the video, and yada yada. We can get into the process of that in a moment. I’d be kind of interested to know what you do. Are you going to be posting this on official WordPress channels, or is this that you are being hired to create the content and then put it out on your own channels? Or is it, does it come with the official stamp of the wordpress.com YouTube channel or something like that?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:13] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> No, it’s on my channel for my audience. So I’m free to do whatever I want really. I can do my own stuff but there is a, kind of an agreement we have to meet certain months and content that will be aligned with whatever’s happening at wordpress.com or at Automattic. But yeah, there’s no restriction. It’s kind of on my channel to my audience.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:33] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Is it very much then going to be YouTube, like screen shares of the kind of things that you’ve been doing with a code editor or in the backend of WordPress, or a plugin that you’ve installed and have played with or what have you? But obviously on the .com side of things as opposed to the .org side of things.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:22:47] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> I don’t want to give too much away, but I’m given kind of a little bit of early access to stuff that, I found it difficult to find it but it is available, you can get to it, but I needed some pointers. But it’s going to be a mix of technical stuff. You’ve seen my stuff, I’d like to get technical content simplified and I use graphics. And, I mean, if I look at my first stuff, it was nowhere near as polished as it is today. but I like to use animation.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There’s difficult concepts to get over, especially with templating and patterns and template parts and things like that. And if you can simplify that to users, to use this stuff with more knowledge. But there’s also stuff about AI that’s, I mean it even confuses me today, like MCPs and, what’s that? And it’s like large language models and things like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So there’s complex stuff that I’m really looking forward to getting my teeth into because I can try and simplify it. And that’s what I like doing in terms of like graphics and analogies. And hopefully it makes sense to people.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:23:46] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> So it’s going to be, I guess the one word that maybe I would encapsulate it as is educational. The idea is that you come in, learn a thing, or multiple things, and then go away. It’s not just that, oh look, here’s the latest new feature that’s shipping. It’s more, look, here’s the feature, but also here’s how you get to it and how you navigate it and what it does. And if you want to implement it, you must do this, yada, yada, that kind of thing. So educational.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:12] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Yeah, absolutely. There’s lots of other things happening as well that are specifically for developers and not necessarily for wordpress.com. But yeah, engineering those things and putting those together to make something work in the way that you want it to, there is a technical barrier to that. So if I can simplify that and help others to get up and running, then great.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But there’s things like Xdebug that are not enabled by default in the Studio app that I think are really useful. Now I’ve used Xdebug for debugging my code for many years and I honestly cannot do without it. And I didn’t even know it was there, you know, that’s how hidden it was, until I saw a tweet like the other day, and it was, I think it’s recently been rolled out, but I’m like, I am itching to do a video on that, so that I can just let people know how to use it and what it’s beneficial for.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:24:56] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Yeah, you strike me as the kind of character that’s not going to be short of things to do content about. It’s more, which comes first. And I think that’s such a nice gig for you as well, in that you’re obviously a very curious individual. You know, you’ve been making videos for, this is going to come out the wrong way, but, you know, for no reason, if you know what I mean? You know, there was nobody prodding you with a stick saying, Elliott, we need another video now because you’ve been paid for it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You were doing it because that’s something that you found enjoyable, and you like the experience of doing all of that. And then somebody comes along and says, you know what? I think we could well do with paying you for this. That must have been kind of, almost manna from heaven in a way.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:25:34] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> Absolutely. I mean, I feel so fortunate. I’m so grateful to Michelle Frechette for reaching out to me and making that contact because, yeah, I mean, it’s right up my street. You’ve seen, I’ve got guitars around the studio and I think it’s like, I’m the sort of person that I think it’s good to learn something new every day, regardless of what it is. And yeah, you have to be intrigued by something.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And particularly with code and technology, it’s changing all the time. You can do things in different ways. Very much the same as just fingering around a fretboard and trying to find that lick, or that nice harmonic tone that you never found before. And you think, ah, I can do this. I’m going to show my bass player that I can do this, or my guitar player, or whatever. You know, it’s a bit like that.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And you get excited about the littlest things that maybe are not so exciting to a lot of people, but they are to me, and that’s why I do it. And if I can just impart that on somebody, that’s a bonus to me. And I do get that feedback on YouTube. So I’m always so grateful when I get positive feedback like that. So, yeah, long may it continue. And I’m not going to stop doing it because I find it fascinating and I really enjoy it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are many stages to doing a video. You have to figure out what you’re going to talk about, the script, which I didn’t used to do. It was just kind of like, I know this thing, so I’m just going to jump on. But I now script things, break things down into concepts, and then know when I’m going to do some motion graphics. Then I do the headshots, and then I do the editing.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And when I’m done editing, I’m not done editing in like one day, I just do a couple of hours and I go back into the house and I just tell Rachael, I say, I absolutely love editing. It’s just like, it just really excites me. So it is just these little things. Not necessarily about WordPress, but yeah, figuring out how to get a concept across. And then I’ll sit and I’ll bore the tears off Rachael, try and explain this stuff to her, and she’s just patiently listening to me, you know, so I can get it out of my head.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:27:19] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> No, I think that’s the most credible way of getting to the perfect simulation of what it is you’re trying to educate people with. Because you trip over yourself, don’t you? And you realise, okay, that second point should have been the third. And the third should have been the second. And there was a better way of explaining that. I think it’s great that you do it that way.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I’m also, pleased is the wrong word, but I’m curious that you script it as well. Because I know that the temptation is often easy, isn’t it? It’s just, okay, I know this stuff inside out, I’ll just go for it. That extra hour, two hours, three hours, whatever it may be, of disciplining yourself to write it down, I think you go a million more miles with that content. You know, you refine it, you work it through, you cut out the additional words that are not needed, that just sort of demonstrates to me that you are really, really serious about it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:28:06] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> I say scripted, loosely scripted. It’s scripted not to the absolute T. It’s kind of like flashcard prompts.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:28:10] <strong>Nathan Wrigley:</strong> Oh, no. No, no, no. Sorry. Yeah.</p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">[00:28:13] <strong>Elliott Richmond:</strong> But there’s the structure, let’s say. And sometimes I do word for word. But if I go off piste, if I’m recording, I’m like, yeah, I’m just going brush over that. It’s not that important. 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rich language.'),(10314,29,355050,357929,NULL,'It is written in four or five scripts.'),(10315,29,358520,391460,NULL,'I don\'t think the kind of richness that Konkani has, no other language in India has, I think, at the moment, because so many scripts, so many variations in Konkani, then the roots that its structure is fed by many other things, not only Portuguese, Marathi also, and interestingly Oraon and Munda languages as well, tribal languages.'),(10316,29,394030,404760,NULL,'And so this has generated an interest–I was already working on multilingual education and multicultural education–to try and see if I can research Konkani.'),(10317,29,404940,417530,NULL,'And I think Konkani is also the only language for which its language speakers politically struggle to make it the state language.'),(10318,29,418700,431430,NULL,'There have been reactionary struggles like in Tamil Nadu not to have Hindi, but for a strong political struggle, that it should become our state language.'),(10319,29,433080,445189,NULL,'It has been and yet there is not too much written about ... there is somewhat in fact, that is an interesting part, that in Goa, there\'s a lot of research, which is not accessible to many of us.'),(10320,29,445689,461849,NULL,'And another interesting part also is–I\'m talking about my current history because I\'m at the moment, very engrossed in that–part is that Portuguese colonialism has been very different from British colonialism.'),(10321,29,462590,473450,NULL,'And all of us, including my father and others here, have grown up thinking British colonialism as the only or the major colonialism.'),(10322,29,474450,478320,NULL,'So that\'s another aspect that I\'ve been looking at.'),(10323,29,478320,488000,NULL,'And all of these interests and my present engagements have been fed by the experiences that I have had.'),(10324,29,489060,505869,NULL,'I talked about community, about gender which has also been very interesting that my paternal grandmother, she was widow when my father was only 14 and she, at that time, was a legal medical practitioner.'),(10325,29,508560,529320,NULL,'Which means that as a woman in the Hyderabad Nizam\'s court, she was practicing as a medical practitioner and she was able to, as a widow, educate my father, send him to Britain to do the ICS exam and to do a post graduation there.'),(10326,29,533360,547310,NULL,'And my maternal grandparents were settled here in Madhya Pradesh, but they sent her to Calcutta in those times, this must have been the 1930s, to do her BA honors in English literature.'),(10327,29,548980,573940,NULL,'And yet my father did not allow my mother to work and we children often used to tell her [because she became totally an engrossed housewife and a mother and she learned music and for school education, she was trained school teacher [for school education she was trained].'),(10328,29,574370,580970,NULL,'we all used to say, why didn\'t you do something?'),(10329,29,581440,582780,NULL,'Why didn\'t you continue working?'),(10330,29,583050,584472,NULL,'She said, it was not possible at that time.'),(10331,29,584472,593809,NULL,'So with that background, I didn\'t have to struggle much about gender.'),(10332,29,593819,606000,NULL,'It was never a question wherever I wanted to study because also being the youngest, some struggles had been already undertaken by my oldest siblings, like marrying into another community.'),(10333,29,606440,614740,NULL,'My sister has married a Hindu, my brother has married a Hindu, but again, upper caste.[ I have married a person from a muslim family - though neither of us believe n organised religion]'),(10334,29,614790,621870,NULL,'So my father in a sense was very practically, my sister was very young when she wanted to get married.'),(10335,29,622460,629479,NULL,'So he said, you cannot get married before you are 18 and after you are 18, I cannot stop you from getting married.'),(10336,29,631659,633979,NULL,'He had that kind of practical sense.'),(10337,29,634589,639959,NULL,'So I never ever felt [discriminated] ... I went to a private school.'),(10338,29,640170,648276,NULL,'My siblings went to government schools because my father was posted at the district level at that time, they all studied in government schools.'),(10339,29,648600,655310,NULL,'At high school level, some of them also were enrolled in private mission schools.'),(10340,29,655330,659630,NULL,'So I had all my education in a private school.'),(10341,29,659630,662839,NULL,'And then I wanted to go to Delhi to study economics.'),(10342,29,662849,665400,NULL,'So there was no resistance.'),(10343,29,665680,679750,NULL,'Of course, there was a pressure from my sister to become an engineer because it would give me a better career, but my parents were not particularly career conscious or [forced] that you must do this or that.'),(10344,29,682120,687645,NULL,'And the other thing is also that my father mixed with a lot of [different kind of people] people.'),(10345,29,687650,699230,NULL,'He liked mixing, in fact, one part of our socializing was elite and another part was very down to earth [ordinary]'),(10346,29,699230,716629,NULL,'. After he retired, [I sometimes think about that,] he had bought some land before he retired a few years before he retired, agricultural land and he actually stayed in the village, where he had bought the land.'),(10347,29,716799,720550,NULL,'It was not too far from Bhopal, so he would come [to Bhopal] at weekends.'),(10348,29,720750,742890,NULL,'But at that age to live in a one room house, all by himself, because my mother said, I cannot stay [ in a village] She was in fact more sort of proper, and she\'s the one, when my daughter was born, she said, you should give up your job.'),(10349,29,743570,744351,NULL,'You should look after your daughter.'),(10350,29,744351,768699,NULL,'So this whole issue of gender, it\'s not only education that opens you out to[it] , in other very subtle ways later on, I realized that there was a strong gender aspect and is a strong gender aspect in our family and our social circles.'),(10351,29,769210,780892,NULL,'The only thing I felt while growing up was - the only concern that I had, which my brothers didn\'t, was I must come back before dark.'),(10352,29,780892,781709,NULL,'Whereas, for them, there was…they had to come back by dinner time.'),(10353,29,781709,786243,NULL,'If they were coming even after that, if they were going out to dinner, then they just had to inform that we\'ll come back late.'),(10354,29,786243,786483,NULL,'So apart from that, education and whatever we wanted to do was not so much of a question.'),(10355,29,786483,828059,NULL,'Because I think that my getting drawn to this kind of work and staying in smaller kind of places was also influenced by my father\'s lifestyle and ability to do some of these things.'),(10356,29,828059,840020,NULL,'So I went to Delhi, I did my BA honors in economics and I had not taken economics [earlier] . I did science in high school and I could have joined engineering, but didn\'t.'),(10357,29,840860,846346,NULL,'One of the things was also, we had this impression that the science people have to work much harder.'),(10358,29,846346,850720,NULL,'So if one went into humanities, it would be easier.'),(10359,29,850930,852500,NULL,'It\'s not really the case.'),(10360,29,852510,855170,NULL,'Gayithri: You realize it once you are there, that it\'s not really true.'),(10361,29,855790,869160,NULL,'Anjali: When I was studying economics, what I had expected from a study of economics, that it would help me to engage with issues of development.'),(10362,29,869540,888450,NULL,'I was disappointed with the course because there was a little bit of economic history and economic development, but the Delhi University courses are heavily econometrics based, mathematics based course…was even at that time, is more so now.'),(10363,29,888940,908580,NULL,'So then after I did my graduation, then I was not very clear whether I should pursue post graduation and if so in what and what I should do and what would take me to ... and at that time, there were a number of people who were doing rural development, rural health work, and one was reading articles about them.'),(10364,29,909150,922410,NULL,'So I wanted to explore that aspect and was looking around, and it was just happenstance by which somebody I knew, connected me to Kishore Bharati, which was the organization, which set up Eklavya.'),(10365,29,925520,929289,NULL,'And they have a rural campus that\'s an organization you can visit.'),(10366,29,929870,934820,NULL,'So I visited, I stayed, I liked the people, the interactions there.'),(10367,29,935090,954330,NULL,'These are the kinds of things that draw a lot of youngsters more than the subject, even when they\'re drawn to a subject, probably seven or eight times out of 10, it\'s the teacher and the relationship with the teacher or peers who are taking the subjects.'),(10368,29,954560,960700,NULL,'So similarly, I was a young person and there was a welcoming kind of an atmosphere.'),(10369,29,962690,969559,NULL,'And I was coming with all my upper middle class biases of the poor are poor because they don\'t work kind of thing.'),(10370,29,970109,1011240,NULL,'And I still remember this one person from a village, he was also upper caste, Joshi, and there used to be these wells and pumps where we used to wash our dishes . So after dinner, one night, this conversation started and we were up till almost morning at the washing dishes place and very patiently and very sort of painstakingly also, he, with counter questioning and explanation, explained to me how the dice is loaded against the poor.'),(10371,29,1011240,1013685,NULL,'[And the poor are not poor because they’re lazy but because of a host of other things - exploitation, climate vagaries etc.]'),(10372,29,1013685,1045850,NULL,'So that was a very seminal thing in my life, changing my perspective, that I see even today in a lot of middle class and a lot of engineers and other people [who] are leaving traditional careers and going into reforming the rural area and things like that as if they know everything…because that is one of the drawing, the motivational aspects to this kind of work.'),(10373,29,1046130,1048909,NULL,'So they think that we have got very good education.'),(10374,29,1048920,1050610,NULL,'Now we must give back to society.'),(10375,29,1050610,1068080,NULL,'And so that was a very seminal [change] …which is then reflected in many of my social science texts that I wrote . So through that, one felt that one was learning a lot and it was a nice atmosphere.'),(10376,29,1068080,1082050,NULL,'And this Kishore Bharati had developed a science teaching program, which was in state schools and they were doing other ring well [ an irrigation program where the wells had concrete rings put in them to prevent them from caving in] and other kinds of work there.'),(10377,29,1082990,1098749,NULL,'And about the science program, they were seeing it had been about 10 years since they had started, or maybe seven, eight years since they had started the science program.'),(10378,29,1098749,1100350,NULL,'And it was running at a whole district level.'),(10379,29,1100870,1116770,NULL,'And the people who were working there were also conflicted in terms of interests that, are we going to be continuing to work with the government all the time and people\'s issues are much more important and so on.'),(10380,29,1117229,1128919,NULL,'So there was this very rich discussion happening of that this program is also important, but it requires another kind of effort.'),(10381,29,1129009,1134379,NULL,'And this kind of organizational structure of Kishore Bharati may not be able to sustain that.'),(10382,29,1134810,1142980,NULL,'So we should see ... and just doing science at education will not be enough for the kinds of assumptions of reforming school education.'),(10383,29,1143450,1148360,NULL,'So we need to do something differently.'),(10384,29,1148620,1157460,NULL,'And the discussion about setting up another organization was starting at the same time when I had just finished my graduation.'),(10385,29,1157820,1165550,NULL,'So though, I was not very clear of going into education from before that, I found these discussions interesting.'),(10386,29,1165580,1170139,NULL,'The other thing, it was not very long before that I had left science.'),(10387,29,1170449,1184740,NULL,'So I was definitely not interested in science education at that time, but this new opening was developing that the new organization would then work on other subjects.'),(10388,29,1185370,1189639,NULL,'And the science teaching program was at the middle school level.'),(10389,29,1190200,1198930,NULL,'So Eklavya would work on curriculum development from primary school to high school with other subjects.'),(10390,29,1199520,1206860,NULL,'So I felt that maybe there, I could contribute something since I had a social science background.'),(10391,29,1207300,1214790,NULL,'So there were many people from Delhi University who were involved, from a science background.'),(10392,29,1215139,1219240,NULL,'So they said, if you want to do anything, graduation is not enough.'),(10393,29,1219630,1221870,NULL,'You should do a post graduation as well.'),(10394,29,1222350,1229610,NULL,'So that took me to then do my post graduation after that one year\'s break from Delhi school of economics.'),(10395,29,1232280,1246760,NULL,'and while I was in Delhi school of economics, this whole discussion about setting up Eklavya used to happen in the Delhi University coffee house, because there were certain professors and their PhD students who were interested in this.'),(10396,29,1247120,1258190,NULL,'So I was regularly involved in many of those discussions and also coming to Kishore Bharati and participating in some of the trainings and things like that.'),(10397,29,1258850,1263479,NULL,'So through those discussions, I said, this is definitely worth a try.'),(10398,29,1263580,1275150,NULL,'Let me see if I can work for a year or so in social science curriculum development and let\'s see what happens and one can see.'),(10399,29,1275290,1283985,NULL,'So I started with that one year, and then I spent about 37, 38 years with Eklavya.'),(10400,29,1284140,1291269,NULL,'Of course, I\'m not a person who can stick with one thing alone for a long time.'),(10401,29,1291599,1294909,NULL,'So right from the beginning, I was always doing two or three things.'),(10402,29,1296289,1302770,NULL,'So Eklavya\'s contribution unlike what is known, because the science education program was already developed by Kishore Bharati.'),(10403,29,1302770,1318570,NULL,'So there was maybe one or two more revisions, some changes in that, but the main contributions in Eklavya were in school curriculum was in social science and in primary education.'),(10404,29,1319200,1323570,NULL,'And I was involved in the development of both.'),(10405,29,1325400,1341530,NULL,'And then the expansion of the primary education program, the social science program didn\'t expand in terms of actual field work, but then it became a resource program for other states and so on.'),(10406,29,1341530,1343110,NULL,'So I was involved in some of that.'),(10407,29,1343110,1354466,NULL,'And then later on, then I worked for teacher education and in developing new programs, the language program and multilingual program.'),(10408,29,1354466,1356520,NULL,'Also, the pre-primary education program.'),(10409,29,1356520,1376539,NULL,'Eklavya as an organization, gave space for those who wanted to ... In fact, particularly in the first 20, 25 years, in its charter itself, the way it was formulated was that, if someone has a dream and wants to do something new, there\'s a space in Eklavya.'),(10410,29,1376539,1384350,NULL,'It was not constrained in terms of, this is only what Eklavya would do.'),(10411,29,1384400,1390510,NULL,'Unfortunately, situations and society changed, so it didn\'t remain exactly the same.'),(10412,29,1391480,1405109,NULL,'Till I was there, this kind of space ... Of course, one had to struggle and argue one\'s case and so on, but that space which I find, not many organizations give.'),(10413,29,1406549,1414860,NULL,'That was my background and a little of an introduction to what I\'ve been doing.'),(10414,29,1417420,1417850,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10415,29,1418559,1424140,NULL,'More recently, what have you been working on, if you can actually tell us a little more.'),(10416,29,1425810,1439540,NULL,'Anjali: Recently, what I\'d like to talk about is that in these 30, 35, 37 years, there were phases of different focus, of work.'),(10417,29,1439540,1453609,NULL,'I would rather talk about what were the highlights of those phases, and what one learned and what were the challenges and what are the reflections on them.'),(10418,29,1454110,1454700,NULL,'Gayithri: Would love that.'),(10419,29,1455710,1463910,NULL,'Anjali: Eklavya started in \'82, and I joined from before it was registered.'),(10420,29,1464920,1471560,NULL,'The first, about 10 years were in developing the curriculum programs.'),(10421,29,1472270,1478649,NULL,'The assumption was ... The structure was like this, that we have permission from the government.'),(10422,29,1478649,1486850,NULL,'We will get permission from the government to ... The program that we develop, to try them out in the government schools.'),(10423,29,1486889,1488030,NULL,'We didn\'t have our own schools.'),(10424,29,1489160,1494609,NULL,'Then create a model and then share the learnings from that.'),(10425,29,1494609,1502050,NULL,'Then those kinds of programs then become normal mainstream programs of the government schools.'),(10426,29,1502890,1517139,NULL,'That\'s an assumption that carried us till 2002, but after that, that whole assumption was ... Then we had to reinvent ourselves.'),(10427,29,1517880,1524729,NULL,'From \'82 to 2002, one can think of it in two kind of phases.'),(10428,29,1525170,1531919,NULL,'One was the curriculum development in which it was at a very pilot stage.'),(10429,29,1531979,1535880,NULL,'Eight schools, 10 schools, 25 schools.'),(10430,29,1535880,1546219,NULL,'It was important because in situ kind of research and piloting the program was the mainstay.'),(10431,29,1546740,1558312,NULL,'In that phase, I don\'t find many people in India doing that kind of work that we did in Eklavya, in that phase, which is that there\'s a curriculum and there\'s a textbook.'),(10432,29,1558312,1559273,NULL,'Critiquing that, what is there.'),(10433,29,1559610,1565245,NULL,'Then what should be the alternative?'),(10434,29,1565279,1588899,NULL,'What the primary education program and the social science program in Eklavya did was, actually developed alternatives to the mainstream program in terms of both content and pedagogy and curriculum.'),(10435,29,1589650,1592110,NULL,'And right from the basic assumptions.'),(10436,29,1593460,1601080,NULL,'In terms of, how should language ... What do we expect from the development of language, or language in the curriculum?'),(10437,29,1601500,1604699,NULL,'What do we expect from social science in the curriculum?'),(10438,29,1605070,1612319,NULL,'What is the kind of person that a person studying this social science course should be?'),(10439,29,1613069,1632123,NULL,'I was working on, right from \'82, on critiquing, reviewing and developing alternatives to, you may have also studied, what was called civics.'),(10440,29,1632123,1642690,NULL,'I went into the history of civics, which is more of a colonial subject that, where colonial citizens need to be obedient citizens.'),(10441,29,1644460,1646790,NULL,'They have to display civic behavior.'),(10442,29,1646790,1654860,NULL,'It had already been about, more than 30 years since independence, and we still called it civics.'),(10443,29,1655560,1658280,NULL,'The content was also in the same direction.'),(10444,29,1659070,1664449,NULL,'Even today, it tends more to be in the same direction of developing disciplined citizens.'),(10445,29,1665750,1672169,NULL,'Whereas, in a democracy, it is critical citizenship that needs to be developed.'),(10446,29,1672889,1676130,NULL,'Questioning, knowing, having enough information.'),(10447,29,1676140,1677370,NULL,'What is the policy?'),(10448,29,1677600,1679230,NULL,'Is it being implemented or not?'),(10449,29,1679300,1680350,NULL,'What are the problems?'),(10450,29,1680350,1681830,NULL,'Does the policy need change?'),(10451,29,1681830,1684789,NULL,'Does the implementation program need change?'),(10452,29,1686699,1692000,NULL,'Developing that mindset among students is what should be.'),(10453,29,1692000,1697510,NULL,'It should not be called civics, it should be called a citizenship curriculum.'),(10454,29,1698230,1703310,NULL,'A critical and creative citizenship curriculum.'),(10455,29,1704280,1717230,NULL,'The elements of that, and therefore the way we looked at ... a citizen cannot even vote sensibly unless they have a reasonable understanding of economics.'),(10456,29,1718830,1722170,NULL,'What the policies are doing, like today, the farmers are struggling.'),(10457,29,1722170,1723990,NULL,'Why are they struggling?'),(10458,29,1724469,1733130,NULL,'Their group, will it benefit or will it not benefit from certain laws, and so on?'),(10459,29,1733580,1736699,NULL,'If you see our books, you can, maybe intersperse.'),(10460,29,1736700,1742290,NULL,'I\'ll send you some of the examples, sixth, seventh, and eighth.'),(10461,29,1743490,1747920,NULL,'In sixth, we started from the village and the town level, which is very concrete.'),(10462,29,1750860,1756340,NULL,'Then in class eight, there was an introduction and understanding of the national level.'),(10463,29,1759230,1769540,NULL,'This kind of understanding based on, that the children cannot immediately ... A word like democracy, they have to unpack it at that age.'),(10464,29,1778380,1800479,NULL,'Contextualizing abstract contexts and concretizing them is the kind of pedagogy that we use, not only in ... We had to continue to call it civics because the government wouldn\'t change the name, but within that we ... Now it is called something else.'),(10465,29,1800479,1802830,NULL,'It is called social and political life.'),(10466,29,1803290,1810590,NULL,'That is the kind of, post-2005, that influence came in at the national level.'),(10467,29,1810590,1829442,NULL,'In history and geography as well, the approach was contextualization, concretization into very specific things of very abstract phenomena because social science is a very abstract ... You can\'t do an experiment and learn from observing it in social science.'),(10468,29,1829442,1829497,NULL,'That was the main approach.'),(10469,29,1829497,1848240,NULL,'In doing that, one had to actually go to villages, look at our chapters, for example, farmers and laborers.'),(10470,29,1848240,1855230,NULL,'It\'s important to understand that who are the farmers who are on the streets and who are the farmers who are not.'),(10471,29,1855439,1856959,NULL,'What is the farming structure?'),(10472,29,1857450,1860710,NULL,'The marginal farmer, the agricultural laborer.'),(10473,29,1860710,1860835,NULL,'Different policies will impact different categories of a certain, this thing, differently.'),(10474,29,1860835,1881980,NULL,'Whether it\'s industry or it is agriculture, we broke them down in two categories and actually made stories.'),(10475,29,1882660,1883550,NULL,'These are not fictitious stories.'),(10476,29,1883550,1886870,NULL,'The only thing fictitious there is the name.'),(10477,29,1888610,1889090,NULL,'Names of people.'),(10478,29,1889660,1893909,NULL,'Otherwise, we actually went and found large and small and other farmers.'),(10479,29,1893950,1896100,NULL,'Talked to them, saw their experiences.'),(10480,29,1896260,1897300,NULL,'What they owned.'),(10481,29,1897670,1902580,NULL,'How they accumulated surplus or how they went into debt.'),(10482,29,1903320,1912179,NULL,'Then made it into a story which was comprehensible to a 12, 13, 14-year-old.'),(10483,29,1912179,1918290,NULL,'This pedagogical aspect, so I say ... This is not something that we took from anywhere.'),(10484,29,1918969,1935480,NULL,'For example, in the science curriculum, you find the world over, there will be very little difference in a chapter, say on volume, or on electricity, or on plants.'),(10485,29,1935480,1935550,NULL,'It\'ll-'),(10486,29,1935550,1937582,NULL,'Gayithri: Correct, or respiration, for example.'),(10487,29,1937582,1938003,NULL,'Anjali: Yeah.'),(10488,29,1938003,1938425,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10489,29,1938425,1938846,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10490,29,1938846,1962149,NULL,'Whereas, this, all our history, geography, and citizenship curricula are absolutely our own research, and written by us, revised with collaboration with teachers and experts.'),(10491,29,1962149,1967230,NULL,'In that sense it\'s a very ... Then it influenced, and we worked in, working with different states.'),(10492,29,1967230,1971509,NULL,'It\'s not that once we publish books and then those books are sold everywhere.'),(10493,29,1971959,1974709,NULL,'They cannot be because they are contextualized.'),(10494,29,1974709,1984190,NULL,'We work with teams there, who then contextualize, teams of teachers and university people, who develop similar chapters there.'),(10495,29,1984650,1989890,NULL,'I have examples of what we did in Ladakh, for example.'),(10496,29,1990370,1999870,NULL,'In Ladakh, similarly starting from their own context, then going up to the nation.'),(10497,29,2000900,2018240,NULL,'The commonality was that, for Madhya Pradesh or Rajasthan, what we did for our books, so we took some of that for the national level for them, but for the local Ladakh and Kashmir level, we had to do the research with them.'),(10498,29,2019710,2024906,NULL,'Also, this helped us develop a frame of social science curriculum development.'),(10499,29,2024906,2025123,NULL,'That was a very rich period.'),(10500,29,2025160,2041740,NULL,'Then the second period was \'95 to 2002 when the nation was seeing through the DPEP.'),(10501,29,2041890,2049980,NULL,'From the District Primary Education Program, there was a lot of controversy, also about foreign funding coming in, and things.'),(10502,29,2049980,2059170,NULL,'It gave an opportunity because the main aspect of that was to decentralize curriculum development and build capacities in states.'),(10503,29,2061090,2067170,NULL,'Otherwise, the NCERT textbooks are only adapted into the state textbooks being a concurrent, this thing.'),(10504,29,2067180,2073174,NULL,'If the state makes their own textbooks, the quality is not well-researched and things.'),(10505,29,2073799,2086809,NULL,'\'95 to 2002, lots of states, we designed their curriculum and so did Madhya Pradesh.'),(10506,29,2086809,2101580,NULL,'That was a very rich phase for us, because again, you see, Eklavya has been the only non-government organization which has had the permission to develop curricula in government schools.'),(10507,29,2101750,2108129,NULL,'Lots of organizations, today work with government schools, but they don\'t have their separate curriculum.'),(10508,29,2108740,2116710,NULL,'Now this may not be the best thing to do, but I\'m just sharing that, that was a situation which allowed us to do a lot of things.'),(10509,29,2121000,2144400,NULL,'In other states, people would work with the teachers there for a state, kind of ... It was not at the ... In this \'95 to 2000 phase, what happened in terms of a systemic change, at least for that period was that it was not only Eklavya, even the SCERT itself, it didn\'t come up with textbooks for across the states.'),(10510,29,2145580,2151908,NULL,'It also took an experimental area, of a block of 200 schools where they developed their curriculum and tried it out.'),(10511,29,2151908,2152098,NULL,'We developed our curriculum and we tried it out.'),(10512,29,2152120,2171040,NULL,'Then we sat together and discussed each other\'s experiences, and together then made something else.'),(10513,29,2171940,2173820,NULL,'Selected some from here, some from there.'),(10514,29,2174160,2176100,NULL,'Worked on the exercises and so on.'),(10515,29,2176680,2180549,NULL,'That kind of process didn\'t happen in any other state.'),(10516,29,2181120,2192170,NULL,'From experiment, the culture of doing experimentation and then instituting it across the state, that was attempted in'),(10517,29,2193410,2204760,NULL,'... A certain transparency was also brought because even the SCERT had to present its findings and its experiences to national experts, and so did we.'),(10518,29,2205850,2208009,NULL,'That was a very, very rich period.'),(10519,29,2208009,2223420,NULL,'Unfortunately, it has not been documented because mostly, we doers are very bad documenters, and some other researchers have to do the ... Now we are trying to be that as well.'),(10520,29,2223430,2232970,NULL,'That was till 2002 when the government decided that this special permission of an NGO working in this thing, we will not allow.'),(10521,29,2232970,2235460,NULL,'We will have only one.'),(10522,29,2235460,2236509,NULL,'It was a pushback.'),(10523,29,2236580,2244179,NULL,'That experimental culture, all finished in a jiffy after those five, seven years.'),(10524,29,2247549,2249195,NULL,'Then we had to also reinvent ourselves that, if we don\'t have that ... Our whole assumption, our organizational assumption was gone.'),(10525,29,2249195,2249569,NULL,'What do we look at?'),(10526,29,2265509,2266750,NULL,'We went through two years of mandan, and looking at ourselves.'),(10527,29,2266770,2269600,NULL,'During that time, publishing a lot of children\'s literature.'),(10528,29,2270720,2278879,NULL,'That\'s when the out-of-school support came up, because we had also realized that ... Before that, the assumption was that school is enough.'),(10529,29,2279789,2284459,NULL,'If we reform schools ... When you talk about inclusion, then everybody\'s included.'),(10530,29,2284619,2286130,NULL,'All children will come to school.'),(10531,29,2286369,2303050,NULL,'They\'re not in school because they\'re bored of school or they\'re not learning in school, which is an assumption, now we know it is a lot to do with caste and with economics and things like that, and discrimination that, children are pushed out of school.'),(10532,29,2303870,2311760,NULL,'Those things, in this first 20 years, we had not looked at caste or pushing out factors or anything at all.'),(10533,29,2312200,2318400,NULL,'We were into our own bubble of curriculum development, a worthwhile exercise.'),(10534,29,2318559,2327730,NULL,'I don\'t look back and say, \"Oh, we wasted our life,\" because that also is a very important aspect, but not enough.'),(10535,29,2328580,2328860,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10536,29,2330170,2330430,NULL,'Anjali: Yeah.'),(10537,29,2330480,2330780,NULL,'Tell me.'),(10538,29,2331170,2331390,NULL,'Gayithri: No, no.'),(10539,29,2331810,2332680,NULL,'Please continue.'),(10540,29,2336990,2350602,NULL,'Anjali: That\'s when we found that the culture of, during this period from \'95 to 2002 when we were working in Shahpur Block, which is a tribal block, we found, because then there was pressure on us to do a control and experimental sample evaluation.'),(10541,29,2350602,2364710,NULL,'We found that the influence of our work in government schools, because we were not able to impact.'),(10542,29,2365690,2375149,NULL,'We didn\'t have control over the government system in terms of the selection or the criteria for making teachers work, or children to become regular in class, and so on.'),(10543,29,2376729,2382730,NULL,'We were only working on curriculum and its implementation.'),(10544,29,2384930,2386355,NULL,'There was not very much difference.'),(10545,29,2386540,2391200,NULL,'There were good teachers in control schools and there were good teachers in our school.'),(10546,29,2392059,2405650,NULL,'Then we found this pattern of irregularity, particularly among the poor and the lower caste, and that element of exclusion.'),(10547,29,2405650,2413499,NULL,'At the same time, organizations like MVF were also working on child labor, and getting child labor back into schools.'),(10548,29,2413819,2416560,NULL,'There were other organizations in the south, working with Dalits.'),(10549,29,2420250,2423270,NULL,'Also, in a sense, Paulo Freire.'),(10550,29,2423270,2429050,NULL,'No, not Paulo Freire, I\'m forgetting the writer\'s name, but Letter to a Teacher.'),(10551,29,2430910,2433800,NULL,'That influenced me personally, a lot.'),(10552,29,2434260,2439700,NULL,'When students say that, \"We are ready to learn all the time, but teachers are not available.\"'),(10553,29,2441530,2452220,NULL,'That out-of-school time, particularly with a dysfunctional school, it increases the underprivileged of, and the marginalization of the underprivileged.'),(10554,29,2455030,2468140,NULL,'This out-of-school support or the post-school, kind of time, either in the morning or the afternoon, that what middle class children get from the home, that was lacking.'),(10555,29,2468150,2477940,NULL,'Again, there the conflict becomes much less because in government schools, one of the comparisons would be that your curriculum is bad.'),(10556,29,2478170,2490960,NULL,'It is just making children play and all that, because there\'s some other curriculum elsewhere, and people are becoming engineers and doctors from there.'),(10557,29,2491320,2496620,NULL,'Populations can\'t see, parents can\'t see that kind of abstraction.'),(10558,29,2496950,2499139,NULL,'Whatever it is, everywhere it should be the same.'),(10559,29,2499250,2502820,NULL,'If your curriculum is there, then why don\'t you make it across the state?'),(10560,29,2503270,2505680,NULL,'Why only in these few schools?'),(10561,29,2505680,2515590,NULL,'In out-of-school support, there was lot of community support that, children are learning, we\'ll send them.'),(10562,29,2515590,2517480,NULL,'Community involvement was much more.'),(10563,29,2519969,2524990,NULL,'We avoided this kind of conflict as well that, \"What are you doing in out-of-school support?\"'),(10564,29,2525200,2526440,NULL,'because that was an extra.'),(10565,29,2526860,2527140,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10566,29,2527300,2532220,NULL,'Anjali: Also, on hindsight, I find, and one of your questions dealt with that.'),(10567,29,2533080,2540379,NULL,'That, as civil society our space is really in that non-systemic-'),(10568,29,2542839,2543039,NULL,'Gayithri: Setting.'),(10569,29,2543069,2565180,NULL,'... Anjali: kind of setting, because if we want to reform the government school system, then somewhere we need to get into the government school system, either through universities and research or through becoming a teacher and then a teacher educator and teacher education institutions, and forming a lobby there.'),(10570,29,2566490,2570799,NULL,'For example, in the U.S., The U.S Maths Teachers\' Association.'),(10571,29,2571070,2574039,NULL,'It\'s their curriculum which no state can avoid.'),(10572,29,2575280,2587249,NULL,'It\'s not a state ... Whatever they develop as a curriculum, it may not be instituted as is in a particular state, but no state can ignore it.'),(10573,29,2587660,2595009,NULL,'They have to look at it, and it becomes a lobbying point which teachers as professionals have done.'),(10574,29,2595319,2599740,NULL,'Becoming a teacher yourself, none of us are teachers in the NGO sector.'),(10575,29,2600040,2606900,NULL,'Becoming a teacher yourself, then developing professional bodies of teachers or teacher educators.'),(10576,29,2607299,2617150,NULL,'Then over 20, 25 years the system will improve if that is sustained over 20, 25 years.'),(10577,29,2617330,2622200,NULL,'This coming from outside and doing some curriculum development.'),(10578,29,2622200,2626029,NULL,'We also worked for more than 20 years, but it doesn\'t have the same impact.'),(10579,29,2626609,2629430,NULL,'Because the accountability of the system goes.'),(10580,29,2632109,2634576,NULL,'They don\'t own the curriculum.'),(10581,29,2634576,2634687,NULL,'That is my personal reflection.'),(10582,29,2634710,2637820,NULL,'I\'m sure many of my colleagues even wouldn\'t agree.'),(10583,29,2637820,2656350,NULL,'Some of them may agree, and whereas if we developed this out-of-school curriculum ... For me, like Letter to a Teacher and other very inspirational aspect which I follow even now is The Wallace Foundation in the U.S.'),(10584,29,2656570,2658009,NULL,'I don\'t know if you\'ve come across it.'),(10585,29,2658189,2658509,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10586,29,2658740,2659240,NULL,'We have.'),(10587,29,2659299,2659680,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10588,29,2659680,2682980,NULL,'Anjali: They work in this out-of-school and the arts space, and developing leadership in schools and supporting systemic ... Developing them into systems, because then we realized that we were suffering from the same maladies of the government school system because we don\'t have people.'),(10589,29,2683790,2696810,NULL,'When we recruit someone to teach in the post-school time, then we will have some very good teachers and we\'ll have some indifferent ones just like in the government school system.'),(10590,29,2697230,2699570,NULL,'It\'s a culture which generates that.'),(10591,29,2700009,2704310,NULL,'Whereas, when we were only working with the government school system, we were blaming the government school teachers that, they don\'t work, and so on.'),(10592,29,2707650,2711439,NULL,'This, developing this system is much harder work.'),(10593,29,2711440,2712850,NULL,'It\'s not only curriculum development.'),(10594,29,2713090,2714330,NULL,'It\'s much harder work.'),(10595,29,2717289,2723390,NULL,'You have to develop the system, you have to implement it, you have to keep quality control, and no one organization can do it on their own.'),(10596,29,2723550,2725730,NULL,'The network of organizations is required.'),(10597,29,2725730,2740823,NULL,'That is a whole new phase which, in the present circumstances in India, maybe these kinds of opportunities will come back again, in another few years\' time, or some other balance will come in.'),(10598,29,2740823,2749410,NULL,'At the moment there doesn\'t seem to be opportunity to do that kind of work, at the moment.'),(10599,29,2752369,2758150,NULL,'Last thing during this phase was also a lot of work that we did in teacher education.'),(10600,29,2758360,2760660,NULL,'I personally did, too.'),(10601,29,2761440,2766344,NULL,'This is something, particularly pre-service teacher education, we had neglected.'),(10602,29,2766344,2782679,NULL,'We had, in fact the science people and others would say at that time that the pre-service teacher education doesn\'t really do much in practice.'),(10603,29,2783539,2787349,NULL,'It\'s in-service, and you have to do it with the curriculum.'),(10604,29,2788760,2789829,NULL,'It is actually both.'),(10605,29,2789829,2793170,NULL,'When you change a curriculum and textbooks, you have to do.'),(10606,29,2793170,2812670,NULL,'That\'s why it\'s now called professional development, which is both pre-service and in-service, but both going in tandem, because the kind of pre-service education which develops a good teacher.'),(10607,29,2812880,2823764,NULL,'One, it should be for a minimum ... It should be at a university level for a minimum of four years, the argument I\'ve given in some of the teacher education institutes.'),(10608,29,2824029,2832010,NULL,'They themselves, the teacher educators and policymakers themselves say, \"Arrey do saal se zyada kya teachers banane mein karenge?\"'),(10609,29,2832040,2841970,NULL,'Once I gave this argument that, \"In making an engineer, you\'re willing to spend four to five years, who deals with totally inanimate objects.'),(10610,29,2843160,2866130,NULL,'For a doctor who only deals with the body of a person, you are willing to spend eight, 10 years to make a doctor, but a person who, day in and day out is dealing with the lives of 30, 40, 50 children, you are not willing to invest in even a post-graduate.\"'),(10611,29,2868070,2876869,NULL,'Proper graduation, the primary school teacher here, with a D.Ed is ... Now things are changing in policy.'),(10612,29,2876870,2883959,NULL,'I was part of that as well, the NCTE, The National Council of Teacher Education Curriculum Framework Development.'),(10613,29,2883959,2897099,NULL,'As policy, it has come in that teachers must have four-year graduate-level education to become a teacher, but implementation will take time and commitment.'),(10614,29,2897159,2901250,NULL,'Let\'s see how that goes.'),(10615,29,2901250,2909656,NULL,'Earlier, it was post-school two years and you become a primary school teacher eligible to teach up till class five.'),(10616,29,2910100,2919440,NULL,'And so with those teachers, if you develop a very good curriculum and materials, they are not able to.'),(10617,29,2919910,2923240,NULL,'If you were in their place, you would not be able to teach that curriculum properly.'),(10618,29,2923490,2929700,NULL,'They have no resources to be able to improvise off hand.'),(10619,29,2929750,2929840,NULL,'Gayithri: Modify.'),(10620,29,2930620,2930790,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10621,29,2931099,2931599,NULL,'Anjali: Yeah.'),(10622,29,2931599,2933259,NULL,'And they don\'t have the...'),(10623,29,2933259,2945699,NULL,'They’ve not been sort of invested into, have the wherewithal to be able to make those choices as well, because that is what a three to four-year, five-year...'),(10624,29,2949499,2962260,NULL,'And everywhere, we talk about Finland and we talk about Cuba, everywhere graduate or postgraduate for four, five, six-years education is what is required to make a good even pre-primary school teacher.'),(10625,29,2963950,2965200,NULL,'So unless that investment...'),(10626,29,2965610,2972070,NULL,'And we didn\'t do that at that time.'),(10627,29,2972100,2982440,NULL,'Today also, the structure of Eklavya doesn\'t allow it to become for example, but there are other universities, universities are taking up those courses, that is happening in India.'),(10628,29,2982910,2992870,NULL,'So that was the post 2002, and many of us have been working on teacher education.'),(10629,29,2993060,3002549,NULL,'I myself was involved in the MA education course, which was developed and it\'s still going though it has its hiccups.'),(10630,29,3003099,3022220,NULL,'It\'s a dual mode course that\'s I think till now, as far as I know in India, that\'s the only dual mode course, which is the residential program happens for six weeks in a year and the rest is through online assignments.'),(10631,29,3022220,3040840,NULL,'And so developing some of the papers in that course and teaching parts of a paper, I was involved in that process, because that\'s the only good, I would say, teacher educators course, an MA in education.'),(10632,29,3041600,3045860,NULL,'The M.Ed courses somehow become very mechanical.'),(10633,29,3046600,3052100,NULL,'So a good M.Ed course, I\'m not very aware of.'),(10634,29,3052130,3062550,NULL,'This issue of M.Ed and MA education, because unless you have good teacher educators based in universities, you\'re not going to be able to develop good teachers.'),(10635,29,3062850,3067009,NULL,'So that to me is the major challenge for the system.'),(10636,29,3068190,3082920,NULL,'And for culture and for out of school support, I think there\'s a huge, huge space there which needs to be occupied by people and organizations like us.'),(10637,29,3084870,3085180,NULL,'And-'),(10638,29,3086150,3086400,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10639,29,3086400,3086640,NULL,'No.'),(10640,29,3086640,3087869,NULL,'Thanks a lot for sharing.'),(10641,29,3087889,3098970,NULL,'This was definitely a lot, and thanks for condensing it within the time that we have to be able to really speak to some of these.'),(10642,29,3100509,3143399,NULL,'And of course, one thing that comes to my mind and we also wanted to talk about this is how do you see that all of this work kind of touched the underprivileged or the marginalized, be it your work in critical citizenship education, or be it your work in curriculum development, or even with teachers when you were trying to build their capacity to build these systems of support, how do you see that this was interacting and maybe benefiting the marginalized in these contexts?'),(10643,29,3143400,3154340,NULL,'Anjali: So one example I would take from our Shahpur experience, which is tribal block.'),(10644,29,3154880,3164130,NULL,'And the nature of the curriculum, our primary school curriculum had a lot of hands-on work in which...'),(10645,29,3164550,3177910,NULL,'And again, the contextualization, then children found their lives represented in the classroom and could associate better with that.'),(10646,29,3177910,3209100,NULL,'So the children who could come to school and be regular, and the underprivileged and the more sort of suppressed classes, they found some voice in that through our trainings with teachers, which would sensitize and talk about some of these issues of the children who may seem slow, how to connect with them, how to be more empathetic and things like that.'),(10647,29,3209720,3219470,NULL,'So the teachers who became like that through our interactions, their students definitely were impacted.'),(10648,29,3219850,3231859,NULL,'The other thing is that we also had, I didn\'t talk about the evaluation part, the examination part of our curriculum that was a very crucial thing.'),(10649,29,3231870,3249920,NULL,'We also had permission to hold different examinations, that the question paper, even the structure, for example, in many schools, you don\'t have a separate practical exam, but right from the science program, there was a separate practical exam.'),(10650,29,3249940,3252080,NULL,'In social science, we didn\'t propose also.'),(10651,29,3252080,3262800,NULL,'We couldn\'t figure out what could be practical in that, but in both science and in all our programs, it used to be first of all an open book exam.'),(10652,29,3263470,3267770,NULL,'So there was not so much pressure to memorize.'),(10653,29,3267770,3290250,NULL,'Now, in the science program, it was just to remove that pressure because there was no referencing with the open book, no referencing kind of question, that open page so and so, is something that we did for the social science program.'),(10654,29,3291190,3302136,NULL,'Maybe I\'ll try and send you some of the video clips that I have if you\'d like to put in some of that in the final video.'),(10655,29,3302136,3305149,NULL,'So that was an aspect.'),(10656,29,3305179,3310490,NULL,'So in the primary education, we had a practical and an oral exam as well.'),(10657,29,3311420,3336540,NULL,'So what started happening, which became one of the reasons for resistance in the local area, because as you might be aware, in tribal areas also, there are small populations of upper caste people who are in the dominating position.'),(10658,29,3337400,3338300,NULL,'Gayithri: Privileged position.'),(10659,29,3338540,3338670,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10660,29,3338750,3339120,NULL,'Anjali: Yeah.'),(10661,29,3339510,3339850,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10662,29,3340080,3350040,NULL,'So they would take the higher numbers and the ranks in the merit list and things, children of their society.'),(10663,29,3350590,3362100,NULL,'And because of this oral and practical exam, the composition of marks was such that some of the tribal students started coming up.'),(10664,29,3364100,3364965,NULL,'And that became a challenge.'),(10665,29,3364965,3366940,NULL,'They said that this...'),(10666,29,3367450,3374150,NULL,'So when such a thing happens, the main thing is the standard of this exam has gone down.'),(10667,29,3376390,3380550,NULL,'So it is letting mediocre students come up.'),(10668,29,3380550,3383199,NULL,'Same arguments as they have in the reservation.'),(10669,29,3383739,3401049,NULL,'So that is another thing the underprivileged got to voice their writing because we didn\'t emphasize so much on correct spellings and a certain kind of grammar, but more on expression.'),(10670,29,3402020,3410475,NULL,'So we got some, we still get some very beautiful expressions, which many of our class\' children, you can see that the expression will be quite stinted.'),(10671,29,3410475,3425240,NULL,'Whereas in some of these people, what is it called, the metaphors that they use and the experiences that they use, they really enrich that.'),(10672,29,3425650,3443470,NULL,'So particularly in expression, also in social sciences, because we gave different kinds of questions, which were open ended, so gave much more freedom for expression than they were referencing question.'),(10673,29,3443970,3450650,NULL,'So to that extent through the curriculum, they were impacted.'),(10674,29,3451200,3464959,NULL,'But in terms of taking causes of marginalization and exploitation upfront, it was not possible to do it in the system.'),(10675,29,3465440,3470009,NULL,'It requires a political framework within which you can do it.'),(10676,29,3471080,3489130,NULL,'So if it is say a dalit organization setting up their out of school support, and there are a few organizations who work solely with DNTs or tribals or Dalits.'),(10677,29,3489740,3497669,NULL,'And their expressions, again, their lives, their expressions, there\'s much more freedom of what can come out.'),(10678,29,3498210,3538920,NULL,'So again, the argument I was making for our kind of people working in that out of school space, perhaps we could directly influence the lives of the marginalized in an out of school space more than we did through the schools, because after privatization and increasing privatization, also, what has been happening is that government schools are left mostly only with dalit and tribal students, particularly boys, and some girls, whereas the teachers continue to be upper caste.'),(10679,29,3539150,3554450,NULL,'In that, again, you had mentioned, maybe I can respond to that issue here, the studies that we did on inclusion and exclusion and on teachers, and what are the findings in that, and how...'),(10680,29,3554800,3563440,NULL,'So generally, you\'ll find people in the middle class saying, arrey kahan abhi, there\'s no caste discrimination now and things like that.'),(10681,29,3564320,3568670,NULL,'So this is what we captured in the inclusion and exclusion study.'),(10682,29,3569220,3584050,NULL,'And so one is that, that is when we found that there were hardly any upper castes, in some schools, absolutely none in the government schools.'),(10683,29,3584050,3588220,NULL,'Gayithri: Anjali, just to back up a little, can you tell a little about the study and then...'),(10684,29,3588930,3589150,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10685,29,3589150,3590070,NULL,'That would be helpful.'),(10686,29,3590070,3590399,NULL,'Thank you.'),(10687,29,3590399,3590405,NULL,'Anjali: So this was a national study.'),(10688,29,3590405,3601320,NULL,'Both of these were national studies done in five or six states in India with a common design, a common framework.'),(10689,29,3602010,3606010,NULL,'The first one was one on inclusion and exclusion.'),(10690,29,3606510,3610259,NULL,'So what are the school practices actually on the ground?'),(10691,29,3610599,3622696,NULL,'And are they providing equal space or are they still discriminatory?'),(10692,29,3622696,3623063,NULL,'And if they\'re discriminatory, then in what ways?'),(10693,29,3623063,3626130,NULL,'So in that, when you don\'t have...'),(10694,29,3626150,3630799,NULL,'The sample was in Madhya Pradesh, we did in four blocks.'),(10695,29,3631150,3648529,NULL,'Actually went to about five schools in four blocks selected by purposive sampling, and found what was happening in school.'),(10696,29,3648560,3654279,NULL,'So a whole day\'s observation from before assembly till after school closed.'),(10697,29,3654690,3654930,NULL,'Gayithri: Got it.'),(10698,29,3654970,3662350,NULL,'Anjali: So observing both the informal spaces, the midday meals, and the in classroom processes-'),(10699,29,3662350,3662670,NULL,'Gayithri: Practices.'),(10700,29,3663170,3663360,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10701,29,3663360,3671050,NULL,'... Anjali: and also generating some situations in which the responses would show some of those things.'),(10702,29,3671050,3683729,NULL,'So since we had been working in curriculum all this while, it was also very rich learning experience for us, how to do this kind of a study and do multi-'),(10703,29,3684789,3685129,NULL,'Gayithri: Site.'),(10704,29,3685240,3694350,NULL,'... Anjali: multimodal kind of study, not just questionnaires, but questionnaires, group discussions, observations, activities, and then put them together.'),(10705,29,3694350,3707059,NULL,'So the first thing we found is that, how do we look at discrimination when the upper caste are not there at all?'),(10706,29,3707979,3707999,NULL,'So-'),(10707,29,3707999,3708429,NULL,'Gayithri: Rather the lower caste are not there at all.'),(10708,29,3708429,3711082,NULL,'The marginalized are not even on the table?'),(10709,29,3711082,3711442,NULL,'Anjali: No.'),(10710,29,3711442,3712886,NULL,'In the government schools.'),(10711,29,3712886,3715580,NULL,'Gayithri: Oh, in the student population.'),(10712,29,3716770,3717130,NULL,'Got it.'),(10713,29,3718500,3718670,NULL,'Got it.'),(10714,29,3718670,3722880,NULL,'Anjali: This is only in government schools, so that was a limitation of the study.'),(10715,29,3722910,3727630,NULL,'We did not have it in the design.'),(10716,29,3727680,3736530,NULL,'I mean, we raised that issue, but it\'s much more difficult to get permission from private schools to do this study.'),(10717,29,3736530,3741310,NULL,'So in the government schools now, there are only marginalized castes and tribes left.'),(10718,29,3742199,3743980,NULL,'So then how do we see?'),(10719,29,3744139,3748028,NULL,'So in some schools where there were OBCs, so one could see because there\'s that brahminism across caste.'),(10720,29,3748028,3748054,NULL,'It\'s a mobilizational aspect.'),(10721,29,3748054,3748157,NULL,'But the OBCs would practice untouchability with the dalits in the school where there were OBCs.'),(10722,29,3748157,3755238,NULL,'So they would, particularly in the midday meal, they would bring their own food.'),(10723,29,3755238,3757255,NULL,'They would not have the midday meal which the dalit children were having.'),(10724,29,3757255,3767579,NULL,'Sometimes there were issues of who\'s cooking the food.'),(10725,29,3781910,3783890,NULL,'Then also what water people drink, who brings the water.'),(10726,29,3784779,3788160,NULL,'If the teacher wants water, then who brings the water.'),(10727,29,3788480,3790819,NULL,'So all these got captured.'),(10728,29,3791179,3809670,NULL,'And also the toilet issue, because government has spent crores and crores of rupees building toilets, and toilets are important particularly for females teachers the whole day there and students also.'),(10729,29,3810099,3818623,NULL,'But the toilets are built in most of the schools, in very few schools were they functional, because who would clean them then.'),(10730,29,3818623,3821339,NULL,'And there was no...'),(10731,29,3821499,3826800,NULL,'I mean, from the maintenance fund, they would probably employ dalits to do it.'),(10732,29,3827350,3836700,NULL,'So then sometimes they would make dalit students do that, to do the cleaning of the toilets.'),(10733,29,3837730,3840860,NULL,'So these three or four sites we found.'),(10734,29,3841380,3846720,NULL,'And then of course, how they\'re seated in class, who gets more opportunity to respond.'),(10735,29,3846929,3847199,NULL,'So the report is there.'),(10736,29,3849329,3857830,NULL,'So these aspects we found, this was, I think, about seven, eight years ago that we did this study.'),(10737,29,3857840,3862750,NULL,'So this was one.'),(10738,29,3862750,3865669,NULL,'And the other was similar teacher study.'),(10739,29,3867520,3878460,NULL,'This was not teacher education study, but teacher status study, because there, in the intervening period, there was a lot of para-teachers, underpaid teachers.'),(10740,29,3879139,3893035,NULL,'Now, also there are guest teachers, there are contract teachers, but now the government has categorized in the sense that they\'ve made kind of a tenure-track like you have in the US for the school teachers.'),(10741,29,3893300,3900069,NULL,'So they enter as contract teachers, but they have certain milestones in that to become permanent.'),(10742,29,3900680,3921270,NULL,'So there, we found discrimination in a roundabout kind of a way that in spite of the recruitment exams being taken, there were huge numbers of seats which were vacant.'),(10743,29,3922359,3929270,NULL,'So now what happens is, earlier what used to happen was that if the reserved seats are not-'),(10744,29,3929270,3929320,NULL,'Gayithri: Taken.'),(10745,29,3929320,3932770,NULL,'... Anjali: filled, then they would become general seats.'),(10746,29,3933520,3935150,NULL,'Now that has been disallowed.'),(10747,29,3936160,3938730,NULL,'So the seats continue to be vacant.'),(10748,29,3939589,3958600,NULL,'So particularly in science, mathematics, and English teachers for the high school level, the reserved category seats are going vacant in huge numbers, and it\'s a vicious circle.'),(10749,29,3960110,3962260,NULL,'Rural schools don\'t have those teachers.'),(10750,29,3962360,3969070,NULL,'They are not able to opt for science and mathematics, and therefore they\'re not able to qualify.'),(10751,29,3971410,4000020,NULL,'Earlier when these seats could become general seats in all professions, then some of the principals used to dissuade post class 10 tribal and dalit students from taking science, even if they had good marks, because they would want those seats to be vacant so that then they got converted into general category'),(10752,29,4001880,4009369,NULL,'So this discrimination, as time progresses, it becomes subtle.'),(10753,29,4009529,4009919,NULL,'It doesn\'t go away.'),(10754,29,4009919,4017419,NULL,'It\'ll find newer and newer ways of...'),(10755,29,4017419,4017969,NULL,'like privatization is one way.'),(10756,29,4018150,4022210,NULL,'Universalization push came before privatization.'),(10757,29,4022210,4025149,NULL,'Till the \'70s, \'80s when we started our work, there was no universalization.'),(10758,29,4025149,4030060,NULL,'There were lots and lots of children outside school.'),(10759,29,4030660,4037870,NULL,'And the landlords would say, \"If you take all these children into school, who\'s going to work on our fields?\"'),(10760,29,4038910,4047870,NULL,'Then the \'80s drive the new education policy, \'80s drive for universalization, put everybody in school, operation Blackboard.'),(10761,29,4048430,4067109,NULL,'And immediately after that, encouragement for privatization, making private schools simpler to set up and having kind of a mindset and a discourse right across that government schools don\'t work, government teachers don\'t work, or don\'t send your children to government schools.'),(10762,29,4067420,4076140,NULL,'The same people will aspire to government jobs, but not their children in the same school, the same hospitals.'),(10763,29,4076790,4087590,NULL,'So here now in Madhya Pradesh, when we started, only about 10% or less of the children went to private schools.'),(10764,29,4088140,4093010,NULL,'Now about 40% of children are going to private schools.'),(10765,29,4093720,4097229,NULL,'So that is another way of discrimination.'),(10766,29,4097229,4106499,NULL,'You have segregated populations, and they have access to better facilities and other things.'),(10767,29,4107319,4107609,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10768,29,4108520,4108790,NULL,'Yeah.'),(10769,29,4109210,4117849,NULL,'I think one thing that you mentioned, again, we just touched upon and we moved on was the room for expression.'),(10770,29,4118309,4123100,NULL,'And in that context, we know that you\'ve worked on multilingual education.'),(10771,29,4123640,4137079,NULL,'And there has also been, like, this has come up again in the recent NEP where they have emphasized on bringing the home language or decentering English as the medium of instruction.'),(10772,29,4137849,4152470,NULL,'So do you want to comment on your work in the multilingual education and how that kind of supported the marginalized voices in the learning settings?'),(10773,29,4153340,4157170,NULL,'Anjali: Again, it is to do with the movement of the discourse.'),(10774,29,4157190,4172653,NULL,'When we started, I mean, this was recognized that the medium of instruction and the school language is different from the language of a lot of marginalized children.'),(10775,29,4172653,4177630,NULL,'But the solution that was thought of at that time was mother tongue education.'),(10776,29,4178720,4188089,NULL,'That in the initial years, and that\'s what our policy also says that the people have a right for education in their mother tongue up till primary classes.'),(10777,29,4189520,4202379,NULL,'So now that creates a conflict because it is also perceived as a way of preventing mobility of the deprived classes.'),(10778,29,4202380,4206640,NULL,'So it was not multilingual education which was propagated at that time.'),(10779,29,4206809,4217030,NULL,'There was a three-language formula, but the medium being your own mother tongue, which may be an oppressed mother tongue.'),(10780,29,4218580,4223580,NULL,'Of course, then the practicality so materials and other things to be created in the mother tongue.'),(10781,29,4223580,4226450,NULL,'So that never actually got implemented.'),(10782,29,4226480,4229800,NULL,'Then you have the region language, and then you have English.'),(10783,29,4230940,4231764,NULL,'In one sense, we\'ve always had multilingual education.'),(10784,29,4231764,4238359,NULL,'We\'ve always had the three-language formula.'),(10785,29,4239529,4247950,NULL,'In policy, English as a medium was never accepted even before this policy.'),(10786,29,4249060,4251533,NULL,'But in practice, there was a...'),(10787,29,4251720,4254940,NULL,'Because mobility happens with the English.'),(10788,29,4255650,4263509,NULL,'So multilingual education actually would require multimedia of education.'),(10789,29,4263509,4281680,NULL,'And only in one place when I was studying in school, the central schools used to have a double medium of education at least in the Hindi Belt, which is social science was taught in Hindi, and science and mathematics was taught in English.'),(10790,29,4283250,4292320,NULL,'So you had a double medium, because you require some more space than only the teaching of a particular language to learn the language properly.'),(10791,29,4293920,4295720,NULL,'So that is one way.'),(10792,29,4295800,4313389,NULL,'Other things which I have seen in Hong Kong is right from pre-primary, even in the same subject, some units being taught in one language, other units in another language.'),(10793,29,4313929,4318860,NULL,'But for that, there at least, they had native speakers of that language.'),(10794,29,4320910,4334809,NULL,'For example, if certain units were to be taught in Chinese, in Mandarin, then the teacher of science was a native speaker of Mandarin.'),(10795,29,4335070,4339120,NULL,'And there would be another teacher who would be a native speaker of English, for example.'),(10796,29,4340030,4344450,NULL,'So that again requires much more resources.'),(10797,29,4346100,4347420,NULL,'So that is the bottleneck.'),(10798,29,4348250,4355709,NULL,'The new education policy, the 2020 policy, is not very clear on most of the things.'),(10799,29,4357369,4361059,NULL,'It is seeing a lot of contradictory things altogether.'),(10800,29,4361900,4389519,NULL,'So how this multilingual education is different from a three-language formula, a close reading of the policy on language does not give you a clear idea, particularly about the medium of instruction, because if they say that they will allow local languages to be...'),(10801,29,4389540,4412450,NULL,'Because there\'s an equal push for standardization of Hindi as a medium, the pressure on Hindi has increased quite a bit all over the country, and the pressure, it might also happen in the present decade, that Hindi becomes a national language when India has never had a national language.'),(10802,29,4414440,4417280,NULL,'There\'s that kind of pressure.'),(10803,29,4417610,4429980,NULL,'So with that kind of push, what is the nature of multilingual education which is actually being promoted by the NEP is not clear at all.'),(10804,29,4429980,4431890,NULL,'And where are the languages of the underprivileged?'),(10805,29,4433090,4447179,NULL,'Because when we did more recent work again in an informal space because we didn\'t get space in formal schools to work on multilingual education, we found this hierarchy of languages.'),(10806,29,4447759,4466970,NULL,'So there\'s English, then there\'s Hindi, which is our regional language in this area, then there\'s our local kind of languages, regional languages like Bundelikhandi, Nimadi, Malvi, Chhattisgarhi, these kind of languages.'),(10807,29,4467310,4474720,NULL,'And then there\'s the tribal and DNT languages, that is at the lowest, which is Gondi and Korku and Bhili and Pardhi.'),(10808,29,4478399,4485710,NULL,'So the Bhundeli and Bhojpuri and these kinds of speakers, they also promote Hindi.'),(10809,29,4487710,4495639,NULL,'They may just speak their own languages at home, but in the classroom, they don\'t allow Gondi or Pardhi speakers to express themselves.'),(10810,29,4496930,4501340,NULL,'Yeah, so is the pecking order is very clear.'),(10811,29,4501960,4510640,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah, and I think your own narratives, from where you are coming, your struggles with Konkani kinda also map that some ways.'),(10812,29,4510640,4524280,NULL,'Anjali: Yeah, and in this space where we worked, we found that the children were not necessarily...'),(10813,29,4524420,4533960,NULL,'When we put it as really multilingual education in terms of working in all languages and the acceptability became more than in mother tongue education.'),(10814,29,4534520,4535139,NULL,'Gayithri: Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(10815,29,4536170,4544549,NULL,'Anjali: So we would put it as, that yes, we teach English as well because they see us as coming from English background so that you are not learning our language.'),(10816,29,4544580,4548199,NULL,'You are telling us to learn in our own language so that you get all the cream.'),(10817,29,4548580,4549960,NULL,'Then no, we will teach English.'),(10818,29,4549960,4554230,NULL,'And then I realize that we must all, as teachers also learn their language.'),(10819,29,4555310,4566920,NULL,'So because we have a certain social status, if we start attempting to learn their language, they feel that the social status of their language is also improving.'),(10820,29,4567570,4575460,NULL,'Whereas if we don\'t learn their language and only tell them that you must preserve your language and you must also learn English, it\'s not the same thing.'),(10821,29,4575740,4584820,NULL,'So, that acceptability of own language in a multilingual framework becomes much more than in the mother-tongue education framework.'),(10822,29,4584830,4588343,NULL,'Gayithri: Valuing in what you allow students to express and be comfortable with.'),(10823,29,4588343,4598190,NULL,'Anjali: And it becomes much digital also because you find different language speakers in the classroom.'),(10824,29,4598530,4603689,NULL,'So you are learning different languages, you\'re being able to comprehend.'),(10825,29,4603700,4612170,NULL,'So one thing that I need to do at the moment, because for the last two years, I\'ve been trying to learn Portuguese on Duolingo.'),(10826,29,4612990,4617360,NULL,'And first, because there\'s a theory that, focus on one language at a time.'),(10827,29,4617360,4619890,NULL,'So for about a year I learned only Portuguese.'),(10828,29,4620370,4623369,NULL,'Then I had earlier taken an A1 course in French.'),(10829,29,4623369,4626579,NULL,'So I said, \"Let me pick that up as well.\"'),(10830,29,4626579,4631000,NULL,'And there is a certain gaming and systemic element in Duolingo.'),(10831,29,4631360,4632950,NULL,'It\'s quite interesting.'),(10832,29,4633480,4638809,NULL,'So I need to work on kind of a self-ethnographic research and that.'),(10833,29,4639230,4658930,NULL,'Because now I\'m actually doing Portuguese and French on Duolingo, and I\'ve been taking support from online classes from some Brazilian and now I\'ve joined a Goa university online class in Portuguese.'),(10834,29,4658930,4667915,NULL,'And then there\'s a WhatsApp group which has started on Konkani and whereas I\'m finding my memory and things going down at this age and all.'),(10835,29,4668180,4671270,NULL,'I\'m finding that it\'s not very difficult.'),(10836,29,4671320,4682479,NULL,'So I\'m wanting to reflect because the structures of say the European languages, Portuguese and French are pretty similar.'),(10837,29,4683379,4693759,NULL,'So maybe it\'s that reason Konkani has various aspects so when I am looking at all of these things, meta-linguistically, I\'m not finding it impossible.'),(10838,29,4695549,4700499,NULL,'So I can understand now quite a bit in Portuguese and in France.'),(10839,29,4700960,4709550,NULL,'But expression, I have to grapple because you know which one to take there also close options and things like that.'),(10840,29,4710430,4718630,NULL,'So I\'m also finding that learning a new language takes quite a bit of time, at least three years.'),(10841,29,4718630,4728639,NULL,'And particularly if you don\'t have opportunities for interacting with the language like the tribal children have.'),(10842,29,4728940,4743670,NULL,'So the empathy, learning a new language, perhaps that making it compulsory for teachers to learn a new language would also increase empathy for the students who don\'t know Hindi.'),(10843,29,4744410,4753110,NULL,'They think if they can\'t express in Hindi then, they\'re not expressing even in the third year of school education, then they\'re dumb or something.'),(10844,29,4753120,4757410,NULL,'So it\'s quite an interesting...'),(10845,29,4758730,4763580,NULL,'In a multilingual frame, you can learn multiple languages at the same time.'),(10846,29,4764080,4768159,NULL,'And particularly younger children will definitely, it won\'t be all that difficult.'),(10847,29,4768160,4773430,NULL,'But I don\'t know political and social commitment in the policy.'),(10848,29,4773560,4776090,NULL,'I\'ve not seen them taking off anywhere yet.'),(10849,29,4776570,4777660,NULL,'Gayithri: The NEP you mean?'),(10850,29,4778520,4782309,NULL,'The learning aspect of NEP.'),(10851,29,4784120,4788439,NULL,'Anjali: COVID has sort of made it problematic.'),(10852,29,4788910,4789180,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10853,29,4790700,4793550,NULL,'Anjali: The, all the online education and things like that.'),(10854,29,4794410,4794870,NULL,'So-'),(10855,29,4795600,4798166,NULL,'Gayithri: Maybe one last thing I don\'t want to take a lot of your time.'),(10856,29,4798290,4799839,NULL,'I know it\'s also time for your dinner.'),(10857,29,4802670,4807560,NULL,'What would be your comments on how some of this work has shifted due to pandemic?'),(10858,29,4808700,4810290,NULL,'What do you see on the ground?'),(10859,29,4810310,4814559,NULL,'What do you see is going on in your communities and circles of work?'),(10860,29,4817639,4839219,NULL,'... Anjali: So, one of the things is that, this fear that has taken up a lot of mental space of everybody and impacted children.'),(10861,29,4839290,4845900,NULL,'Children didn\'t get COVID poor things, but they\'ve not been able to get out, go to school.'),(10862,29,4845950,4868150,NULL,'My grandnephew got admitted in class one, he was homeschooled till class one and he got admitted in class one in 2020, just before the pandemic, the lockdown started.'),(10863,29,4869570,4871630,NULL,'And he\'s not seen a day of school.'),(10864,29,4873230,4889262,NULL,'So only online classes and the teachers have been so silly that they have not shared contacts of the students among themselves so that even offline, they make friends and things like that.'),(10865,29,4889262,4889270,NULL,'I don\'t know what is the reason for it.'),(10866,29,4889270,4897080,NULL,'So it\'s just those online classes and then clustered at home.'),(10867,29,4897080,4900340,NULL,'So it is having that kind of impact.'),(10868,29,4900840,4908640,NULL,'And at the same time, it is open this whole online, like we are interacting.'),(10869,29,4909280,4929129,NULL,'In my last quite a few years, because Eklavya structure is number of field centers and central office and so the decision making groups are spread across in different centers.'),(10870,29,4929139,4934650,NULL,'So we would then setting up meetings because all used to be physical meetings.'),(10871,29,4935520,4957049,NULL,'And I fought a losing battle that why can\'t we have more frequent 2 hour meetings on Zoom on this thing rather than innovating and the discussions also the decisions get delayed.'),(10872,29,4957490,4968159,NULL,'So no face to face, face to face hona chahiye, I said kya hoga face to face mein, koi zoom mein dekh rahe hai ya nahi bhi dekh rahe hai, aawaz sun rahe hai.'),(10873,29,4968159,4969480,NULL,'That is the main this thing.'),(10874,29,4970040,4976049,NULL,'So it didn\'t start and after the pandemic, then that is your only medium.'),(10875,29,4980509,4983020,NULL,'I don\'t know how good it\'ll be for children.'),(10876,29,4986180,4995320,NULL,'Because I was one of the more anxious and panicky types in this whole pandemic.'),(10877,29,4995419,4997220,NULL,'Others have been more relaxed.'),(10878,29,4998190,5002693,NULL,'And as one got to know more about the virus, then I also became more relaxed.'),(10879,29,5002693,5005910,NULL,'But even today, one doesn\'t know if...'),(10880,29,5006299,5010190,NULL,'Because exactly the same situation was there before the second wave.'),(10881,29,5010190,5018030,NULL,'People are traveling, having holidays, giving up on masks.'),(10882,29,5018490,5022599,NULL,'And so it\'s all up to the virus, whether it would...'),(10883,29,5022599,5035080,NULL,'But on a different this thing what the pandemic has done has really questioned our development model.'),(10884,29,5037280,5040222,NULL,'And if we continue on that, we are going to...'),(10885,29,5040350,5042920,NULL,'Like other things have become more frequent.'),(10886,29,5043640,5049940,NULL,'These kinds of pandemics may become more frequent in this kind of lifestyle.'),(10887,29,5050889,5062200,NULL,'And so this accumulation, and then the implication on education that if those two can be worked on together, what is the kind of education?'),(10888,29,5062200,5063493,NULL,'What is the kinds of careers?'),(10889,29,5063493,5065219,NULL,'What are you expecting?'),(10890,29,5065630,5082190,NULL,'People are amassing going after wealth, giving up totally on health and dying at 30 and 35 and 40, even after going to gym and everything just dropping that dead like that.'),(10891,29,5084000,5088120,NULL,'Not having even the time to enjoy the money that they earn.'),(10892,29,5088570,5097550,NULL,'So all it\'s doing is fueling the waste and the market and things like that.'),(10893,29,5097850,5105390,NULL,'So if a more self sustainable lifestyle, and an education for that, we have models for that.'),(10894,29,5105390,5106070,NULL,'We have Nai Talim and Tagore School.'),(10895,29,5108389,5111470,NULL,'If those become models of education in schools.'),(10896,29,5112290,5118200,NULL,'Because I\'m not very sure of this whole electronic waste also that we create.'),(10897,29,5119370,5132440,NULL,'I had some electronic stuff, TV, and I think I found that the resale value is nothing, it\'s become total like mud.'),(10898,29,5132440,5136810,NULL,'Raddiwaala said I\'ll give you 20 Rupees for a laptop.'),(10899,29,5140929,5151150,NULL,'So, how much of even this online we do and more small because the Mohalla classes is what worked to some extent.'),(10900,29,5151890,5163099,NULL,'So the decentralized small models where yes, and I must say this because that is again, something that I got involved post retirement.'),(10901,29,5163269,5173280,NULL,'And I felt that that is one element that should be an integral part of education, which has been neglected, is plants and plantation.'),(10902,29,5174520,5178050,NULL,'And growing food and flowers boats.'),(10903,29,5178050,5186270,NULL,'Because the very act of growing and taking that risk and feeling sad the day your plant dies and feeling happy when you see…'),(10904,29,5187930,5193480,NULL,'Like last year, I had a chili plant full of flowers, but not a single chili.'),(10905,29,5194540,5198309,NULL,'And this year I\'m getting chilies there.'),(10906,29,5198400,5200049,NULL,'And I\'m so happy.'),(10907,29,5200109,5206020,NULL,'I have a few bhindi plants, so only a few came up.'),(10908,29,5206520,5213769,NULL,'So you also observe it gives me one or two bhindis on a particular day.'),(10909,29,5214360,5217026,NULL,'So then I have to wait, I can’t make sabzi with one or two bhindis.'),(10910,29,5217240,5218639,NULL,'I need at least six or seven.'),(10911,29,5219209,5222270,NULL,'So, but it\'s my bhindi it\'s grows on my plant.'),(10912,29,5222280,5228440,NULL,'So something which I buy I\'ve kept it separately, my chilies and my this thing.'),(10913,29,5228790,5237059,NULL,'So that love for nature, actually nurturing that and, you learn so much more teachers learn so much more.'),(10914,29,5237100,5243530,NULL,'Each plant requires different amount of light, even that all my chlorophyll lesson came alive now.'),(10915,29,5245580,5250490,NULL,'Because it somehow has registered that if you keep a plant in the sun, it\'ll dry up.'),(10916,29,5251300,5255630,NULL,'So there\'s a large tree, which provides too much shade.'),(10917,29,5255670,5260120,NULL,'So my plants were not getting enough sun and the leaves were yellow.'),(10918,29,5260120,5261590,NULL,'And I said, \"What is happening in there?\"'),(10919,29,5261590,5270570,NULL,'And then somebody who was more professional said, \"Oh, it\'s not being able to make its chlorophyll because it doesn\'t have sun.\"'),(10920,29,5271040,5282360,NULL,'So this, this growing food, it\'ll also give more empathy about saving food, about not wasting it.'),(10921,29,5284049,5286849,NULL,'And it can cover half the curriculum.'),(10922,29,5287780,5300540,NULL,'Just having a garden patch in the school, your midday meals, nutritious food for midday meals and this kind of empathy.'),(10923,29,5300540,5306480,NULL,'A lot of science, all the biology part of science can be covered, a lot of mathematics.'),(10924,29,5306790,5313389,NULL,'So, if that kind of a new model of plant-based education.'),(10925,29,5314110,5338199,NULL,'When somebody\'s doing non soil and growing such beautiful stuff on his terrace on large containers, even that size of feeds and he doesn\'t take any soil, it\'s compost and ash and something and Cocopeat and no soil.'),(10926,29,5339349,5343190,NULL,'Why should I need soil to get such good plants?'),(10927,29,5343750,5347240,NULL,'So, and again, management, what to sow when.'),(10928,29,5348150,5358190,NULL,'So with these three or four I felt I like bhindis so if I can grow different plants at different times, then I\'ll get more-'),(10929,29,5358190,5358389,NULL,'Gayithri: Is it successful?'),(10930,29,5360309,5363000,NULL,'... Anjali: I think that that is the future.'),(10931,29,5363449,5372889,NULL,'It\'ll solve a lot of things that we have plant-based education and plant-based kind of life, I\'m a non vegetarian to the core.'),(10932,29,5372889,5376179,NULL,'So in my plant-based, there\'ll be animal this things also.'),(10933,29,5376179,5377549,NULL,'Gayithri: Plant by the side?'),(10934,29,5377549,5377739,NULL,'Anjali: I\'m.'),(10935,29,5378950,5392849,NULL,'Yeah, but both together, so this whole thing of climate change and other things, I think it requires a movement to do that and do away with plastics.'),(10936,29,5393179,5393429,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah.'),(10937,29,5394190,5394480,NULL,'Anjali: So-'),(10938,29,5394490,5396105,NULL,'Gayithri: Yeah, thank you so much.'),(10939,29,5396105,5398357,NULL,'... Anjali: You said you can also support.'),(10940,29,5398357,5406310,NULL,'So if you can promote this and support small endeavors, which go into small plant based kind of education.'),(10941,29,5407680,5411400,NULL,'And then disseminate their knowledges, then that would be very good.'),(10942,30,60,340,NULL,'Anita: Okay.'),(10943,30,440,6620,NULL,'So let me begin right from the start, I think.'),(10944,30,8320,21800,NULL,'I had polio when I was two years old, so you can say that I had no memory of actually having an able body as such, in that sense.'),(10945,30,22540,79836,NULL,'So whatever I know or I have known or will get to know, I think in one sense, disability has played a very, very important role in my understanding of various, you could say, perspectives, issues, people, in that sense.'),(10946,30,79836,87843,NULL,'And born to a family where they come from Partition, so I\'m also the first generational learner.'),(10947,30,87843,88839,NULL,'So, my father was about 15 or so, and mom must have been six or seven, and then they got married in \'56.'),(10948,30,88839,89025,NULL,'Just to put it in order.'),(10949,30,89025,96450,NULL,'So they were, you could say, in a poor bracket, in that particular sense.'),(10950,30,100340,110300,NULL,'And they got the place where I stay was the claim that was given by the government after Partition, in that sense.'),(10951,30,114090,122390,NULL,'And he was a very good student, but could finish matriculation in a private way.'),(10952,30,122390,130600,NULL,'And my mother couldn\'t chime in, so both lost their fathers in Pakistan itself.'),(10953,30,131680,140240,NULL,'She was two years old when she lost her father and dad lost his father when he was about eight or nine.'),(10954,30,140250,147470,NULL,'So, dependent upon others in that particular sense.'),(10955,30,147470,152269,NULL,'So, education in that particular sense for them was not like this thing.'),(10956,30,152280,178649,NULL,'So I think for us, and especially for me, having acquired a disease at that time called polio, initially of course, it began with a lot of attempts to cure, which is always the thing, which you try your best.'),(10957,30,178650,180633,NULL,'I won\'t go into details about that.'),(10958,30,180699,182279,NULL,'I\'ve written about it, of course.'),(10959,30,183390,202440,NULL,'But that is where I think for him, education became very, very important because for me to become self independent and to be on my own, I think it was very important for him to educate me.'),(10960,30,203650,207359,NULL,'And the first few years, of course, they were really trying to...'),(10961,30,208340,219890,NULL,'The cure was dependent upon lot of shamans, mystics, doctors, everything combined together, what Sudhir Kakar would always say, in that sense.'),(10962,30,219940,237529,NULL,'But after that, I think he really gave up and he said that no, studies are important, and in that sense education became the key in that sense.'),(10963,30,238210,261440,NULL,'I can’t say that I became…I was really…There was a lot of overcoming for people who were growing up like that in the \'50s, late, \'58 I was born in and \'60s or whatever.'),(10964,30,261640,268250,NULL,'\'60s, primarily polio was very, very, both in America, India, Russia, everywhere.'),(10965,30,268320,270619,NULL,'A lot of people who had this thing.'),(10966,30,273169,288870,NULL,'So in one particular sense, it was looking at it, how integrated education was something which they were looking for.'),(10967,30,289680,300540,NULL,'And it was basically, you can say in \'68, I think, the Kothari Commission report came up for education.'),(10968,30,301040,316799,NULL,'And the Kothari Commission actually said that they were, although of course they had the word called “handicapped,” which of course now we use it as a derogatory word in that sense.'),(10969,30,317250,333950,NULL,'But they had this whole thing about that they should go to a \"normal school\" and they must be integrated within that particular school for education.'),(10970,30,334620,350720,NULL,'And they always had, and this is very interesting, all these policies, whether Kothari Commission or the first education, \'86, \'92, wherever.'),(10971,30,351030,368794,NULL,'They had this whole thing about formal and informal, because they knew that they would not be able to educate everyone.'),(10972,30,368794,369370,NULL,'I think they had this whole thing where knew that they would not be able to educate everyone.'),(10973,30,370330,384510,NULL,'So when we say educate everyone, it means that even, we\'re talking about children with disabilities, they knew that they would not be able to take children who were the able body children, they would not be able to educate them.'),(10974,30,385160,387630,NULL,'They still have not educated them.'),(10975,30,387800,402740,NULL,'If you have read anything from that Professor Anil Sadgopal has done a lot of work where he used to bring in the neighborhood school systems and all that.'),(10976,30,402740,411599,NULL,'And where he used to say that how every education policy, there\'s something that is...'),(10977,30,411599,411959,NULL,'Underwriting is there.'),(10978,30,416720,417480,NULL,'They knew.'),(10979,30,417750,422680,NULL,'And they used to say that people are stupid, they don\'t understand, but it wasn\'t like that.'),(10980,30,423139,427320,NULL,'It is always because they know that this thing will happen.'),(10981,30,427679,437408,NULL,'And there is something which is unwritten out there, but which was very clear that they will not be able to get it, in that sense.'),(10982,30,437408,448090,NULL,'And they will not able to really educate, either able bodied children also and disabled children of course, is very far from there.'),(10983,30,448430,454020,NULL,'We\'ll come to that later, but very far from there, in that sense.'),(10984,30,454260,475810,NULL,'And I remember, just as an example, I\'m trying to tell you that I was in an almost you could say decent school, and the class teacher…so trying to tell you that how the attitudinal domain really played a very important role.'),(10985,30,476070,484239,NULL,'So, you know what would happen was that there were times when you had to go to the toilet and the corridor was slightly different.'),(10986,30,484400,494169,NULL,'And I had the crutches and I also had the back for–the calipers of course were there–and the back belt was also there.'),(10987,30,494319,511840,NULL,'So it was slightly difficult to, one could walk slowly and whatever, but she would, supposedly if I had to say that I had to go to the toilet, she would always think that I\'m trying to get away from the class.'),(10988,30,512740,516449,NULL,'So going to the toilet was one way of doing it.'),(10989,30,518419,533020,NULL,'And I remember once she gave me the permission when it was just in the nick of the time, and so much so that I soiled in the corridor, and then of course, there was a lady who used to help us all.'),(10990,30,533410,553160,NULL,'But this was not the end of the trauma because when I came in, she actually made the students who were there, the classmates who were there, she made them recite that, \"Shame, shame, poppy, shame, all the children know your name.\"'),(10991,30,553719,562163,NULL,'And when I came home, my parents realized what had happened.'),(10992,30,562510,575849,NULL,'He had taken me out from that school, and he said that I\'m not going to let her go into that school where such attitudes, which was a negative attitude.'),(10993,30,575849,603430,NULL,'Obviously, I was the disabled child and the other were not disabled in that particular sense, but this is something which always stays with me, that how when you teach children with disabilities, how the teaching part also, how it stigmatizes the children as well.'),(10994,30,603639,619420,NULL,'When the adults themselves have no sensitivity and no perspective where they can say that disability can happen to anyone and anytime.'),(10995,30,619430,626400,NULL,'It\'s not like only in India or only in America or only in whatever rural area.'),(10996,30,626940,628239,NULL,'It can happen to anyone.'),(10997,30,628240,629410,NULL,'It can happen to any gender.'),(10998,30,629410,633630,NULL,'It can happen to any class, any caste.'),(10999,30,633850,640980,NULL,'I would say that all these constituencies that are there, disability and disability is not like...'),(11000,30,642900,660700,NULL,'There was a time when one would think that, oh hereditary is important, that is responsible, but it isn\'t actually, because there are landmines, there are bomb blasts, there are disasters, natural, as well as manmade or whatever.'),(11001,30,661009,667069,NULL,'So, the accidents that are there in Delhi, I mean, every three minutes, there\'s an accident.'),(11002,30,668019,673949,NULL,'So you could say that disability is something which is not known.'),(11003,30,674020,679410,NULL,'I mean, disability should be known very well in that particular sense.'),(11004,30,679650,680390,NULL,'And yet.'),(11005,30,680839,695019,NULL,'And yet, I would say that the playing field, it was where they are to be put in what we call it as the special schools.'),(11006,30,695279,716380,NULL,'And I think since you read my piece on globalizing, I have discussed this sandwiching of both the integrated education or the inclusive education, they call it, and also the special education.'),(11007,30,718100,723990,NULL,'Initially it was called the social welfare and later, of course the word was empowerment.'),(11008,30,724840,731740,NULL,'So I don\'t know whether the word only changed, semantics changed or whether the life also changed.'),(11009,30,732750,734750,NULL,'I can\'t say that nothing happened.'),(11010,30,734750,748310,NULL,'Of course, lot of things that happened, but I think education per se for children with disabilities has been a serious concern, in that sense.'),(11011,30,750250,754809,NULL,'Let me say, can you tell us the story of how you came to this work?'),(11012,30,755090,757830,NULL,'So that\'s how I was trying to say that.'),(11013,30,759300,765360,NULL,'So, slowly of course it was a very overcoming, inspirational kind of a thing.'),(11014,30,765860,773090,NULL,'That, okay, fine, you must overcome disability, you must be brave, all these things were there.'),(11015,30,773230,787450,NULL,'It was only when I did my class 11, class 12 was not there at that time, class 12 was the next year after that, \'76.'),(11016,30,789049,792740,NULL,'But I went to be IP, Indraprastha College.'),(11017,30,793060,797350,NULL,'One of the very, very, oldest college and the very famous college in that sense.'),(11018,30,797860,802620,NULL,'But there the teachers were completely different.'),(11019,30,802920,825249,NULL,'Lot of sensitivity and lot of, although there were problems because I was in the hostel because they couldn\'t really, I was about, you can say about 28 kilometers from my home in Delhi, that is lot of, at that time, really a lot of distance.'),(11020,30,825570,832439,NULL,'So my parents put me in the hostel and the hostel had an Indian toilet.'),(11021,30,832980,846880,NULL,'I\'m not saying my house had a disabled friendly toilet, but my mother had a kind of a commode and something like that, where I would be comfortable in that particular sense.'),(11022,30,847200,861610,NULL,'But in the college itself, there was an Indian toilet and the first week of my hostel stay, I came and I used to have a dog at that time.'),(11023,30,863390,864460,NULL,'Her name was Jimmy.'),(11024,30,864880,872890,NULL,'And I said that she gets better food, and I told my father that I\'m not to going to go.'),(11025,30,873090,875910,NULL,'So he said that there\'s no other way.'),(11026,30,876440,881180,NULL,'So either you want to be educated or you don\'t want to be educated, that is for you to decide.'),(11027,30,881910,894353,NULL,'So I think I went back, but the idea was because you were in the hostel and all that, so slowly one got used to whatever.'),(11028,30,894353,898126,NULL,'And thankfully one started...'),(11029,30,899070,908000,NULL,'I took up psychology at that time, and I was interested in the course and did very well in that particular sense.'),(11030,30,909960,918639,NULL,'And the post graduation of course happens in the campus, the north campus, Delhi.'),(11031,30,918720,927520,NULL,'So he realized that now, even if I send her to the hostel, there\'s no point because from there I will have to come to the north campus for the classes.'),(11032,30,927700,936650,NULL,'So then I came home and by that time he was doing better than what was there earlier.'),(11033,30,936650,947860,NULL,'So I used to have that very, very secondhand fear, which I think when it used to rain, it would stop and whatever.'),(11034,30,955080,958719,NULL,'But it was comfortable at least to go to this thing.'),(11035,30,958719,986879,NULL,'But what had happened was that after post graduation and just to brag that I was a topper, both for BA as well as MA, and all of us at that time, somehow or the other we were very keen on taking the civil services exams, which we thought that I can take it and whatever.'),(11036,30,988089,996810,NULL,'But when I went in to take the form, the clerk was there, he said that, \"For whom do you want the form?\"'),(11037,30,997590,998630,NULL,'So I said, \"Myself.\"'),(11038,30,999480,1009069,NULL,'So he said, \"No, no, you can\'t, there\'s only six by six corrected glasses, otherwise you are handicapped.'),(11039,30,1009619,1010560,NULL,'So you can\'t.\"'),(11040,30,1011079,1019740,NULL,'So you can see that, mind was okay, but body wasn\'t.'),(11041,30,1019740,1032619,NULL,'And how the dualism, in that sense, was not thought of, it was almost as if body separate and mind is separate.'),(11042,30,1033530,1042259,NULL,'So big deal if mind is sharp, but the mind could not have gone in and taken a civil services exam.'),(11043,30,1043029,1083970,NULL,'I am so glad that I didn\'t go to the civil services.And I taught, and I think I\'m really glad, but that was the idea at that time where I realized that look, whether people accept me as \"normal,\" inspirational or whatever the words are, but I cannot get away from the identity that I am in one particular sense, disabled.'),(11044,30,1083970,1093509,NULL,'And at that time, even the disabled part was not there with me, I must have said handicapped again at that time, which would\'ve been there.'),(11045,30,1094129,1103830,NULL,'And I remember we thought of going for a trip or something, and I was walking out from Miranda to college.'),(11046,30,1103860,1108630,NULL,'And I just simply said that nobody\'s ever whistled at me.'),(11047,30,1109889,1117730,NULL,'Now as a teacher, I would\'ve cried blue murder that teasing and all that, everything.'),(11048,30,1118100,1141870,NULL,'I would\'ve gone against all those, but at that time, what was coming to my mind was that there was no conceptualization of a womanhood when you are with calipers, when you are with crutches and your identity is that of a person who just cannot walk, that\'s the thing there.'),(11049,30,1142099,1150979,NULL,'And also this whole dilemma that whether you want it or you don\'t want, it\'s there.'),(11050,30,1151159,1155090,NULL,'It\'s part and parcel of your life in that sense.'),(11051,30,1155610,1171260,NULL,'And incidentally, IP college has had people like Kumkum Sangari, Sudesh Baid, Uma Chakravarti, would come up very often and all that.'),(11052,30,1171470,1177620,NULL,'So there was this whole understanding of, at that time, the women\'s movement.'),(11053,30,1177620,1212899,NULL,'And also the fact that you want to be in the women\'s movement to look at issue like dowry at that time, dowry debts and all that, in teasing and all that, and one was really interested in these things, but slowly when I went onto that, and by that time, I think in almost \'81, I started teaching in IP, which was a temporary job, but then finally I went to JMC in \'84, Jesus and Mary College, and I got a permanent post to start teaching out there.'),(11054,30,1213450,1224360,NULL,'But I started realizing that even within the women\'s movement, there was a lot of, of course, there were many problems.'),(11055,30,1224360,1257050,NULL,'I can\'t say that, considering that you are in India, there are a whole lot of issues that are needed, in that sense to be resolved, which of course, resolution is not always possible, but in some sense, disability was not a feature, which was there for the women\'s movement as well.'),(11056,30,1257460,1271440,NULL,'And I think it was at that particular, and I\'m not going in a linear way, I\'m just trying to do my best to give you a sense of whatever.'),(11057,30,1272860,1288149,NULL,'But slowly there was…Javed Abidi, who is no more, but was an activist and really wanted to come up with this disability rights group and all.'),(11058,30,1288679,1298710,NULL,'And from there, we started doing, and the work actually started on employment and not really education at that time.'),(11059,30,1299180,1314330,NULL,'And the education at that time was only for those who could at least reach there, and which was mostly for example, mobility impaired, and also blind.'),(11060,30,1316660,1343700,NULL,'Because at least with the escort they could reach wherever they could in that sense and there were a lot of Delhi had hostels for the blind and also in one particular sense, they were trying to know and these people would come from the villages and all, but at least would get their education and in that sense, it was something.'),(11061,30,1344190,1359840,NULL,'And by that time, they started looking at the categories of the jobs, A, B, C, D and all that but it took a lot of time.'),(11062,30,1359840,1395830,NULL,'But 1981 was the international year of the disabled and I think that opened up some doors where you thought that it will be better to understand some parts and how we can kind of work in the sense towards creating awareness about disability, how the language kind of changed, one would kind of say “person with disability” and the person who was important and all.'),(11063,30,1396330,1411630,NULL,'And somehow when I say what body of work, I mean, as such, there was nothing which was there on disability studies.'),(11064,30,1412510,1415090,NULL,'That took long time.'),(11065,30,1416300,1429710,NULL,'I mean it has almost taken 20 years, I think 20, no, maybe more than that, but what did happen was that at least we were trying to somehow or the other...'),(11066,30,1430559,1443270,NULL,'There were various things, like I remember the center for advocacy research, where we tried getting a representation of disability in the media.'),(11067,30,1443940,1470430,NULL,'As channels started coming up and we realized that it\'s important and yet we realized that, of course, once we were fighting for the representation, but then we realized that the representations were so negative in one sense that one would have to think many times as to whether you really want the representations or not in that sense.'),(11068,30,1470969,1478560,NULL,'And also I think what I was doing at that time, let me just simply kind of say that in M.A.'),(11069,30,1478690,1481199,NULL,'and in M.Phil and in Ph.D.'),(11070,30,1482460,1487470,NULL,'I worked on various, for example, in M.A.'),(11071,30,1487590,1505350,NULL,'I had different kind of disabilities and I would try to look at their problems, the life satisfaction and also how they would understand what their self esteem is and issues such as those.'),(11072,30,1505860,1520110,NULL,'And then M.Phil I worked on the employment, open employment, as well as sheltered employment in that particular sense and so was Ph.D.'),(11073,30,1520110,1520770,NULL,'and Ph.D.'),(11074,30,1520770,1546800,NULL,'was a follow up, where I went to Bombay, I stayed with a particular school in which they had these young adults, intellectually impaired, where they would try to work and because of that, we would try to see that how much of them can come up into the open employment and that became a really important thing.'),(11075,30,1547119,1555090,NULL,'So up till then, I think the idea was that to move ahead, educate...'),(11076,30,1555350,1565670,NULL,'I mean, employment is important, but then came slowly the thought that how many of us actually get educated in that sense.'),(11077,30,1565920,1575269,NULL,'Like I said, that I was the first generational learner and many of my fellow disabled were also like that, or some of them were educated.'),(11078,30,1575780,1584330,NULL,'I mean, the parents were educated and whatever, but they were sent into wherever they could and all these things happen.'),(11079,30,1584790,1602149,NULL,'But I think the idea that what exactly is this whole conceptualization of education and disability at that time and I was in...'),(11080,30,1602199,1624970,NULL,'The UGC had done something on what was called the Lokshala, it was a program where they thought that they would work in different villages as well as it would be on primarily how to enhance the education of all children.'),(11081,30,1625060,1625360,NULL,'Both.'),(11082,30,1625850,1632750,NULL,'I mean, like I said, quote unquote normal and the disabled, and I thought that I would...'),(11083,30,1632759,1648029,NULL,'This is somewhere in ‘97, right and ‘97 there was a deputation which I got where I said that I could work at the different villages where I would...'),(11084,30,1648190,1656319,NULL,'I went to Northeast, I went to Maharashtra, I went to Calcutta, then to South India.'),(11085,30,1656630,1665779,NULL,'I mean different, different places and initial thing used to be that when you went to a village, you would realize that...'),(11086,30,1666010,1670050,NULL,'And when you ask them that, \"Are there disabled children who are being educated out here?\"'),(11087,30,1670050,1674359,NULL,'They would say, \"There\'s no disabled child out here,\" so which would take...'),(11088,30,1674990,1684420,NULL,'I mean, I would be surprised and then I would say, can we take a round, we\'ll take a walk and went on to different...'),(11089,30,1684700,1689449,NULL,'door to door thing and then we\'d find that there were some which were hidden.'),(11090,30,1689740,1693230,NULL,'There were some which were being educated and not educated.'),(11091,30,1693520,1712629,NULL,'So I think it was from there that the idea about education came to me and I thought that my God, I mean on the first employment was important, but I think before employment, I think education was very, very important in that particular sense.'),(11092,30,1712910,1719740,NULL,'Now, by that time, the legislation had given them a reservation.'),(11093,30,1722410,1729360,NULL,'Like Dalit groups like caste, I mean, like SCST and whatever.'),(11094,30,1729600,1738830,NULL,'So for disabled, they had about 3% reservation and that was to be given in the colleges.'),(11095,30,1739200,1743209,NULL,'Now, this became very interesting for me because I said that...'),(11096,30,1744730,1763574,NULL,'And we tried to kind of look at the seats and we found that Delhi University would have maybe about 800 seats if they were to calculate them including colleges and including different universities, but there were about 300 to be taken and all, but how?'),(11097,30,1763574,1779059,NULL,'What shook me was that you are reserving in higher education, right.'),(11098,30,1779830,1783365,NULL,'But how do we come to higher education, if you haven\'t done the Class 12.'),(11099,30,1783365,1792090,NULL,'You have to do a class 12 and it\'s only then you can come and be reserved in the...'),(11100,30,1792690,1798300,NULL,'you might get a reservation in the colleges and all, but what about the school education?'),(11101,30,1799309,1821929,NULL,'And I think school education became a very, very serious, I think, task where one would kind of say that, \"Will it be that we will stay only like the premier institutions like CIE in Delhi, Lady Irwin College” and all.'),(11102,30,1822189,1845560,NULL,'I mean, all of them, they would say that, \"Well, you have an optional course” and that optional course would be education of either “differently abled” or “differently challenged.” Now these are the kind of names, I mean, euphemisms.'),(11103,30,1845560,1857276,NULL,'I think, which can be far too many, I mean, which are there or “special children.” I mean there taught something of course, which I hate with a passion, okay, because I used to feel that everybody\'s special.'),(11104,30,1857276,1861060,NULL,'I mean, every child is special, I mean, for sake of parents I think children are important, children are special.'),(11105,30,1867990,1878330,NULL,'So why is it that these special children whose teachers also don\'t get that much money, even as teachers, as the other teachers are there.'),(11106,30,1878560,1894842,NULL,'They are paid less as compared to when they are in the so-called normal ones, but then by that time, of course, what is now known as AADI was the Spastics Society at that time.'),(11107,30,1894842,1907960,NULL,'Again the names changed, I mean, I know wherever it was then, but that was to convey that there is a different meaning to also the conceptualization of disability or in that sense.'),(11108,30,1908389,1922750,NULL,'So they started and AADI on its own started teaching courses which were for example, I would teach them.'),(11109,30,1923270,1936300,NULL,'I wouldn\'t charge, I would just simply go and teach them, like for example Piaget and how you would kind of understand a lifespan.I mean, [K.'),(11110,30,1936300,1949950,NULL,'Anders] Ericsson or Colberg, I mean different kind of understanding which was there and how education or Bronfenbrenner, that how education of children with disabilities, how they can be located there in that sense.'),(11111,30,1950490,1959440,NULL,'So in one sense the different models started coming up to you, but came up to me, but it was also before ‘97.'),(11112,30,1959440,1964959,NULL,'In ’96 for the first time I went to...'),(11113,30,1966830,1995830,NULL,'It just so happened that I was went through kind of a very, very, you could say a depressing personal level stage where you realize that your own relationship with the, I mean, other people like a boyfriend at that time or a breakup or the realization.'),(11114,30,1995830,2002730,NULL,'I mean, I can just give you one example so that it will help in understanding again, the attitude.'),(11115,30,2002730,2007460,NULL,'Where, I mean, I do remember this guy who was very...'),(11116,30,2007650,2030249,NULL,'I mean, we were close but he fractured his foot and it was like his birthday was close or something like that, and so they gave him that walking crutch thing, what you call it as, or the walking foot as they call it and so I just said that let\'s go for the lunch and let\'s go do...'),(11117,30,2031079,2034870,NULL,'So he said, \"Why you want to be you\'ll be mutually embarrassed.\"'),(11118,30,2036280,2044470,NULL,'Now when I heard the word mutually embarrassed, I just kind of said that, \"What you say, I mean, that.\"'),(11119,30,2045050,2061730,NULL,'And he said that \"We all psychologists,\" and he knew that I had a psychoanalytical orientation at one level and so he said, \"It\'s always because you\'re trying to find words, meaning.\"'),(11120,30,2061980,2065170,NULL,'I said, \"No, I think it means something else also.'),(11121,30,2065929,2072790,NULL,'It means that you always have felt that I feel, you feel embarrassed when you have to take me out.\"'),(11122,30,2073239,2077469,NULL,'And I realized that it\'s enough.'),(11123,30,2077780,2080850,NULL,'I mean, I can\'t carry on with that.'),(11124,30,2081270,2090610,NULL,'And I think it was this particular thing which my father said that \"You\'ve done so well in M.Phil also and Ph.D.\"'),(11125,30,2090850,2105689,NULL,'so he given me as a trip and I was with my cousin in New York and I actually managed to find that there was a society for disability studies which was in Washington.'),(11126,30,2106270,2111450,NULL,'I didn\'t know how I would go or where I would stay and all, but I told them that I would manage.'),(11127,30,2111510,2117110,NULL,'I mean you just let me go and they said that, \"You can take a bus and that Greyhound thing.'),(11128,30,2117389,2118850,NULL,'Then I would kind of whatever.”'),(11129,30,2119469,2134030,NULL,'And there I met all these people, I mean, who became almost like my friends, who was like Michael Oliver, Barnes, Mairian Corker.'),(11130,30,2134070,2147170,NULL,'Mairian Corker was a deaf scholar and she was someone, I mean, I always feel sad that she died so soon, but I think she was someone.'),(11131,30,2147180,2170820,NULL,'Susan Gable, I mean, who works on education and Mairian put me on as a book reviewer so that I could get the books, because the books used to be so expensive and so she said that, \"You will be able to get this thing,\" and by chance, I happened to.'),(11132,30,2170820,2175229,NULL,'By that time the computer was starting to come into that.'),(11133,30,2175570,2180480,NULL,'So although of course it was with the Windows and the Winsock and all that.'),(11134,30,2180480,2190920,NULL,'We had to do a lot of problem, but we could start writing or whatever and it was there that there was somebody known as Sally French.'),(11135,30,2190920,2202870,NULL,'I don\'t know whether you know about her or not, very good scholar and she kind of said that, \"Anita, I can pay for the whatever postage and all, but these are secondhand books.\"'),(11136,30,2203260,2206830,NULL,'So I said, \"Sally, I mean, how does it make a difference?'),(11137,30,2208420,2210700,NULL,'Maximum they\'ve been marked somewhere or whatever.'),(11138,30,2214010,2220590,NULL,'I would cherish them if you can send,\" and it was almost like a...'),(11139,30,2220960,2250119,NULL,'I can\'t say charitable, but I mean, it was a real empathy where she could sense that this particular scholar wants to know and read all the stuff, and it was, I think, at that particular juncture that I got some of the books that came to me and some, of course, I would try to go into the libraries.'),(11140,30,2250779,2260689,NULL,'There the library used to be on the third floor and you would go and you will find that one journal was torn somewhere and you wouldn\'t find the pages.'),(11141,30,2260969,2265720,NULL,'I mean, this was what was the scenario even at that time, in that sense.'),(11142,30,2266199,2275509,NULL,'But I think by that time, I think my interest in somewhere writing about disability, thinking about disability.'),(11143,30,2275960,2299700,NULL,'And it was in 2002 that Mark Priestley from UK Leeds University asked me to write a chapter and I also could write a piece which is actually known as seminal piece, which is Disabled Women: Excluded Part of Feminism.'),(11144,30,2299710,2318270,NULL,'It\'s a paper which is very well known, which came up in 2002 and I wrote another piece, which was for Kaleidoscope where somebody who has an Indian and had a daughter who was in intellectually impaired and I wrote on mythology.'),(11145,30,2318670,2339930,NULL,'So I think that gave me a setup from where I started writing and I started, and I wrote on the third world and I wrote on poverty and gender primarily, and education of children with disabilities, I mean, and that\'s it.'),(11146,30,2340170,2358770,NULL,'By that time, I lost my father in 2001 and then I got a postdoc fellowship for a year and it was in 2003 that [Dis]Embodied Form: Issues of Disabled Women was my first book that came out.'),(11147,30,2359290,2365600,NULL,'Now, by that time, I think I actually reached a level where I had...'),(11148,30,2365600,2392406,NULL,'I mean, where I started working not only on education, but I started also working on gender per se and in that particular sense, I mean, I remember Kamla Bhasin, we\'ve just lost her, but I remember that she once said that, \"Anita,\" or I don\'t know whether you know Hindi or not, but I will translate it.'),(11149,30,2392406,2409489,NULL,'“Aurat hona sabse badi disability hai.” So “being a woman is the biggest disability” and I responded back and I said, \"Kamlaji, that means that you can understand the womanhood through disabling parts, right.'),(11150,30,2410260,2423366,NULL,'But you are not willing to actually look at the analogy of understanding disability through whatever the...'),(11151,30,2423366,2429759,NULL,'I mean, whether it was the emancipatory part or the oppressive part, whatever is there, but you\'re not understanding that particular part.\"'),(11152,30,2430090,2448940,NULL,'I think that was somewhere where I think it gave me some idea that we must…and I was by that time doing a B.El.Ed., BA in Elementary Education and I was working on that and with that, I brought in...'),(11153,30,2449360,2457370,NULL,'I mean, somewhere I wrote a piece which\'s called Being in Shadow of My Own Disability, I think something like that.'),(11154,30,2457850,2481920,NULL,'I\'ve forgotten now, but was a very, very well received piece and that was given to almost all the colleges that were taking up and we took up then the issues of caste, issues of religion like Azra writing on being a Muslim, on being a Dalit, like that.'),(11155,30,2481929,2485059,NULL,'I think taking up all and trying to see.'),(11156,30,2485069,2490911,NULL,'I\'m not sure whether we had exactly the word intersection at that time, but we were trying to do that.'),(11157,30,2490911,2490914,NULL,'I mean, trying to understand the different...'),(11158,30,2490914,2513760,NULL,'And something which I was really, really against and that was the add on categories where they would say that gender, caste, civility, et cetera and I would say that, \"What is the big idea?\"'),(11159,30,2514320,2524750,NULL,'If you\'re going to be [inaudible] different constituencies, then how do I understand and it brought me to education also.'),(11160,30,2525860,2547551,NULL,'There\'s some part which I\'ve written in the Globalizing Data Education: A Globalizing Era, where I\'ve written that if you can say that a disabled, poor girl in the rural area, who\'s also a Dalit, you know you can\'t say that.'),(11161,30,2547579,2551370,NULL,'There are so many markers and how are you going to take which marker?'),(11162,30,2551620,2553379,NULL,'Which marker are you going to attend to it?'),(11163,30,2553659,2559819,NULL,'I mean, in that particular sense, it became very, very important for me.'),(11164,30,2560920,2566290,NULL,'Let me catch my breath for a minute, yeah.'),(11165,30,2567040,2568610,NULL,'Can I have some water please?'),(11166,30,2570750,2571250,NULL,'Is it okay?'),(11167,30,2571550,2571840,NULL,'I mean…'),(11168,30,2573990,2574550,NULL,'Vishesh: Yes, yes.'),(11169,30,2574550,2575130,NULL,'That\'s lovely.'),(11170,30,2575139,2589659,NULL,'I\'m enjoying it and I think this is a big part of the kind of story we\'d love to hear, get a sense of how to arrive at these thinkings and also generally get a sense of the trajectory of things that have been.'),(11171,30,2590330,2595750,NULL,'Anita: Yeah, just two seconds I\'ll take, and then I\'ll..'),(11172,30,2595750,2598060,NULL,'Vishesh: Absolutely, no rush at all.'),(11173,30,2598380,2600009,NULL,'Anita: Yeah, no, no.'),(11174,30,2600010,2610340,NULL,'I\'m quite used to be the teacher so two hours is all right, I\'ll let you know but still a break is important, I think.'),(11175,30,2610629,2618020,NULL,'No, I think I had gone up to maybe the fourth, fifth question from youth in schools, homes and other...'),(11176,30,2618400,2618870,NULL,'This, I must say.'),(11177,30,2618870,2629139,NULL,'So they also started working on this education in home, something that I was really taken aback.'),(11178,30,2629420,2636919,NULL,'I mean, I said that, \" Does it mean that we will never come out of the room or in our home, houses?\"'),(11179,30,2637110,2638160,NULL,'You will teach them.'),(11180,30,2638890,2650710,NULL,'And also let me bring up the new education policy out here which has come up in 20 and you know why.'),(11181,30,2652800,2659180,NULL,'Look at how COVID has been doing things.'),(11182,30,2659520,2662919,NULL,'Not only in India, I think elsewhere also.'),(11183,30,2663580,2667865,NULL,'Whatever needs to be done has been done because people are not there.'),(11184,30,2667870,2672379,NULL,'There are online classes and there are teachers are not there and all, so there\'s nobody...'),(11185,30,2672440,2674879,NULL,'Like an old lady saying what they want to say.'),(11186,30,2674879,2711100,NULL,'But the new policy actually, they accept disability but actually is trying to say that completely privatization that is coming up and when you are going to bring privatization, where are the poor children who are also disabled going to be and they also in the policy they\'ve taken up that one particular...'),(11187,30,2711380,2724160,NULL,'All the groups that are somewhere socially, I mean, you could say not I\'m simply forgetting the-'),(11188,30,2724529,2725799,NULL,'Vishesh: Marginalized or?'),(11189,30,2725980,2731049,NULL,'... Anita: marginalized categories, but they\'ve made it all together which means that...'),(11190,30,2732609,2755750,NULL,'I mean, as if everything will be changed once you give them whatever, that particular categorization of marginalization and exclusion in that sense, but how would you actually, along with privatization, how would you give them the education in that particular sense?'),(11191,30,2756060,2765259,NULL,'By that time, the legislation which was there in \'96 had already started.'),(11192,30,2766389,2769040,NULL,'People were upset because there were seven disabilities.'),(11193,30,2769410,2773450,NULL,'People were also trying to say that there are more disabilities than that.'),(11194,30,2773880,2779950,NULL,'And there were people who were trying to say that the gender component was not there.'),(11195,30,2779950,2783670,NULL,'There were 28 chapters, not one chapter had gender in it.'),(11196,30,2783900,2799799,NULL,'So Professor Sadgopal would often say that two third of the children who are out actually are girls because they would never reach school in that particular sense.'),(11197,30,2800139,2802480,NULL,'And many of them would be disabled also, right?'),(11198,30,2802480,2804100,NULL,'In that sense.'),(11199,30,2804830,2807020,NULL,'And I also feel that somewhere you kind of...'),(11200,30,2807080,2817879,NULL,'And then the RTE, the Right to Education, that also came up before that the Congress had brought.'),(11201,30,2818230,2829009,NULL,'And that also was the EWS, the poor section, 25% and out of that, they would take children and who would be whatever, some poor and some disabled.'),(11202,30,2829649,2848239,NULL,'So it was almost like never giving a chance where a child would have a right to be educated in a school where they can be entered without any issues, without any problems.'),(11203,30,2848349,2864600,NULL,'And also India knows, of course there is a lot of differentiation between the public education, the private education and also the government education, in that particular sense.'),(11204,30,2864820,2872700,NULL,'Of course, there\'s some thoughts about Delhi, at least with AAP, they say that education has become better and all that.'),(11205,30,2873120,2881689,NULL,'But when you talk about children with disabilities are not sure whether they\'ve really taken them in that particular sense.'),(11206,30,2881940,2905810,NULL,'But by that time in 2016, when the parliament was being broken up every 20 minutes and all, they all decided, and that\'s something again, a charitable mode, where they said that each party said that, let\'s pass the 2016 bill which was for the disability, person\'s with disability.'),(11207,30,2906870,2911790,NULL,'And that gave something like a 4% reservation.'),(11208,30,2912270,2916140,NULL,'That was the only question that they asked, there was no debate.'),(11209,30,2916869,2923700,NULL,'For about 10 minutes they took, and the bill was passed and the only question that came up was about the reservation.'),(11210,30,2924000,2925023,NULL,'What was the reservation?'),(11211,30,2925270,2926310,NULL,'Like that kind of a thing.'),(11212,30,2927310,2952180,NULL,'So you can imagine, how we are…if you look at actually the data, data of course is disaggregated in one sense, and also even if you look at the NHRD data, nowhere you will find that children with disabilities are educated this much, this much, nowhere.'),(11213,30,2952400,2958450,NULL,'You always have to search for it, that how many of them are being educated.'),(11214,30,2958860,2979569,NULL,'But by and large, you can say that even if you take a very optimistic stance, I can tell you that if they were hundred children, they would be almost 15% who are being educated.'),(11215,30,2980450,2989739,NULL,'The rest, sometimes up till class five, then maybe given up that and then class eight or after that, whatever.'),(11216,30,2992719,2994479,NULL,'People say that children have been dropped.'),(11217,30,2995049,3005910,NULL,'I always say that they\'ve been pushed out because there\'s only one way when you talk about it, you talk about push out, that how they can be pushed out.'),(11218,30,3006279,3013480,NULL,'Because if the access in itself, some of the ramps are jokes.'),(11219,30,3013560,3027480,NULL,'If you look at the slopes which are there, and you find that you can\'t even, even if I have motorized wheelchair, even I can\'t reach and it\'s so scary.'),(11220,30,3027680,3032880,NULL,'But these were a kind of tokenistic level that, okay, ramps have been done.'),(11221,30,3033300,3047760,NULL,'But beyond ramps things like how the software such as JAWS or sign language, and I\'m not saying that this hasn\'t happened, it has happened.'),(11222,30,3048430,3060870,NULL,'But what I would to say about education is that there has been completely an abdication of education by the state.'),(11223,30,3061020,3070399,NULL,'And state has never really gone into seriously, has never thought about teaching disabled children.'),(11224,30,3070670,3085830,NULL,'It\'s always, they\'re encouraging, and then I call it sometimes in a funny way and also in a sarcastic way, the completely the NGO-ization which is there.'),(11225,30,3086310,3095000,NULL,'Because that is where they would say that, okay, fine, give it to the NGOs and they would educate whatever is there.'),(11226,30,3095809,3109509,NULL,'And that in itself would become one of the major, you can say, instrument in which the education was happening in many instances.'),(11227,30,3117870,3128819,NULL,'We did get educated, but then we means that in a class of 36, 1 person was, I was there.'),(11228,30,3128819,3144650,NULL,'Like that in each class, not in each class, I would say in maybe three, four, one a child would be educated in that particular sense, but not all schools.'),(11229,30,3145360,3155809,NULL,'It isn\'t as if you can go and get children generally in the schools that they\'re there and you can find them anywhere, that\'s not there, that is something.'),(11230,30,3155809,3157870,NULL,'Now, let me think about the higher education.'),(11231,30,3160170,3170860,NULL,'My university, I shifted from Delhi university to Ambedkar University because I wanted to work on disability studies in that sense.'),(11232,30,3171710,3187649,NULL,'And the vice chancellor was very, very serious in bringing disability studies into Ambedkar University.'),(11233,30,3187669,3195750,NULL,'And they had these things like fee waivers and whole lot of things.'),(11234,30,3196080,3204559,NULL,'But then compared to that, this university the building is a very old one.'),(11235,30,3204810,3210640,NULL,'So difficult that first a week when I went, I didn\'t know how to go to the toilet.'),(11236,30,3210640,3221249,NULL,'So he told me that you can get the ramps which would be placed out there at different places, which I did.'),(11237,30,3221249,3229020,NULL,'There was almost like a card lunch that, okay, fine, do whatever you want to do, in that sense.'),(11238,30,3229690,3240910,NULL,'But I could sense that maximum number of disabled children who have come to my class are about maybe five in 40.'),(11239,30,3241000,3250320,NULL,'One we have given fee waivers, but how?'),(11240,30,3250840,3257089,NULL,'See, once again, the idea of the playing field is not there at all.'),(11241,30,3257900,3266370,NULL,'The idea that from where you will come, you always say that Metro is very disabled-friendly.'),(11242,30,3266440,3267240,NULL,'Yeah, it is.'),(11243,30,3267900,3273060,NULL,'Metro is disabled-friendly, but what about the last mile connectivity?'),(11244,30,3274879,3280550,NULL,'How do you reach Metro?'),(11245,30,3282750,3289790,NULL,'And if you have to reach Metro, is there, okay, so there are some scooters and there\'re some buses and all, but are those disabled-friendly?'),(11246,30,3290000,3290280,NULL,'No.'),(11247,30,3292029,3299570,NULL,'So in one particular sense, some parts are disabled-friendly and some parts are not disabled-friendly.'),(11248,30,3300130,3319160,NULL,'But some of the NGOs, like I said, there\'s AADI, VidyaSagar in Chennai, there is Ability in Bangalore, there is in Calcutta, there are different you could say NGOs that have really, and many of them, there is something called Muskan.'),(11249,30,3319650,3346130,NULL,'But I want to say that many of them they\'re successful because there\'re parents who had kids who were either intellectually impaired, mobility impaired, spinal injuries or whatever because they wanted to create situations for them.'),(11250,30,3346480,3355750,NULL,'So that\'s how those NGOs and all were made so that they could actually educate them in that particular sense.'),(11251,30,3356309,3369040,NULL,'So that\'s how I think in one particular sense education still is very, very difficult.'),(11252,30,3370670,3376379,NULL,'Why do I write about for example, education in the globalizing era?'),(11253,30,3378000,3388330,NULL,'Sometimes I feel that there are problems on the new liberal ideologies but there is some gains also.'),(11254,30,3389750,3404960,NULL,'The gains might be in sense of getting a motorized wheelchair, and then these being made in Delhi where they are now becoming foldable, they can be put into the cars, which they can.'),(11255,30,3405530,3418040,NULL,'Or the fact that corrupt JAWS, but at least the JAWS is there with people, youngsters who are doing their BAs and MAs or whatever is that.'),(11256,30,3418559,3429859,NULL,'But I think one particular constituency, which you of course, are aware of the fact that many deaf people say that there\'s either a capital D and there\'s a small d.'),(11257,30,3430849,3442820,NULL,'capital D where you say that you are ethnic minority with a different language pattern, which means that the sign language is there and you actually consider yourself as not disabled.'),(11258,30,3443850,3447870,NULL,'But the small d\'s where you feel that the oralism must be there.'),(11259,30,3448320,3453689,NULL,'I remember a movie called, I\'m not sure whether you\'ve seen that or not, it\'s called Children of a Lesser God.'),(11260,30,3454199,3465559,NULL,'It\'s a beautiful movie, which indicates how this teacher is trying to teach them how oralism is important.'),(11261,30,3465849,3478560,NULL,'And then this girl who becomes his friend and she doesn\'t want to really speak anything, she only wants to use the sign, in that particular sense.'),(11262,30,3478770,3486119,NULL,'So it\'s a beautiful, romantic movie also and yet very, very powerful.'),(11263,30,3486790,3496530,NULL,'Because it actually says that how he realizes, he will say things to her that Aachaa will not let me listen to Bach.'),(11264,30,3497770,3509349,NULL,'And how the sound is coming to her and how the sound is coming to you, is there equality out there or not?'),(11265,30,3509889,3516680,NULL,'That\'s the kind which I think can be found anywhere, everywhere, in that sense.'),(11266,30,3517590,3524020,NULL,'So what I did in America, I should tell you this thing.'),(11267,30,3524360,3531180,NULL,'You also asked me about who were my role models in that sense?'),(11268,30,3531500,3539650,NULL,'So I think my role models were largely, I think bell hooks, Friere, Gramsci.'),(11269,30,3539790,3547940,NULL,'Gramsci was also disabled, I kind of remember that.'),(11270,30,3548480,3571180,NULL,'And many like Professor Sadgopal, Tanmoy Bhattacharya, many people who really have thought about for example, Tanmoy is very much, he\'s a linguistic but he also took up disability and how sign language is so important.'),(11271,30,3572160,3580860,NULL,'And of course, how to understand the critical disability studies and this thing, and has a reading group and all.'),(11272,30,3581920,3593570,NULL,'And many other, I think role models of course, are from the west, but many of them were also disabled.'),(11273,30,3594599,3621060,NULL,'So one knew that how, for example, Janet Price, who was again, a wheelchair user and a feminist, and how to understand that the fact that people said that lot of, because we always questioned the medicalization, that that model is problematic.'),(11274,30,3621320,3624790,NULL,'And yet I feel that you can\'t give up on that.'),(11275,30,3625100,3636819,NULL,'So there was the social model and some way social model said that it\'s the society which is disabling us and it\'s the built environment and all.'),(11276,30,3637159,3640580,NULL,'And also they, they, they are responsible for us.'),(11277,30,3640600,3647380,NULL,'But when we say that, then we are thinking that where does the body go?'),(11278,30,3648560,3651130,NULL,'Where does the pain of the body goes?'),(11279,30,3651620,3663120,NULL,'Can we actually that well, yes, and I\'m going to pick up sexuality for a few five minutes maybe.'),(11280,30,3664440,3671810,NULL,'Because we always think of it as almost either it is sexuality or it\'s hypersexuality.'),(11281,30,3672039,3685439,NULL,'So intellectually impaired and the mentally ill, mental illness was where we say that they are hypersexual or they\'re asexual, and asexual means that we don\'t have any desire.'),(11282,30,3686159,3697850,NULL,'Now, in that particular sense, I think sexuality became one of the very, very important point for me to kind of take it up.'),(11283,30,3697850,3708960,NULL,'And how to understand that whether one can look at desire or not or whether desire is in that particular sense, and there\'s pain also.'),(11284,30,3709310,3716070,NULL,'So how to understand that, and is this social model in itself enough?'),(11285,30,3716700,3718890,NULL,'And I feel that it also has to be.'),(11286,30,3719320,3726539,NULL,'And then you can think about McRuer, and you can think about the compulsory able-bodiedness, which is there.'),(11287,30,3726820,3729810,NULL,'And then of course the LGBT issues that come up.'),(11288,30,3730210,3742038,NULL,'But very interesting part, which is there in India, for me, when I\'m talk to my fellow disabled friends, sometimes they say that, \"Anita, why do you have to talk about the lesbian and all that here only?\"'),(11289,30,3742038,3742560,NULL,'So I said, \"Why?\"'),(11290,30,3748630,3757129,NULL,'He said, \"Because one stigma as it is is there with us because we are disabled, another stigma will come when we are also lesbian.\"'),(11291,30,3757130,3763959,NULL,'So they would say that why do you want to talk about two markers together?'),(11292,30,3765520,3778904,NULL,'Now again, and I always used to say that but what is the, I have to kind of understand because many of them might be their sexual orientation is different and you\'ve got to respect that part.'),(11293,30,3779480,3789049,NULL,'But I think the word “queer” in that particular sense actually brought me to understand disability.'),(11294,30,3791389,3803474,NULL,'In a bit clarify if I\'ve done something solid that is to say that somewhere don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability.'),(11295,30,3803474,3817380,NULL,'And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system?'),(11296,30,3817880,3821240,NULL,'How do we understand the knowledge?'),(11297,30,3821540,3830720,NULL,'And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.'),(11298,30,3831049,3845120,NULL,'And I feel that if you understand them, you will understand that there is a lot that disabled people also have to give to the so-called able society, able bodied society.'),(11299,30,3846059,3860890,NULL,'I can think about another role model, which is Tom Shakespeare, who actually wrote that book with Gillespie and Tom Shakespeare, which is on sexuality.'),(11300,30,3861270,3883670,NULL,'And Tom Shakespeare used to always say this, that the “normal,” able-bodied people actually don\'t want to come to you because you are such a clear reminder that this also can happen to you.'),(11301,30,3886469,3907209,NULL,'If you think about the [inaudible] , and if you think about cataract, if you think about arthritis, if you think about Alzheimer, if you think about dementia, if you think about hearing aids that you keep on, you can see that all of them somewhere are actually a combination of what disability is there in that sense.'),(11302,30,3907209,3941890,NULL,'And I think that is where I feel that if we want to be, and for higher education, I feel that academia in itself, and this is very important for me to say that, that academia in itself I think, it\'s almost like when you say that are you blind?'),(11303,30,3944180,3945100,NULL,'Have you gone deaf?'),(11304,30,3946620,3948000,NULL,'This is their language.'),(11305,30,3948290,3950410,NULL,'This is the Academy\'s language.'),(11306,30,3952700,3954520,NULL,'Don\'t be stupid, don\'t be mad.'),(11307,30,3955090,3961820,NULL,'The words in itself, are very important.'),(11308,30,3962210,3967200,NULL,'And whenever you\'re talking to them about disability and they say, \"Yeah, yeah.'),(11309,30,3967230,3967750,NULL,'You\'re right.'),(11310,30,3967750,3968250,NULL,'You\'re right.\"'),(11311,30,3968570,3971170,NULL,'And after that, they\'ll start discussing something else.'),(11312,30,3971840,3983130,NULL,'Which means that how an epistemology of disability is important for academia is not there at all.'),(11313,30,3983500,3994750,NULL,'And with that, I started the first undergraduate course, with AD, where I actually picked up the Bollywood films and the Hollywood films.'),(11314,30,3996260,4013830,NULL,'And I actually started creating some sort of an awareness and sensitization in, and I had something almost 68 students because films of course, students are always fascinated with the films also.'),(11315,30,4013830,4021500,NULL,'And I think with that, I also learned a lot, I can tell you.'),(11316,30,4022210,4032649,NULL,'Because then when I looked at the Bollywood, there\'s not a single movie in which disability is not there.'),(11317,30,4036040,4044249,NULL,'They might have a negative representation, but the fact that it is there, and now of course, some of them are very, very...'),(11318,30,4044669,4058200,NULL,'For example, Margarita with a Straw and also Barfi came up, and many, many, many movies which are actually little bit positive also in that sense did come up.'),(11319,30,4058770,4082909,NULL,'And they really brought up this whole, and I used to take up for example, a very old movie of 1964 called Dosti, which had one blind boy and one who gets in an accident and cannot walk.'),(11320,30,4083359,4090883,NULL,'So what he would do is that this blind guy started singing and people would give money to him.'),(11321,30,4090883,4096500,NULL,'So he said that, \"No, we are not going to do this.'),(11322,30,4096500,4097240,NULL,'This is begging.\"'),(11323,30,4097500,4098710,NULL,'So he said, \"No, no.'),(11324,30,4098969,4100019,NULL,'It\'s a skill.'),(11325,30,4100450,4103569,NULL,'I\'m singing, it\'s a skill that I\'m using.\"'),(11326,30,4103600,4105640,NULL,'And he used to use that mouth organ.'),(11327,30,4105640,4111410,NULL,'So he said that, \"But this is a skill, you know it, and that\'s how we are getting that.'),(11328,30,4111460,4112410,NULL,'So big deal.\"'),(11329,30,4112429,4133049,NULL,'And in the dialogue in 1964, the other guy wants to be educated so this guy says that, \"Well, there are countries where they give you free education for everyone, so why is it that we don\'t have free education for all?\"'),(11330,30,4133049,4136670,NULL,'And it\'s really a marvelous movie.'),(11331,30,4136670,4167919,NULL,'And as a comparison, I showed them My Left Foot which was somewhere, Christy Brown, which is his autobiography and how he becomes author and how right from the minute go, again, about seven to eight children and the mother who\'s there and the care part.'),(11332,30,4168829,4173729,NULL,'How the care part is there and how he wants him to be educated.'),(11333,30,4174449,4178450,NULL,'But he\'s a good painter also and he starts writing.'),(11334,30,4178470,4182793,NULL,'And the very fact that he learns to write A, B, whatever, it becomes,'),(11335,30,4182793,4183590,NULL,'I\'m sorry there is-I mean, whatever.'),(11336,30,4183810,4184400,NULL,'It becomes...'),(11337,30,4184439,4185149,NULL,'I\'m sorry.'),(11338,30,4185270,4193380,NULL,'There\'s phone somewhere, but I can\'t find where it is.'),(11339,30,4193399,4198780,NULL,'And it was with that, that I kind of started including these...'),(11340,30,4199750,4201410,NULL,'I started with that particular this thing.'),(11341,30,4201590,4217700,NULL,'Then of course, now I have other courses that are there on situating disability, where I\'m trying to look at humanism and where I\'m trying to look at what is posthumanism and people like Rosi Braidotti and all.'),(11342,30,4219980,4225480,NULL,'They\'re trying to say that, look, humanism in itself has some problems.'),(11343,30,4225590,4233544,NULL,'And how in the posthumanism you go into the technology, you go into the guide dogs and how you kind of also look at death in that particular sense.'),(11344,30,4233544,4233611,NULL,'And I said that is something where...'),(11345,30,4233611,4248280,NULL,'and then I go onto the third course, which is the gendering disability.'),(11346,30,4248300,4253120,NULL,'And now I\'ve reached a point where I\'ve introduced PhD disability studies.'),(11347,30,4254250,4265599,NULL,'Just five seats right now, but the fact that we managed to do this in these almost six years or so I mean like, we\'ve done that.'),(11348,30,4266849,4283540,NULL,'But I think, think something which is now important is that they understand disability not as I think as a token or as a concession category, but more as a knowledge in which you can enhance your own.'),(11349,30,4284200,4294400,NULL,'And I think many of them when they come to my class, it\'s almost like they say that some of the things that we never even thought of our own selves.'),(11350,30,4295000,4309900,NULL,'And it\'s so very, sometimes, very poignant where you come to know about their own subjectivities that is being kind of understood by understanding the disabling parts.'),(11351,30,4310680,4314160,NULL,'And one of the very clear reading is on care.'),(11352,30,4314570,4326260,NULL,'That how care in every understanding, way, where we also understand the unpaid work, where we also understand that mothers are largely...'),(11353,30,4326300,4328610,NULL,'Women are the caregivers.'),(11354,30,4329340,4331820,NULL,'But we also understand the care recipients.'),(11355,30,4332780,4339559,NULL,'How, when care is given, care is sometimes given like that, that they never ask.'),(11356,30,4339860,4341470,NULL,'That this is what you wanted.'),(11357,30,4342700,4353110,NULL,'And I try and make them understand that there\'s actually interdependence because there is no one who\'s completely independent.'),(11358,30,4353110,4364090,NULL,'I mean, after all, you and I are having a chat because there is technology, because it is saying that we can have some...'),(11359,30,4364290,4375510,NULL,'And in a way I feel there is a part of me which says that, \"My God, now we can never travel,\" because everybody would say that there\'s a online chat everywhere.'),(11360,30,4376570,4394540,NULL,'There is that part also, but the fact that now we can actually have these real interactions with other professors, like Professor Goodley came or [Gregor Walbring] . Also another model for me.'),(11361,30,4394740,4396809,NULL,'You know he had...'),(11362,30,4396810,4400420,NULL,'His mother had thalidomide in sixties, right?'),(11363,30,4400880,4410639,NULL,'And when all the mothers who had thalidomide, all the children, they were born without the limbs.'),(11364,30,4411860,4413380,NULL,'Some without the arms.'),(11365,30,4413660,4415950,NULL,'He lost his legs completely.'),(11366,30,4417170,4422110,NULL,'So, he and I remember where we were in Winnipeg and we were coming back to...'),(11367,30,4422190,4425169,NULL,'I mean, he had to go to Calgary and I had to come to Toronto.'),(11368,30,4425570,4426509,NULL,'So there was a flight.'),(11369,30,4426740,4429570,NULL,'So, the same flight was there which we had to change.'),(11370,30,4429870,4430700,NULL,'So he was like...'),(11371,30,4431270,4439000,NULL,'He just kind of crawled and came up to the seat and I was waiting for my wheelchair to come and you know that.'),(11372,30,4439450,4450210,NULL,'So he kind of jokes with me and says that, see Anita, you are also mainstreamed, because you never think about crawling.'),(11373,30,4451390,4454270,NULL,'Crawling is also kind of mobility, right?'),(11374,30,4455660,4458999,NULL,'And, why can\'t you kind...'),(11375,30,4458999,4461570,NULL,'I mean, children always crawl, no?'),(11376,30,4461950,4462980,NULL,'And I also laugh.'),(11377,30,4462980,4464129,NULL,'I always say that, \"Yeah, yeah.'),(11378,30,4464169,4470280,NULL,'I\'m really not as, I mean, maybe you are really a rebellion I\'m...'),(11379,30,4470990,4472470,NULL,'It\'ll take me some time.\"'),(11380,30,4474280,4475659,NULL,'Vishesh: Yeah.Assimilated so far.'),(11381,30,4476160,4477630,NULL,'Anita: Yeah, exactly.'),(11382,30,4478440,4481589,NULL,'And I think so that is where I feel...'),(11383,30,4481590,4482720,NULL,'Or Dan Goodley.'),(11384,30,4483120,4496943,NULL,'I mean, another role model I think is where he tries to, I mean, we were doing something together and I said that, \"My God, Dan, you\'ve got 500 citations and I\'ve got like 1100 citations.'),(11385,30,4496943,4502990,NULL,'And yet I\'m one of the very well known or whatever.\"'),(11386,30,4503190,4504549,NULL,'So Dan said.'),(11387,30,4504870,4511020,NULL,'So what happens to why UK cites UK only and America sites, America only.'),(11388,30,4511420,4518360,NULL,'And they will not think about you, because they will never cite you, because you are somewhere in developing country and whatever.'),(11389,30,4519070,4521440,NULL,'So he says, \"Why do you worry about such things?\"'),(11390,30,4521440,4522800,NULL,'I said, \"No, no, I\'m not worried.'),(11391,30,4523019,4525400,NULL,'I\'m just trying to tell you that you are so many.'),(11392,30,4525520,4526989,NULL,'And I have like these many.\"'),(11393,30,4527920,4530989,NULL,'And also because disability studies came very late in my life.'),(11394,30,4530990,4535809,NULL,'I mean, when I was teaching psychology primarily, in that sense.'),(11395,30,4536309,4546620,NULL,'So I think maybe I should stop here and let you ask if there\'s anything that I might have missed out.'),(11396,30,4547260,4549110,NULL,'Vishesh: There were so many interesting things.'),(11397,30,4549110,4550990,NULL,'I don\'t know if I have any...'),(11398,30,4551530,4558320,NULL,'I don\'t think you\'ve missed any point, but some things I wanted to quick.'),(11399,30,4558540,4559790,NULL,'Some things I-'),(11400,30,4559820,4561030,NULL,'Anita: COVID, COVID, COVID.'),(11401,30,4561080,4561360,NULL,'Vishesh: Sure.'),(11402,30,4561630,4561850,NULL,'Anita: Right.'),(11403,30,4562600,4562913,NULL,'Vishesh: That\'s the last question.'),(11404,30,4563040,4569180,NULL,'Anita: Yeah, no, actually, maybe there\'s a reading that I could share with you, which I did for EPW.'),(11405,30,4569920,4578090,NULL,'And how the very idea that when COVID happened...'),(11406,30,4578090,4585550,NULL,'I mean I would listen to God knows how many lectures on the channels and all that.'),(11407,30,4587100,4594570,NULL,'Disabled people were not there in their mind at all.'),(11408,30,4596180,4599219,NULL,'I mean, they don\'t even think about the hospitals.'),(11409,30,4599549,4607030,NULL,'They don\'t think about the hearing impaired and how they will have a mask if they can\'t use the sign language.'),(11410,30,4607369,4611220,NULL,'And if they are actually had to say something.'),(11411,30,4611680,4613640,NULL,'And the touch.'),(11412,30,4614670,4617760,NULL,'They keep on saying social distancing, social distancing.'),(11413,30,4617980,4620600,NULL,'What is going to happen to the disabled people?'),(11414,30,4621120,4627590,NULL,'And I wanted to tell you that when I had COVID, I mean, I would get the food, right?'),(11415,30,4627620,4628530,NULL,'That\'s not a issue.'),(11416,30,4628560,4629740,NULL,'They would leave the food.'),(11417,30,4630250,4640830,NULL,'But to put the sheet on my bed was such a problematic part because how to do it from one part to the other part?'),(11418,30,4641620,4659339,NULL,'Initially they started giving me the disposables so that I don\'t have to wash, but there were two or three bags and there was no way that the garbage would be taken out because stigma is, there\'s so much out here and that people don\'t really come close to you.'),(11419,30,4660309,4664400,NULL,'So in that sense, so then I said, \"No, no, please give me whatever the steel utensils.'),(11420,30,4664750,4666019,NULL,'At least I can wash them.\"'),(11421,30,4666850,4671669,NULL,'And I think the washing part brought a lot of catharsis in me.'),(11422,30,4671670,4677060,NULL,'I mean, I thought that this is something which I would want to kind of really do that.'),(11423,30,4677580,4680009,NULL,'And yet I think...'),(11424,30,4681309,4688040,NULL,'I mean, one advantage, again was technology.'),(11425,30,4688760,4690219,NULL,'You could actually get the...'),(11426,30,4690849,4693330,NULL,'But the problems which were there.'),(11427,30,4693330,4695549,NULL,'I remember when it...'),(11428,30,4695660,4706860,NULL,'This was one case which came up from America where they said that if you need a ventilator, don\'t give the ventilator to disabled person.'),(11429,30,4706860,4708469,NULL,'And I was taken aback.'),(11430,30,4708500,4709330,NULL,'I said, \"Meaning?\"'),(11431,30,4709340,4720030,NULL,'And this will take me closer to what are some of the issues that are very important for me is the euthanasia.'),(11432,30,4721030,4723070,NULL,'And the eugenics.'),(11433,30,4723700,4731560,NULL,'I mean we in India, we\'ve kind of said that passive euthanasia has been passed in that particular sense.'),(11434,30,4731860,4738050,NULL,'And they also have something called living wills, where they say that you can decide that if you want to live or not.'),(11435,30,4738090,4739040,NULL,'I mean, whatever.'),(11436,30,4739440,4748070,NULL,'And I mean, they\'re talking about a country where kidneys sold and there\'s kidneys is a business kind of a thing in our country.'),(11437,30,4748530,4750630,NULL,'And you\'re talking about living wills where they would...'),(11438,30,4750679,4760700,NULL,'I mean people who are not really who are disabled, they would be kind of forced to kind of do that in one particular sense.'),(11439,30,4760700,4764309,NULL,'I don\'t think consent would be there in that sense.'),(11440,30,4764309,4775770,NULL,'I mean, I remember somebody, you might have heard about him or not, but somebody called Peter Singer, who is another kind of a role model, the anti-role model.'),(11441,30,4776310,4786670,NULL,'I mean, who would say that, \"Why do you need to kind of waste money on a down syndrome and also on these people?'),(11442,30,4786950,4787820,NULL,'I mean, why?'),(11443,30,4788070,4791869,NULL,'You can use the money somewhere fruitfully.\"'),(11444,30,4791869,4798730,NULL,'And that is something which annoys me in every possible way.'),(11445,30,4798730,4802190,NULL,'Vishesh: This was incredibly illuminating.'),(11446,30,4802190,4806740,NULL,'There were so many things and mostly, I wanted to just hear more details.'),(11447,30,4807350,4809889,NULL,'So if anything, have you written...'),(11448,30,4810900,4812270,NULL,'Or what would be your key things...'),(11449,30,4812510,4821230,NULL,'The two things that I really wanted to hear more about, three things, I think were when you went through the social versus medical model and you compared it with sexuality.'),(11450,30,4821570,4822925,NULL,'That felt interesting, but I...'),(11451,30,4822925,4825690,NULL,'Do you have a recommended reading on it?'),(11452,30,4825690,4829800,NULL,'I don\'t think I got a full enough picture from your description just in this.'),(11453,30,4829800,4837989,NULL,'Anita: No, I think maybe what I could do was to send a couple of readings to you.'),(11454,30,4837990,4838469,NULL,'Vishesh: Yeah.'),(11455,30,4839070,4840170,NULL,'Anita: There\'s a-'),(11456,30,4840170,4840200,NULL,'Vishesh: Yes.'),(11457,30,4840200,4840339,NULL,'Anita: There\'s a latest...'),(11458,30,4840389,4843270,NULL,'This thing I wrote in Routledge book.'),(11459,30,4843960,4847170,NULL,'There\'s one on sexuality and sex education, along with it.'),(11460,30,4847460,4853370,NULL,'I mean, I could send you that, and then there could be also...'),(11461,30,4855809,4864379,NULL,'Again, that disabled women agenda of excluded this thing that I think should be read.'),(11462,30,4864530,4869690,NULL,'I mean, because if you are to understand the women\'s movement and education comes up into that, I mean.'),(11463,30,4870770,4872020,NULL,'Vishesh: Yeah, absolutely.'),(11464,30,4872140,4875870,NULL,'Anita: And in that sense, of course, I\'ve written...'),(11465,30,4875889,4878019,NULL,'Then there are two books that I\'ve done.'),(11466,30,4878070,4886420,NULL,'I\'ve done Rethinking Disability in India and I\'ve done Disability in South Asia: Knowledge and Experience.'),(11467,30,4886670,4891990,NULL,'This is a edited book and this is also what I\'m really...'),(11468,30,4892270,4906220,NULL,'I feel proud is that youngsters in India, they\'ve written many, many chapters so I\'m very glad that they are kind of trying to come up to disability studies in that sense.'),(11469,30,4906290,4913980,NULL,'So that also is there, which I could again, send you the references and you can share that with it.'),(11470,30,4914490,4919100,NULL,'I mean, readings, there can be many I could kind of check with you.'),(11471,30,4920410,4923510,NULL,'Maybe not as many as Dan Goodley, whatever I have.'),(11472,30,4923670,4923720,NULL,'[laughter]'),(11473,30,4923720,4923750,NULL,'END'),(13866,22,160,4790,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, in this interview, we\'re simply interested in hearing about your perspectives and practices and experiences in the larger project.'),(13867,22,4820,10899,'Suraj Uttamchandani','We\'re looking at patterns and differences in how a variety of researchers have explored teaching and learning in diverse Indian contexts.'),(13868,22,11580,30900,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Importantly, we want to deeply consider a wide variety of sociocultural groups and center educational equity in this work, so we actively seek perspectives from minoritized groups and connections to important equity issues, such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, indigenous epistemologies, and decolonization.'),(13869,22,30939,37649,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And I say all of that to say, that\'s the larger trajectory of this work, but also that you shouldn\'t feel like you have to talk to all of those issues.'),(13870,22,37649,44320,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Please feel free to just speak to what you are thinking about and working on, and the larger project will hopefully paint that picture.'),(13871,22,44990,45269,'Chandan Dasgupta','Okay.'),(13872,22,45760,47140,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Okay, so shall we dive right in?'),(13873,22,48060,48300,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(13874,22,48550,49610,'Chandan Dasgupta','What do you want me to start with?'),(13875,22,50029,54750,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, let\'s start by talking about a specific project you\'re working on, maybe your current project, or-'),(13876,22,55740,56040,'Chandan Dasgupta','Okay.'),(13877,22,58390,58660,'Suraj Uttamchandani','...specific to India.'),(13878,22,58660,63070,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah, I’ll talk about, so just to set the context, I\'ll talk about two projects.'),(13879,22,64210,66790,'Chandan Dasgupta','One is not research focused.'),(13880,22,67030,74140,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s more of, we call it consultancy project here, like a sponsor...'),(13881,22,74150,77529,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s sort of a sponsored project, not a consultancy.'),(13882,22,77589,83440,'Chandan Dasgupta','An organization had sponsored this project, and I\'m the co-PI on that project.'),(13883,22,84820,87579,'Chandan Dasgupta','But there\'s no research angle to it yet.'),(13884,22,88129,97540,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s mostly like answering a demand in the educational technology, evolving educational technology market right now.'),(13885,22,98050,102780,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then after that, I\'ll talk about one research project.'),(13886,22,103380,109240,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think both of those would help you set the context for the rest of the conversation.'),(13887,22,109750,110000,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Love it.'),(13888,22,112940,116670,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, the first part I was talking about the sponsored project, that\'s called...'),(13889,22,118139,129540,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s sponsored by this group called CSF, Central Square Foundation, and it\'s related to evaluating educational technology products in the Indian market.'),(13890,22,130190,146400,'Chandan Dasgupta','And the reason why it came into existence was that, especially with the lockdown, but even up to the lockdown, the interest around the educational technology and its use in classroom had been growing.'),(13891,22,146869,160730,'Chandan Dasgupta','There were a lot of companies coming up in this space, and especially with the lockdown that threw everyone into this position that they had to adopt it, whether they liked it or not.'),(13892,22,161649,165060,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, then the question was, which one do we select?'),(13893,22,165799,172899,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there wasn\'t a clear way to reach that answer or a clear systematic way to answer that question.'),(13894,22,173579,186450,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s when CSF proposed this project that we need to give a level playing field to all the stakeholders across different parts of India.'),(13895,22,186450,190219,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, these are government stakeholders, principals, schools, as well as parents.'),(13896,22,190850,196510,'Chandan Dasgupta','And all of them would have their own requirements in terms of what they would be looking for from the product.'),(13897,22,196519,208170,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, there was a need to give them this information in a freely accessible and a, sort of, standardized way, which they can use to make their decisions.'),(13898,22,208760,211119,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that was the origin of this project.'),(13899,22,211950,238620,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we were brought into the loop, and we are currently working on creating one instrument that gets started off as one instrument, but it has become a multi-pronged instrument, which has multiple versions and multiple ways of using the instruments to evaluate different ed tech products.'),(13900,22,239190,258719,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, currently we are starting with one type of ed tech product, personalized adaptive learning, and then we\'ll move into DCRs, the digital classroom products, and probably going to game-based learning as well.'),(13901,22,258719,259303,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Nationwide, is it?'),(13902,22,259303,259692,'Chandan Dasgupta','Nationwide, yes.'),(13903,22,259692,260665,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s the ultimate goal.'),(13904,22,260859,282659,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, right now, we\'ve signed up for a two-year contract with the company, with CSF, but we are doing our due diligence in terms of trying to come up with this index and trying to validate and establish its reliability as well.'),(13905,22,283559,294929,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there\'s also a huge pull right now from the governments because they are in the process of tendering and seeking out these ed tech products as we speak.'),(13906,22,295529,304829,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we are also training the government on how to do these evaluations on their own using this index, the current version of the index.'),(13907,22,305389,320969,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s a bit of a balancing act, where we are developing the index while trying to establish its validity and reliability, which is not really the main concern of the stakeholders who want to use it immediately.'),(13908,22,322089,326830,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we are also trying to train them on using this index.'),(13909,22,327520,330429,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, there\'s a training session that\'s happening as well.'),(13910,22,330869,342049,'Chandan Dasgupta','And currently, we are working with one state right now in India, and they have their own requirements of what type of products they\'re looking for and whatnot.'),(13911,22,343220,348179,'Chandan Dasgupta','But the index we have tried to create is applicable at a pan-India level.'),(13912,22,350709,353189,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, it\'s a series of questions that you ask about the product, is it?'),(13913,22,353189,359730,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s a series of questions, a series of criteria focusing on content, pedagogy, and technology.'),(13914,22,359730,362689,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, those are three broad constructs which form the index.'),(13915,22,363289,369189,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then within those, there are multiple criteria to develop different dimensions of the product design.'),(13916,22,369669,372980,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we are approaching product design from these three dimensions.'),(13917,22,373750,386710,'Chandan Dasgupta','And, once we break it down across all these criteria, then we\'re trying to aggregate the evaluation and then give a report back to whoever is interested to use the report.'),(13918,22,387710,399029,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then, since the adoption is becoming a very critical issue right now, whoever wants to use the index, we are training them as well to use it in parallel.'),(13919,22,399750,411510,'Chandan Dasgupta','The only trick there is that we are looking for subject matter experts to use the index in a proper way, which is not really possible all the time for a team to have.'),(13920,22,413020,416579,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s the ongoing balancing act that\'s going on.'),(13921,22,417529,431539,'Chandan Dasgupta','But we are also realizing all the nuances that are there in terms of the different needs from a student\'s perspective, like rural students would have a different kind of need from a software product than urban students.'),(13922,22,432039,433620,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Can you talk a little bit more about that?'),(13923,22,433679,434139,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(13924,22,434139,447470,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we have tried to factor that in a little bit, but we realize that none of the products are designed to pay attention to that sort of difference between the urban and rural needs.'),(13925,22,448000,451340,'Chandan Dasgupta','And even in our team, none of us are...'),(13926,22,451449,468100,'Chandan Dasgupta','None of us can call ourself experts in that sort of research-based understanding, because we have mostly worked with urban students in our projects till now.'),(13927,22,468840,481900,'Chandan Dasgupta','And mostly, before I came into the department, majority of the student population that were part of the research study were college students in Mumbai.'),(13928,22,481900,482195,'Chandan Dasgupta','And perhaps a little bit outside Mumbai as well, but mostly tier one places.'),(13929,22,482195,499380,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, now we are talking about tier two and tier three places, which are in a different context, have a different set of resources available to them.'),(13930,22,500049,515400,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think even this project for us is a big learning opportunity to try to connect with that population and try to learn from them and also try to educate ourselves in what is it that they need from this index.'),(13931,22,516490,516850,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah.'),(13932,22,516870,518399,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I really appreciate what you\'re saying.'),(13933,22,518400,527119,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I feel like that is so often the case, that wherever the university is, it\'s that population that is the one that we know the most about, of course, which is...'),(13934,22,527799,529869,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Of course, happens, for various reasons.'),(13935,22,530149,530719,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(13936,22,531079,533050,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'ll speak for myself a little bit more.'),(13937,22,533290,540459,'Chandan Dasgupta','My handicap right now is that since I moved to India 2017, so it\'s just been three years and a few months now.'),(13938,22,541920,547939,'Chandan Dasgupta','And because I moved continents and I am not from this city, I wasn\'t born and brought up in Mumbai-'),(13939,22,548300,548880,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Where did you...'),(13940,22,549079,550079,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Where were you raised?'),(13941,22,550140,551569,'Chandan Dasgupta','I was born and brought up in Delhi.'),(13942,22,552430,555990,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s a entirely different cultural upbringing there.'),(13943,22,556530,558410,'Chandan Dasgupta','And my family is from West Bengal.'),(13944,22,558519,561630,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s another different context completely.'),(13945,22,562189,564810,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s understanding how people work here.'),(13946,22,565189,567969,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s a different work environment as well.'),(13947,22,568709,579670,'Chandan Dasgupta','And, at the same time, trying to understand how to do research in this environment, and also working my way through the deliverables.'),(13948,22,579670,585390,'Chandan Dasgupta','Some of them are explicitly laid out in terms of what counts for promotion and some of them are not.'),(13949,22,587599,601999,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there\'s a difference between what I\'ve been trained to expect in the US and what\'s expected from me in India in terms of what counts towards promotion and what counts towards good research.'),(13950,22,604209,612259,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think negotiating those spaces for me has been a learning curve in itself.'),(13951,22,612260,631430,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m at this place where only now I\'ve started to become or feel a little bit comfortable to delve more into the research part without worrying about all the other aspects of trying to fit in, in this community.'),(13952,22,631660,634386,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And you\'ve been at IIT for three years now, is it?'),(13953,22,634589,635179,'Chandan Dasgupta','Right, yeah.'),(13954,22,635349,635579,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Right.'),(13955,22,636160,643869,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, that\'s really interesting, and I want to talk more about those differences and how they shape how we should think about research.'),(13956,22,643870,644720,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, maybe it\'s...'),(13957,22,645469,651579,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, you said you were telling us about both that ed tech project and research project, so-'),(13958,22,651639,660689,'Chandan Dasgupta','Right, so the other project which I wanted to talk about is the core of my research work right now.'),(13959,22,661160,664540,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s focusing on collaborative uncertainty management.'),(13960,22,665180,666610,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that topic-'),(13961,22,666630,669310,'Suraj Uttamchandani','You said collaborative uncertainty management?'),(13962,22,669570,670199,'Chandan Dasgupta','Right, yeah.'),(13963,22,670360,671220,'Suraj Uttamchandani','That sounds interesting.'),(13964,22,671879,672149,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(13965,22,672549,673749,'Chandan Dasgupta','And this is...'),(13966,22,674389,687489,'Chandan Dasgupta','I started looking at it specifically in the context of engineering design, but as I added students to my group, I\'ve spread out a bit and looking at science education as well.'),(13967,22,688120,700239,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there has been some work on uncertainty management, especially in the science education, but I haven\'t seen this yet in the engineering education area yet.'),(13968,22,700849,712510,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s what my focus is right now, trying to understand how to leverage this uncertainty management process to learn science and engineering concepts.'),(13969,22,712850,722410,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, is uncertainty management in engineering when you are uncertain of what\'s going to happen and you have to manage that in your current design, is it?'),(13970,22,722660,723860,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah, that\'s part of it.'),(13971,22,723860,735210,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, a little bit more nuanced way of thinking about it could be that when you\'re working with engineering problems, those are open ended and ill-structured in themselves.'),(13972,22,735769,752070,'Chandan Dasgupta','But then when you\'re working in a group, that adds that social uncertainty as well, where you\'re trying to negotiate the space with another person or another set of people, and trying to collaboratively figure out how to work through this ill-structured problem.'),(13973,22,752740,759620,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, there\'s the content uncertainty, and there\'s the social uncertainty or the relational uncertainty as well.'),(13974,22,760320,764729,'Chandan Dasgupta','And both of those are interacting with each other as the problem solving happens.'),(13975,22,765580,769749,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m still learning about the space.'),(13976,22,770330,774630,'Chandan Dasgupta','And two of my students right now are working on this.'),(13977,22,776100,777170,'Chandan Dasgupta','They\'re in their third year.'),(13978,22,777599,784310,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one is focusing on engineering education, another one is focusing on chemistry education.'),(13979,22,784320,787050,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s a little bit different scenario.'),(13980,22,787890,798420,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, are these naturalistic studies, observational studies, or are they design based research studies?'),(13981,22,798420,798711,'Chandan Dasgupta','They\'re design based research.'),(13982,22,798711,800709,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'ll talk a little bit about the data collection also.'),(13983,22,800709,802779,'Chandan Dasgupta','I saw that you had a couple of questions related to that.'),(13984,22,802939,814829,'Chandan Dasgupta','But yeah, broadly, that\'s the focus right now, where we are trying to understand what sort of mechanism is involved in the uncertainty management and how do we...'),(13985,22,815990,816330,'Chandan Dasgupta','Sorry.'),(13986,22,817090,825810,'Chandan Dasgupta','How do we leverage this process for learning, and what else scaffolds can we put in place, and what sort of environment can we design for students?'),(13987,22,826479,841400,'Chandan Dasgupta','To not really ignore or suppress the uncertainty, both from a teacher and student perspective, but maintain it and be comfortable with it and use it towards our learning our goals.'),(13988,22,842090,842380,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(13989,22,842790,860700,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, maybe as, to what you were just saying, can you tell us a little bit about the geographic location or the social context of those studies with whatever specificity is appropriate, and why, what interested you about working with that particular group or in that particular place or with that specific content...'),(13990,22,861939,862670,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Context, rather.'),(13991,22,863229,863449,'Chandan Dasgupta','Right.'),(13992,22,864189,874870,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, till now, the target demographic has been more of a convenient sample, where I worked with middle school students.'),(13993,22,878250,884349,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one set of data is coming from a school which is within IIT, Bombay.'),(13994,22,886019,892469,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s Kendriya Vidyalaya, so it\'s a central government CBSE board school.'),(13995,22,893420,899140,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there, we have done one round of data collection in the science classroom, grade six.'),(13996,22,899140,906650,'Chandan Dasgupta','And this set is coming from a set of workshops that we did with, again, grade six to grade eight students.'),(13997,22,907580,915449,'Chandan Dasgupta','But then these students were students of faculty members, of staff within IIT.'),(13998,22,915459,927319,'Chandan Dasgupta','They did go to schools which are outside the campus or outside IIT Bombay, but all of them have this common thread of them being present on-site campus.'),(13999,22,927889,937169,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that has been more of a convenient sample for me, because they were easy to get hold of.'),(14000,22,939709,946959,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, in terms of the diversity, I would say it\'s not really diverse and it\'s a biased and skewed sample.'),(14001,22,946959,958610,'Chandan Dasgupta','But I\'m trying to work my way through the school system here and trying to build a relationship with the schools here, because part of the challenge is that...'),(14002,22,958880,971530,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one is to convince them that this is an ethically-conducted research, and we are using the video just for research.'),(14003,22,972959,984520,'Chandan Dasgupta','And a related thing with that is that people here are not very comfortable with cameras in the classroom, especially for a research perspective.'),(14004,22,985760,988880,'Chandan Dasgupta','Cameras in the classroom would mean a different thing.'),(14005,22,989059,994880,'Chandan Dasgupta','Maybe it\'s more of a journalistic thing than a class thing.'),(14006,22,994890,1007980,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, making the school or the classroom used to that, and also trying to tackle the ethics part of it, because there wasn\'t...'),(14007,22,1008229,1013110,'Chandan Dasgupta','There isn\'t still a very rigorous ethics clearance thing to it.'),(14008,22,1013759,1020789,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I think this is part of the process where the ethics board was set up mainly to handle biological research.'),(14009,22,1021729,1029419,'Chandan Dasgupta','And slowly, with more and more educational and social science research, they\'ve been evolving and the processes are changing as well.'),(14010,22,1029999,1038889,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m currently part of one new ethics board, which is coming up in IIT, Bombay, which is specifically designed for social science research.'),(14011,22,1039589,1055710,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we are trying to make the process simpler and much more open to social science research and not very discouraging of the different things which are typically the case in biological ethics clearance process.'),(14012,22,1057249,1058019,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, it\'s...'),(14013,22,1058889,1059229,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Go ahead.'),(14014,22,1060219,1062639,'Chandan Dasgupta','No, I think I went on a tangent there.'),(14015,22,1062820,1063850,'Suraj Uttamchandani','No, I think you were...'),(14016,22,1063959,1069780,'Suraj Uttamchandani','It\'s really interesting to hear about those specific challenges because in some sense, some of them are...'),(14017,22,1070550,1080329,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Obviously, they\'re specifically situated, but they\'re also something universal about building trust with whoever it is, and people\'s suspicion about video cameras and all.'),(14018,22,1080749,1092389,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Are there other challenges that have happened in terms of conducting research in this context that you\'d like to talk about in terms of maybe getting funding or sharing your work or building that trust, or do you feel like you\'ve said the big ones?'),(14019,22,1094469,1096870,'Chandan Dasgupta','From a research perspective, I said the big ones.'),(14020,22,1096879,1114729,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, funding here, and that speaks to the way the expectations are set up, is that getting funds is not really the main focus of being here or being present here as a faculty.'),(14021,22,1115340,1121989,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s predominantly teaching, publishing papers, and then guiding PhD students.'),(14022,22,1122550,1131409,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that is part of the way the system is designed, where the funding comes from the central government.'),(14023,22,1133149,1140860,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that takes care of students\' funding and students\' work that they\'re doing.'),(14024,22,1142250,1155540,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I have tried my hand at a couple of funding agencies and granting agencies, both government and private, but I haven\'t had success with them yet.'),(14025,22,1156969,1166790,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m still trying to understand what sort of expectations they have, because educational research is still very new in India.'),(14026,22,1168220,1172189,'Chandan Dasgupta','And people don\'t know what learning sciences is.'),(14027,22,1172669,1198989,'Chandan Dasgupta','Educational technology, that\'s the name of the department that I\'m in, that\'s somewhat more recognized than learning sciences, but as such, the discipline or the area of research, the kind of work that gets submitted for funding is not very mainstream core engineering research that is typically expected by different funding agencies.'),(14028,22,1199789,1205070,'Chandan Dasgupta','And it\'s not also cognitive science, which is a more established domain here.'),(14029,22,1205080,1213919,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s all negotiating that space and trying to understand how to frame the research to get through the funding agencies.'),(14030,22,1215509,1218749,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s part of the challenge that I\'m trying to work through.'),(14031,22,1220969,1221319,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah.'),(14032,22,1221320,1236370,'Suraj Uttamchandani','It seems like simply establishing not only educational research, but also specifically the kind of educational research that is really common in the learning sciences, video-based, semi qualitative and quantitative, these different things, is a really hard...'),(14033,22,1236639,1243030,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Because, of course, there\'s all these different moving parts, the stakeholders, the data collection, these things that you have to make legible.'),(14034,22,1244370,1246980,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, maybe the flip side of that, is there anything about...'),(14035,22,1248289,1249049,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Excuse me.'),(14036,22,1249519,1249909,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s all right.'),(14037,22,1249909,1259578,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I\'ll just turn that off.'),(14038,22,1259578,1260619,'Suraj Uttamchandani','We\'re just going to let that ring out.'),(14039,22,1262439,1263889,'Chandan Dasgupta','You can take it if you want.'),(14040,22,1264249,1265209,'Suraj Uttamchandani','No, it\'s not me.'),(14041,22,1265559,1268830,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I\'m currently at my parents\' house for the new year.'),(14042,22,1268840,1269980,'Chandan Dasgupta','Oh, that\'s nice.'),(14043,22,1270090,1273379,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And the truth is, I don\'t have a phone in my house.'),(14044,22,1273550,1274860,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I have my cell phone only.'),(14045,22,1275100,1280210,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, every time I\'m here, I forget that there is a landline phone until it rings in the middle of a call.'),(14046,22,1280659,1307750,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, maybe we can talk a little bit about the flip side of that, that is there anything in terms of doing this kind of research that is feeling really easy or natural or intuitive in this context that you think, oh, that is coming really easily and there\'s something really likable about doing research, maybe around sharing work, or explaining it to others, or working with particular teachers or student groups, is there anything that feels really...'),(14047,22,1308520,1312779,'Suraj Uttamchandani','That we could learn about because it comes so easily or feels so natural to you?'),(14048,22,1312779,1344969,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I cannot speak for the broader Indian context, but I\'ll speak for this particular setting that I\'m in, working with my colleagues here in the ET department, educational technology department, and also working with the extended community here of researchers who are slowly getting, I would say, trained in learning sciences research.'),(14049,22,1345009,1349090,'Chandan Dasgupta','And these are faculty from other departments who are interested in educational research.'),(14050,22,1350099,1351629,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that\'s...'),(14051,22,1352219,1364110,'Chandan Dasgupta','I would say because it\'s fairly new, that leaves the field open to try out new things in their classroom at an undergrad level.'),(14052,22,1364580,1368999,'Chandan Dasgupta','And they\'re open and receptive to different ways of teaching and different suggestions.'),(14053,22,1369709,1382749,'Chandan Dasgupta','And so, that gives a space for me to try out different theoretical concepts, which I haven\'t been able to try out in classrooms per se.'),(14054,22,1384399,1384529,'Chandan Dasgupta','So-'),(14055,22,1384529,1386739,'Suraj Uttamchandani','You\'re talking about different faculty members?'),(14056,22,1387519,1393609,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah, different faculty members in IIT, and just working with them and collaborating with them.'),(14057,22,1393609,1395669,'Chandan Dasgupta','And this is across IITs.'),(14058,22,1395669,1403010,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m currently collaborating with a person in the civil department who is interested in problem-based learning.'),(14059,22,1403779,1410309,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then there\'s another faculty in IIT Guwahati, who\'s interested in design based learning.'),(14060,22,1410309,1417050,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, we are figuring out and helping each other based on whatever we know.'),(14061,22,1417560,1420779,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I am trying to pitch in with my learning sciences background.'),(14062,22,1421409,1431439,'Chandan Dasgupta','But that\'s more at a faculty level collaboration and trying to figure out how to set the research space.'),(14063,22,1432120,1436790,'Chandan Dasgupta','And so, that\'s been easy in a way, because there\'s no one else doing it.'),(14064,22,1437709,1441659,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, there\'s not a lot of competition, so to say.'),(14065,22,1442860,1449209,'Chandan Dasgupta','But that also is a bit like, leaves the room for a lot of...'),(14066,22,1449629,1453809,'Chandan Dasgupta','You don\'t get feedback on what you\'re doing a lot.'),(14067,22,1453909,1459399,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I use ICLS as my community to get that feedback from.'),(14068,22,1460019,1490419,'Chandan Dasgupta','But in terms of what\'s really easy or what\'s working here is that students here are very open to learning about learning sciences, about collaborative learning, and almost assimilating this line of research or this body of knowledge, which has not been the main focus in some say, in a lot of ways.'),(14069,22,1491509,1499639,'Chandan Dasgupta','And it\'s not to say I\'ve started this, but the department has been doing a lot of learning sciences research for the last 10 years.'),(14070,22,1501159,1516519,'Chandan Dasgupta','It just hadn\'t been formalized or given the spin on saying things or framing things had not been from the perspective of learning sciences.'),(14071,22,1517550,1535169,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, just to give you an example, we had been using this phrase called thinking skills for a very long time, and that is a pillar or a strand of research that the department does.'),(14072,22,1535939,1551639,'Chandan Dasgupta','And when you say thinking skills, the first thing that comes to our mind as learning sciences is that it\'s a very cognitive science-focused construct, which is focused inside, which is focused on the learner, on a one learner inside the head.'),(14073,22,1552929,1557019,'Chandan Dasgupta','But when you dig deeper into what the department is doing, it\'s not really that.'),(14074,22,1557089,1561959,'Chandan Dasgupta','They are looking at the whole learning environment, and how that\'s influencing what the learner is doing.'),(14075,22,1562499,1565750,'Chandan Dasgupta','They are building a lot of systems to help the learner.'),(14076,22,1565750,1567974,'Chandan Dasgupta','They\'re thinking about scaffolding and all that.'),(14077,22,1568349,1569979,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, recently, we moved...'),(14078,22,1570179,1576879,'Chandan Dasgupta','We are trying to move away from calling it thinking skills and reframing the argument from a disciplinary practice perspective.'),(14079,22,1576879,1583219,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s a learning process for everyone in the department.'),(14080,22,1583909,1585030,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m also trying to...'),(14081,22,1585030,1605229,'Chandan Dasgupta','I did not anticipate that this would be a bridge, but it\'s a fun bridge to cross and establish, because it\'s helping me connect with what the department has been doing as well, and what I have been doing in the learning sciences community till now.'),(14082,22,1605629,1621030,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, I feel like this is one of the things that is such a double-edged sword about the learning sciences, is that because it is so interdisciplinary, you can affiliate with, you can say, oh, I\'m talking to cognitive scientists, I\'m talking to educational researchers, I\'m talking to computer scientists.'),(14083,22,1621070,1628229,'Suraj Uttamchandani','But then the downside is that there\'s always some difference between you and those that you have to say, but it\'s not exactly that.'),(14084,22,1628229,1642229,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And it sounds like there\'s been a lot of power in the last few years in really being able to name that kind of in between space and give it a name and say there actually is a whole large body of research and people doing this kind of work.'),(14085,22,1642229,1644429,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, that\'s a good transition to say so.'),(14086,22,1644449,1647479,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I assume that you partially identify as a learning scientist.'),(14087,22,1647479,1657689,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, perhaps the formal question is, thinking about venues where you present and publish your work, can you tell us about what field or research community you position yourself in or locate your work in?'),(14088,22,1658689,1665089,'Chandan Dasgupta','Right, so primarily, I would say the ICLS has been my main venue in terms of publications.'),(14089,22,1665909,1677249,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I have one journal publication in JEE, Journal of Engineering Education, and one in computers and education.'),(14090,22,1678989,1686420,'Chandan Dasgupta','But primarily, in terms of where I feel at home, it would be the ICLS community to a large extent.'),(14091,22,1687000,1695290,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m also part of some Asia-Pacific learning sciences focused research groups.'),(14092,22,1696110,1700440,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one conference that I\'m part of is the ICALT...'),(14093,22,1700629,1702010,'Chandan Dasgupta','Actually, yeah, mostly one.'),(14094,22,1702480,1706409,'Chandan Dasgupta','ICALT, that\'s International Conference in Advanced Learning Technologies.'),(14095,22,1707039,1710320,'Chandan Dasgupta','And we have a learning science focused track in there.'),(14096,22,1710340,1714029,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m the track chair for that.'),(14097,22,1714629,1723870,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m also partly affiliated with another conference, ICCE, International Conference on Computers in Education.'),(14098,22,1723939,1727290,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s focused on Asia-Pacific computer education research.'),(14099,22,1727999,1741610,'Chandan Dasgupta','And another faculty in my department, Sahana, who referred you to me, she\'s more involved in that conference specifically, but I\'m aware of what\'s happening there as well.'),(14100,22,1742179,1743099,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, those two are...'),(14101,22,1743679,1746979,'Chandan Dasgupta','They\'re communities where we publish our work.'),(14102,22,1746979,1749659,'Chandan Dasgupta','We, as in me and my students, publish our work as well.'),(14103,22,1750439,1757620,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then we have one conference which is specifically in India called Technology for Education.'),(14104,22,1757689,1767979,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s local, and it\'s funded by IEEE, but it\'s focused on Indian teachers, Indian researchers working in the ed.'),(14105,22,1767989,1768699,'Chandan Dasgupta','tech space.'),(14106,22,1770360,1782929,'Chandan Dasgupta','And we are sort of like mostly, it has been led by IIT Bombay till now, with some contribution from HBCSE as well, Homi Bhabha Center for Science Education.'),(14107,22,1785580,1789499,'Chandan Dasgupta','But that\'s a growing community in India as well.'),(14108,22,1790309,1794389,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, those are the different places where I publish my work.'),(14109,22,1795139,1795639,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah.'),(14110,22,1795699,1798370,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Do you feel...'),(14111,22,1798769,1799839,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Well, never mind, actually.'),(14112,22,1799840,1800879,'Suraj Uttamchandani','That\'s not a good question.'),(14113,22,1801169,1805809,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I\'m going to combine two questions and let you answer them however makes most sense to you.'),(14114,22,1805809,1811749,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, the questions are basically, in general, what is your general research program, because we haven\'t really fully said that.'),(14115,22,1811759,1820110,'Suraj Uttamchandani','But I think the sibling question that\'s perhaps related to what we were just talking about is, what kinds of theories have informed and shaped your work?'),(14116,22,1820120,1824899,'Suraj Uttamchandani','What other works, thinkers, or schools of thought that have influenced your work broadly?'),(14117,22,1825469,1834669,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, just zooming out a little bit, as we\'ve talked about two specific projects, if there\'s any kind of connecting thread or overarching research program you can tell us about for you.'),(14118,22,1835689,1842509,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I have been very strongly influenced by the productive disciplinary engagement framework.'),(14119,22,1843340,1849799,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that was one of the central pieces in my dissertation thesis as well, PhD dissertation.'),(14120,22,1850749,1870909,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that has been informing how I\'m looking at my research right now and trying to unpack the different pieces to it and trying to understand what productive or disciplinary or engagement would mean in my current research direction.'),(14121,22,1872489,1905330,'Chandan Dasgupta','But in addition to that, I\'m also exploring CHAT a little bit more, because that\'s giving me the space to explore this interaction between what sort of cultural background the students are bringing in, or their learning differences, learning that they\'re bringing in, and how that\'s influencing the concept that they\'re learning.'),(14122,22,1905330,1905840,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s...'),(14123,22,1907379,1935300,'Chandan Dasgupta','I\'m exploring that in one of my research on feedback seeking, where I\'m trying to understand how students seek feedback and what sort of cues do they use to understand that I can seek feedback from such and such person while doing problem solving, or this is the right moment to reach out to X, Y, and Z to ask for help.'),(14124,22,1935830,1936429,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s...'),(14125,22,1936810,1946299,'Chandan Dasgupta','I\'m just exploring that space a little bit more, and maybe CHAT would inform my future research direction to a large extent.'),(14126,22,1946879,1965280,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, that\'s very interesting, because feedback seeking is so obviously fundamental to learning and to how people improve and all, but it also is so culturally situated and contextually situated what kinds of feedback you would or wouldn\'t ask and when you would ask and all like that.'),(14127,22,1966020,1982489,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that also gives me an opportunity to know more about the cultural context here, because I still consider myself an outsider to the cultural context here, partially because I\'ve been in US for 10 years now.'),(14128,22,1982489,1985719,'Chandan Dasgupta','I had been in US for 10 plus years.'),(14129,22,1986269,1989459,'Chandan Dasgupta','And before that, like I said, I wasn\'t in Mumbai.'),(14130,22,1989469,1995929,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, both those things are putting me in a space where I don\'t consider myself an insider yet.'),(14131,22,1996550,2010139,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think CHAT is a good excuse for me to learn about the context, as well as see how to align my research in a way which is helpful for this local context.'),(14132,22,2011259,2015454,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I think HBCSE and a lot of people there do this really well.'),(14133,22,2015649,2022289,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m trying to learn from them as well on what sort of work that they do, how to they do it.'),(14134,22,2022919,2026370,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, it\'s an ongoing process right now.'),(14135,22,2027090,2042129,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, I feel like CHAT, and then also, which I think people would understand as an extension of CHAT, this, especially last few years, recent work on politics and ethical perspectives on learning in the learning sciences has been, I think, really, really productive.'),(14136,22,2042469,2065350,'Suraj Uttamchandani','But part of why me and Vishesh and Gayithri and Deborah and others, I think, have been so drawn to doing this larger project around the South Asian learning scientist research collective is also this recurring sense that, why is it that some people are understood as having culture and that things being culturally situated and other people are positioned as normal or context free?'),(14137,22,2065389,2073490,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And I feel like CHAT is a theoretical position that doesn\'t assume that, which is part of what I think makes it so friendly to more...'),(14138,22,2074840,2075370,'Suraj Uttamchandani','To uses-'),(14139,22,2075370,2077570,'Chandan Dasgupta','Exploratory work, yeah.'),(14140,22,2079550,2085880,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, that makes me think it would be interesting to transition to hearing more about your trajectory as an individual.'),(14141,22,2085880,2101025,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, I don\'t know if I said this earlier, but I\'ll just say it again, of course, as I ask these questions, please feel free to pass any question that you either don\'t want to answer or don\'t have a particular good answer to, or if you just want to interpret the question whatever what you want and say whatever in response it\'s also okay.'),(14142,22,2101030,2101370,'Chandan Dasgupta','Okay.'),(14143,22,2101960,2111809,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, at this point, it would be really fun to just hear your story of how you got into the learning sciences and then made your way to the States and then made your way back to IIT.'),(14144,22,2113070,2119270,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, I guess the broad question is, what motivated you to these research interests?'),(14145,22,2120100,2120190,'Chandan Dasgupta','Okay.'),(14146,22,2120510,2133780,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, if I had to backtrack, I didn\'t really start my research journey to become a learning scientist.'),(14147,22,2135530,2148270,'Chandan Dasgupta','In fact, it was mainly to get away from being a software engineer in an Indian company for three years, where I couldn\'t see myself doing that for the rest of my life.'),(14148,22,2148279,2150380,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I knew what I did not want to do.'),(14149,22,2151120,2173750,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that put me on a trajectory of getting into a master\'s program in human computer interaction at Georgia Tech, where I just happened to meet Janet Kolodner in her lab, and was fortunate enough to get funding to work with her on her projects.'),(14150,22,2174319,2195160,'Chandan Dasgupta','And from there on, I learned about learning sciences, and I had been passionate about teaching and working for educational NGOs here in India when I was working as a software engineer, but I had never considered pursuing that as a formal research direction.'),(14151,22,2196059,2207870,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, just knowing about learning sciences, and this was back in 2007, 2008, 2009, where learning sciences was itself a developing field.'),(14152,22,2209710,2232639,'Chandan Dasgupta','But understanding that there\'s a group of researchers who share the same passion and share the same set of goals and are open to doing the things, I think that opened up the space for me to explore different things in learning sciences.'),(14153,22,2233150,2240720,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then I went for my PhD in learning sciences at UIC, where I was working with Tom Moher.'),(14154,22,2241390,2261640,'Chandan Dasgupta','And so, that helped me merge my computer science background and more of the learning sciences focused, and do a lot of design based research, working with school kids and designing environments for them, working with teachers.'),(14155,22,2262140,2264670,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think that sort of helped me....'),(14156,22,2266930,2272900,'Chandan Dasgupta','That set the trajectory for me in learning sciences and as an educational researcher.'),(14157,22,2275110,2275670,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah-'),(14158,22,2275670,2277260,'Chandan Dasgupta','I don\'t know if I\'ve answered your question.'),(14159,22,2277270,2278370,'Suraj Uttamchandani','You have, you have.'),(14160,22,2278890,2287430,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, then perhaps the second part of the story, so then when you finished your PhD, what kind of trajectory took you back to India?'),(14161,22,2288650,2296560,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, after my PhD, I was able to get a postdoc position at Purdue for one and a half...'),(14162,22,2296560,2297339,'Chandan Dasgupta','Two years.'),(14163,22,2297850,2302740,'Chandan Dasgupta','And this was in the Computer Information Technology department.'),(14164,22,2302740,2305099,'Chandan Dasgupta','I think that\'s called Purdue Polytechnic right now.'),(14165,22,2306839,2311410,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there, the focus was a lot on engineering education.'),(14166,22,2312049,2324570,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that helped me solidify my research more in engineering education and explore more of the computer-based or CSCL sort of research there.'),(14167,22,2326750,2336220,'Chandan Dasgupta','How I ended up moving back to India is an interesting story as well, because it had always been on the card for me, both me and my wife.'),(14168,22,2336810,2354840,'Chandan Dasgupta','We didn\'t oppose the idea of moving back to India, but we didn\'t consider it very seriously as well, because I wasn\'t sure of what sort of research would be possible here which would allow me to keep on doing the learning sciences related work.'),(14169,22,2356099,2360269,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I wasn\'t aware of the group here at IIT Bombay doing this work.'),(14170,22,2360969,2366360,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I just happened to run into them in one of their conferences organized by HBCSE.'),(14171,22,2368130,2369250,'Chandan Dasgupta','It was called epiSTEME.'),(14172,22,2370860,2376020,'Chandan Dasgupta','And there, I ran into this group at IIT Bombay, and then we started talking.'),(14173,22,2376040,2378659,'Chandan Dasgupta','We were in touch for around two to three years.'),(14174,22,2379349,2384220,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, this was throughout the time I was finishing up my PhD and throughout my postdoc.'),(14175,22,2385040,2398870,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I was also building up my resume so that I\'d be able to apply for a position here and fulfill the requirements that are necessary here to become a faculty.'),(14176,22,2399850,2405970,'Chandan Dasgupta','And then it just clicked that 2017 was the year for me to move back.'),(14177,22,2407600,2413529,'Chandan Dasgupta','And also, due to some personal reasons, I had to come back and be near my parents.'),(14178,22,2414319,2423760,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think both of those were reasons for me to come back and be here in India.'),(14179,22,2426300,2427700,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, thank you for sharing that.'),(14180,22,2427710,2428129,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I think...'),(14181,22,2429420,2437040,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I didn\'t know you were a software engineer before, but it\'s interesting that software engineering to HCI to learning sciences.'),(14182,22,2437069,2439200,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And it makes sense when you tell it.'),(14183,22,2439200,2441780,'Suraj Uttamchandani','You\'re like, oh, I see how that happened.'),(14184,22,2442830,2446410,'Suraj Uttamchandani','But when you look across the whole story, you\'re like, oh, you went pretty far.'),(14185,22,2447580,2454050,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, at this point, it might be interesting to hear a little bit about how you\'re thinking about social impact, equity, inclusion, access.'),(14186,22,2454050,2458810,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And again, I want to say, speak only to this issue to whatever degree makes sense for you.'),(14187,22,2459160,2467540,'Suraj Uttamchandani','But how have you thought about your work with respect to social issues in India or your community, or to put that question a different way, who do you hope benefits from your work?'),(14188,22,2470559,2471507,'Chandan Dasgupta','To be very frank, I haven\'t spent a lot of time thinking about a particular issue in that space, but that also comes from the fact that I\'m learning about the context here and trying to understand.'),(14189,22,2471507,2473730,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one of the things I\'ve been trying to do more of is find research which have been done by Indian researchers here in India.'),(14190,22,2473730,2511600,'Chandan Dasgupta','And HBCSE and TISS has a lot of those in their repository.'),(14191,22,2511600,2513460,'Chandan Dasgupta','I\'m trying to read up more on that.'),(14192,22,2515980,2534380,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I wouldn\'t say that I have actively focused on those issues right now, but hopefully, over the next coming few years, I would hope that it would become part of my research direction, and I\'m consciously working towards that.'),(14193,22,2536290,2545869,'Chandan Dasgupta','Part of the population who I feel I would like to see benefited from my research is the rural population.'),(14194,22,2545869,2548190,'Chandan Dasgupta','Definitely, urban is where I am.'),(14195,22,2548870,2558300,'Chandan Dasgupta','And, by default, I think that they would benefit because IIT Bombay is here, and it has this...'),(14196,22,2558300,2567670,'Chandan Dasgupta','There\'s a natural osmosis of ideas from IIT Bombay to places which are around IIT Bombay in the city.'),(14197,22,2569210,2577500,'Chandan Dasgupta','But that\'s not the case with places which are not in the near vicinity in terms of the geographic vicinity.'),(14198,22,2578380,2586070,'Chandan Dasgupta','And increasingly, so we recently opened up the master\'s program in educational technology from last year [2019].'),(14199,22,2586670,2593110,'Chandan Dasgupta','And we are getting a lot of students from very diverse background.'),(14200,22,2593610,2598939,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that\'s helping me connect with their background as well and different contexts that they\'re coming from.'),(14201,22,2599660,2603780,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that\'s helping me understand the space, which I\'m not familiar with.'),(14202,22,2604670,2612409,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I think they are taking ideas with them back to their community, their villages.'),(14203,22,2613030,2618250,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I think those are the people ultimately whom I would like to see benefited from my work.'),(14204,22,2619890,2621490,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, I really appreciate that.'),(14205,22,2621570,2628880,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And I think technology is so interesting as an entry point, but I think educational technology carries with it a little bit more of that.'),(14206,22,2630000,2635599,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Hopefully, carries is within a sense of wanting to deploy towards some purpose.'),(14207,22,2636229,2645390,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And I also really appreciated what you said about reading Indian authors who have been writing around this kind of work and prioritizing some of those perspectives.'),(14208,22,2645390,2655440,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, that leads to a natural transition about your evaluation of the climate of educational research and specifically learning sciences research in India.'),(14209,22,2656340,2662830,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, what ongoing efforts led by researchers in India have you come across that you are really excited about?'),(14210,22,2662830,2672520,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Feel free to name specific projects or researchers, or just speak generally about what is exciting to you right now about learning sciences in educational research in India.'),(14211,22,2674790,2681950,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one, I already mentioned about the T4E, Technology for Education conference, which is being run.'),(14212,22,2681960,2690550,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s helping connect multiple people across India who have interest in educational research.'),(14213,22,2690560,2690960,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that-'),(14214,22,2690960,2694260,'Suraj Uttamchandani','And could you say that, that conference is also with teachers and all?'),(14215,22,2694780,2694860,'Suraj Uttamchandani','[inaudible]'),(14216,22,2695030,2695550,'Suraj Uttamchandani','.<v Chandan Dasgupta> Yeah, right, right.'),(14217,22,2695590,2695940,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(14218,22,2697340,2712440,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I\'m very excited to be part of that group because it\'s helping me connect with other researchers and other practitioners in India, and understand the challenges or whatever works for them.'),(14219,22,2713780,2723990,'Chandan Dasgupta','The other effort which has been ongoing for the past one, one and a half years is that we are trying to establish an educational technology society in India.'),(14220,22,2725550,2745330,'Chandan Dasgupta','And that\'s mainly towards bringing together a lot of different efforts that we have seen happen related to teachers, professional development, related to education research, a lot of work which HBCSE does, a lot of work that we do.'),(14221,22,2745660,2765170,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that\'s more of a formal community that we are trying to form and get visibility at India-wide level, and which may also have possibly some say in the policy matters related to education.'),(14222,22,2766420,2770500,'Chandan Dasgupta','But that\'s a very far fetched idea right now.'),(14223,22,2770500,2782170,'Chandan Dasgupta','It\'s just a matter of right now, we are trying to get the members together, get people connected, establish a common shared goal across all these diverse stakeholders in that community.'),(14224,22,2783330,2789010,'Chandan Dasgupta','But these are evolving things which are very exciting to be part of in India.'),(14225,22,2789389,2790350,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, I really like...'),(14226,22,2792349,2795159,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Perhaps far in the future, but not so farfetched.'),(14227,22,2795160,2797440,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I really like that dreaming big.'),(14228,22,2797690,2806619,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, related to that, what kinds of work do you want to see more of moving forward, or to put it a different way, if you were in charge, what would you...'),(14229,22,2807110,2817060,'Suraj Uttamchandani','What kinds of frameworks, methods, epistemologies, contexts, research focuses do you wish were more prevalent or would you want to see people work on more in the future?'),(14230,22,2817560,2817740,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(14231,22,2820000,2822210,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, one is definitely CHAT.'),(14232,22,2822740,2829649,'Chandan Dasgupta','That\'s something which I am interested in right now, so maybe that\'s why I\'m saying that as one of my answers.'),(14233,22,2829650,2834639,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, but in this story, you\'re in charge, so you get to say whatever you want.'),(14234,22,2834639,2834659,'Chandan Dasgupta','Yeah.'),(14235,22,2834659,2855790,'Chandan Dasgupta','But the other thing I think we have been practicing, trying to practice in the department is the communities of practice or the legitimate peripheral participation, and using that as a way of understanding, and talking to stakeholders at different levels, but also framing research.'),(14236,22,2856590,2869250,'Chandan Dasgupta','Even within design based research, these are all different things which can be tried out to understand different aspects of the learning environment.'),(14237,22,2869250,2888111,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, going forward, I would like to see more of, say, ethnographic work or just more of design based research at a very broad level, because that\'s still not very widespread or widely accepted as a valid way of doing research.'),(14238,22,2888111,2896359,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think the more of that we do, the more widespread and accepted that would be.'),(14239,22,2898130,2899109,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, thank you.'),(14240,22,2899110,2901019,'Suraj Uttamchandani','That\'s a really illuminating answer.'),(14241,22,2901090,2909340,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, to bring us to a close here, what advice do you have to newcomers to educational research in India?'),(14242,22,2911780,2921360,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Either to somebody who is contextually situated in India, or to an outsider, either way, whichever question is more compelling to you.'),(14243,22,2921500,2924179,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, this would come across as a general preaching.'),(14244,22,2924179,2925463,'Chandan Dasgupta','I don\'t-'),(14245,22,2925463,2926747,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Please preach.'),(14246,22,2926747,2929315,'Suraj Uttamchandani','The platform is yours.'),(14247,22,2929315,2943529,'Chandan Dasgupta','Well, I think what worked for me, and this was some advice which I was given and which helped me settle in, was not to come with this grand plan of changing the system overnight.'),(14248,22,2944250,2955879,'Chandan Dasgupta','And when you\'re trained in education research or learning science research, you feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case.'),(14249,22,2955890,2958050,'Chandan Dasgupta','You are coming to a different context.'),(14250,22,2958050,2965590,'Chandan Dasgupta','You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective.'),(14251,22,2966100,2978612,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India.'),(14252,22,2978612,2988709,'Chandan Dasgupta','I think that would reduce the frustration to a large extent when you hit across the different worlds as you proceed.'),(14253,22,2988710,3002100,'Chandan Dasgupta','But also, I think being prepared for not holding yourself up to the same set of parameters that you may have held if you were in US.'),(14254,22,3002650,3022420,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, if I were in the US at a similar juncture in my career, I would be very focused on grant writing and paying a lot of attention on getting funding for my projects, which this system is not really...'),(14255,22,3025450,3028240,'Chandan Dasgupta','Not encouraging, it\'s sort of putting emphasis somewhere else.'),(14256,22,3029490,3033590,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, being open to that sort of change in the focus.'),(14257,22,3034340,3041530,'Chandan Dasgupta','And I\'m even thankful for that, because I don\'t have to worry about funding to a large extent.'),(14258,22,3042150,3055330,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that leaves me to think freely about the nature of the research that I do, not worrying about what the funding agencies want me to do.'),(14259,22,3055330,3058840,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, that works both ways when you\'re moving to a different context.'),(14260,22,3059320,3065270,'Chandan Dasgupta','But I think being open to those sort of situations and making the best of what\'s there available for you.'),(14261,22,3065779,3068280,'Chandan Dasgupta','So, I think those two would be the big things for me.'),(14262,22,3069740,3070630,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Yeah, thank you.'),(14263,22,3070670,3074080,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I think the funding issue is really interesting too, because we keep returning to it.'),(14264,22,3074090,3083400,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I feel like the funding situation in the US is actually something that I\'m quite critical of, because I think it seems to get the...'),(14265,22,3084010,3092300,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I really shouldn\'t say this on recording, but I know that it\'s funding the research, but sometimes it feels to me like it\'s getting in the way of research.'),(14266,22,3095540,3100119,'Suraj Uttamchandani','So, just closing out here, is there anything else that...'),(14267,22,3100479,3101759,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Let me rephrase.'),(14268,22,3102020,3107880,'Suraj Uttamchandani','What else would you like to add about your research work or the broader research community in India that we missed talking about today?'),(14269,22,3110680,3111420,'Chandan Dasgupta','Nothing really.'),(14270,22,3111430,3116163,'Chandan Dasgupta','I think we covered everything.'),(14271,22,3116163,3117120,'Chandan Dasgupta','Nothing else to add to that.'),(14272,22,3117849,3118339,'Suraj Uttamchandani','Okay.'),(14273,22,3119349,3120700,'Suraj Uttamchandani','It\'s really nice to chat with you.'),(14274,22,3120700,3124630,'Suraj Uttamchandani','I\'m really glad to put a face to the name, and this has been really, really illuminating-'),(14275,22,3124640,3125100,'Chandan Dasgupta','Same here.'),(14276,22,3125410,3139990,'Chandan Dasgupta','Thanks for the really thoughtful questions, and giving me the space to be open about a lot of things and express my views.'),(16331,34,0,24028,'Vishesh Kumar','So how would you introduce yourself and work in a general way to start off?'),(16332,34,24028,25630,'Tathagata Sengupta','Okay.'),(16333,34,25630,52863,'Tathagata Sengupta','So I am academically sort of trained in mathematics, so I did my PhD in algebraic geometry.'),(16334,34,52863,126770,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so then I, kind of, sort of took up a position at University of Hyderabad, Mathematics Department, where I taught for around, I think, six years or so.'),(16335,34,126779,127203,'Tathagata Sengupta','I was teaching mainly master students and PhD students.'),(16336,34,127203,252979,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, while teaching mathematics courses, of course, you run into several sort of questions, fundamental kind of questions around education itself, around the act of teaching or learning itself.'),(16337,34,253859,258850,'Tathagata Sengupta','But for me, it was also...'),(16338,34,258850,263920,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I was kind of not very unhappy with my experience within the classroom.'),(16339,34,264420,273000,'Tathagata Sengupta','In fact, one of the most happy times I spent in the university where when I was in the classroom and [inaudible]'),(16340,34,276460,279929,'Tathagata Sengupta','.<v Tathagata Sengupta> But what bothered me was, kind of, the idea of the university in general.'),(16341,34,280389,286869,'Tathagata Sengupta','So overall, what was going on in the university, and generally speaking, the university system.'),(16342,34,287119,289500,'Tathagata Sengupta','And also what was going on in the mathematics department.'),(16343,34,292610,304009,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these were not necessarily technically speaking issues to deal directly with learning mathematics, but things like how...'),(16344,34,311270,315760,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, there are several anecdotal things I can maybe cite.'),(16345,34,315809,317939,'Tathagata Sengupta','But just take one example.'),(16346,34,317939,326150,'Tathagata Sengupta','For instance, there was this one Muslim student in one of my classes and Muslim students are in a way not...'),(16347,34,326220,331800,'Tathagata Sengupta','You don\'t find enough Muslim students [inaudible] mathematics education, for various reasons.'),(16348,34,334030,348602,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so whenever you have a Muslim student in a mathematic MSc program, it would be kind of seen by the faculty, I mean by the department as a whole, as some kind of a funny thing.'),(16349,34,348602,358659,'Tathagata Sengupta','And they would sort of, when you sit in faculty meetings no one would say anything on the face, but like, you can make it.'),(16350,34,359000,366229,'Tathagata Sengupta','When they talk about this particular student, there\'ll be a smirk or someone will cough and that kind of stuff.'),(16351,34,366840,376149,'Tathagata Sengupta','This is just one example, but you see similar things happening with women students, you see similar things happen with non-binary students and so on.'),(16352,34,378709,383730,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then there are like endless stories of how particular kind of students...'),(16353,34,385100,390000,'Tathagata Sengupta','Another student I had was from Tamil Nadu.'),(16354,34,390000,400858,'Tathagata Sengupta','He was a first-generation learner and his parents were daily wage workers and the kind of harassment that that person had to go to through in the department, including things like Brahmin faculty members sort of telling him on his face that, \"You are in the wrong place,\" and, \"Maybe you should go and work with your parents,\" and those kinds of things.'),(16355,34,400858,417937,'Tathagata Sengupta','What started bothering me from almost day one, I would say, in that space is, what kind of impact do these kinds of things have on those same students when they are actually sitting inside the classroom?'),(16356,34,417980,434710,'Tathagata Sengupta','Can we actually separate the classroom from the faculty offices, or the department itself, or the canteen, or the university campus in general, or what\'s happening in the university?'),(16357,34,435270,439540,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are the kinds of things that kind of kept bothering many of us, not just me.'),(16358,34,441890,442604,'Tathagata Sengupta','Meanwhile, you probably know one of the Dalit students in the University of Hyderabad, Rohith Vemula.'),(16359,34,442604,442692,'Tathagata Sengupta','He was basically pushed to kill himself, and this became a huge issue.'),(16360,34,442692,473279,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that was a kind of watershed and there was quite an intense movement around it when this happened.'),(16361,34,476160,486899,'Tathagata Sengupta','But one of the things that this movement ended up being was, for many of us, it was kind of a watershed moment of actually taking on some of these questions head-on.'),(16362,34,487509,492049,'Tathagata Sengupta','It kind of felt like you can\'t really brush off these things.'),(16363,34,492079,496089,'Tathagata Sengupta','You can\'t sit and assume that things will get better over time and so on and so forth.'),(16364,34,496939,500026,'Tathagata Sengupta','[inaudible] some tweaks here and there that we do and we keep doing those things and things will go right.'),(16365,34,500026,505800,'Tathagata Sengupta','The whole situation then was such that it didn\'t really allow you to, sort of, [inaudible] along those lines.'),(16366,34,505800,514720,'Tathagata Sengupta','It felt extremely urgent to take on some of these longstanding issues in a guided head-on sense.'),(16367,34,514730,530140,'Tathagata Sengupta','So all of this, I think, kind of threw me off my track in a way, like doing this formal mathematics research and so on, because it\'s just difficult to do it.'),(16368,34,530140,548590,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s just difficult to sit and do mathematics research when you know that most people are actually structurally precluded from doing the same kind of research, and maybe even much better research than many of us.'),(16369,34,548610,557362,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that is, kind of, what drove me to working on trying to think formally on the question of education, particularly mathematics education.'),(16370,34,557460,559570,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that\'s, kind of, a brief background.'),(16371,34,559570,568370,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s when I, kind of, decided to formally shift disciplines of sorts and I moved into mathematics education and that\'s when I shifted to HBCSE.'),(16372,34,568560,570080,'Tathagata Sengupta','This was around 2018.'),(16373,34,571380,581495,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so from then on I\'ve been trying to sort of work on these questions of mathematics education.'),(16374,34,581495,585789,'Tathagata Sengupta','I do want to get back to mathematics research at some point [inaudible] , in mathematics.'),(16375,34,585789,597495,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, hopefully that can happen in some time, in a less sort of violently contradicted sense with the questions of mathematics education, because that\'s kind of fun.'),(16376,34,597510,597870,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(16377,34,598160,599010,'Vishesh Kumar','That\'s fascinating.'),(16378,34,604570,623580,'Vishesh Kumar','You\'re free to steer this in a bunch of different directions, but the direction that we had thought through was, do you want to build on this thinking with talking through a relatively specific project or set of projects that you\'ve been doing, especially in the context of education over the last few years.'),(16379,34,624830,630789,'Vishesh Kumar','And, feel free to describe it as a theoretical, as an academic construct, or just the process.'),(16380,34,630810,641819,'Vishesh Kumar','Like, what are the goals that you\'re focusing on, there in terms of context, with respect to the people, the place that you\'re doing some education project.'),(16381,34,644800,645150,'Tathagata Sengupta','Okay.'),(16382,34,648400,648520,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(16383,34,648520,649150,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I can...'),(16384,34,649180,656500,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, maybe like one of the things I can try to do is, I can try to sort of talk a little bit about one of the projects that I was involved in, which did not work.'),(16385,34,657390,660960,'Tathagata Sengupta','And sort of talk a little bit about why it did not work.'),(16386,34,661240,667500,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then maybe from there, we can go on to what we are trying to do now, kind of.'),(16387,34,667500,669194,'Tathagata Sengupta','In way, we hope to be informed by the [inaudible]'),(16388,34,669194,669239,'Vishesh Kumar','Absolutely.'),(16389,34,669239,669284,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(16390,34,669284,669419,'Vishesh Kumar','That sounds interesting.'),(16391,34,669419,669823,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, this particular project, I mentioned is, kind of...'),(16392,34,669823,670361,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I mean like, when I started, what [inaudible] , like I said.'),(16393,34,670361,699386,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, having concerns, well, exactly kind of opening them up, [inaudible] . So, questions of, sort of, social relations, economic relations, gender relations, colonial relations, and so on.'),(16394,34,699540,702049,'Tathagata Sengupta','And how these kinds of relations...'),(16395,34,703039,707450,'Tathagata Sengupta','What kind of impact do they have on education.'),(16396,34,707540,707670,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16397,34,707700,709003,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that was kind of...'),(16398,34,709430,712399,'Tathagata Sengupta','That was where I, anyway, sort of started from.'),(16399,34,712400,714710,'Tathagata Sengupta','And what that meant in particular...'),(16400,34,714710,733403,'Tathagata Sengupta','And like I said, one of the things that I saw in one of my main difficult points that I started from was kind of questioning this idea of classroom education.'),(16401,34,733403,733404,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16402,34,733404,733407,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because I know [inaudible] classroom education became kind of...'),(16403,34,733407,733412,'Tathagata Sengupta','Then kind of the way we...'),(16404,34,733412,749869,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this is like, I mean, it was always not just the individual, I must say, all of these have been, kind of, like I work with many other people, and did include many of our students and colleagues and [inaudible] , and so on.'),(16405,34,749869,750339,'Tathagata Sengupta','But all of us, kind of, collectively, in a way, had a common vantage point.'),(16406,34,750339,770250,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, our common thought process that, if we are trying to look beyond classroom education, then, how do we go about it?'),(16407,34,770250,770255,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16408,34,770255,777444,'Tathagata Sengupta','What is one of the ways in which people, sort of, approach this?'),(16409,34,777444,792719,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so, one of the things that we kind of thought of understanding is that, how do people who don\'t subscribe to this kind of, what many have described as sedentary kind of life.'),(16410,34,792719,792854,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16411,34,792854,793664,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like a settled society.'),(16412,34,793664,793799,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16413,34,793799,813109,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, let\'s say, we can think of like the [inaudible] of the settled rural society, or the settled urban society, and the school system and classrooms, and where kids are supposed to sit in one room, inside one room, for like five or six hours of their day, and go through lessons.'),(16414,34,814260,815410,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this is a particular idea of education.'),(16415,34,815550,815580,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16416,34,815580,817974,'Tathagata Sengupta','And there is no real reason why everyone on this planet should think of education along those same lines.'),(16417,34,817974,817993,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16418,34,817993,823770,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we kind of started, began with trying to understand, like, what could be some of the other ways in which people have approached the question of learning and so on.'),(16419,34,825069,828319,'Tathagata Sengupta','And one of the...'),(16420,34,830749,834657,'Tathagata Sengupta','Naturally, we were trying to understand people who generally, let\'s say, don\'t subscribe to that kind of sedentary ways of life.'),(16421,34,834657,834811,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16422,34,834811,847700,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, which particularly meant that trying to talk to and discuss these things with, let\'s say, people from nomadic communities, or people from generally sort of forest dwelling communities, let\'s say, Adivasi communities.'),(16423,34,848500,849760,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s where we started from.'),(16424,34,851480,863572,'Tathagata Sengupta','I\'m saying this because, typically, when we hear most people, including many so-called critical educators, when they talk about working with Adivasi students, or let\'s say, nomadic students, they go with some kind of developmentalist kind of attitude.'),(16425,34,863572,863737,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16426,34,863737,865419,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that\'s not what we are trying to do.'),(16427,34,866959,870025,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s not what we were trying to do.'),(16428,34,870090,874979,'Tathagata Sengupta','So our goal was not to teach these people necessarily, no, but the way we teach calculus and so on.'),(16429,34,874979,888680,'Tathagata Sengupta','But to really understand, on the other hand, what should be our way of teaching something like calculus, which in a way is not in violent disagreement, with their world views.'),(16430,34,888720,888750,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16431,34,888910,898364,'Tathagata Sengupta','Or their way of looking at practices of education or knowledge, generally, or relations between the teacher and the student, and those kind of things.'),(16432,34,898459,902180,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that\'s where we kind of began from.'),(16433,34,903410,907799,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, the main place where we were kind of trying to try out these kinds of meetings and workshops, et cetera, was in Purulia in this district of West Bengal.'),(16434,34,907799,919479,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these were sort of meetings with [Sabar] community people.'),(16435,34,919479,934510,'Tathagata Sengupta','So there is this community of people called Sabars who are traditionally forest dwelling communities, and they have this kind of violent history and impact in many ways, of fully violent present, of like being declared as criminal tribes.'),(16436,34,934510,934660,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16437,34,934930,936567,'Tathagata Sengupta','So these are, like, from the Brahmanical colonial days.'),(16438,34,936567,944569,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, they have been kind of listed as these born-criminals for that.'),(16439,34,944659,944689,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16440,34,945169,953343,'Tathagata Sengupta','So a large part of their political struggle has, of course, been against colonial practices, but particularly has been on the question of the legalism of, what does it mean?'),(16441,34,953343,953440,'Tathagata Sengupta','What does crime even mean?'),(16442,34,953459,953489,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16443,34,964270,980240,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then, what happened was when we went to sit and sort of in the conduct meetings with the people, with the elders, let\'s say, and also with the students, and particularly the women students, is we found that we didn\'t have...'),(16444,34,981200,986810,'Tathagata Sengupta','So West Bengal, one of the things I should mention, perhaps, is that West Bengal is heavily NGOs.'),(16445,34,987710,987890,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16446,34,987890,999490,'Tathagata Sengupta','So wherever you go in these kinds of places, you\'ll always have like some kind of NGOs who have made it into these spaces, who have taken up this development, this agenda of educating people and all that.'),(16447,34,999490,1000270,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, all the usual stuff.'),(16448,34,1000270,1007790,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, what\'s remarkable is how all of these NGOs...'),(16449,34,1007790,1013460,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, almost none of these NGOs are actually led by the people with who they claim to be working.'),(16450,34,1013460,1013700,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16451,34,1013700,1031660,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, for instance, in this particular place that I\'m mentioning, the NGO that works there is led by Bengal [inaudible] , who have this kind of inner sense, what we could call it, evangelist kind of [inaudible] . And in a sense, I mean, it won\'t...'),(16452,34,1031680,1033950,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, when you talk to these people, it won\'t like come up.'),(16453,34,1033980,1042370,'Tathagata Sengupta','They won\'t typically come across as evangelist in the first glance, unless you are someone who knows [inaudible] looks really well.'),(16454,34,1042619,1042829,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16455,34,1042829,1055344,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean like, either as an insider to that kind of culture, or as sort of an outsider subject of that kind of culture, who face the brutalities of these kinds of cultural hegemonies.'),(16456,34,1055344,1055387,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16457,34,1055429,1060700,'Tathagata Sengupta','But anyway, this NGO, for instance, they have this progressive facade.'),(16458,34,1061000,1061130,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16459,34,1061360,1068520,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, in a sense, like in a typical Bengali [inaudible] sense, they have the most progressive facade you can possibly imagine.'),(16460,34,1068890,1082120,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for instance, their main USP is that someone like Mahasweta Devi was part of the inception of that NGO, for all practical purposes also.'),(16461,34,1082120,1092988,'Tathagata Sengupta','And Mahasweta Devi, you may have read her works, is one of these really well known Bengali upper caste authors who has actually done significant work in trying to tell the stories of such people who have historically faced this kind of violence, particularly in Bengal.'),(16462,34,1092988,1110820,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that\'s about as progressive views can and possibly get.'),(16463,34,1111549,1114034,'Tathagata Sengupta','And by \"progressive\", I always have the speech in quotes.'),(16464,34,1114359,1116014,'Tathagata Sengupta','But that\'s basically as progressive as you can possibly imagine, while confining yourself within, sort of, the paradigms of [inaudible] . Right?'),(16465,34,1116014,1131309,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in a way, so to speak, this is one of the better NGOs we could be proud of.'),(16466,34,1131370,1141740,'Tathagata Sengupta','But even there, I mean, so what we found is like, after that point, it just became very difficult to sort of continue this kind of work because you have, basically...'),(16467,34,1141770,1151494,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, the engagement start getting intensely mediated, through these kinds of bureaucracies, and these kinds of things, your hierarchies and stuff.'),(16468,34,1151719,1153554,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these don\'t often take...'),(16469,34,1153554,1155951,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, what we typically mean by good NGOs, for instance, is that these are basically NGOs, these are basically groups or organizations that won\'t make this very exclusive.'),(16470,34,1155951,1155983,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16471,34,1155983,1168769,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, on the face of it, they will quote Babasaheb Ambedkar, they will quote all right.'),(16472,34,1168769,1169189,'Tathagata Sengupta','They will quote all the correct kinds of people.'),(16473,34,1169189,1169494,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16474,34,1169799,1170735,'Tathagata Sengupta','So they have this progressivism here, but then...'),(16475,34,1170735,1176691,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you have to sort of spend time with them on a mundane basis, to realize what\'s going on.'),(16476,34,1176691,1176702,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for instance, questions of the sanctity of the classroom, for instance, how should people sit in a classroom, that kind of stuff.'),(16477,34,1176702,1176703,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16478,34,1176703,1176802,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this will be done in the name of like, utilities.'),(16479,34,1176802,1176827,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, it’s kind of utilitarian that logic, Right?'),(16480,34,1176827,1176852,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this kind of disciplining is often...'),(16481,34,1176852,1176874,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, there\'s no morality behind this.'),(16482,34,1176874,1176944,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this is just sort of, isn\'t this just the commonsensical way of making the classroom business easy, that kind of stuff.'),(16483,34,1176944,1176947,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(16484,34,1176947,1195770,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then you see what\'s going on through this, you see sort of the world views of people getting erased, and all the views of the entire people getting erased through this kind of thing.'),(16485,34,1196310,1219639,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s kind of where we got stuck, in a sense.'),(16486,34,1219639,1226129,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we didn\'t want to continue this work further in a sense, because we thought that...'),(16487,34,1226169,1230169,'Tathagata Sengupta','And now if you look at it from the Sabar students.'),(16488,34,1230169,1230200,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16489,34,1230270,1231900,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, people like us...'),(16490,34,1231910,1236589,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so we are not the only people who are going to sort of meet these kind of agendas through that NGO.'),(16491,34,1236589,1236789,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16492,34,1236990,1241007,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean like, every other day they have people coming from Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta, et cetera.'),(16493,34,1241007,1241140,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, everyone who has a project will go and sort of try to test it out on these people.'),(16494,34,1241140,1241147,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16495,34,1241147,1244390,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, they are kind of used to this kind of phenomenon that people from outside, urban people, people from the metropolis are coming with their wisdom and sort of salvage us.'),(16496,34,1244390,1248820,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we didn\'t want to sort of get into that kind of...'),(16497,34,1249580,1251265,'Tathagata Sengupta','We didn\'t want to be seen by these people in the same sense, because we don\'t subscribe to those ideas.'),(16498,34,1251265,1252050,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then we also realized that as long as we keep going through the same NGO architecture, we can\'t help it.'),(16499,34,1252050,1253324,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that\'s exactly how they will perceive us no matter what we say or what we are doing.'),(16500,34,1253324,1278199,'Tathagata Sengupta','So at some level we kind of felt that this is not going anywhere.'),(16501,34,1278199,1280080,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I mean, this is not really the way to do things.'),(16502,34,1280740,1280780,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16503,34,1280820,1288889,'Tathagata Sengupta','So this is kind of the failure wala, I should mention.'),(16504,34,1290020,1295199,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then once we stopped doing that, then kind of, it became again another second round of crisis for us.'),(16505,34,1295199,1295208,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16506,34,1295208,1295218,'Tathagata Sengupta','Okay.'),(16507,34,1295218,1295302,'Tathagata Sengupta','So then how do we really go about it?'),(16508,34,1295302,1300909,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because this is not a singular case.'),(16509,34,1300939,1301060,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16510,34,1301060,1301580,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this is kind...'),(16511,34,1301580,1304260,'Tathagata Sengupta','We all know that this is kind of the situation almost everywhere.'),(16512,34,1304820,1304850,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16513,34,1304879,1309919,'Tathagata Sengupta','So what then could be a possible way to go around this things?'),(16514,34,1309919,1313370,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that kind of marked our phase change for us in this kind of work.'),(16515,34,1313800,1320560,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so we halted all these projects that we were doing and sort of went back into some kind of soul searching, almost, of sorts.'),(16516,34,1321350,1325340,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that has kind of characterized this last couple of years of work for me in a way, I mean.'),(16517,34,1325340,1327577,'Tathagata Sengupta','So last couple of years, I haven\'t been actually conducting that way.'),(16518,34,1327577,1333379,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, when I say projects, I don\'t mean of workshops and so on in that, like organized sense.'),(16519,34,1333600,1337221,'Tathagata Sengupta','But mainly what we\'ve been doing is trying to sort of conduct various kinds of...'),(16520,34,1337221,1347130,'Tathagata Sengupta','In a way, amorphous kind of consultations, but with various different kinds of people, dealing with various different kinds of social realities.'),(16521,34,1348160,1349324,'Tathagata Sengupta','One of these, in a way, which is what I wanted to...'),(16522,34,1349324,1349809,'Tathagata Sengupta','One of the examples I could take into account, like how did we try to sort of...'),(16523,34,1349859,1354746,'Tathagata Sengupta','What did this mean for us?'),(16524,34,1354900,1360270,'Tathagata Sengupta','What kind of new directions could this have opened for us, in a sense.'),(16525,34,1361680,1370929,'Tathagata Sengupta','So to take one example of that, so for instance, while this was going on, some of us were also part of other works.'),(16526,34,1371000,1371199,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16527,34,1371199,1381790,'Tathagata Sengupta','So we were working on one of the things that we are still actually continuing to work on is on the question of money lending, on the question of microfinance and debt traps that working people are getting underwritten.'),(16528,34,1381790,1390380,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this actually got extremely exacerbated during the COVID period, to mainly these online money lending apps and those kinds of things.'),(16529,34,1392230,1394960,'Tathagata Sengupta','And as people are getting thrown out of their jobs, and as they\'re...'),(16530,34,1395400,1398649,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what we would call social security measures.'),(16531,34,1398649,1398706,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16532,34,1398706,1417820,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, health, education, et cetera, as these things are getting more and more privatized and becoming more and more expensive, et cetera, people are getting into these kind of almost non-negotiable debt traps.'),(16533,34,1417820,1419010,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, the kind of debt traps that...'),(16534,34,1419010,1423111,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, no one really expects, I think, anymore that in their generations they can get out of it.'),(16535,34,1423111,1423272,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that\'s the direness of the situation.'),(16536,34,1423272,1426250,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we were conducting surveys and interviews with these people and trying to understand what\'s happening and so on.'),(16537,34,1426250,1427690,'Tathagata Sengupta','And through that, we kind of...'),(16538,34,1435219,1440530,'Tathagata Sengupta','So mathematics in a way, the concerns around mathematics also started emerging from that, for obvious reasons.'),(16539,34,1441500,1441530,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16540,34,1441639,1451920,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, this kind of quantitative mathematics and what is the kind of quantitative paradigm of these kind of mathematical rationalities that undergird our entire economic rationalities in a sense.'),(16541,34,1451950,1453810,'Tathagata Sengupta','What does that do to people\'s lives, and so on?'),(16542,34,1454240,1457460,'Tathagata Sengupta','And what role does mathematics play in this?'),(16543,34,1457460,1457490,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16544,34,1457490,1460659,'Tathagata Sengupta','So this kind of, anyway, emerged organically as a simple question for us.'),(16545,34,1461179,1471220,'Tathagata Sengupta','Do you know how mathematics, it quite literally seems to have become the modern god, of sorts.'),(16546,34,1472450,1472490,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16547,34,1472490,1472988,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, it kind of...'),(16548,34,1472988,1474299,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, moralities are in a way dominated by mathematical rationalities.'),(16549,34,1474579,1474739,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16550,34,1474739,1477269,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for instance, the question of compound interest rates.'),(16551,34,1477649,1477679,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16552,34,1477910,1488230,'Tathagata Sengupta','So if you\'ve taken a loan, like, some guy has computed the interest levels for you, and written it down in some policy document and so on.'),(16553,34,1488230,1495060,'Tathagata Sengupta','It has almost become like a divine covenant of sorts.'),(16554,34,1495110,1495209,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16555,34,1495209,1495352,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean that, of course, you have to pay this tax.'),(16556,34,1495352,1495364,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16557,34,1495364,1495416,'Tathagata Sengupta','Otherwise you are guilty.'),(16558,34,1495416,1495429,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16559,34,1495429,1495494,'Tathagata Sengupta','Otherwise, you are a sinner.'),(16560,34,1495494,1495942,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that\'s actually how most of our founders who are in these kinds of debt traps think about themselves.'),(16561,34,1495942,1504290,'Tathagata Sengupta','And most of these, we should remember, when we are talking about money, like microfinance and cell health groups, et cetera.'),(16562,34,1505630,1517160,'Tathagata Sengupta','Most of these debtors that we are talking about are not just any working class people, but mostly women, mostly working women.'),(16563,34,1517310,1533500,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so the way these women end up on this road of like self guilt, or self doubt, and these kinds of things, they literally start thinking of themselves as immoral people, Right?'),(16564,34,1533500,1534600,'Tathagata Sengupta','As sinners, and so on.'),(16565,34,1534600,1537810,'Tathagata Sengupta','That, \"I have taken a loan from this bank and I\'ve not been able to pay it back.\"'),(16566,34,1538439,1541230,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then we kind of started asking ourselves, \"Hold on a second.\"'),(16567,34,1541230,1541231,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16568,34,1541231,1541236,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, where is this morality really coming from?'),(16569,34,1541236,1541237,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16570,34,1541237,1541446,'Tathagata Sengupta','Our religious scriptures don\'t really talk about it, so where is this moral power coming from?'),(16571,34,1541446,1541539,'Tathagata Sengupta','Why do the people...'),(16572,34,1541539,1541796,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, people literally use this word that, \"I\'m a sinner.\"'),(16573,34,1541820,1541850,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16574,34,1552510,1553899,'Tathagata Sengupta','And when they use words like that, like saying guilt, et cetera, you are bound to think in religious systems, because we are religious.'),(16575,34,1553899,1554306,'Tathagata Sengupta','So then we were like, \"Where is religion coming in all this?\"'),(16576,34,1554306,1554816,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then it turns out that, okay, this is kind of a mathematical [inaudible] . Right?'),(16577,34,1554816,1555353,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that kind of threw up the question of mathematics from a very different kind of vantage point.'),(16578,34,1555353,1555353,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16579,34,1555353,1555360,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that point that has occupied our work since then.'),(16580,34,1555360,1556872,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of the upshots of this, for instance, is that now when I think about mathematics, like school curriculum.'),(16581,34,1556872,1556972,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16582,34,1556972,1566849,'Tathagata Sengupta','I began to notice how we are told these kinds of mythical stories of how mathematics is the queen of natural sciences, and that you will not understand natural sciences unless you know mathematics.'),(16583,34,1568179,1582869,'Tathagata Sengupta','So all these kinds of things.'),(16584,34,1582869,1583182,'Tathagata Sengupta','We keep hearing everywhere.'),(16585,34,1583279,1583409,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16586,34,1598189,1599029,'Tathagata Sengupta','Including critical educators.'),(16587,34,1600260,1608580,'Tathagata Sengupta','But if you take up the NCERT textbook on mathematics, it has got absolutely nothing to do with natural sciences.'),(16588,34,1608580,1610000,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you don\'t find anything.'),(16589,34,1610000,1610377,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, there\'s no physics, there\'s no chemistry, there\'s no life sciences, nothing.'),(16590,34,1610377,1610402,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16591,34,1610402,1610578,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, all you really have is economics.'),(16592,34,1610578,1617020,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, look at the word problems, or look at the kind of...'),(16593,34,1618010,1619479,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s basically an economic mathematics.'),(16594,34,1619479,1619669,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16595,34,1619669,1621623,'Tathagata Sengupta','So the kind of mathematics that we are...'),(16596,34,1621623,1626784,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that\'s why we [inaudible] had some kind of advanced, theoretical mathematics education.'),(16597,34,1626900,1628270,'Tathagata Sengupta','All of us kind of go through this experience of...'),(16598,34,1628270,1642960,'Tathagata Sengupta','What we thought was mathematics during our school days doesn\'t seem to hold up anymore anywhere when you get into undergraduate mathematics education, or even much more so when you get started with a PhD program in mathematics.'),(16599,34,1642960,1643060,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16600,34,1643060,1649100,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you almost start kind of questioning that, \"Okay.'),(16601,34,1649100,1653930,'Tathagata Sengupta','If this was mathematics, then what you were taught, for those 12 years, wouldn\'t have been mathematics.\"'),(16602,34,1653950,1655050,'Tathagata Sengupta','These two can\'t be the same thing.'),(16603,34,1655050,1655360,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16604,34,1655670,1665850,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, we have that sense, but I think in this sense, I think we can try to begin to make sense of this, why we feel that kind of a jump.'),(16605,34,1665850,1667609,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because these literally aren\'t the same kind of mathematics.'),(16606,34,1667609,1667769,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, they are...'),(16607,34,1667809,1678350,'Tathagata Sengupta','Just because you use the same numbers or the similar looking symbols and similar looking alphabets, and variables and those kinds of things, it doesn\'t make two disciplines the same.'),(16608,34,1678350,1680279,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are basically two different disciplines.'),(16609,34,1680289,1680320,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16610,34,1680330,1683320,'Tathagata Sengupta','So the school curriculum is basically economic mathematics.'),(16611,34,1684310,1693279,'Tathagata Sengupta','So once we notice that, then our question about, what does it mean to teach and learn mathematics at the school level?'),(16612,34,1693279,1702620,'Tathagata Sengupta','Let\'s say, became a drastically different question, because then it becomes like inseparable from economic rationalities, and economic moralities, and those things.'),(16613,34,1702620,1702650,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16614,34,1702830,1713455,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that is something that we are currently working on, in consultation with people who are dealing with these kind of debt traps and other kind of economic catastrophic situations.'),(16615,34,1713455,1715669,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that was one direction.'),(16616,34,1715670,1722749,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then, meanwhile, COVID happened, and that kind of brought into question, the question of health in a central sense.'),(16617,34,1723159,1723229,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16618,34,1723279,1727610,'Tathagata Sengupta','So what does health and rationalities and moralities around health have to do with mathematics?'),(16619,34,1728380,1728510,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16620,34,1728510,1741919,'Tathagata Sengupta','So we\'ve seen the use of mathematical models repeated throughout these last couple of years years, in terms of trying to negotiate, trying to negotiate it with the realities of the pandemic.'),(16621,34,1741959,1750740,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, a kind of similar question we are trying to investigate, it\'s kind of analogous to the economic question that I mentioned.'),(16622,34,1750750,1768850,'Tathagata Sengupta','That, what role does mathematical morality have in shaping our moralities around health and all of those kinds of [inaudible] . If we, sort of, stop for a while and say that, \"Okay.'),(16623,34,1770410,1771930,'Tathagata Sengupta','What happens if, instead of centering...\"'),(16624,34,1772270,1777200,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, my agenda is still, how to teach and learn mathematics, that agenda hasn\'t changed.'),(16625,34,1777599,1796519,'Tathagata Sengupta','But what really, I think, has changed is this following question that, what happens if in the name of mathematics educations we don\'t center this formal abstract mathematics to begin with, but we actually center, let\'s say, the question of health, and wellbeing, and freedom, and autonomy, and these kinds of things.'),(16626,34,1796579,1802490,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, we center those questions, and then we look at the role of mathematics vis-a-vis all of these.'),(16627,34,1802790,1802830,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16628,34,1803380,1809820,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, how would that, sort of, change how we look at mathematics?'),(16629,34,1809890,1812110,'Tathagata Sengupta','Or what does it mean to learn mathematics?'),(16630,34,1812480,1821139,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, sorry for going on such a long [inaudible] , but that\'s briefly in a very summarized sense.'),(16631,34,1822880,1825720,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I don\'t know if that addresses some of [inaudible]'),(16632,34,1826070,1826490,'Vishesh Kumar','That\'s...'),(16633,34,1826679,1830793,'Vishesh Kumar','I don\'t think we need to worry too much about having contained answers.'),(16634,34,1831000,1836269,'Vishesh Kumar','I think it does definitely cover the crux and it goes beyond, and it was very interesting to hear.'),(16635,34,1838519,1852779,'Vishesh Kumar','This almost feels like a small slice of this work, our next question, but thinking of the logistics on also your radical journey you\'ve had, as you\'ve been doing this work, what has surprised or intrigued you?'),(16636,34,1854170,1856570,'Vishesh Kumar','And this can also be just logistical challenges.'),(16637,34,1856580,1862826,'Vishesh Kumar','Like, some of the things that you mentioned with respect to how they\'re suspicious when you have to work through NGOs.'),(16638,34,1862826,1864310,'Vishesh Kumar','But what are other aspects?'),(16639,34,1864840,1868639,'Vishesh Kumar','But also, just any other, challenges or surprises.'),(16640,34,1870579,1871929,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s a really interesting question.'),(16641,34,1872769,1872839,'Tathagata Sengupta','Okay.'),(16642,34,1872839,1872909,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, there are lots of things that really surprised me, that I wasn\'t really expecting, and all of them have been actually quite chilling surprises.'),(16643,34,1872909,1872917,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mentioned one.'),(16644,34,1872917,1872955,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, one of the main things, like I mentioned religion just a while back.'),(16645,34,1872955,1872957,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16646,34,1872957,1872971,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, one of the things...'),(16647,34,1872971,1877870,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, this kind of the religiosity around debt and all that.'),(16648,34,1877870,1878020,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16649,34,1878020,1878578,'Tathagata Sengupta','On the one hand I said, this kind of tour was on an investigation into the role of mathematics in all this.'),(16650,34,1878578,1905879,'Tathagata Sengupta','But parallely what it also did was kind of, for me personally, I\'m still trying to sort of convince my comrades to do the same.'),(16651,34,1906119,1917070,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, sort of take up some of this, but I still have to work on it [inaudible] . But for me personally, one of the other trajectories, sort of, was to study religion.'),(16652,34,1917190,1917320,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right?'),(16653,34,1917320,1918649,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, to read up the history of religion.'),(16654,34,1919479,1921965,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in a way, this..'),(16655,34,1921965,1923590,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in a way this...'),(16656,34,1923590,1927820,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of the things that really, when I started reading about religion...'),(16657,34,1927820,1930639,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this is something that I\'ve been doing for the last six months or so.'),(16658,34,1931169,1939520,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of the things that kind of amazed me was, we keep saying things like, we\'ve noticed this modern...'),(16659,34,1940049,1941635,'Tathagata Sengupta','So to speak, I don\'t want to use the word modern.'),(16660,34,1941635,1945929,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what we really mean by modernity is capitalism.'),(16661,34,1945930,1948376,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I\'m actually more comfortable with talking about capitalism.'),(16662,34,1948610,1955496,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because modernity almost is a chronological category and I don\'t think it really makes sense to think of timing that linear fashion.'),(16663,34,1955530,1958189,'Tathagata Sengupta','As if everyone in today\'s world is modern in the same sense.'),(16664,34,1958839,1962665,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I don\'t want to use the word modern, but let me use the word capitalism instead.'),(16665,34,1962665,1983450,'Tathagata Sengupta','So capitalism and therefore capitalist college systems and education systems have relentlessly tried to convince us that science and religions are opposite categories and they\'re locked into this mortal conflict [inaudible] . And a lot of our science education and mathematics education is rationalized using this.'),(16666,34,1983450,1993550,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, and this is a long history and this is a colonial history.'),(16667,34,1993550,1994430,'Tathagata Sengupta','And several people have...'),(16668,34,1994929,2001880,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, many of us have heard this repeatedly that, okay, I mean, this was not how people sort of thought about these things all the time.'),(16669,34,2001880,2006899,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like the separation between religion and science is a new thing and it was not always the case.'),(16670,34,2006899,2008100,'Tathagata Sengupta','And if you go way back...'),(16671,34,2008100,2018520,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, if you go into the pre-capitalist history of the world, you won\'t see people making that kind of quality distinction between what\'s religious and what\'s scientific.'),(16672,34,2019740,2026039,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now we heard this kind of things, but at least for me personally, I never stopped to think that, okay, what does this really mean?'),(16673,34,2026660,2035950,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what does it do to our notions of science or our notions of religion, if we are to not make a distinction?'),(16674,34,2036720,2042680,'Tathagata Sengupta','How did people in those times, how were they making sense of the world?'),(16675,34,2042720,2049219,'Tathagata Sengupta','So that was one of the questions I always had in mind when I sort of went back to look into the history of religion.'),(16676,34,2051629,2054659,'Tathagata Sengupta','But what I was still expecting is that...'),(16677,34,2059429,2061039,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, I don\'t know what I was expecting.'),(16678,34,2061040,2070510,'Tathagata Sengupta','But I mean, I guess one of the things that I was kind of, I guess it\'s fair to say I was expecting is that, okay, I mean, you don\'t have separate disciplines in a sense.'),(16679,34,2072380,2073580,'Tathagata Sengupta','So you have the same guy.'),(16680,34,2073690,2080949,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so let\'s say, let\'s talk of the men, I mean, same guy who is a religious guy.'),(16681,34,2080949,2083240,'Tathagata Sengupta','So we have heard about, let\'s say...'),(16682,34,2083240,2086109,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, it\'s good to take examples.'),(16683,34,2086350,2089770,'Tathagata Sengupta','So let\'s say Isaac Newton.'),(16684,34,2090110,2097769,'Tathagata Sengupta','We know that Isaac Newton, while he was doing his research on sort of mechanics, at the same time he was also an alchemist.'),(16685,34,2097790,2099029,'Tathagata Sengupta','He was also doing alchemical research.'),(16686,34,2099900,2104180,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in fact, most of his publications are in alchemy.'),(16687,34,2104180,2118840,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, if you just do a pure what counts, I think someone sort of estimated this, it seems if you take a what count of Newton\'s alchemical publications, the total what count goes beyond a million.'),(16688,34,2121450,2123410,'Tathagata Sengupta','So it\'s a huge bulk of work that he did.'),(16689,34,2123469,2127089,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so, I knew this, and this was not new information for me.'),(16690,34,2127090,2141504,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then every time I thought about this, like the way I kind of made peace with this practice, I guess that, okay, during half of the week, Newton was being sort of a physicist and then the rest of the half of the week was being an alchemist.'),(16691,34,2141859,2145622,'Tathagata Sengupta','As if these two things have nothing to do with each other.'),(16692,34,2145622,2150651,'Tathagata Sengupta','As if, within his head, these people would make these compartmentalization.'),(16693,34,2150651,2168186,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, this wouldn\'t probably expressed the separate disciplines, but surely when they do the scientific [inaudible] , they should try not to make something like alchemy with something like cosmology or something, that kind of stuff.'),(16694,34,2168186,2169563,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, all the astronomy and stuff.'),(16695,34,2169760,2184740,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then, so what surprised me is that, not only is this not true, not only is it the case that Newton\'s alchemical notions were central to his physical notions and vice versa.'),(16696,34,2185150,2188526,'Tathagata Sengupta','That is, notions around mechanics were central to his notions about alchemy, but also particularly on that said then...'),(16697,34,2188526,2197619,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so let\'s say we see this in Newton and then you sort of start asking, \"Okay, was Newton the only guy who was doing this?'),(16698,34,2197810,2198790,'Tathagata Sengupta','What about the others then?\"'),(16699,34,2199160,2203734,'Tathagata Sengupta','So then you sort of start revisiting everyone you thought you had known before.'),(16700,34,2204070,2215169,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then once I started doing that, one of the things that I found quite shocking in fact, and happily, I was shocked, I must say that, most of what we today mean by mathematics...'),(16701,34,2216380,2220720,'Tathagata Sengupta','Actually not just from not even religion so to speak, but in fact were cult practices.'),(16702,34,2223040,2231100,'Tathagata Sengupta','The kind of practices that today much for science people would describe as superstition and cult and unscientific.'),(16703,34,2231260,2231581,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, that\'s where platonic mathematics really emerges from.'),(16704,34,2231581,2231690,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like Pythagoreanism was basically a cult.'),(16705,34,2231690,2231772,'Tathagata Sengupta','And you need to be part...'),(16706,34,2231772,2232582,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s kind of understandable if you think about it in those terms.'),(16707,34,2232582,2250369,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you really need to be a part of a cult if you are to really believe that the world is made out of numbers.'),(16708,34,2250690,2253970,'Tathagata Sengupta','That who really thinks like that?'),(16709,34,2255020,2257600,'Tathagata Sengupta','Or if you take like Descartes\' skepticism.'),(16710,34,2257780,2263009,'Tathagata Sengupta','The level to which Descartes is said to have taken his skepticism too.'),(16711,34,2263400,2267120,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, if you read this guy\'s writings.'),(16712,34,2267300,2270049,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, the kind of doubts, what he means by doubt.'),(16713,34,2270330,2273620,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, is this chair really there or so on?'),(16714,34,2273620,2279480,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like that guy who is walking on the street is that a real human being or a ghost or an automaton?'),(16715,34,2280550,2282770,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are the kinds of questions that Descartes begins with.'),(16716,34,2283250,2291140,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is why he gets into this enormous moral and emotional crisis of not knowing who to trust anymore, not knowing what to believe anymore.'),(16717,34,2291180,2301550,'Tathagata Sengupta','Everything has to be sort of, like doubt becoming sort of the, in a sense, the main epistemological tool of what doing science even means.'),(16718,34,2302949,2307020,'Tathagata Sengupta','And Descartes almost gives the impression that he\'s the first person who invented the notion of doubt.'),(16719,34,2307060,2309930,'Tathagata Sengupta','And nothing could be further from the reality.'),(16720,34,2309930,2311300,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like people have always dealt with doubts.'),(16721,34,2311300,2329990,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, if you look at the entire Islamic canons, of Islamic science and theology, stretching over like a thousand years, let\'s say, people have been obsessing over questions between doubt and belief and so on.'),(16722,34,2329990,2332906,'Tathagata Sengupta','So Descartes was surely not the first guy to do this.'),(16723,34,2333010,2338020,'Tathagata Sengupta','But he was the first guy to sort of take it to that kind of incredible levels.'),(16724,34,2338029,2354489,'Tathagata Sengupta','And if any of our friends were doing this, I mean, any of the people we hang out with had locked them up in a room for a couple of months and going into this kind of emotional crisis, we would be very worried.'),(16725,34,2359050,2372969,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then it sure enough turns out that Descartes himself was quite active in sort of the cult practices around those things and [inaudible] . So we can go into much more details on these things.'),(16726,34,2374459,2377290,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are not the circumstantial evidence, this is literally what they\'re writing.'),(16727,34,2378160,2379160,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because occulting those...'),(16728,34,2380870,2389074,'Tathagata Sengupta','We need to remember that, what we today mean by occult is not what these people meant by occult when they were talking about occult.'),(16729,34,2389110,2391699,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that is something that was quite surprising.'),(16730,34,2391700,2396589,'Tathagata Sengupta','And right now, that\'s one of the things I\'m trying to work on, the occult origins of mathematics.'),(16731,34,2396589,2402990,'Tathagata Sengupta','I\'m trying to sort of piss off people who want to equate mathematics with natural science.'),(16732,34,2403220,2404969,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, for the longest period of human existence, mathematics had nothing to do with it.'),(16733,34,2410549,2411209,'Vishesh Kumar','Fascinating.'),(16734,34,2411209,2442210,'Vishesh Kumar','So do you think that in this result, reconstructing this connection, do you think it would help the people who are dealing with the discord that\'s happening in their experience, like when they\'re dealing with the violence of mathematical undergirding of systems and then making it like a religious sin upon themselves, would it help them parse it or what?'),(16735,34,2443299,2443699,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(16736,34,2444750,2445880,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I can\'t be sure.'),(16737,34,2445970,2452136,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are things we can speculate about.'),(16738,34,2452136,2455996,'Tathagata Sengupta','We\'ll only know when we discuss this with people and maybe try out certain things and see if it works.'),(16739,34,2455996,2456709,'Tathagata Sengupta','It cannot work...'),(16740,34,2456929,2475129,'Tathagata Sengupta','But I mean, one of the things that I do know, however, why I think it\'s important to do this work is that, so here is what typically happens and this kind of takes us back to Purulia in a way.'),(16741,34,2475389,2493075,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so the moral power relations that exist between sort of, let\'s say, the urban sort of metropolitan rationalist scientists or mathematicians, vis a vis let\'s say, those women students in Purulia.'),(16742,34,2493230,2495540,'Tathagata Sengupta','There is a moral hierarchy and it\'s a power relation.'),(16743,34,2495540,2502370,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the power relation basically is like, I mean, to put in very few terms, the power relation sign sounds something like this.'),(16744,34,2504020,2518119,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s kind of, like on the one hand, the knowledge system that we kind of describe as science or mathematics or any of these things are supposed to be rational, that\'s the first assumption, and whatever that term even means.'),(16745,34,2518519,2527250,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the opposite side of it is obviously that, okay, I mean, those other guys are not as rational then.'),(16746,34,2527850,2532220,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because obviously, they haven\'t read Descartes or Newton or any of these people that we have read.'),(16747,34,2532640,2534439,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, they can\'t be really rational.'),(16748,34,2534439,2539449,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, they need to be taught what being rational even means.'),(16749,34,2539640,2549030,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s what kind of creates this kind of, the other facade of this, which is certain kind of moral superiority.'),(16750,34,2549890,2556633,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that moral superiority can be sort of couched in like really progressive terms and really benevolent terms and developmentalist terms.'),(16751,34,2557030,2564759,'Tathagata Sengupta','Often they are even described in sort of liberatory principles, that rationality has liberation and those kinds of things.'),(16752,34,2565270,2567260,'Tathagata Sengupta','That we\'re going there to sort of liberate these guys and stuff.'),(16753,34,2567300,2576680,'Tathagata Sengupta','But like Sartre said, \"You don\'t have good colonizers or bad colonizers, you have colonizers and that\'s it\".'),(16754,34,2576680,2580800,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so that\'s the relation.'),(16755,34,2581060,2582850,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s what colonial relations are.'),(16756,34,2582850,2587079,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s not really about good science or bad science there, it\'s not a question of good mathematics versus bad mathematics.'),(16757,34,2587079,2593240,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s not a question of good colonizer versus bad colonizer, it\'s about colonizer and that\'s it.'),(16758,34,2593240,2602160,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s kind of the power relation that we also experience in Purulia.'),(16759,34,2602179,2602604,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is why I kind of pulled out of that.'),(16760,34,2602604,2602829,'Tathagata Sengupta','I didn\'t want to sort of participate in that.'),(16761,34,2602829,2607890,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the least I thought I should do is not to participate.'),(16762,34,2607890,2622875,'Tathagata Sengupta','But coming back to what we were discussing earlier, I mean, like [inaudible] is that, there have been people, of course, who have pointed this out and who have sort of disputed this and tried to correct it.'),(16763,34,2622875,2627484,'Tathagata Sengupta','But typically if you notice, the main...'),(16764,34,2627609,2644490,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I\'m talking right now about like the critical educators, people who are kind of seen as the progressive [inaudible] . I won\'t generalize, I mean, of course, there are people who\'ve not subscribed to this, which is where I\'m also coming from.'),(16765,34,2644490,2648516,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are the people I\'m [inaudible] that\'s why I\'m not the first guy who is saying all this.'),(16766,34,2649080,2655630,'Tathagata Sengupta','But, most of the people, the track they to choose is to sort of either to hold on...'),(16767,34,2655660,2662540,'Tathagata Sengupta','When you say that these people are irrational, that\'s where you are wrong, these people are also rational.'),(16768,34,2662589,2663482,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this is how they\'re rational.'),(16769,34,2663660,2682279,'Tathagata Sengupta','So they will go into studying those other people, let\'s say the Sabars in Purulia, and they will try to sort of, they\'ll use various kinds of methods to establish, to prove almost that, what the Calcutta rationalist calls as superstition or irrational is actually rational, if you look at it in a particular way.'),(16770,34,2682279,2684590,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that rationalizing exercise you do.'),(16771,34,2684650,2693730,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that\'s what bulk of the progressives are engaged with as far as I can tell.'),(16772,34,2694540,2698040,'Tathagata Sengupta','But the approach I\'m trying to take is actually, the exact opposite approach of this.'),(16773,34,2698410,2708120,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like my main concern right now is to actually poke holes into this premise that, the Calcutta rationalist is actually very irrational.'),(16774,34,2710050,2727070,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because that\'s, I think in my understanding, trying to go into sort of people\'s cultural processes or cultural practices or worldviews or metaphysics or however you might want to describe it, and trying to sort of rationalize those things in our terms of what rational even means.'),(16775,34,2727099,2736579,'Tathagata Sengupta','I think I find that as an arrogant attitude, because it kind of begins with this assumption that everything can be rationalized.'),(16776,34,2736859,2745450,'Tathagata Sengupta','And it also kind of assumes that we have already rationalized everything about our own lives and our own existence and now we are there to rationalize everyone else\'s experience.'),(16777,34,2746779,2750290,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that I feel is an extremely arrogant approach to take.'),(16778,34,2750490,2756312,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so, therefore I want to take the exactly opposite attitude.'),(16779,34,2756312,2759330,'Tathagata Sengupta','That, maybe we should rethink about, when we say that we are really rational.'),(16780,34,2759560,2761350,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so that\'s kind of where I\'m coming from.'),(16781,34,2761350,2767275,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I\'m trying to say that, trying to trace the occult origins of mathematics.'),(16782,34,2767275,2779370,'Tathagata Sengupta','One of the purposes I have in mind is to be able to then kind of basically raise this question that, okay, one of your main tools of today\'s modern capitalist rationalism seems to be born out of occult practices.'),(16783,34,2779630,2780939,'Tathagata Sengupta','So how do you explain that?'),(16784,34,2785710,2808730,'Tathagata Sengupta','So now, I don\'t know if this helps in that broader question of education itself, but the hope is that at least this should help in, I think, if you do it sincerely, if enough people do it, particularly let\'s say, Indian context, it should open up the space, I think.'),(16785,34,2808730,2817390,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, in a way it becomes, in my understanding, a kind of equalizing effect on these different sets of people.'),(16786,34,2817859,2822870,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, the simple fact that rationality is no one\'s private property.'),(16787,34,2823240,2826770,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, everyone is in certain ways rational and in certain ways extremely irrational.'),(16788,34,2829400,2836885,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that happens as much with the colonizers, in fact, I would say much more so with the colonizers than with the colonized.'),(16789,34,2837200,2840280,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in my understanding, one of the things this should...'),(16790,34,2840450,2845910,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, at least one of the goals I have in my mind is to sort of, in a way, flatten the world a bit.'),(16791,34,2846890,2861740,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then I think the question of knowledge and the clash of knowledge and the conflict of knowledge and the role of education in that world of conflicting knowledge systems, I think that, that debate can be had in its own terms.'),(16792,34,2861980,2865890,'Tathagata Sengupta','That debate, or that discussion can happen in the terms that it deserves.'),(16793,34,2865920,2870840,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because right now, the kind of terms that we use to sort of have those discussions, I think don\'t work.'),(16794,34,2870970,2873120,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so, that\'s kind of [inaudible]'),(16795,34,2877320,2878050,'Vishesh Kumar','Fascinating.'),(16796,34,2878790,2886120,'Vishesh Kumar','Finally, the next question that we had, I think we\'ve mostly covered the crux of it, which is, what you think are the most critical issues.'),(16797,34,2887700,2898239,'Vishesh Kumar','And especially when I framed it, when I read three to four of your pieces, it was interesting that I did not see the common true line that this is how you were thinking.'),(16798,34,2899080,2907090,'Vishesh Kumar','I saw that as you were thinking about science education, as you are thinking about mythology or these things and sense making.'),(16799,34,2907090,2919960,'Vishesh Kumar','But it is interesting that you\'re trying to think at a more general level of, I don\'t know if it\'s right, is it trying to argue against what it is normalized through these colonial histories and structures and thinking'),(16800,34,2920680,2923410,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I think I do have a jigsaw puzzle in my mind.'),(16801,34,2923410,2927390,'Tathagata Sengupta','And some of those pieces you mentioned are kind of separate pieces of the puzzle.'),(16802,34,2927390,2927823,'Tathagata Sengupta','And like-'),(16803,34,2928040,2928430,'Vishesh Kumar','I see.'),(16804,34,2928440,2935089,'Tathagata Sengupta','right now, I can\'t say that I have a complete picture of the puzzle in my mind, but the hope is that there is a puzzle somewhere.'),(16805,34,2936099,2941152,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, we can get to it only if we try to sort of have some handle on the multiple pieces of that puzzle.'),(16806,34,2941152,2947150,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then we can sort of see if this, whatever I said just now, a lot of it is just pure speculation.'),(16807,34,2947770,2950949,'Tathagata Sengupta','But some of these pieces need to be worked out to be able to test out some of issues.'),(16808,34,2952430,2952990,'Vishesh Kumar','Interesting.'),(16809,34,2953890,2972460,'Vishesh Kumar','That feels like it fits into exactly the second half of that question, which is, which of these things do you feel are most actionable, which do you think can actually convert to recommendations for policy or something as a material change, if you\'re thinking those terms at all?'),(16810,34,2974250,2974660,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(16811,34,2974700,2975146,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so we are trying to find, so what are some of the things that...'),(16812,34,2975146,2975149,'Tathagata Sengupta','Some of the projects, example the women debtors.'),(16813,34,2975149,2975151,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s an ongoing work.'),(16814,34,2975151,2975155,'Tathagata Sengupta','So there are multiple aspects of that work.'),(16815,34,2975155,2975164,'Tathagata Sengupta','So like for instance, surveys and interviews, and...'),(16816,34,2975164,3006739,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I\'m part of quite a big group of really young people, many of them whom are from those areas who are working on this.'),(16817,34,3007160,3011680,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we have like, I mean, different people amongst us are working on different aspects of this.'),(16818,34,3012290,3017100,'Tathagata Sengupta','But that\'s one of the sort of concrete works that we have right now.'),(16819,34,3017100,3020069,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we do hope that some kind of actionable things might emerge out of that.'),(16820,34,3020480,3024463,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of the actionable things that we do have in mind is of course, curriculum and pedagogy works.'),(16821,34,3024463,3033409,'Tathagata Sengupta','But like Sarangapani writes, that pedagogy or curricular works are basically...'),(16822,34,3033559,3034959,'Tathagata Sengupta','They\'re emergent processes.'),(16823,34,3035409,3040000,'Tathagata Sengupta','Actually, I don\'t think in design terms, I think.'),(16824,34,3040199,3049680,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for me, the question of curriculum and pedagogy is not a design problem, but it\'s more a problem of cultural emergence.'),(16825,34,3049810,3069900,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s one of the things that we are trying to find out, whether we can set up, let\'s say, a space, where different kinds of people can get together and work on pedagogic concerns, work on generating pedagogic materials, that makes reasonable sense to, let\'s say, everyone involved.'),(16826,34,3069910,3078306,'Tathagata Sengupta','An everyone should include necessarily, in this case, for instance, to get a specific example, it should include necessarily some of the women debtor themselves.'),(16827,34,3078306,3095164,'Tathagata Sengupta','And actually, like more so, like some of the women debtors who are, in a way, politically agitated, who think that political action.'),(16828,34,3095379,3099520,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, when we say action, one of the main aspects of action that I have in mind is political action.'),(16829,34,3099560,3102407,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I think, yeah.'),(16830,34,3102407,3102598,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in that sense, yes, we are trying to work with people who are invested in some kind of political actions on some of these issues.'),(16831,34,3102598,3102744,'Tathagata Sengupta','And trying to see what kind of pedagogy and curricular directions can emerge out of doing such kind of engagements.'),(16832,34,3102744,3102781,'Tathagata Sengupta','But coming back to policies.'),(16833,34,3102781,3102970,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so policies in a way I\'m not...'),(16834,34,3102970,3103230,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(16835,34,3103230,3130420,'Tathagata Sengupta','So I\'m kind of...'),(16836,34,3130449,3137660,'Tathagata Sengupta','You might have guessed by now, I\'m kind of an outsider in a sense, to this learning sciences and so on.'),(16837,34,3137660,3139839,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, for instance, I don\'t think there can be a science of learning.'),(16838,34,3140620,3142129,'Tathagata Sengupta','I don\'t even understand learning sciences.'),(16839,34,3143270,3153450,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that\'s one of the kind of points I\'m trying to make in my research works also to sort of actually completely argue why we can\'t have anything called the learning sciences.'),(16840,34,3154590,3164719,'Tathagata Sengupta','But I mean, definitely not to say that we don\'t have scientific questions on the question of learning, but it\'s kind of saying...'),(16841,34,3165509,3177643,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s kind of like how, the science or engineering of making medicines can\'t be the overarching framework of the question of health.'),(16842,34,3177870,3180390,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because health is not equal to medicines.'),(16843,34,3180970,3183520,'Tathagata Sengupta','Health is a lot of other things, one of which is medicine.'),(16844,34,3184210,3188290,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in that sense, learning is a huge thing.'),(16845,34,3188700,3193482,'Tathagata Sengupta','And one of the issues there is the science around, like let\'s say, it’s a cognitive question.'),(16846,34,3193540,3199420,'Tathagata Sengupta','But I don\'t see how everything can be converted into a science, the way that way we understand that.'),(16847,34,3199969,3209399,'Tathagata Sengupta','So anyway, so I just wanted to mention that, I mean, so in a sense, I think in a lot of different ways I\'m not exact...'),(16848,34,3209860,3220461,'Tathagata Sengupta','I\'m kind of an outsider to this kind of institution of the discipline of education.'),(16849,34,3220461,3225294,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, in a similar sense, I\'m also an outsider to sort of governmental concerns.'),(16850,34,3225294,3227250,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in that sense, coming back to the question of policies.'),(16851,34,3227259,3229089,'Tathagata Sengupta','So policies are like the government\'s headaches.'),(16852,34,3229710,3233329,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the state and the market, it\'s their concern.'),(16853,34,3233329,3242019,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I basically think that, like this capital state market system is, to begin with, illegitimate.'),(16854,34,3242059,3247580,'Tathagata Sengupta','So their concerns to a large extent are also quite illegitimate.'),(16855,34,3248679,3251232,'Tathagata Sengupta','So yeah, I actually have this thing of like, I have an anti policy...'),(16856,34,3251232,3251391,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I have kind of an, I guess, anarchist communist policy.'),(16857,34,3251391,3251640,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I should kind of clarify who I am.'),(16858,34,3258180,3260000,'Tathagata Sengupta','So a lot of this is coming from an anarchist communist kind of...'),(16859,34,3260000,3260025,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(16860,34,3260025,3279379,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I think their policies and bureaucracies and rules and rulemaking, et cetera, to me, they actually are like apparatus of colonization and apparatus of exploitation of people\'s wealth and their freedom and all of that.'),(16861,34,3279390,3282890,'Tathagata Sengupta','So I\'m not saying that like...'),(16862,34,3282940,3290554,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, the rules are important and in a sense, if you notice, people have always evolved.'),(16863,34,3290554,3291419,'Tathagata Sengupta','Societies and cultures have of always evolved their own rules of functioning.'),(16864,34,3291450,3324479,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I mean, this is not point against rules per se, but when it comes to rule makings and policy makings that are sort of orchestrated or engineered by the concerns of the capitalist state market system, their idea of rules and policies are basically in my understanding kind of textual codifications of relations of violence.'),(16865,34,3324719,3332750,'Tathagata Sengupta','Relations of violence that are perpetrated at the end of the day by the use of guns.'),(16866,34,3333040,3339970,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because I mean, just imagine what would happen if for a week, the Indian state withdrew all its police forces.'),(16867,34,3340420,3349093,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, if there were no police or no armed forces, I don\'t think anyone, for instance, I don\'t think anyone would turn up to schools.'),(16868,34,3349093,3350660,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I don\'t think people would go to schools.'),(16869,34,3350669,3353504,'Tathagata Sengupta','So a lot of these things are kind of...'),(16870,34,3353504,3353956,'Tathagata Sengupta','There is the structures of discipline, basically.'),(16871,34,3353956,3355943,'Tathagata Sengupta','And historically, I mean, it requires historical analysis.'),(16872,34,3355943,3363345,'Tathagata Sengupta','And if you look into history, I mean, it\'s quite clear how this happens.'),(16873,34,3363345,3369077,'Tathagata Sengupta','So the first phase of violence, I mean, if you take the example of slavery, conditioned labor or chartered slavery, or the genesis of capitalism, so to speak.'),(16874,34,3369077,3387049,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like if you go back to fifteenth sixteenth century Europe, or if you look at sort of patriarchal gender relations and like the rise of the patriarchal state and so on.'),(16875,34,3387220,3389134,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this happens all the time, right.'),(16876,34,3389240,3395590,'Tathagata Sengupta','So first of all, you\'ll have a phase of brutal violence, horrific episodes of violence.'),(16877,34,3396320,3413309,'Tathagata Sengupta','But then of course, because you also want to conduct business in an economic sense, you want market systems to operate and so on and so forth, you realize that, conducting your day to day activities by using the barrel of gun is not actually a physical thing to do, because that\'s not how anything really works.'),(16878,34,3413329,3421399,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I mean, as a state, you can\'t actually afford to sort of continue that phase of horrific violence on people at large.'),(16879,34,3421810,3423820,'Tathagata Sengupta','So then you have to sort of...'),(16880,34,3423980,3432932,'Tathagata Sengupta','But by that time, through the use of this kind of sheer brute force, you have already established relations of exploitation, relations to violence and so on.'),(16881,34,3433190,3443620,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then after a while, you kind of graduate into a new phase where you say that, okay, okay, violence is bad and no one should be violent and so on and so on.'),(16882,34,3443630,3448257,'Tathagata Sengupta','Let\'s have rules, let\'s sit down and legislate laws and so that, this doesn’t happen again, et cetera, et cetera.'),(16883,34,3448320,3458740,'Tathagata Sengupta','The same guys who were in charge of that violence episode, they would typically be the ones or their shadow organizations would be the ones who would come and say that, \"oh, let\'s sort of sort this out.'),(16884,34,3458740,3460370,'Tathagata Sengupta','Let\'s have more civilized processes.\"'),(16885,34,3461270,3480160,'Tathagata Sengupta','But if you then dig into those rules, you\'ll see that those rules do nothing to sort of turn around the relations of violence that were already created through that first phase of actually on the [inaudible] . So in that sense, written rules and policy documents, in my understanding, historically speaking, have been basically textual codifications of relations of actual physical violence.'),(16886,34,3480160,3493490,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of the things for instance, this means for us that, so that\'s how we think of the question of policy and rules and bureaucracies.'),(16887,34,3493860,3497073,'Tathagata Sengupta','But what this also means for us that, it doesn\'t make sense to...'),(16888,34,3497073,3505670,'Tathagata Sengupta','We can\'t talk about education without also having to say significantly, something about the question of physical violence.'),(16889,34,3505700,3517919,'Tathagata Sengupta','And what kind of really amazes me in most of our institutional education literature is how, if you go through the bulk of that literature...'),(16890,34,3517919,3521590,'Tathagata Sengupta','Again, there are exceptions, not everyone is doing this, but the majority of them.'),(16891,34,3523860,3534170,'Tathagata Sengupta','You wouldn\'t get a sense that we are talking about a society which is in perpetual [inaudible] . That we are talking about a society which is basically run on the barrel of the gun.'),(16892,34,3535120,3538684,'Tathagata Sengupta','You don\'t see any mention of physical violence in any education literature.'),(16893,34,3538880,3541710,'Tathagata Sengupta','As if education or learning has nothing to do with it, which is absurd.'),(16894,34,3543110,3544620,'Tathagata Sengupta','So anyway, so that\'s kind of...'),(16895,34,3544860,3549090,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s where we are trying to...'),(16896,34,3549090,3549109,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(16897,34,3549110,3551710,'Vishesh Kumar','Those are, I feel like, provocative important points.'),(16898,34,3552190,3552570,'Vishesh Kumar','Thank you.'),(16899,34,3552570,3556420,'Vishesh Kumar','And especially when you also mention...'),(16900,34,3556610,3559180,'Vishesh Kumar','I feel like this also feeds directly into the next question.'),(16901,34,3559190,3564600,'Vishesh Kumar','The parts where you point out, that you feel like an outsider, that you want to question the bounds...'),(16902,34,3564800,3571400,'Vishesh Kumar','Or even at the attempts of setting bounds of this practice.'),(16903,34,3571400,3578490,'Vishesh Kumar','And that question was, what works, role models, thinkers, theories, or schools of thought would you highlight as key influencers for your work and thinking?'),(16904,34,3579780,3581910,'Tathagata Sengupta','So I already get like a part of it away.'),(16905,34,3581910,3586770,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, schools of thought [inaudible] . I mean, but like in terms of people, right.'),(16906,34,3586770,3587020,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean-'),(16907,34,3587459,3587799,'Vishesh Kumar','People, yes.'),(16908,34,3587819,3587850,'Vishesh Kumar','Sure.'),(16909,34,3587859,3590120,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, I mean, it\'s an endless list of people actually.'),(16910,34,3590600,3609409,'Tathagata Sengupta','So some of the people who I already quoted, people like Sartre and so on, but also Frantz Fanon, [inaudible] . And I mean, in a sense Frantz Fanon and not Paulo Freire, I must mention that.'),(16911,34,3609409,3609539,'Vishesh Kumar','Interesting.'),(16912,34,3609670,3609690,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(16913,34,3614520,3615935,'Tathagata Sengupta','We can get to that later.'),(16914,34,3615935,3632029,'Tathagata Sengupta','So Frantz Fanon is one and then David Graeber, I should mention, a lot of what I said about rules and bureaucracies and so on is basically based on the work of [inaudible] David Graeber who passed away last year from COVID.'),(16915,34,3632889,3635719,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I mean, in my understanding he\'s one of my favorite scholars.'),(16916,34,3638339,3644370,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then of course, like other usual suspects, like Babasaheb Ambedkar, Jyotiba Phule.'),(16917,34,3644480,3649919,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, I mean, so for instance, relation between sort of registering students, whatever I\'m saying that phase, I have Phule in mind.'),(16918,34,3653559,3654520,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because Phule\'s understanding of...'),(16919,34,3654520,3661080,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because, if you look at Phule\'s main sort of pedagogy [inaudible] , he\'s repeatedly talking about Guru-Shishya relations.'),(16920,34,3661319,3674250,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is to say that, I mean, like for Phule, the relations between the teacher and the student is of central importance, much more than pedagogic concerns or curricular concerns.'),(16921,34,3674250,3684063,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in fact way, what anti-caste reformers have been suggesting, or arguing is that, why won\'t you have good pedagogy and curricular?'),(16922,34,3684320,3686750,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s not very difficult, it\'s not rocket science to sort of come up with good curriculum and good pedagogy [inaudible] . And so there is no reason why you wouldn\'t have emergence of good literature, if you ensure that the social relations are conducive for that.'),(16923,34,3686750,3686861,'Tathagata Sengupta','If you ensure that the relations within the classroom, the relations between not just the teacher and the students, but between the students themselves.'),(16924,34,3686861,3688092,'Tathagata Sengupta','If you can think of a classroom, where for instance, a mathematics classroom, where people don\'t feel that it\'s normal to say that mathematics is not for women.'),(16925,34,3688092,3689566,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, now we can take this in terms of ethics.And we can say that, okay.'),(16926,34,3689566,3721240,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we can form a set of rules that, okay, these are ethically wrong things to me, these are ethically wrong things to say.'),(16927,34,3721240,3729030,'Tathagata Sengupta','And no one in this class will say this to any woman in the class [inaudible]'),(16928,34,3729030,3740617,'Tathagata Sengupta','.<v Tathagata Sengupta> So, in a sense, if I understand Phule correctly, in a sense, what some people actually are arguing is not a new set of rules or a new set of extra rules.'),(16929,34,3740617,3748300,'Tathagata Sengupta','Though they are talking about ethics, but what they really mean, I think is a new morality.'),(16930,34,3748300,3757069,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what they mean is a new common sense.'),(16931,34,3757069,3759224,'Tathagata Sengupta','Where is that new common sense [inaudible] . Because all of us operate by a certain kind of common sense.'),(16932,34,3759224,3759678,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we kind of...'),(16933,34,3759678,3761833,'Tathagata Sengupta','Since we are so embedded in that common sense, we think that this must be the universal common sense.'),(16934,34,3761833,3770120,'Tathagata Sengupta','And now, I should also point out that there are a lot of different actors who say this kind of thing in particular.'),(16935,34,3770120,3774060,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like use a very defined category.'),(16936,34,3775620,3784460,'Tathagata Sengupta','I could mention like postmodern scholars who say these kind of things [inaudible] . But that\'s also something that maybe we can go into later if that\'s relevant you think.'),(16937,34,3784460,3793540,'Tathagata Sengupta','That like when I\'m saying that, my common sense, I don\'t see why that has to be shared by anyone else as their common sense, I\'m actually not coming from a postmodern kind of thing.'),(16938,34,3793540,3793841,'Tathagata Sengupta','In fact, if anything, this is actually in various ways, radically opposite to...'),(16939,34,3793841,3793856,'Tathagata Sengupta','In radical rejection of postmodernist kind of ideas.'),(16940,34,3793856,3793866,'Tathagata Sengupta','But anyway, that\'s a separate view.'),(16941,34,3793866,3793959,'Tathagata Sengupta','But coming back to the people I\'m quoting, yeah, so the Jyotiba Phule, Savitribai Phule, Rokeya Sakhawat and her ideas about feminist science and then sort of people like [Kim Dolware] And anthologists like [Kim Dolware] and what they have been arguing about sort of science and education and so on.'),(16942,34,3793959,3796450,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then, basically, I mean, I could say, certain sections of decolonial scholars.'),(16943,34,3797380,3831110,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, not everyone.'),(16944,34,3833549,3856406,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean basically, the decolonial authors, I think we should take seriously, are the ones who make sure to find out that decolonization is not a metaphorical act.'),(16945,34,3857610,3865294,'Tathagata Sengupta','Decolonization is quite a literal activity, to say that one plus one equals two is a colonial act, is going to do nothing to change regulations for colonial.'),(16946,34,3865294,3869510,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s intracta move to metaphorize really serious issues of colonization.'),(16947,34,3871160,3872600,'Tathagata Sengupta','But there are, not everyone is doing that.'),(16948,34,3872600,3877605,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are some of the people have in mind [inaudible] . They make sure that they point this out, that it\'s not a metaphorical thing.'),(16949,34,3877605,3885410,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are also people which is why in just explaining [inaudible] I guess in a way, brings us back to [inaudible]'),(16950,34,3885740,3891169,'Tathagata Sengupta','.<v Tathagata Sengupta> So these are also the people, therefore who say that I mean, and this includes trans [inaudible] so that decolonization.'),(16951,34,3891169,3892217,'Tathagata Sengupta','If you\'re really serious about it, first of all, we should come to terms with the fact that decolonization is going to be messy.'),(16952,34,3892217,3899939,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, it\'s going to be violent for all we know, it\'s going to be quite bloody.'),(16953,34,3899940,3901000,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we may not like it.'),(16954,34,3901010,3903461,'Tathagata Sengupta','We may say, I mean, like decolonization etc might be the vogue thing to do to talk about today.'),(16955,34,3903461,3913180,'Tathagata Sengupta','But like when such things really had happened or whenever people have tried to actually do such things, most of these, most of the people who have argued for decolonization haven\'t really liked it.'),(16956,34,3913290,3916760,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, they kind of, they were the first people to sort of reject those things.'),(16957,34,3916760,3920899,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in a way, so one of the things that these people talk about for instance is colonial futurity, right.'),(16958,34,3920900,3933999,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so this understanding of like, when colonialists, when like current colonialists talk about progressive colonialists, such as the critical theorists, right I mean, who are part of the colonial establishment, but are critical of it.'),(16959,34,3943560,3945004,'Tathagata Sengupta','When they talk about decolonization and a lot of them do talk about decolonization.'),(16960,34,3945004,3945117,'Tathagata Sengupta','What, I mean, Freire is an example of this.'),(16961,34,3945130,3958270,'Tathagata Sengupta','When, they talk about a decolonized world, somehow their decolonized world they\'re in, they seem to be keeping a space for the erstwhile colonizers.'),(16962,34,3958290,3963760,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like there can be a change of hearts of the colonizers and then they can also exist.'),(16963,34,3963760,3966299,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean we want a society where everyone can exist, right.'),(16964,34,3966590,3972939,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, there is a certain kind of colonial anxiety, like we need to sort of theorize decolonization in such a way that does not preclude us from a decolonized future, right.'),(16965,34,3972939,3972944,'Tathagata Sengupta','We should be also protected to some extent, right.'),(16966,34,3972944,3973943,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for instance, you can see this happening in Freire\'s writings whenever he talks about sort of the role of the colonizer, the critical colonizer, right, I mean, the role of the term Freire uses, the role of the oppressor, the role of the enlightened oppressor, right.'),(16967,34,3973943,3974463,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, Freire has this notion of enlightened oppressor, right.'),(16968,34,3974463,3974787,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean that you are an oppressor, but you can reach a state of enlightenment where you are no longer the oppressor, right and then you are fine and so on.'),(16969,34,3974787,3976224,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is why it\'s not, I don\'t find it surprising that, so in a place like India, all these kinds of upper caste organizations and I include upper caste communist organizations.'),(16970,34,3976224,3978910,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mainly actually talking about upper caste communist organizations, who for a long time have been working on questions of education and so on.'),(16971,34,4035310,4046050,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these are the same people who have by various means prevented non-upper caste people from becoming political members, from becoming leaders of their parties.'),(16972,34,4046690,4049000,'Tathagata Sengupta','They\'ve prevented women from becoming leaders of their parties.'),(16973,34,4049080,4055580,'Tathagata Sengupta','But at the same time, if you look at their education, ideas of education etc, all of them come out, seem to begin from Paulo Freire.'),(16974,34,4058000,4058900,'Tathagata Sengupta','They are all Freirians.'),(16975,34,4058900,4063609,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean everyone like critical pedagogy like seventies, eighties, nineties, if you look at the history of critical pedagogy work in India.'),(16976,34,4063609,4075360,'Tathagata Sengupta','Everyone is a Paulo Freire right, I mean banking model, everyone knows the banking model and everyone has set up like these reading, adult education movements and study circles and these kinds of things based on Paulo Freire\'s ideas.'),(16977,34,4076400,4078129,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, it\'s quite amazing, right.'),(16978,34,4078130,4095810,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, it\'s quite amazing that why not Frantz Fanon, I mean why is Fanon so difficult to sort of like practice as opposed to Freire and I think the reason is if you read Freire carefully, it\'s basically because Freire gives the colonialists the kind of space that Fanon refuses to give.'),(16979,34,4095880,4104543,'Tathagata Sengupta','Fanon says that if you are serious about the violence of colonization across centuries, you should give up at least temporarily speaking as a colonizer, you should give up any hope of futurity.'),(16980,34,4104543,4112149,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, you should wake up to that fact of life that if seriously decolonization politics happens, no one will really care.'),(16981,34,4112540,4118630,'Tathagata Sengupta','When a mob comes and sets fire to your urban metropolitan city centers, they will not care who a good colonial is and who is a bad colonial is.'),(16982,34,4119069,4119789,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, they\'ll not do that.'),(16983,34,4119949,4123120,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we can\'t expect that to happen.'),(16984,34,4123390,4125598,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s actually outright dishonest academic practice to sort of ignore that and begin from that kind of a hidden assumption that there are good colonialists and bad colonialists.'),(16985,34,4125598,4131800,'Tathagata Sengupta','So anyway, these are some of the people I have in mind.'),(16986,34,4131800,4155945,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, there are many others, like I said [inaudible] , so there are people like Sylvia Federici, there are lots of historians that I\'m borrowing from, there are lots of anthologists I\'m borrowing from, there are lots of sociologists I\'m borrowing from.'),(16987,34,4155945,4155993,'Tathagata Sengupta','And there are mathematicians also that I\'m borrowing from.'),(16988,34,4155993,4156483,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, people like Sabina Hossenfelder, she\'s a theoretical physicist who has been raging this really difficult battle to sort of basically, she calls it \'gobbledygook\'.'),(16989,34,4156483,4157249,'Tathagata Sengupta','I guess what I\'m calling occult, Hossenfelder calls it \'gobbledygook\', when she talks about [inaudible] where she talks about how this intense mathematization has converted physics into gobbledygook, right.'),(16990,34,4157249,4157262,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is why we are kind of stuck.'),(16991,34,4157262,4157282,'Tathagata Sengupta','If you think about advanced cutting edge physics research, we are stuck beyond.'),(16992,34,4157282,4157294,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, post-Einstein, we are basically stuck.'),(16993,34,4157294,4157328,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is for like 50, 60 years and this has now evolved into a huge crisis within actually the professional physics community.'),(16994,34,4157328,4220309,'Tathagata Sengupta','And people like Hossenfelder are not coming from the kind of political positions that I\'m coming from, but their diagnosis when it comes to sort of what\'s happening with physics, I think matches quite strikingly with the diagnosis of a lot of these other people that are [inaudible] who are not necessarily talking about what\'s happening in the physics department so to speak, but when they talking about the what\'s happening on the streets.'),(16995,34,4220309,4229989,'Tathagata Sengupta','So what\'s happening on the streets is not different from what\'s happening within the physics department, within the large [inaudible] . So, it kind of spans across a large number of [inaudible]'),(16996,34,4229989,4254790,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah, there\'s even in, especially in the US learning sciences, so there is an interesting move of trying to figure out the relevance of Freire and even that it seems canonically within the science part of the learning science, the cognitive psych history or so on.'),(16997,34,4255460,4260609,'Vishesh Kumar','I think even Freire is considered somewhat and underutilized radical perspective.'),(16998,34,4260910,4262309,'Vishesh Kumar','So it is fascinating to hear.'),(16999,34,4263290,4263460,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17000,34,4263910,4264899,'Vishesh Kumar','You\'re framing and'),(17001,34,4265090,4274095,'Tathagata Sengupta','These days, by doing this work, the point we have reached now is now even Freire is kind of too much to sort of even Freire has become too radical.'),(17002,34,4274095,4274763,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, look where we have come to.'),(17003,34,4274763,4285289,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, we are talking, when compared to sixties where even like a typical sort of, let\'s say a socialist Congressi type, would also talk about Paulo Freire right.'),(17004,34,4288180,4304050,'Tathagata Sengupta','And from there, we have come today at a place where even Freire is kind of untouchable.'),(17005,34,4304050,4304086,'Vishesh Kumar','Interesting.'),(17006,34,4304086,4305330,'Vishesh Kumar','This, a bit moving our conversation side base.'),(17007,34,4305330,4318280,'Vishesh Kumar','But I think there is a continuation, the next question where you\'ve so far, especially the pieces I saw you were, you\'ve been utilizing this variety of nontraditional channels and forms of writing.'),(17008,34,4319070,4328250,'Vishesh Kumar','What has been the thinking behind these writing choices and what are your thoughts on the affordances of different media and forms?'),(17009,34,4328370,4330500,'Vishesh Kumar','What audiences do you think are more reachable?'),(17010,34,4333510,4333800,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17011,34,4333800,4333891,'Tathagata Sengupta','I think so.'),(17012,34,4333891,4333897,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17013,34,4333897,4333908,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s right.'),(17014,34,4333908,4333971,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so that was a kind of a conscious decision.'),(17015,34,4333971,4337827,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I do want to experiment around forms and styles and in a sense, it kind of comes from a larger general hypothesis in a way and I mean [inaudible] borrowing from a long tradition of people that, I mean forms are central forms and media are central to forms of expression and media of expression are quite central to sort of knowledge in general, right.'),(17016,34,4337827,4377114,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, knowledge, the fact that something like mathematics, I mean if you think about it, right there is something like mathematics that\'s any of these disciplines, so to speak, they don\'t like exist on their own.'),(17017,34,4377114,4377236,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(17018,34,4377236,4380270,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you don\'t have anything called mathematics really.'),(17019,34,4380280,4382210,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, I mean, all what you really have are mathematicians.'),(17020,34,4382220,4383460,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, and mathematics is basically what they do.'),(17021,34,4383460,4385349,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, so you basically have people doing stuff, right.'),(17022,34,4385349,4388749,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s basically what you have.'),(17023,34,4388789,4388899,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(17024,34,4388899,4391429,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, you don\'t have a standalone.'),(17025,34,4391429,4409989,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, if you\'re to take that seriously and quite literally, then the sheer fact that not everyone adopts the same kinds of, same forms of expression and not everyone adopts the same media, should have something to do with how people do mathematics.'),(17026,34,4410270,4411480,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, or what does it mean to do mathematics.'),(17027,34,4412740,4419789,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that is kind of one of the reasons why I want to experiment a bit with these different forms.'),(17028,34,4419879,4422220,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, question of media, yes, absolutely.'),(17029,34,4422220,4437720,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean today, when we talk about digital media, for instance, I mean, I think it, I always find it really like really an interesting exercise to sort of go back and sort of, kind of tally what people are saying today with what people were saying when let\'s say printing press came out.'),(17030,34,4438160,4454440,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so we know people today, so that was also a similarly radical technological media, technological sheet paradigm, which kind of had huge, unforeseen impacts on what people meant by science, what people meant by mathematics and all that, right.'),(17031,34,4455380,4474840,'Tathagata Sengupta','Something quite similar is happening obviously today with like digital media and [inaudible] . And the comparisons in a way, like the point of going back to history is to sort of also try to see, because otherwise a lot of these things that we are embedded in, in the present feel a lot of times, these things feel as if these things are happening for the first time.'),(17032,34,4475580,4477047,'Tathagata Sengupta','And as if the kinds of concerns and anxieties that we are all trying to grapple with as if we\'re the first people to sort of [inaudible] like that\'s obviously not true, right.'),(17033,34,4477047,4477056,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we get a sense of that when we actually go back into history and try to investigate what people discussing around those similar kinds of episodes.'),(17034,34,4477056,4477059,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, for instance, just to take an example of those, right.'),(17035,34,4477059,4477065,'Tathagata Sengupta','So we all today know how this WhatsApp culture is kind of destroying knowledge and data etc, right.'),(17036,34,4477065,4477068,'Tathagata Sengupta','Spreading misinformation and spreading violence.'),(17037,34,4477068,4477440,'Tathagata Sengupta','And amazingly, some of these people are at the same time, there are also people who think that printing press was a necessarily positive thing to have happened, right.'),(17038,34,4477440,4477494,'Tathagata Sengupta','Printing press, oh printing press led to like an explosion of really good knowledge.'),(17039,34,4477494,4478101,'Tathagata Sengupta','But, this internet WhatsApp is killing all that progress we made, right.'),(17040,34,4478101,4485620,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that\'s kind of the sense we get, right.'),(17041,34,4485620,4532920,'Tathagata Sengupta','But if you look at the first things, I would say one of the main impacts of printing press culture when it came up, is Witch-hunts, right.'),(17042,34,4534020,4545894,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean if you look at the history of Witch-hunts in Europe, spanning across three centuries, the role that printing press played in that is quite unbelievable, it\'s very, it\'s exactly similar to the kind of roles, the role that WhatsApp groups are playing today.'),(17043,34,4545894,4559000,'Tathagata Sengupta','In terms of agitating people about what, who are the witches and how to hunt them down, how to look at your neighbor, how to investigate that your neighbor is, I mean what does it mean to be a witch.'),(17044,34,4559000,4571290,'Tathagata Sengupta','And those kinds of blue books would be circulated and they would be printed and distributed feeling and lynch mobs would be sort of mobs would come up and all that, right.'),(17045,34,4571290,4578185,'Tathagata Sengupta','So it\'s like, but somehow we have erased the last part of that history at least from common popular discourse, right.'),(17046,34,4578185,4582300,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean we, don\'t, when we think of printing press, the last thing we think about easily, right.'),(17047,34,4583220,4587640,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s kind of, in that sense, I think the questions about media are extremely important.'),(17048,34,4587640,4606710,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I think I don\'t have one thing to say about it, but for specific cases type [inaudible] but yeah, in general, of course I think media and forms of expression are quite, I would say quite central to production.'),(17049,34,4609010,4609180,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(17050,34,4609180,4622530,'Vishesh Kumar','But they build on the general thoughts of yes, the medium as the message and also the people you\'d talk to, the people you\'d do things with, whatever is recognized.'),(17051,34,4624119,4630250,'Vishesh Kumar','And how I\'m seeing also participates in the, participating in the delineation of these things.'),(17052,34,4631420,4637970,'Vishesh Kumar','What counts as math versus what counts as numerology or something are connections that are coming in my head.'),(17053,34,4637970,4645620,'Vishesh Kumar','But I\'m also interested to see here if you\'ve, I think you mentioned that you\'ve not been doing this for too long.'),(17054,34,4645630,4652759,'Vishesh Kumar','But one also, do you want to share, what are some of the different things that you have experimented with and what have you found through them?'),(17055,34,4652770,4656520,'Vishesh Kumar','Like, what are the conversations they spark, what did you hear back?'),(17056,34,4657049,4664390,'Vishesh Kumar','What do you feel like were the affordances of writing a play dialogue sort of thing versus,'),(17057,34,4664570,4665250,'Tathagata Sengupta','Absolutely nothing.'),(17058,34,4665250,4666113,'Tathagata Sengupta','I had no feedback from anyone.'),(17059,34,4666220,4667760,'Tathagata Sengupta','I don\'t think many people read also.'),(17060,34,4667760,4668290,'Vishesh Kumar','I see.'),(17061,34,4668290,4670145,'Tathagata Sengupta','You are of the very few people.'),(17062,34,4670410,4677577,'Tathagata Sengupta','I also didn\'t send it around too much, because a lot of these things I want to, I don\'t know I\'m generally very self doubting.'),(17063,34,4677630,4680930,'Tathagata Sengupta','I am probably right now, not coming across as very self doubting, but I really am.'),(17064,34,4680930,4701030,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, which is actually why I have also avoided going for really formal publications and so on, because which is why I also requested you, if you could sort of postpone this meeting for a month because some of the things I told I was talking about, like on occult etc, those are some of the things I was studying then when you, so, I wanted to be careful with what I said.'),(17065,34,4701030,4709377,'Tathagata Sengupta','I wanted to sort of check out a little more few things, I didn\'t want to say things that wouldn\'t be correct, right.'),(17066,34,4709460,4716240,'Tathagata Sengupta','But the reason I kind of wrote those pieces that I wrote and kind of at least put them up in some places in public domain is to get feedback, right.'),(17067,34,4716510,4718250,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s basically why one should write, right.'),(17068,34,4718620,4721560,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because otherwise, how do you get feedback from?'),(17069,34,4721560,4728889,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in that sense, I have got feedback from people but these are still people who I kind of send those links, people I know basically, right.'),(17070,34,4728889,4731960,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean kind of based on some kind of personal network connections and so on, and'),(17071,34,4731970,4732350,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(17072,34,4732920,4735990,'Tathagata Sengupta','You send something you wrote to one of your friends and ask for feedback.'),(17073,34,4735990,4739040,'Tathagata Sengupta','That kind of feedback I got, but general public feedback, I didn\'t get.'),(17074,34,4739590,4754870,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in a sense, I think that\'s fine because I like this particular phase because it also gives someone like me, sort of some peaceful few years to sort of work out some of the details before really having to face the music of,'),(17075,34,4754980,4755540,'Vishesh Kumar','Having yeah.'),(17076,34,4755850,4756240,'Tathagata Sengupta','That you\'re,'),(17077,34,4756280,4757099,'Vishesh Kumar','Public scrutiny.'),(17078,34,4757110,4759954,'Tathagata Sengupta','So I want to be a little bit more prepared before I get there.'),(17079,34,4760059,4760349,'Tathagata Sengupta','So,'),(17080,34,4762170,4762480,'Vishesh Kumar','Nice.'),(17081,34,4763059,4765699,'Tathagata Sengupta','I don\'t, I don\'t think I answered your question though.'),(17082,34,4765740,4765979,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean,'),(17083,34,4766009,4766389,'Vishesh Kumar','I think'),(17084,34,4767799,4768170,'Tathagata Sengupta','Affordances, yes.'),(17085,34,4768190,4771809,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, on the question of affordances, I think, some of the little bit feedback I did get.'),(17086,34,4772580,4772769,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17087,34,4772769,4775549,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, I think those people were quite interested in response.'),(17088,34,4775550,4783469,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this includes people, some of my friends with whom I have differences, it\'s not like I agree with everything that they do.'),(17089,34,4783480,4792519,'Tathagata Sengupta','But some of my friends in friends and colleagues in education research, who I send those pieces to, and who sort of work on these kinds of questions of science education and media and forms and this kind of things.'),(17090,34,4793679,4819620,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the feedback I got from them is largely [inaudible] but beyond that, since we haven\'t really tried it out in sort of a public sense, for instance, I don\'t really, I can\'t tell you how sort of a young student would go through this and they would make out.'),(17091,34,4819620,4820820,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so that\'s something,'),(17092,34,4820830,4821230,'Vishesh Kumar','I see.'),(17093,34,4822629,4824389,'Tathagata Sengupta','Hopefully I\'ll have an answer to,'),(17094,34,4824599,4831550,'Vishesh Kumar','Do you have any thoughts on its features affordances in for your own thinking or expression?'),(17095,34,4832990,4833250,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17096,34,4833250,4833849,'Tathagata Sengupta','Oh, okay.'),(17097,34,4833849,4838020,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah, so one of the, I mean again and I guess it\'s best to sort of cite examples, right.'),(17098,34,4838020,4848990,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, one of the things, again, this came up through studying the history of religion and science, particularly the history of Alchemy right.'),(17099,34,4848990,4852559,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right now, I\'m actually quite, really, I find it, I don\'t know.'),(17100,34,4852580,4857470,'Tathagata Sengupta','You should also try.'),(17101,34,4857969,4860900,'Tathagata Sengupta','One of the things is, for instance, that what we mean by Chemistry today, right.'),(17102,34,4860900,4863740,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, it kind of goes back.'),(17103,34,4864380,4868137,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, basically obviously, I mean, Alchemy is the precursor of what we mean by Chemistry.'),(17104,34,4868137,4870940,'Tathagata Sengupta','But what\'s quite amazing is one thing that the kind of continuity, right.'),(17105,34,4871250,4873676,'Tathagata Sengupta','So for instance, most of the standard, at least like school, the school laboratory kind of or even the kind of the large sections of even some of the industrial laboratory setup kind of, the process of distillations or the kinds of instruments that we, or the kind of vessels that we used, etc.'),(17106,34,4873676,4873803,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are directly inherited from thousands of years of our Alchemical practice.'),(17107,34,4873803,4873814,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(17108,34,4873814,4874482,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we owe a lot to the history of Alchemical practice.'),(17109,34,4874482,4874544,'Tathagata Sengupta','But, one thing that really I found quite fascinating is how, so basically what I mean to say is the idea of laboratory, right.'),(17110,34,4874544,4874585,'Tathagata Sengupta','The idea of laboratory is not due to Charles Boyle or any of those guys, right.'),(17111,34,4874585,4874631,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean you had a notion of laboratories for thousands of years, right where people were doing that.'),(17112,34,4874631,4874923,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, by thousands of years, I actually mean, let\'s say as far back as Pharaonic Egypt, right.'),(17113,34,4874923,4875675,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean Pharaonic Egypt is actually one of the main centers of Alchemical research.'),(17114,34,4875675,4876523,'Tathagata Sengupta','Alexandria and [inaudible] . Two of the first known or documented sort of writers or documented Alchemists so to speak, who sort of taught Alchemy and who gave lectures on Alchemy, both are women.'),(17115,34,4876523,4876551,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, the person I want to mention is called Cleopatra.'),(17116,34,4876551,4876582,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this is the, this is not the same Cleopatra.'),(17117,34,4876582,4876602,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this is Cleopatra, the Alchemist.'),(17118,34,4876602,4876647,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, so she was one of the first recorded Alchemist and the trend setter of sorts.'),(17119,34,4876647,4876698,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean she was to Alchemy to what today Newton, Isaac Newton is to sort of [inaudible] right.'),(17120,34,4876698,4876726,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean even her teacher, her instructor was another woman.'),(17121,34,4876726,4876743,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, these are two women.'),(17122,34,4876743,4876774,'Tathagata Sengupta','So her teacher was named Miriam, Jewish, a Hebrew-speaking Jewish woman.'),(17123,34,4876774,4876824,'Tathagata Sengupta','The point I was trying to get at is, if you look at how Cleopatra describes a laboratory.'),(17124,34,4876824,4888851,'Tathagata Sengupta','Or something like how she\'s writing about sort of this act of hermetically-sealed vessels in which you are conducting your chemical experiments on a burner and so on, on fire and something.'),(17125,34,4888851,4888956,'Tathagata Sengupta','Cleopatra describes that vessel, that hermetically-sealed vessel as metaphorically and as analogous to the mother\'s womb.'),(17126,34,4888956,4888960,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(17127,34,4888960,4889021,'Tathagata Sengupta','And she constantly talks, I mean, that\'s the language she uses to talk about chemical research.'),(17128,34,4889021,4889085,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean for her, the language of chemical research is basically a feminist language in that sense.'),(17129,34,4889085,4889135,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean it\'s about like how, producing, like child-rearing kind of thing, right.'),(17130,34,4889135,4889169,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, then she\'s talking about like biological world.'),(17131,34,4889169,4889226,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so she places her chemistry laboratory in an inseparable world of lives, right.'),(17132,34,4889226,4889340,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, if you compare that to today\'s pharmaceutical companies laboratory, I mean, centering something on that kind of biological lives, is the last thing you expect to happen there, right.'),(17133,34,4889340,4889401,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, the kind of industrial, when you think of the typical modern, industrial chemical level.'),(17134,34,4889401,4889580,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now this is the point why I\'m raising this because, and that\'s where we need to get into some of the details of what they\'re then doing with all that and how the science is developing in a sense is, what kind of impact does it have?'),(17135,34,4889580,4889679,'Tathagata Sengupta','Like, I mean, so on the face of it, it may not sort of mean much, on the face of it may not sound very significant.'),(17136,34,4889679,4889701,'Tathagata Sengupta','It might just sound as, okay.'),(17137,34,4889701,4890034,'Tathagata Sengupta','Just another metaphorical device to think about basically the same thing, right.'),(17138,34,4890034,4890608,'Tathagata Sengupta','But, it\'s actually quite telling how, that\'s not the case.'),(17139,34,4890608,4897791,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s actually quite telling how the form or the kind of metaphysical, what do you call it, like the metaphysical background or the metaphysical language or the world that you choose to sort of talk about something like a chemical experiment, the kind of impact that has on the science of Chemistry itself, on the kind of experiments that you do, right.'),(17140,34,4897791,4897792,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean how you connect it with everything else that you do.'),(17141,34,4897792,4897792,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right.'),(17142,34,4897792,4897794,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so for instance, there, you won\'t have, so for instance, today, I mean, what has happened today on the other hand, right.'),(17143,34,4897794,4897798,'Tathagata Sengupta','So one of my friends, we are working on this also, that\'s another project that I told you initially, that kind of getting split into like five different projects.'),(17144,34,4897798,4897811,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I hope that somewhere that all come together, but so one of those project that I\'m kind of currently engaged in is, with another friend, on the relations between chemistry and mathematics.'),(17145,34,4897811,4898701,'Tathagata Sengupta','And that kind of centering these things on the question of health.'),(17146,34,4898701,4898916,'Tathagata Sengupta','So there we were discussing how, we are trying to sort of discuss how.'),(17147,34,4898916,4899222,'Tathagata Sengupta','So if you look at sort of, modern medicines, right, if you have to take the example of modern medicines.'),(17148,34,4899222,4899420,'Tathagata Sengupta','If you go to Patancheru right, I mean, and, and we did this.'),(17149,34,4899420,4899711,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean in the sense, Patancheru is this town near Hyderabad and it\'s right next to University of Hyderabad.'),(17150,34,4899711,4900017,'Tathagata Sengupta','Right, so when I was there and this friend I\'m saying he was also a chemistry department master student there.'),(17151,34,4900017,4900231,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, we would, we were part of various kinds of groups that went into.'),(17152,34,4900231,4900476,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, Patancheru is that area that is kind of right next to the University of Hyderabad.'),(17153,34,4900476,4900706,'Tathagata Sengupta','And Patancheru is sort of the, you could call it the pharmaceutical hub of India.'),(17154,34,4900706,4900859,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean the whole town is basically a pharmaceutical town.'),(17155,34,4900859,4901348,'Tathagata Sengupta','So all medicines, genetic drug industries that you can think of, American industries, Japanese industries, companies, American companies, all, and also Indian companies, all of them have production units in that area.'),(17156,34,4901348,4901563,'Tathagata Sengupta','And Patancheru on the, so that\'s where our modern medicines are coming from, right.'),(17157,34,4901563,4902870,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so when, during this kind of pandemic times, as we would really hope that we have that whole Patancheru town should be as active, producing as many medicines as you possibly can and that kind of the, that\'s how important that town is, that industry is for our modern, our current notion of being healthy.'),(17158,34,4902870,5285129,'Tathagata Sengupta','But at the same time, Patancheru, not surprisingly is also the third most polluted town in the whole country.'),(17159,34,5285949,5292480,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so to the extent that the entire water system in that region has been completely messed up.'),(17160,34,5292480,5296760,'Tathagata Sengupta','And if you go to sort of, so these are the, this is Telangana, right.'),(17161,34,5296950,5311492,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, this was kind of, this was \'Nizam Ka Area\', right.'),(17162,34,5311492,5320480,'Tathagata Sengupta','And one of the things that the Nizams were like fantastic built I would say is, tank irrigation systems, right.'),(17163,34,5320740,5320923,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, if you look at Telangana irrigation systems, they are like quite amazing the kind of irrigation systems that were in place.'),(17164,34,5320923,5320924,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so Patancheru is no exception.'),(17165,34,5320924,5320936,'Tathagata Sengupta','So you go to that place, you\'ll find this really strategically developed reservoirs that would hold contained water, because you have to understand that this is plateau region, right.'),(17166,34,5320936,5321440,'Tathagata Sengupta','So water is, it\'s not as watery as let\'s say Bengal or Gangetic Plains.'),(17167,34,5321450,5326952,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, these are serious irrigation business, right.'),(17168,34,5326952,5348443,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so they have this huge tanks on which essentially the entire locality depends for everything, right.'),(17169,34,5348690,5354420,'Tathagata Sengupta','For drinking water, for grazing their animals, for everything basically, right.'),(17170,34,5354420,5360059,'Tathagata Sengupta','And when now, if you go to that area, you\'ll find those stands it\'s quite, that site itself is quite chilling.'),(17171,34,5360059,5360279,'Tathagata Sengupta','Okay.'),(17172,34,5360279,5366780,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so you\'ll find like skeletons of cows and buffaloes, cattle, scattered all around those stands.'),(17173,34,5366910,5372799,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, these are cattle who have drank that water and poisoned, been poisoned to death because the water has become so poisonous.'),(17174,34,5374320,5377450,NULL,'The point I\'m trying to make is the following:'),(17175,34,5377480,5396260,'Tathagata Sengupta','That somehow, I mean, in our infinite wisdom, we have created a science where, so let\'s say, when you say health, health of the human body and health of nature have become too completely different things.'),(17176,34,5396600,5396987,'Tathagata Sengupta','And in fact, they seem to be in, at loggerheads with each other, right.'),(17177,34,5396987,5397723,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so you have this antibiotic industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and the side effect of that pharmaceutical industry is this environmental catastrophe, which in fact has turned the entire region into what has been in several reports described as a petri dish of micro bugs.'),(17178,34,5397723,5399089,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, it\'s not, I mean how much more irony could it get that.'),(17179,34,5399089,5401695,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, this Patancheru it\'s not just the source of main bulk source of medicines, it\'s simultaneously also the main bulk source of Superbugs, right.'),(17180,34,5401695,5450019,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, the thing is now, if you go and talk about, try to talk about this to sort of the scientists who are working in the pharmaceutical company, they will say that, oh, you are really looking for either the policy makers or you\'re looking to, you should talk to the politicians, or you should talk to the regulatory authorities, or you should go talk to the environmentalists.'),(17181,34,5450470,5452460,'Tathagata Sengupta','We are chemists, this is not exactly our concept.'),(17182,34,5453760,5455159,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now going back to Cleopatra, right.'),(17183,34,5455230,5463579,'Tathagata Sengupta','Why Cleopatra\'s world is so different is that this kind of a question, like Cleopatra couldn\'t, people like her couldn\'t have said this, right.'),(17184,34,5463579,5469509,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, they couldn\'t have said that, \"Your concern, I\'m just a chemist and your chemical concerns, your environmental concerns, these are the chemistry, it has got nothing to do with me.'),(17185,34,5471919,5476290,'Tathagata Sengupta','You should go talk to some ecologist.\"'),(17186,34,5476750,5479390,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, that would be unimaginable, right.'),(17187,34,5479630,5480329,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, that\'s what I mean.'),(17188,34,5480330,5488629,'Tathagata Sengupta','So would that be the same science or what would it have been like in a sense, of course there would be overlaps and we would have lots of common ideas.'),(17189,34,5488900,5493387,'Tathagata Sengupta','I\'m pretty sure that we still have about what Chemistry is as a science.'),(17190,34,5493440,5501620,'Tathagata Sengupta','But, I would think that it would not be fundamentally the same kind of science.'),(17191,34,5501620,5503500,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we wouldn\'t even mean the same thing.'),(17192,34,5503500,5522749,'Tathagata Sengupta','I think anyway, that\'s a long-winded, this thing of basically coming back to saying that, in my own experience, this has been one of the ways in which forms and how you think about something like laboratory for instance, has got a lot to do with what scientific output comes out of that level.'),(17193,34,5522749,5530630,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, these two things are in my understanding inseparable.'),(17194,34,5531660,5531836,'Tathagata Sengupta','Sorry, I don\'t know, that is somewhat,'),(17195,34,5531836,5536170,'Vishesh Kumar','No, that was completely relevant and insightful.'),(17196,34,5538849,5539379,'Vishesh Kumar','Thank you.'),(17197,34,5540700,5550040,'Vishesh Kumar','Think as we get close to, this is basically the last formal question, but yeah, if you feel like you like talk about it, how has Covid\'19 shaped?'),(17198,34,5550040,5555960,'Vishesh Kumar','How you, the nature of your work, how you orient to your work now?'),(17199,34,5557130,5558840,'Vishesh Kumar','What you think should be doing, what has foregrounded, etc?'),(17200,34,5558840,5558841,'Tathagata Sengupta','Yeah.'),(17201,34,5558841,5564424,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, so Covid\'19 did a couple of things for me, I could say.'),(17202,34,5564424,5575699,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean one thing, I mean, I\'ll not go and take up your time to sort of describe any way, what all of our collective experience has been both.'),(17203,34,5576059,5580709,'Tathagata Sengupta','Both you and I, and everyone might be listening to this would know that.'),(17204,34,5580809,5584040,'Tathagata Sengupta','But I would just take again, maybe a couple of...'),(17205,34,5584540,5609120,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, the first thing for me personally, that one of the things that kind of Covid\'19 did was that some of these questions that I was already kind of grappling with, or some of the crisis in a sense, that I was already grappling with on some of these questions, just got intensified in, in scale and in seriousness.'),(17206,34,5609140,5629850,'Tathagata Sengupta','Even for myself, because of Covid\'19, because we, because of seeing what was going on and, and a lot of these questions were those, the kinds of questions that might have been, let\'s say, vaguely speaking, like sort of theoretical or abstract in my head actually became like really concrete from the Covid\'19 experience, right.'),(17207,34,5629880,5644980,'Tathagata Sengupta','So in a sense, the Covid\'19 experience and the entire, everything, I\'m trying to find the appropriate word, but you know what, you understand, right.'),(17208,34,5645110,5652050,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what it did was it kind of made those questions really urgent for me.'),(17209,34,5652090,5656270,'Tathagata Sengupta','And for many of us, that\'s one thing that it did.'),(17210,34,5658870,5664059,'Tathagata Sengupta','The other thing that it did is yeah again, maybe I should cite concrete example to point out.'),(17211,34,5665219,5670160,'Tathagata Sengupta','So, you remember, I mean, there was, there was this, this was I think when the second wave was going on, I was in Delhi then.'),(17212,34,5670190,5678910,'Tathagata Sengupta','And this was when basically, every day you wake up and you hear people you know dying.'),(17213,34,5679640,5684469,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, entire families you know are getting wiped out, people basically dying like flies.'),(17214,34,5684469,5693430,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I was in Delhi and for days, right, you would hear ambulances.'),(17215,34,5693430,5697830,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean constantly, like nonstop ambulances, like going back and forth.'),(17216,34,5698059,5704269,'Tathagata Sengupta','And it\'s just like, I have never, none of us have ever sort of felt that.'),(17217,34,5704299,5714240,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, what it means, you sort of live in that, people have lived in war zones etc, they have been dealing with such things for ages.'),(17218,34,5714290,5719219,'Tathagata Sengupta','But not people like us who had basically sheltered lives, right.'),(17219,34,5719219,5727143,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean so, around this time, this guy, right I mean that, what\'s his name, this Adar Poonawalla, right.'),(17220,34,5727143,5758580,'Tathagata Sengupta','The Serum Institute, that Pune guy, he kind of gives out this statement that okay, the only way we can sort of vaccinate everyone in this country is if I am given $30,000, know what was, not $30,000, what was the amount, something like, these are like two big orders of magnitude for me, right.'),(17221,34,5758580,5759246,'Tathagata Sengupta','I mean, like something 3000.'),(17222,34,5759246,5766160,'Tathagata Sengupta','What was the...'),(17223,34,5766160,5770465,'Tathagata Sengupta','I don\'t know, some $3 million, or $300 million, something like that.'),(17224,34,5770740,5776375,'Tathagata Sengupta','Some huge, enormous amount of money he said we need to spend to be able to provide vaccines to everyone.'),(17225,34,5776750,5781469,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, already that was, I think, quite obnoxious enough.'),(17226,34,5782550,5790370,'Tathagata Sengupta','But what really pissed me off, or threw me off let\'s say, was not even that guy\'s statement, but in fact how people started reacting to it.'),(17227,34,5790730,5793556,'Tathagata Sengupta','Most of the reactions, if you notice, are basically of two types.'),(17228,34,5793780,5795379,'Tathagata Sengupta','One is, is this figure correct?'),(17229,34,5795629,5804936,'Tathagata Sengupta','Is this a blown up figure, or should there be a more reasonable estimate of how much it should cost to provide vaccines to everyone?'),(17230,34,5804936,5818450,'Tathagata Sengupta','And the second kind of criticism that came up was, or the second kind of debate that happened to an extent is where should this money come from?'),(17231,34,5818450,5824242,'Tathagata Sengupta','Should it be private companies, or private banks, let\'s say financing this?'),(17232,34,5824242,5830034,'Tathagata Sengupta','Or, should it be funded by the government or something like that?'),(17233,34,5830034,5839269,'Tathagata Sengupta','What threw me off was how in a sense, everyone seemed to have bought into this thing that health is just another budget header in an Excel sheet.'),(17234,34,5843480,5844882,'Tathagata Sengupta','You have your wallet, and you have 100 rupees in that, and then you want to spend things.'),(17235,34,5844882,5845120,'Tathagata Sengupta','You want to allocate to your monthly household expenses of how to manage your household.'),(17236,34,5845120,5845121,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s when we do budgeting, right?'),(17237,34,5845121,5845122,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s basically what budgeting means.'),(17238,34,5845122,5845129,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, let\'s say if we go to a place, let\'s say if I\'m switching houses, and I\'m house hunting.'),(17239,34,5845129,5856929,'Tathagata Sengupta','And I go to a house in a place like Patancheru, where, let\'s say, breathing is difficult.'),(17240,34,5856929,5866079,'Tathagata Sengupta','It is literally the case.'),(17241,34,5866079,5888400,'Tathagata Sengupta','You go to that area, and the fumes often would come all the way to the university.'),(17242,34,5888400,5888500,'Tathagata Sengupta','And you can\'t breathe in that air, it\'s dense, right?'),(17243,34,5888500,5888560,'Tathagata Sengupta','The oxygen levels, et cetera, are...'),(17244,34,5888560,5888630,'Tathagata Sengupta','these are being measured by these environmental...'),(17245,34,5888630,5888690,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s documented, there\'s documented, everything\'s there.'),(17246,34,5888690,5888750,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s actually difficult to breathe there.'),(17247,34,5888750,5900908,'Tathagata Sengupta','Now, what if someone were to come and tell me that, \"Okay, you can take a house here, but notice that you won\'t be able to breathe as much, breathe in and breathe out as many times as you would have elsewhere.\"'),(17248,34,5900908,5903901,'Tathagata Sengupta','You will have to budget how many times you inhale air.'),(17249,34,5903901,5920410,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because if you inhale too much air, you will further deplete the oxygen that is available to you, and that can be really bad for you in the long run.'),(17250,34,5926410,5929440,'Tathagata Sengupta','What if breathing becomes a budgeting kind of a question?'),(17251,34,5929440,5931710,'Tathagata Sengupta','It sounds really absurd, right?'),(17252,34,5932050,5943865,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s how absurd it sounded to me when people bought into that logic of you have this purse, you have this wallet, and you have health concern.'),(17253,34,5943960,5948112,'Tathagata Sengupta','And therefore you need to sort out how much you\'ll breathe, who will breathe, how many people get to breathe.'),(17254,34,5948112,5951900,'Tathagata Sengupta','Literally, that\'s really people literally die from not being able to breathe.'),(17255,34,5951900,5952110,'Tathagata Sengupta','[inaudible]'),(17256,34,5952110,5956290,'Tathagata Sengupta','.<v Tathagata Sengupta> This is not even metaphoric, it\'s quite literal.'),(17257,34,5956590,5957407,'Tathagata Sengupta','How much people are allowed to breathe, essentially, is being determined by your financial budget.'),(17258,34,5957407,5957434,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s crazy, right?'),(17259,34,5957434,5958788,'Tathagata Sengupta','In a sense, it should have been completely the other way around.'),(17260,34,5958930,5959378,'Tathagata Sengupta','Any reasonable society would\'ve taken the exact opposite approach.'),(17261,34,5959378,5982425,'Tathagata Sengupta','That in any case, I think this is actually this should be the center of economic rationality.'),(17262,34,5982425,5982551,'Tathagata Sengupta','Economic rationality and health.'),(17263,34,5982551,5982896,'Tathagata Sengupta','First thing you take care of a society is everyone\'s health.'),(17264,34,5982896,5983022,'Tathagata Sengupta','Everyone should be healthy.'),(17265,34,5983022,5983900,'Tathagata Sengupta','And education, everyone should be emotionally healthy or mentally healthy, and intellectually healthy, and physically, biologically healthy and so on.'),(17266,34,5983900,5986262,'Tathagata Sengupta','Health, right?'),(17267,34,5986262,5987443,'Tathagata Sengupta','Healthcare.'),(17268,34,5987443,5992168,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are sort of...'),(17269,34,5992168,6003981,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then you define your monetary system based on this.'),(17270,34,6003981,6013089,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because the fact is that we actually do that.'),(17271,34,6013179,6015120,'Tathagata Sengupta','We actually define money into existence.'),(17272,34,6016780,6017969,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because what is money otherwise?'),(17273,34,6021240,6024750,'Tathagata Sengupta','We literally print money, and these days we type in money.'),(17274,34,6026200,6030629,'Tathagata Sengupta','And all these economic historians, several people have been known the entire modern monetary theory is based on this.'),(17275,34,6031730,6038170,'Tathagata Sengupta','That you can basically, the way you bring money into existence is by giving out loans.'),(17276,34,6038500,6042100,'Tathagata Sengupta','That two people, that\'s how money itself gets generated to begin with.'),(17277,34,6042370,6044219,'Tathagata Sengupta','Otherwise you don\'t begin with money, you don\'t have...'),(17278,34,6044420,6045580,'Tathagata Sengupta','Money is not a fact of nature.'),(17279,34,6046230,6051480,'Tathagata Sengupta','But the way these arguments are conducted is as you would think that money is a fact of nature.'),(17280,34,6054600,6067099,'Tathagata Sengupta','That\'s one of the things that pushed us into actually starting off this, the first thing that I started off with this relation between economic rationality and mathematical rationality and health.'),(17281,34,6067129,6074040,'Tathagata Sengupta','That COVID episode was, in a way, some of those questions were poking around in our minds in a vague sense.'),(17282,34,6074510,6078420,'Tathagata Sengupta','But that Adar Poonawala made it really concrete for us.'),(17283,34,6081469,6086545,'Tathagata Sengupta','These are the kinds of ways in which...'),(17284,34,6086545,6089770,'Tathagata Sengupta','Oh, you are on mute.'),(17285,34,6093139,6096180,'Vishesh Kumar','Those are all the on paper were questions we had.'),(17286,34,6097000,6098479,'Vishesh Kumar','We are mostly at the end of our time.'),(17287,34,6098480,6104879,'Vishesh Kumar','But are there any general other angles, thoughts, that you wanted to remind me?'),(17288,34,6104879,6111129,'Vishesh Kumar','This feels like the most important idea for any viewer, or someone to take away?'),(17289,34,6112620,6124923,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, if I have to pick one thing, I think what I\'m trying to at the end of the day get at is, or suggest, is that we need to...'),(17290,34,6125490,6131460,'Tathagata Sengupta','I think we are living in really remarkable times.'),(17291,34,6132429,6136759,'Tathagata Sengupta','A lot of times I feel like we are actually living in a Galilean kind of times.'),(17292,34,6136839,6138990,'Tathagata Sengupta','And when we think of Galilean times, we typically think of the telescope and heliocentrism and geocentrism and those kinds of things.'),(17293,34,6143780,6148420,'Tathagata Sengupta','But we forget the fact that that was not the whole of the Galilean crisis.'),(17294,34,6148570,6153910,'Tathagata Sengupta','The Galilean crisis, when it was happening, it spanned over every sphere of human existence.'),(17295,34,6154840,6169430,'Tathagata Sengupta','It was as much about physics as it was about questions of health, as it was about questions of morality and religion, as it was about questions of economic relations and the idea of money and debt, debtor and creditor relations, and all of those kinds of things.'),(17296,34,6169960,6184190,'Tathagata Sengupta','That entire thing, and labor relations, all, that entire transgender relations, we mentioned witch hunt, this is the same thing that\'s part of the Galilean crisis.'),(17297,34,6184190,6188207,'Tathagata Sengupta','In a way, I think today we are living in a similar, something that I think is quite comparable..'),(17298,34,6188207,6188491,'Tathagata Sengupta','That look all around.'),(17299,34,6188491,6192642,'Tathagata Sengupta','For instance, the kind of environmental crisis that we are faced with, the kind of health crisis we are now faced with, this crisis of science.'),(17300,34,6192642,6211354,'Tathagata Sengupta','This, for me, this example that I was talking about Patancheru and this separation between the health of nature and the health of people, for me is a fundamental scientific crisis.'),(17301,34,6211354,6212525,'Tathagata Sengupta','It\'s a question of science.'),(17302,34,6212760,6216120,'Tathagata Sengupta','If we have built a model of science where this is the rationality, then clearly we are reaching the limits of that kind of a rationality, and it\'s not working out.'),(17303,34,6227700,6229579,'Tathagata Sengupta','We are getting stuck in various fronts.'),(17304,34,6229630,6233110,'Tathagata Sengupta','We are faced obviously with an economic crisis across the world.'),(17305,34,6234780,6247024,'Tathagata Sengupta','In fact, this Afghanistan crisis, or also and now people have even started saying how what used to be the mainstay of capitalism, the not authentic militarism, not authentic military colonialism.'),(17306,34,6247024,6247340,'Tathagata Sengupta','The failure of the American war efforts in West Asia and in Afghanistan and so on.'),(17307,34,6248090,6267279,'Tathagata Sengupta','A lot of people have now started talking about this.'),(17308,34,6267479,6269221,'Tathagata Sengupta','Very serious people have started talking about this.'),(17309,34,6269221,6271239,'Tathagata Sengupta','This is, we\'ve not seen this ever.'),(17310,34,6271690,6275320,'Tathagata Sengupta','It looks like something is getting stuck there also.'),(17311,34,6275700,6283610,'Tathagata Sengupta','In a sense, that model doesn\'t seem to be really working out really well commercially speaking, for even America.'),(17312,34,6283620,6289769,'Tathagata Sengupta','Which is why, if it was in the business interests of the American empire, let\'s not kid ourselves, they would never leave Afghanistan.'),(17313,34,6289769,6295470,'Tathagata Sengupta','The only reason why they had to leave Afghanistan is because the war had become economically unviable.'),(17314,34,6295480,6298450,'Tathagata Sengupta','The war had become commercially unprofitable.'),(17315,34,6298660,6304420,'Tathagata Sengupta','The crisis is that how come wars are no longer commercially unviable or unprofitable?'),(17316,34,6304570,6306830,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because that\'s been the story of capitalism.'),(17317,34,6307270,6314730,'Tathagata Sengupta','Capitalism wouldn\'t continue for one day if you don\'t have military warfare.'),(17318,34,6315730,6321643,'Tathagata Sengupta','And then another example that I mentioned also was physics, what\'s happening with advanced physics, the particle physics and so on.'),(17319,34,6321643,6328049,'Tathagata Sengupta','We are, actually in that sense, I do think we are in a Galilean kind of times.'),(17320,34,6328670,6338759,'Tathagata Sengupta','And these require really serious introspections, and really serious dialogues across society.'),(17321,34,6339600,6344010,'Tathagata Sengupta','And my worry is that, in that context, I wanted to phrase the question of education.'),(17322,34,6344020,6350649,'Tathagata Sengupta','And my worry is how much of these concerns around education and learning have been completely subsumed into the concerns of the market and the state and so on.'),(17323,34,6352719,6359830,'Tathagata Sengupta','This whole, this constant way of thing of economic survival, et cetera, et cetera.'),(17324,34,6359830,6361019,'Tathagata Sengupta','And so this thing of people need to learn mathematics, why?'),(17325,34,6361070,6364309,'Tathagata Sengupta','Because otherwise they wouldn\'t get employment.'),(17326,34,6364309,6370900,'Tathagata Sengupta','Well, we are reaching a limit of that project because it\'s not as if people who are learning mathematics are getting employed.'),(17327,34,6371260,6372588,'Tathagata Sengupta','How long can you keep doing this?'),(17328,34,6372588,6372739,'Tathagata Sengupta','Sooner or later people will stop taking mathematics classes, because there\'s absolutely no reason to do this.'),(17329,34,6372739,6372863,'Tathagata Sengupta','We are living in a time when, in this country for instance, a B.'),(17330,34,6372863,6389682,'Tathagata Sengupta','Tech graduate from a place like IIT Mumbai also doesn\'t have a guaranteed jobs.'),(17331,34,6389682,6391215,'Tathagata Sengupta','There are B.'),(17332,34,6391215,6394590,'Tathagata Sengupta','Tech graduates from IITs who are unemployed right now.'),(17333,34,6394590,6397820,'Tathagata Sengupta','And well, we are converting it into the go start your own startup, get your own money, et cetera, et cetera.'),(17334,34,6397820,6398824,'Tathagata Sengupta','But like Pakoda-seller type.'),(17335,34,6398824,6402152,'Tathagata Sengupta','This is not going to work.'),(17336,34,6402152,6406035,'Tathagata Sengupta','Everyone knows this is going to crumble.'),(17337,34,6406590,6426489,'Tathagata Sengupta','I wanted to end with one thing that I would want to really almost plead to everyone is that it\'s really crucial that I think we start questioning our Holy Grail assumptions about what learning is, what science is, what common sense is, what education is, and so on so forth.'),(17338,34,6426530,6430780,'Tathagata Sengupta','And, yeah.'),(17339,34,6433810,6443459,'Tathagata Sengupta','Do it in the sense that we would do anything else.'),(17340,34,6443459,6447950,'Tathagata Sengupta','For instance, if we have...'),(17341,34,6452610,6462870,'Tathagata Sengupta','[inaudible] . It\'s funny, whenever you talk about in [inaudible] and those kind of places, whenever you talk about you know that superstition, it\'s not going to work, and this religion is a mess and so on.'),(17342,34,6466640,6467440,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we need science.'),(17343,34,6467500,6470540,'Tathagata Sengupta','I don\'t know if you\'ve noticed this.'),(17344,34,6470550,6479129,'Tathagata Sengupta','I\'ve noticed a lot of times this bridge building engineers is somehow the go-to example for these people.'),(17345,34,6479369,6486030,'Tathagata Sengupta','And somehow they will say that, oh, if you didn\'t have precise science, if you didn\'t have precise engineering, how would you build bridges?'),(17346,34,6486260,6488470,'Tathagata Sengupta','You need the bridge to work.'),(17347,34,6488470,6490280,'Tathagata Sengupta','Obviously, of course you need mathematics, of course you need precise physics.'),(17348,34,6491440,6492760,'Tathagata Sengupta','They will always go to the bridge.'),(17349,34,6493160,6498064,'Tathagata Sengupta','I also wanted to [inaudible] in a different sense.'),(17350,34,6498119,6503080,'Tathagata Sengupta','If we had an engineer who was building a bridge which is typically breaking down, we would\'ve fired that engineer.'),(17351,34,6503269,6508810,'Tathagata Sengupta','That is the sense in which I think we should approach questions of education.'),(17352,34,6509090,6521080,'Tathagata Sengupta','If, as educators, we are failing to do something repeatedly year after year, ticket after ticket, then maybe it\'s time we raise fundamental questions about what it means to be an educator, the kind of questions that people like Jyotiba Phule and Savitribai Phule are raising.'),(17353,34,6521790,6522683,'Tathagata Sengupta','And maybe we have to start raising questions about what could be a way to fire all of these?'),(17354,34,6522683,6536216,'Tathagata Sengupta','And we could start things from fresh slate, in the way which the current times [inaudible]'),(17355,34,6536216,6537241,'Vishesh Kumar','Yeah.'),(17356,34,6537241,6545445,'Vishesh Kumar','Thank you for, once again, a provocative note.'),(17357,34,6545445,6555330,'Vishesh Kumar','I think that\'s a valuable, powerful summarization to end with, especially.'),(17358,2,4390,5479,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, yeah.'),(17359,2,5580,8629,'Dr. Vasavi','So I\'m basically a social anthropologist.'),(17360,2,8630,18849,'Dr. Vasavi','My interests are in social theory and in anthropology, sociology of India, and with a strong focus on agrarian studies and educational studies.'),(17361,2,18849,19467,'Dr. Vasavi','I did my Master\'s, M.Phil from the Department of Sociology Delhi School of Economics, and then left for the US to do my PhD at Michigan State University.'),(17362,2,19490,19893,'Dr. Vasavi','And after that I taught for a year at Tufts at Medford, and then returned to India and I\'ve worked for about 14 to 15 years.'),(17363,2,19893,19918,'Dr. Vasavi','Most of the time was at the National Institute for Advanced Studies in Bangalore.'),(17364,2,19918,20005,'Dr. Vasavi','Apart from that actual working experience, I\'ve sort of been engaged with various projects on the ground level, which is from where we sort of took off the Punarchith collective started in 2011, started with a number of friends, a small group actually, trying to bridge what I thought was...'),(17365,2,20005,103470,'Dr. Vasavi','I was engaged in research and studies on agrarian issues along with the educational issues, focusing on the youth, who we felt really were both understudied and underrepresented in both these context of what was happening in agriculture in India, about the agrarian distress that I had written about, but also looking at the problems of poor quality education, especially as India was expanding its secondary education system, and the university systems were expanding.'),(17366,2,103740,118869,'Dr. Vasavi','So trying to bridge these two by looking at youth as actors, but also looking at the agency of youth in these contexts, and what would an alternative learning program be, in contrast to mainstream formal education?'),(17367,2,119539,121789,'Dr. Vasavi','That\'s what the collective tries to do.'),(17368,2,122410,123040,'Gayithri','Really nice.'),(17369,2,123190,124960,'Gayithri','So I\'ll just briefly introduce myself.'),(17370,2,125090,141079,'Gayithri','I\'m Gayithri Jayathirtha, I\'m a doctoral student at the University of Pennsylvania currently, and my primary research area has been computing education, to have a focus, to have a disciplinary home.'),(17371,2,142170,152390,'Gayithri','But before this I was a math teacher, mathematics teacher back in India, where I was running an afterschool program, for-profit afterschool program.'),(17372,2,153290,163700,'Gayithri','But I was also partnering with a few nonprofit institutions to support the broader mathematics teachers in a couple of districts in Karnataka.'),(17373,2,165490,167290,'Gayithri','I was actually partnering with Prajayatna.'),(17374,2,167290,168190,'Gayithri','I\'m not sure if you have heard of them.'),(17375,2,168850,169647,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, I\'ve heard of.'),(17376,2,169820,170120,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17377,2,170120,177559,'Gayithri','So I did some work with them for a few years before I moved here for my Master\'s and then my PhD program.'),(17378,2,179449,186810,'Gayithri','So that has been my training, but I\'m also retraining, trying to complicate what I understand, and how I understand the world.'),(17379,2,188210,206530,'Gayithri','And from the time we\'ve been here, I have had my own struggles with my identity, for what it means to be doing this work here, and why am I even doing this, and what at least is not being sufficiently studied, and what doesn\'t connect with my own life experiences?'),(17380,2,206540,236809,'Gayithri','And that is why this whole collective started off, like the south Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective, we call it, but it was predominantly a bunch of us Indian students coming together and really trying to understand what about our own lives are we actually parking outside our classrooms to learn whatever is being taught here, to learn the theories that we learn or study or read here.'),(17381,2,237540,244950,'Gayithri','And that is why we started recognizing some patterns, some of the patterns in our own conversations.'),(17382,2,244950,250910,'Gayithri','We have been engaging for over a year or two now, more than a couple of years actually.'),(17383,2,251410,267620,'Gayithri','And then we got this little grant to do this work where we were like, \"Okay, let us talk to folks and find out and capture those contextual factors for what it means to work in the subcontinent.'),(17384,2,267660,271080,'Gayithri','What emerges, and how is work even done there?'),(17385,2,271100,273870,'Gayithri','Is it qualitatively different, in what ways?'),(17386,2,273910,276289,'Gayithri','What are some of the concerns that are coming up?'),(17387,2,277070,287690,'Gayithri','So we just wanted to capture that and we wanted to talk to people who are working there, people who have studied there, people who may be doing both, just you do.'),(17388,2,288180,290849,'Gayithri','So thank you so much for joining us today.'),(17389,2,290860,295650,'Gayithri','So we will have two parts for this conversation.'),(17390,2,295650,308200,'Gayithri','One would be more focused on your work, mostly Punarchith, and we will get to more of that and what you\'re doing there, how is it oriented towards the goals that you\'re planning for?'),(17391,2,308840,318440,'Gayithri','And another would be more of your personal journey, your personal story for where did you start and how did you navigate, and how did you get to where you are now?'),(17392,2,318980,332090,'Gayithri','And what in the process would you want to share with people who would want to or who aspire to be in your position, who aspire to do the kind of work of that you do?'),(17393,2,333340,341829,'Gayithri','And who may be in position similar to where you are, like where you were before as a PhD student, thinking about the theories.'),(17394,2,342170,348840,'Gayithri','So let\'s get started by talking about your ongoing work with the rural youth.'),(17395,2,351210,372880,'Gayithri','For the sake of listeners, of course we will be tagging in some of the writings that you already have ,the webpage of the organization so that people get a sense of what is happening, but if you were to briefly tell them, what would be the overview of your work, for the listeners?'),(17396,2,373330,377900,'Gayithri','What exactly is Punarchith, what do you do there?'),(17397,2,379050,379360,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17398,2,379480,381880,'Dr. Vasavi','So Punarchith means re-think.'),(17399,2,383080,410539,'Dr. Vasavi','Basically, for us, it was a way to rethink our own privileges, the kind of privileged backgrounds we came from and the privileges we\'ve had, but also to rethink a whole range of knowledge systems which we have just received, either in our formal education systems or the kind of formal information and kind of understandings we get from the larger society.'),(17400,2,410539,429912,'Dr. Vasavi','It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world in which there was so much turbulence, in which we were witness to but we were also participants in that kind of turbulence that had been happening in India in the past three decades.'),(17401,2,429912,471219,'Dr. Vasavi','So, it was to rethink all this, along with a new kind of learning practices, and deliberately we didn\'t want to call it education, making learning, especially for the rural youths, as an endeavor, an experience that draws from their own lives, from their own life worlds, but enables them to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way through, by first, by making them as endowed and capable individuals, so our kind of byline was individual growth, but collective responsibility.'),(17402,2,472419,477345,'Dr. Vasavi','So basically when we started in 2011, we took a whole year.'),(17403,2,477700,480000,'Dr. Vasavi','Much of it was sort of organically evolved.'),(17404,2,480780,491302,'Dr. Vasavi','We deliberately did not take a blueprint approach, although we had some ideas as to what would be the modules and who would be the participants, et cetera.'),(17405,2,491760,495320,'Dr. Vasavi','So this was a course called the Integrated Learning Program.'),(17406,2,495650,504249,'Dr. Vasavi','It was meant for youth from 18 to 27, 28, both girls and boys, and it would be a course in which they would not...'),(17407,2,504970,512000,'Dr. Vasavi','Because we still don\'t have the infrastructure to house them for long periods of time but they would come in the morning and go back.'),(17408,2,512000,516750,'Dr. Vasavi','It was for all the villages that were around us in the village we stayed in.'),(17409,2,516750,521960,'Dr. Vasavi','So that was really the flagship, and has been our flagship program.'),(17410,2,521970,525709,'Dr. Vasavi','We have not done it since 2019, we\'ve not conducted it.'),(17411,2,525740,528790,'Dr. Vasavi','Mostly 2019, we did not have funds.'),(17412,2,529360,531620,'Dr. Vasavi','2020 we got the funds, but-'),(17413,2,532340,532770,'Gayithri','COVID happened.'),(17414,2,532830,538779,'Dr. Vasavi','The pandemic restrictions prevented us, and this year we are hoping to really make up for the two lost years.'),(17415,2,538799,553890,'Dr. Vasavi','But we continued to engage with the alumni, which really has now become a part of really the learning experience, its telling us, which I will later elaborate on, which is a big learning for us, but, of course, by in itself it\'s inadequate here.'),(17416,2,553950,568400,'Dr. Vasavi','They need so much more handholding over the years because the situations are so difficult, and their own precarity in their homes, in the households, in the society, means that much more scaffolding is required.'),(17417,2,568460,581620,'Dr. Vasavi','So that continues to be part of our work, where we have alumni network and we have groups, production groups, civic citizenship action groups, et cetera, all from the alumni.'),(17418,2,581620,584190,'Dr. Vasavi','So that\'s the big part of the work.'),(17419,2,584560,598340,'Dr. Vasavi','The other supplementary, in some ways complimenting this work, is we purchased seven acres of very dry loose land, dry in the sense it does not have water.'),(17420,2,598340,604130,'Dr. Vasavi','The water that we have is harvested from the rain, and land that had been abused over several years and abandoned.'),(17421,2,604630,606281,'Dr. Vasavi','Of course,somebody sold it to us, so a restoration of land, land restoration program, restoring the soils, the biodiversity, the crops, the trees, everything.'),(17422,2,606281,608675,'Dr. Vasavi','So that has really been very time consuming.'),(17423,2,608675,634709,'Dr. Vasavi','A big, big learning experience for all of us, but getting really into the nitty gritty of agriculture, much more than we had anticipated and much more than the kind of skills we had or the knowledge we had as a team.'),(17424,2,635219,638430,'Dr. Vasavi','Along with this, as we\'ve evolved over the past nine years.'),(17425,2,638430,647779,'Dr. Vasavi','As I said, we\'ve tried to grow organically by responding to the demands of the field, responding to what we think needs to be done.'),(17426,2,647779,667920,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, when we saw the youth and they own such small parcels of land, agriculture does not give them adequate income, we started a small production unit, but it also fed into our whole questioning the mainstream economy, the capitalistic economy and a way to get this economy a profit making unit.'),(17427,2,668940,674140,'Dr. Vasavi','People who have to profit versus workers, that the youth themselves formed collectives.'),(17428,2,674199,679619,'Dr. Vasavi','So right now, what is grown locally is also a value-added process and is sold by them.'),(17429,2,679659,682130,'Dr. Vasavi','So a very small collective, and it\'s a subgroup.'),(17430,2,683370,684160,'Dr. Vasavi','They run the show themselves.'),(17431,2,685160,692499,'Dr. Vasavi','So that\'s a production unit which we also started.'),(17432,2,692499,693105,'Dr. Vasavi','Other than that we have a lot of small, small programs.'),(17433,2,693160,712797,'Dr. Vasavi','A home gardening program, in which we emphasize ideas of nutrition and also autonomy, especially for women in the context of a lot of malnutrition in the area, but also enhancing this whole idea of food sovereignty, which is a huge issue in the rural areas and agriculture\'s changing very fast.'),(17434,2,712797,714691,'Dr. Vasavi','So these are some of the smaller programs.'),(17435,2,714691,726390,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve recently started one, an outreach program, on understanding climate emergency, because climate change is so, so evident.'),(17436,2,726460,738520,'Dr. Vasavi','But yet action, either from the government or from the societal level, to address extant resource degradation isn’t there, so we\'ve been trying to work on that for the whole district.'),(17437,2,738660,741070,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve done a lot of data collection and analysis.'),(17438,2,741780,744112,'Dr. Vasavi','Right now we are doing small infographics, which we are kind of disseminating to people.'),(17439,2,744112,744125,'Dr. Vasavi','[inaudible]'),(17440,2,744125,744577,'Dr. Vasavi','.<v Dr. Vasavi> And of course the COVID is a time which has forced us to situate that within the larger climate emergency context.'),(17441,2,744577,745026,'Dr. Vasavi','And to say that unless we really take care of our ecology, our ecological systems, you cannot have [inaudible] livelihoods.'),(17442,2,745026,745948,'Dr. Vasavi','These two are very, very integrated.'),(17443,2,745948,747770,'Dr. Vasavi','So these are, I think, very major challenges for us.'),(17444,2,756440,780753,'Dr. Vasavi','I think we stepped in with ideas of an alternative learning program, not classroom-based but different, but what has emerged are these different programs.'),(17445,2,780753,781817,'Gayithri','Very interesting.'),(17446,2,782349,788120,'Gayithri','I would love to see what that expansion meant and how that actually happened.'),(17447,2,788730,798890,'Gayithri','But before we move on, you said that you started this in 2011, and you have had cohorts of youth participating in your program.'),(17448,2,799400,807760,'Gayithri','Just to get a sense, again for our listeners, what is a cohort size, and so far how many have...'),(17449,2,808699,816060,'Gayithri','You recently reached out to the alumni, so what has been a sense of size, if you were to give?'),(17450,2,817360,819130,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, we started the...'),(17451,2,819180,823400,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve had batches of only 24, that\'s what...'),(17452,2,823400,826649,'Dr. Vasavi','It fits our budget, but also fits the classroom, the kind of space we have.'),(17453,2,826730,831730,'Dr. Vasavi','12 girls, 12 boys, that\'s what we would recruit for each batch.'),(17454,2,832330,837900,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve had some dropouts, mostly when girls get married, they\'ve withdrawn.'),(17455,2,838510,849820,'Dr. Vasavi','That\'s been a huge challenge for us, where, the kind of, extent to which we\'ve lost girls, although we\'ve taken a lot of trouble to retain them.'),(17456,2,849830,854634,'Dr. Vasavi','But every batch, the most outstanding performers are girls, although it\'s agriculture.'),(17457,2,854634,855251,'Dr. Vasavi','So we\'ve been happy by that, and we continue to focus on that.'),(17458,2,855251,855393,'Dr. Vasavi','Some, of course...'),(17459,2,855393,855867,'Dr. Vasavi','We have a rule where if they don\'t have attendance...'),(17460,2,855867,872890,'Dr. Vasavi','Attendance falls more than… their absenteeism is high, is higher than 30%, we ask them to leave.'),(17461,2,873070,880629,'Dr. Vasavi','Mostly because no session can be understood unless you have attended previous sessions, so because of that.'),(17462,2,880879,893860,'Dr. Vasavi','So altogether right now, from six batches we have only about a hundred and odd students, of which about 60 odd are quite active, in the sense, quite engaged with us.'),(17463,2,894430,901170,'Dr. Vasavi','We have about 18 people who have formed the core of the production unit.'),(17464,2,901180,909949,'Dr. Vasavi','They run the whole production unit, right from producing the stuff, to sending it, to looking at the monetary levels, the banking, everything.'),(17465,2,910450,912925,'Dr. Vasavi','We have another 12 people who are...'),(17466,2,913070,926389,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s called Grama Sethu, the village bridge, in which they actually work with their local communities in their hamlets, bridging or catering to their civic needs, of the citizenship needs.'),(17467,2,926740,941000,'Dr. Vasavi','Getting your identity card made, your water card made, mobilizing their [inaudible] . Like new COVID… disseminating information on medical support, things like that, for which they get a small honorarium from us.'),(17468,2,941200,949950,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s very part-time work, all mobilizing people for nutritious food, or any of those activities what they do.'),(17469,2,950340,959080,'Dr. Vasavi','So this is what some of them have been engaged in, and which we continue to have this sort of engagement, and mentoring and handholding continues.'),(17470,2,959860,961490,'Gayithri','Got it, got it.'),(17471,2,962280,984310,'Gayithri','And because you were talking about how you make your cohort of 24 try to balance at gender level, is there anything else that you look for or is there anything that you consciously try to accommodate, in terms of other demographic differences that maybe there among the youth, or do you just welcome anybody who\'s interested?'),(17472,2,985520,985680,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17473,2,988369,990744,'Dr. Vasavi','By default, most of the students are from the scheduled caste, and a few from the..'),(17474,2,990744,991560,'Dr. Vasavi','it is a tribal area, so we tribal students also.'),(17475,2,991560,1002400,'Dr. Vasavi','There are very few what are called “general category” people in this district.'),(17476,2,1002959,1004079,'Dr. Vasavi','This does have the highest proportion of scheduled caste, scheduled tribe, so we have that.'),(17477,2,1004079,1016610,'Dr. Vasavi','Mostly because we wanted to have an integrated classroom, we did open up to the so-called dominant caste thing, but very, very few people come.'),(17478,2,1017150,1022389,'Dr. Vasavi','They sense that this is not their cup of tea, and overall there is resistance to a course like this.'),(17479,2,1022389,1027629,'Dr. Vasavi','It hasn\'t been easy, it\'s not attractive for them, even though we\'ve paid stipends for that reason.'),(17480,2,1028000,1032579,'Dr. Vasavi','As many have said, \"To study means to go to the city, why would we want to study in a village?'),(17481,2,1032740,1034510,'Dr. Vasavi','Why would we want to study agriculture?'),(17482,2,1035030,1036870,'Dr. Vasavi','Agriculture\'s something everybody wants to abandon.\"'),(17483,2,1037460,1037744,'Dr. Vasavi','Their parents are telling them to abandon it.'),(17484,2,1037744,1044709,'Dr. Vasavi','So altogether this has not been attractive, very, very few people really come out of interest.'),(17485,2,1044709,1051150,'Dr. Vasavi','Of the ones who have come, we would say less than 25% have come with interest in agriculture.'),(17486,2,1051150,1053890,'Dr. Vasavi','So these have been our challenges.'),(17487,2,1053890,1057595,'Dr. Vasavi','The other issue has also been class, which we have not looked at very...'),(17488,2,1057960,1062952,'Dr. Vasavi','I mean too much, because as I said, anyone who can afford it, they don\'t even study in the district.'),(17489,2,1063080,1065632,'Dr. Vasavi','They study in Mysore or in the city, where they would definitely not not want to come.'),(17490,2,1065632,1065641,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17491,2,1065641,1068632,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, the average holding size is only 1.2 acres.'),(17492,2,1068632,1079700,'Dr. Vasavi','Nobody has more than even two acres, in the whole family household, land holding size is so little.'),(17493,2,1081420,1090575,'Dr. Vasavi','Girls, what we have found is, they\'ve come from mostly the Scheduled Caste.'),(17494,2,1090575,1099629,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve had to really, really pick and entice some of the Scheduled Tribe girls.'),(17495,2,1099820,1102039,'Dr. Vasavi','One, they live in very remote hamlets and parents are very reluctant to send them.'),(17496,2,1102039,1107840,'Dr. Vasavi','They always have to be escorted and they will have to come in groups, like more than two girls or three girls, in which we\'ve also facilitated that.'),(17497,2,1108360,1114780,'Dr. Vasavi','But if one girl there drops out, for example we had this case of a girl getting married, all the others also drop out.'),(17498,2,1115090,1116940,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s like a cluster behavior.'),(17499,2,1118090,1120800,'Dr. Vasavi','So these are some of the challenges we\'ve had.'),(17500,2,1121500,1130280,'Dr. Vasavi','But overall I would say really, both in terms of caste and class and the household situation, very, very disadvantaged students.'),(17501,2,1130280,1131860,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(17502,2,1132650,1135820,'Gayithri','I just wanted it to be more explicit in our conversation.'),(17503,2,1138750,1146639,'Gayithri','I think we are at a perfect point to talk a little about the social, political, and economic context in which this work is happening.'),(17504,2,1146910,1149340,'Gayithri','I know you briefly mentioned that you are near Mysore.'),(17505,2,1150650,1155000,'Gayithri','Mysore, being like a pretty big city of Karnataka.'),(17506,2,1155370,1159890,'Gayithri','So would you want to tell us a little more about the context in which this work is happening?'),(17507,2,1161280,1165790,'Gayithri','Geographic location and a little more about the social, political and economic?'),(17508,2,1165990,1176266,'Dr. Vasavi','I just want to say, in the larger context, understanding the larger context of India that you mentioned, along with the ecological context, the environmental context would be very...'),(17509,2,1176540,1181310,'Dr. Vasavi','So we are based in the district of Mysore, which is a Taluka.'),(17510,2,1181310,1183230,'Dr. Vasavi','It became a new district in \'97.'),(17511,2,1183230,1200060,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s considered, it\'s in the leeward side of the Nilgiris, so it\'s kind of a drought prone area because it doesn\'t get sufficient rainfall over the years and has large numbers of very disadvantaged castes.'),(17512,2,1201389,1203790,'Dr. Vasavi','Very little industrialization has taken place.'),(17513,2,1203790,1209780,'Dr. Vasavi','It does have a largish forest belt, where the indigenous people, the Soligas live.'),(17514,2,1209860,1218740,'Dr. Vasavi','It has large national parks which are cordoned off, where the indigenous Soligas have been dumped outside in colonies.'),(17515,2,1219570,1224536,'Dr. Vasavi','This is all cordoned off for tourist purposes, where there are elephants and tiger, leopards, et cetera.'),(17516,2,1224536,1230460,'Dr. Vasavi','So very big tourist sites, which are really not accessible to the local people.'),(17517,2,1231660,1241590,'Dr. Vasavi','Much of it, the plains are very dry, rain dependent, has what I\'ve been calling as dry grain production, but very low production of local grains.'),(17518,2,1242610,1247860,'Dr. Vasavi','It also has some kind of, a little bit of granite stone mining.'),(17519,2,1248430,1251130,'Dr. Vasavi','This is the only other industry available in the area.'),(17520,2,1251960,1271889,'Dr. Vasavi','So the larger political economy is not only of complexity, but also full of contradictions, and this is something that has me agitated all the time because most people don\'t recognize that the extent to which these contradictions in our structural situation are really the challenges we face.'),(17521,2,1272620,1285360,'Dr. Vasavi','The contradictions are that since, say the mid-nineties, when the so-called global economy took off, you\'ve had of course the rise of a middle class, what is called the new Indian middle class.'),(17522,2,1285360,1290850,'Dr. Vasavi','People who profited from the rise of the IT, other industries, growth of the urban areas, et cetera.'),(17523,2,1291280,1300930,'Dr. Vasavi','And you\'ve had the rise of global, very visible, transnational millionaires and elite who are commuting between countries, et cetera.'),(17524,2,1301470,1309470,'Dr. Vasavi','And you\'ve had an increase in real wages in which, you know, the little boats have also been pushed up.'),(17525,2,1310210,1323589,'Dr. Vasavi','But within that, within what is visible infrastructure improvement and visible improvement and housing, access to education, et cetera, are the more invisible disadvantages people have.'),(17526,2,1323589,1343740,'Dr. Vasavi','Where access to clean water, to natural resources, all of these have actually occurred in the context of the natural resource base taking a hit because the economies have been so extractive across the country and we see it in our district.'),(17527,2,1346020,1350600,'Dr. Vasavi','Lakes and forests drying up, agriculture becoming extractive, et cetera.'),(17528,2,1351190,1364020,'Dr. Vasavi','And politically many know that the globalization of the economy has meant, not only opening of the media, but the promotion of the consumer culture, which is very significant for the kind of aspirations youth have.'),(17529,2,1364620,1375600,'Dr. Vasavi','But along with this, what you have is the extent to which there is a welfare government mentality that has spread, where the government is providing some of these.'),(17530,2,1376080,1388960,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, the increase in the food distribution systems, et cetera, which I think is really, balancing of the economics of neglect with the politics of rescue, appeasement basically, always done at election times.'),(17531,2,1389530,1407880,'Dr. Vasavi','But also more significantly has been the erosion of democracy because… the kind of political system that has come [inaudible] and spread of Hindutva, not only as sociocultural level, but as a political force, which has been significant.'),(17532,2,1407880,1419510,'Dr. Vasavi','So along with the sociopolitical and economic structures, we\'ve had, as I mentioned, are the really much more ecological devastation.'),(17533,2,1419550,1432933,'Dr. Vasavi','Not only climate change, but the extant degradation of landscapes that is taking place.'),(17534,2,1432933,1433600,'Dr. Vasavi','And, visibly, there is an improvement.'),(17535,2,1433860,1441760,'Dr. Vasavi','As I mentioned earlier there may be more proper houses, the huts may have gone, and then now these concrete houses have come.'),(17536,2,1441760,1460114,'Dr. Vasavi','There\'s more television, more people have bikes, mobiles everywhere, but the quality of life, for example, if you look at what people are eating, the shrinking of the food basket, the increasing malnutrition, poorer nutritional levels of people, et cetera.'),(17537,2,1460114,1463245,'Dr. Vasavi','I think those are the contradictions, which we need to catch.'),(17538,2,1463550,1469240,'Dr. Vasavi','And this is the context in which we are working.'),(17539,2,1469570,1485980,'Gayithri','And what got you to thinking about this alternative, like learning for rural youth, how did you arrive at, oh, this is what we need to be doing, to actually work with this contradiction?'),(17540,2,1486639,1499562,'Gayithri','And what approaches actually have you drawn to work with this alternative program for rural youth?'),(17541,2,1499562,1507557,'Dr. Vasavi','So as I said we didn\'t have a blueprint, we tried to evolve it.'),(17542,2,1507557,1516210,'Dr. Vasavi','Of course, when we started, there were three four approaches, which having read or interacted with people, we thought this would be appropriate.'),(17543,2,1516210,1519949,'Dr. Vasavi','The first was we thought it would be what I called a social transformational approach.'),(17544,2,1520419,1543410,'Dr. Vasavi','It would not, because of critiques of what the mainstream education system was, it was primarily reproducing the privileges of being already the dominant castes and the classes, but very, very disjunctive to the disadvantaged who could not fit into the mainstream system because of the poor quality of education.'),(17545,2,1543440,1564359,'Dr. Vasavi','So social transformation in the sense of enabling learners to situate themselves within their societies, to engage with it proactively, to become aware of those structures of disadvantage that were keeping them down, to find their voice, to find the agency, to take sort of charge of their own life, to have their own scripts, which they could direct the lives with.'),(17546,2,1564730,1567379,'Dr. Vasavi','So this was what we thought the course should be.'),(17547,2,1568330,1574340,'Dr. Vasavi','Because of that, we gave them, we continue to give a lot of importance to theater, to performing arts.'),(17548,2,1574340,1581400,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, they\'re so shy and inhibited when they come, to develop their confidence, their own sense of self worth, et cetera.'),(17549,2,1581660,1583899,'Dr. Vasavi','So that was one issue.'),(17550,2,1583909,1586660,'Dr. Vasavi','The other was place based education.'),(17551,2,1587110,1591180,'Dr. Vasavi','Because mainstream education system, the texts are full of things elsewhere.'),(17552,2,1591590,1592340,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not there.'),(17553,2,1592590,1593510,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not about them.'),(17554,2,1594100,1598859,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, many don\'t even know why is it that they don\'t get regular rainfall?'),(17555,2,1598979,1600789,'Dr. Vasavi','What does it mean to be in the rain shadow?'),(17556,2,1604350,1605546,'Dr. Vasavi','Why is our agriculture system this particular type?'),(17557,2,1605546,1607280,'Dr. Vasavi','Why is it that our food is this type, not something else?'),(17558,2,1609260,1617509,'Dr. Vasavi','So understanding your own immediate worlds, in relationship to the larger world, that was something that we placed.'),(17559,2,1617679,1621200,'Dr. Vasavi','So understanding, for example, why is that lake dried up?'),(17560,2,1622120,1625159,'Dr. Vasavi','Why that local hospital does not function?'),(17561,2,1626180,1626989,'Dr. Vasavi','Why are our rituals, annual village festivals, why have they become so grand over the years?'),(17562,2,1627010,1627909,'Dr. Vasavi','Why are marriages so different?'),(17563,2,1627909,1644169,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, to see how people are mimicking the tele serials, why are our women dressing differently?'),(17564,2,1644980,1647970,'Dr. Vasavi','From everyday things, to wishes, so very reflexive.'),(17565,2,1650420,1655880,'Dr. Vasavi','So understanding the place itself as a text, rather than a textbook, place as a text.'),(17566,2,1655880,1661050,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, they do walks and map things and then identify those things that they must study.'),(17567,2,1662410,1682889,'Dr. Vasavi','The third thing we are trying to do is, where general skills, we know English or computers and accounts, these are given to see those has skills and capabilities for their everyday lives, for wherever they function, as very necessary, but also enabling them.'),(17568,2,1683620,1689193,'Dr. Vasavi','So it doesn\'t mean just because you\'re going to be in agriculture, you should not know English or you need not know how to use a computer, et cetera.'),(17569,2,1689193,1694640,'Dr. Vasavi','So those, some kinds of universal skills are also given.'),(17570,2,1694680,1702337,'Dr. Vasavi','Finally we try to, in the modules we have, because it\'s not discipline based, we try to be interdisciplinary.'),(17571,2,1702337,1714810,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, when we do a lot of sessions on social issues, whether it\'s gender and caste and religion, also, we try to integrate all kinds of perspective, may not be just sociological.'),(17572,2,1714810,1721449,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, we might look at the politics of caste, not only caste system as a system of hierarchy, but the economics of castes.'),(17573,2,1722230,1730549,'Dr. Vasavi','Or if they\'re doing agriculture, when you map a village, why is it only some people own large amounts of land and large numbers don\'t have any land?'),(17574,2,1731039,1733939,'Dr. Vasavi','How do you understand the economy of a village?'),(17575,2,1734170,1735760,'Dr. Vasavi','Why is it that traders only come?'),(17576,2,1736179,1741819,'Dr. Vasavi','So it could be very, very interdisciplinary and making those into linkages constantly.'),(17577,2,1742490,1753581,'Dr. Vasavi','So these have been our approach and what we found was something that we needed to do, which we started, right from beginning.'),(17578,2,1753581,1756579,'Dr. Vasavi','We had told them no exams, there\'s no fail, no pass.'),(17579,2,1757049,1764319,'Dr. Vasavi','And people were very confused, especially those who had come up in college level because the training system is so honed into that.'),(17580,2,1764789,1777860,'Dr. Vasavi','And then we showed how, okay, if you have a paper, they do either at home or they do it there with us, it\'s correction analysis and you correct, whatever mistakes you\'ve made, errors, you correct that.'),(17581,2,1777860,1778510,'Dr. Vasavi','And you relearn.'),(17582,2,1779170,1779950,'Dr. Vasavi','So relearning, also as part of learning.'),(17583,2,1783260,1786140,'Dr. Vasavi','They are not marked.'),(17584,2,1786210,1787030,'Dr. Vasavi','Nobody is a failure.'),(17585,2,1787679,1789005,'Dr. Vasavi','That was very, very important.'),(17586,2,1789250,1796550,'Dr. Vasavi','Because we found large numbers have dropped out from the system and they\'ve been marked as failures, as failed, already.'),(17587,2,1796880,1802129,'Dr. Vasavi','So that is what the emotional scaffolding helps that overcome.'),(17588,2,1803389,1804670,'Dr. Vasavi','So these were the interlinked ways, some kind of pedagogies also that have been used in the learning.'),(17589,2,1810679,1812149,'Gayithri','Yeah, that\'s perfect.'),(17590,2,1812599,1820880,'Gayithri','And I just took a couple of points like notes, when you were mentioning a few, I think, like something that can be worthy of elaboration.'),(17591,2,1821430,1826320,'Gayithri','One is you were commenting on how the Indian education system is.'),(17592,2,1826650,1839310,'Gayithri','Of course, it\'s not a surprise that it is reproducing, like some of the patterns, some of the dominant patterns and facilitating or helping only like the dominant groups and not everybody.'),(17593,2,1840260,1841600,'Gayithri','Do you want to comment?'),(17594,2,1841870,1852600,'Gayithri','Of course, this is something that has been discussed in the broader context of educational research, but do you want to tell specifically what this has meant for the Indian context?'),(17595,2,1852760,1862980,'Gayithri','What does it mean to reproduce status quo or the privilege or not serving the underprivileged?'),(17596,2,1864980,1865340,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17597,2,1865360,1881700,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think that\'s been the biggest failure of the Indian education system that instead of education being a leveler or equality of opportunity, because of the highly differentiated systems that we have, which I wanted to come later, when we\'re looking at concept.'),(17598,2,1881950,1882190,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17599,2,1883400,1894020,'Dr. Vasavi','It enables the ones who are already advantaged to become even more advantaged and the disadvantaged to be even more disadvantaged.'),(17600,2,1894080,1897941,'Dr. Vasavi','And that\'s what Bourdieu has also reinforced in his study of France, of how a hierarchical education system works.'),(17601,2,1897941,1929340,'Dr. Vasavi','But what we see here is because the system is so punitive to the disadvantaged that it leaves you not only with the disadvantage you have from your family background, your class background, but having failed in the system, which is primarily not, if you\'ve not passed or you\'ve not got a job, which is the biggest goal of education, you become a double failure, the large masses.'),(17602,2,1929340,1934529,'Dr. Vasavi','So it is poor quality mass education that marks people, the youth especially, in these ways.'),(17603,2,1936059,1942270,'Dr. Vasavi','Are scarring them for lives, which really accounts for the large proportion of suicides we have now, among youth.'),(17604,2,1943180,1954589,'Dr. Vasavi','So the kinds of anti-social activities, their frustration, which accounts for them to join groups that are violent and hostile to other groups.'),(17605,2,1954960,1960959,'Dr. Vasavi','A complete lack of understanding of the disadvantage, which a larger system is creating.'),(17606,2,1961750,1967895,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think this really is the biggest failure of the Indian education system.'),(17607,2,1968830,1981560,'Gayithri','And you were also mentioning, even in your narrative, it was kind of clear that you started off with this vision to support youth with an educational program.'),(17608,2,1982040,1988789,'Gayithri','But then in your story, you started talking more about agriculture, like what are people eating?'),(17609,2,1989719,2003420,'Gayithri','Do you want to tell a little about that movement from thinking about it as like a couple of modules, and one program, to now, we are going to talk about what you\'re growing and what you\'re eating?'),(17610,2,2004850,2006560,'Gayithri','What was that movement like?'),(17611,2,2006560,2011250,'Gayithri','What was that journey like to move from this focus to...'),(17612,2,2013750,2024270,'Dr. Vasavi','I think I wasn\'t clear in the sense when we said it\'s an alternative learning program, it wasn\'t just learning all these other kinds of...'),(17613,2,2024270,2039258,'Dr. Vasavi','Agriculture and ecology, were the key sites, key skills that they would get, which is sustainable agriculture now because right now what\'s practiced in much of the belt, or across India is chemical agriculture, which is the green revolution agriculture.'),(17614,2,2039258,2057909,'Dr. Vasavi','So we were kind of looking at sustainable agriculture, linked very strongly to looking at ecological issues, but that would just be a format, as assigned kind of a takeoff site, for other kinds of issues to be brought in.'),(17615,2,2057909,2064829,'Dr. Vasavi','So it was not something that we were not prepared for.'),(17616,2,2064829,2079860,'Dr. Vasavi','It was just that the elaborate; in fact, for example, when we do sessions on food, the boys take over; for example, when we look at gender issues, it\'s the boys who have to do the cutting, chopping, and cooking and serving, et cetera.'),(17617,2,2079889,2089859,'Dr. Vasavi','So as I say, it\'s interdisciplinary, but these agriculture, food, but also sense of belonging, responsibilities, these are all interlinked right from the beginning.'),(17618,2,2090350,2097450,'Dr. Vasavi','How we did it, how much we stressed on it, why we had to redo some things, those were the real challenges we faced.'),(17619,2,2098770,2100450,'Dr. Vasavi','But right from the beginning, we were very clear.'),(17620,2,2100450,2102230,'Dr. Vasavi','Agriculture was a big focus.'),(17621,2,2102259,2110030,'Dr. Vasavi','To see it has a viable likelihood rather than what is happening across the country, which is abandonment of land and abandonment of agriculture.'),(17622,2,2110590,2110930,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17623,2,2113390,2133640,'Gayithri','So what are some of the tensions that you see between the growing educational and economic aspirations of the underprivileged sections, that is the youth that you work with, and the loss of the indigenous knowledge systems or what they bring in?'),(17624,2,2135049,2142560,'Gayithri','So what are some of the tensions that you see at that juncture there?'),(17625,2,2146030,2162479,'Dr. Vasavi','So what\'s happening is, the way in which the mainstream systems, either agriculture, education, health, construction and architecture, all of those are bringing in are practices and knowledge system that lead to practices that are really not relevant for them.'),(17626,2,2168529,2177161,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, the kind of agriculture that is coming in, it\'s based on the wet cultivation models.'),(17627,2,2177161,2177169,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not meant for dry areas.'),(17628,2,2177169,2183600,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s based on chemicals and new kinds of very extractive technologies, et cetera.'),(17629,2,2184020,2187430,'Dr. Vasavi','These are marginalized, long evolved agriculture systems.'),(17630,2,2187460,2191140,'Dr. Vasavi','Systems in which they understood the ecology as well.'),(17631,2,2191370,2198710,'Dr. Vasavi','They knew certain crop systems, cropping patterns, cultivation systems, et cetera, and even processing and conservation.'),(17632,2,2199010,2203082,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, conservation of seeds and et cetera.'),(17633,2,2203082,2205546,'Dr. Vasavi','So it was a whole [inaudible] play, the spectrum of activities they would\'ve had.'),(17634,2,2205546,2214579,'Dr. Vasavi','So we\'ve seen that those have already been eroded, there is very little actually left.'),(17635,2,2214579,2226529,'Dr. Vasavi','So in such a context where the mainstream education system absorbed youth into a mainstream knowledge system, but also does not give them employment in a mainstream system.'),(17636,2,2226529,2238799,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, we know from data, millions of youths are graduates or have graduated, either master\'s level or bachelors level, but don\'t get jobs.'),(17637,2,2239380,2244545,'Dr. Vasavi','And hundreds of thousands of PhD holders are now applying for clerical jobs, et cetera.'),(17638,2,2244870,2249569,'Dr. Vasavi','So unemployment is a huge issue and under employment is also a huge issue.'),(17639,2,2249579,2250790,'Dr. Vasavi','So there is the biggest disjuncture.'),(17640,2,2252040,2259570,'Dr. Vasavi','You\'ve had an education system that really doesn\'t fit into the existing economy or the economy is not able to absorb such large numbers.'),(17641,2,2260200,2274720,'Dr. Vasavi','Which is why you need, and later I want to talk about it, more you need alternative imaginaries, new different kinds of imaginaries of what economies can be and should be, and also then complimentary to that, educational and employment systems.'),(17642,2,2275000,2284500,'Dr. Vasavi','The second is the tension between the new kinds of aspirations that the media has promoted, to what is available.'),(17643,2,2285510,2291430,'Dr. Vasavi','There\'re huge gaps between their aspirations and their realities.'),(17644,2,2291590,2297000,'Dr. Vasavi','They all aspire, for example, of course, clothes have become relatively cheap, mass produced clothes.'),(17645,2,2297840,2318764,'Dr. Vasavi','So you see the first forms of distinction that you would have, it would be in the new kinds of styling, the clothes that they have, but also desires for motorbikes or vehicles or mobiles, either kinds of accessories, new kinds of entertainment, new kinds of food systems, foods that they want to have, et cetera.'),(17646,2,2318764,2322948,'Dr. Vasavi','Theses are the ones have created a lot of tensions within families and households.'),(17647,2,2322948,2335619,'Dr. Vasavi','We know, for example, conflicts between parents and children are primarily over their lack of access to getting these goods.'),(17648,2,2335849,2348549,'Dr. Vasavi','We also know this is also one of the reasons for dowry rates to have increased so much and dowry demands are also demands of kind, you want so much gold, you want a car, you want a tractor, things like that.'),(17649,2,2350420,2358413,'Dr. Vasavi','All of these are existing on huge gaps between people\'s abilities to pay for this or to afford this, versus aspirations.'),(17650,2,2358413,2362300,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think these are really the big problems of mainstream system.'),(17651,2,2365920,2377400,'Gayithri','In that case, what are your comments on environmental and economic sustainability, in relation to these tensions?'),(17652,2,2377410,2392670,'Gayithri','How do you see the work that you\'re doing, in relation to environmental and economic sustainability as addressing, or speaking to these tensions.'),(17653,2,2392799,2403419,'Dr. Vasavi','So it\'s directly related to this because much of our studies have shown that current dominant agriculture model and most of the economic systems are not viable at all.'),(17654,2,2403419,2409109,'Dr. Vasavi','The failures are already very visible, and to the victims also.'),(17655,2,2409770,2411870,'Dr. Vasavi','But the alternatives don\'t exist.'),(17656,2,2413060,2424950,'Dr. Vasavi','And that is what is really the challenge, to create those alternatives, which make it give you, viable at an economic level and also sustainable at an ecological level.'),(17657,2,2424950,2434140,'Dr. Vasavi','But it\'s also a way for us to really rethink the extent to which small alternative models can be scaled up.'),(17658,2,2434140,2438380,'Dr. Vasavi','This is something that many people ask us and I say, you know-This is something that many people ask us.'),(17659,2,2438380,2442643,'Dr. Vasavi','And I say, \"don\'t look at small examples of endeavors as something that they must be scaled up, right?\"'),(17660,2,2442643,2443069,'Gayithri','Scaled up.'),(17661,2,2443240,2445069,'Dr. Vasavi','Onus shouldn\'t be placed on us.'),(17662,2,2445069,2447611,'Dr. Vasavi','What you\'re looking at are multiple models of practice.'),(17663,2,2447611,2449190,'Gayithri','Of those small things, yeah.'),(17664,2,2449430,2449930,'Dr. Vasavi','What is available?'),(17665,2,2450200,2453540,'Dr. Vasavi','What should be is viable here need not be viable for Kashmir or Kerala.'),(17666,2,2453540,2454371,'Dr. Vasavi','Every region is going to have its dynamics and we need different kinds of work.'),(17667,2,2454371,2454462,'Dr. Vasavi','So don\'t always talk about scaling up.'),(17668,2,2454462,2454552,'Dr. Vasavi','I don\'t even want to scale up.'),(17669,2,2454552,2456924,'Dr. Vasavi','The other really challenge is in working on an alternative, you have to, by default work on it on a small scale, because you don\'t know, you\'re not working on a blueprint.'),(17670,2,2456924,2456961,'Dr. Vasavi','It has to be evolved into constantly integrating many, many factors.'),(17671,2,2456961,2456982,'Dr. Vasavi','And many, many sources and agencies.'),(17672,2,2456982,2456999,'Dr. Vasavi','So it must be small.'),(17673,2,2456999,2457013,'Dr. Vasavi','It must be manageable.'),(17674,2,2457013,2457030,'Dr. Vasavi','It must be deeply personalized.'),(17675,2,2457030,2457078,'Dr. Vasavi','It cannot be like anything people ask us, it\'s like, \"oh, only 24 students.'),(17676,2,2457078,2457089,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not scalable.\"'),(17677,2,2457089,2457113,'Dr. Vasavi','They would say, \"it\'s not cost effective.\"'),(17678,2,2457113,2457182,'Dr. Vasavi','\"How can you have so many teachers for just 24?'),(17679,2,2457182,2457184,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not really worth it.'),(17680,2,2457184,2457186,'Dr. Vasavi','You must have minimum 100.\"'),(17681,2,2457186,2526471,'Dr. Vasavi','I immediately say, \"no, we cannot view because this has to be a personalized course and you need a small mass of students who can actually become catalysts,\" and this is a learning for us also.'),(17682,2,2526471,2529005,'Dr. Vasavi','Every step, every course we have also learned.'),(17683,2,2529005,2531640,'Dr. Vasavi','We fine tune, we change tracks.'),(17684,2,2531969,2540385,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, a big learning for us was the extent to which students don\'t read much because there are no reading cultures in these families.'),(17685,2,2540870,2550900,'Dr. Vasavi','And with the inclusion of the both television and now the mobile based media, social media, the little that existed has also vanished.'),(17686,2,2551660,2556835,'Dr. Vasavi','So, if you give them five page thing to read and come back, say the next day or a week later, they still haven\'t read it.'),(17687,2,2556835,2561400,'Dr. Vasavi','So we\'ve seen how distant, you have to teach them to actually read'),(17688,2,2562370,2564865,'Gayithri','Making it a practice.'),(17689,2,2564865,2566850,'Dr. Vasavi','Practice and the culture of reading itself.'),(17690,2,2568120,2573769,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think these are not only challenges, but also linked to the sustainability issues.'),(17691,2,2573869,2577539,'Dr. Vasavi','How do you sustain the program itself?'),(17692,2,2578850,2581230,'Dr. Vasavi','How do you sustain them through a program and how do you sustain the program over the years?'),(17693,2,2581230,2587829,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, it\'s only now after the six or seven batch, we\'re getting inquiries from other villages, of other people.'),(17694,2,2587989,2589049,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s very, very slow.'),(17695,2,2592180,2595100,'Dr. Vasavi','So yeah, these are the multiple issues that we have to grapple with.'),(17696,2,2596120,2596450,'Gayithri','Wow.'),(17697,2,2596850,2623799,'Gayithri','Yeah, I can imagine because I\'m also from Karnataka and I\'ve been to some of the places that you\'re talking about, so I can imagine how it may be a very slow, evolving, organic process because it is so contradictory to what people are used to, what people aspire for when it is a program, what is it that they expect from a program, and how do you...'),(17698,2,2624049,2632280,'Gayithri','Yeah, it\'s a constant battle because you\'re kind of going head on with the cultures that are existing on the ground at that point.'),(17699,2,2634300,2640730,'Gayithri','Yeah and in your work, I know we are moving in that direction, I think this is going to be then perfect.'),(17700,2,2641169,2652190,'Gayithri','You\'ve often highlighted the need for educational institutions to play a role in social transformation rather than reproducing the dominant structures that we just spoke about.'),(17701,2,2653890,2660900,'Gayithri','Can you elaborate on what kind of transformation you believe education should facilitate?'),(17702,2,2661790,2679809,'Gayithri','And of course, I\'m sure you can also draw from your own existing work for how you are doing it in your program, but what is it that you aspire or what you think educational institution should do, if what is that alternative imaginary?'),(17703,2,2682670,2701340,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, so just to define what social transformation would be is to endow learners with capacity, to not only rethink, but to, in order to be particularly aware of their conditions, to see through information, for its relevance.'),(17704,2,2701340,2743999,'Dr. Vasavi','But also to have those capacities, to challenge systems of exploitation, of hierarchy, of discrimination, which in most conditions is accepted and internalized, as legitimate, as inevitable, but also to have deep, good understandings of how larger systems work, to understand the potential of democracy, to understand the potential of what real learning can give you, not just textbook based learning and to come out as both, not only active citizens, but also as empowered individuals within their families, within their communities and then on a larger platform.'),(17705,2,2744689,2749527,'Dr. Vasavi','So that is what I think social transformation learning should be about.'),(17706,2,2749527,2759950,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, we\'ve had cases, very, very small examples of how some of these learners that you really struck out, because of this course.'),(17707,2,2759950,2762850,'Dr. Vasavi','And these speak about it.'),(17708,2,2762850,2772560,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, girls who refused to get married, saying that, just to anybody saying, \"I need to know more about the boy.\"'),(17709,2,2772560,2775819,'Dr. Vasavi','Or a girl who said, \"I know this boy is an alcoholic.'),(17710,2,2775850,2778875,'Dr. Vasavi','Why are you getting me married to him?\"'),(17711,2,2778875,2780296,'Dr. Vasavi','Or, even putting her foot down and saying, \"okay, just let me be for a while.\"'),(17712,2,2780296,2780316,'Dr. Vasavi','So just asserting themselves.'),(17713,2,2780316,2780378,'Dr. Vasavi','To give you an example, when demonetization happened, everything was in disarray.'),(17714,2,2780378,2780409,'Dr. Vasavi','We had not met that week.'),(17715,2,2780409,2780435,'Dr. Vasavi','It was not a thing.'),(17716,2,2780435,2780548,'Dr. Vasavi','And it was a week after demonetization and we knew everybody was really struck, you know, with a mess that they created.'),(17717,2,2780548,2781859,'Dr. Vasavi','When we met after week, we always start with what had happened the previous week, just then demonetization was big.'),(17718,2,2781859,2781982,'Dr. Vasavi','So we asked them and we were so pleased that many of them refused to give, the shops within overnight, if you took them a bill, they would give you whatever you wanted, but take like 10%, 20% commission.'),(17719,2,2781982,2782007,'Dr. Vasavi','And these girls would go to medical stores.'),(17720,2,2782007,2782221,'Dr. Vasavi','They said, \"if you don\'t give us at that rate without the commission, we won\'t buy from you,\" and they walked off.'),(17721,2,2782221,2782398,'Dr. Vasavi','And that fellow had to call them back and say, \"okay, I\'ll just give it to you.\"'),(17722,2,2782398,2847600,'Dr. Vasavi','So no, asserting themselves at those levels, in the banks where some of the boys told us, they just said, \"when they asked us for commissions, we said, no, this is the government rules.\"'),(17723,2,2847820,2850822,'Dr. Vasavi','So knowing about rules and regulations and asserting themselves.'),(17724,2,2850822,2862409,'Dr. Vasavi','So we had small, small cases of people really trying to assert themselves in some ways through the new kinds of empowerment that they had.'),(17725,2,2862409,2868875,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, now, last year we\'ve had village level elections and several of our students stood for elections.'),(17726,2,2869160,2877560,'Dr. Vasavi','And some of the things they had learned was, of course some said, \"you can\'t stand without a party and it\'s only the party that gives you money.'),(17727,2,2877580,2881785,'Dr. Vasavi','And we have to pay people to work for us.\"'),(17728,2,2881785,2883222,'Dr. Vasavi','Paying and all that, the usual corrupt systems.'),(17729,2,2883222,2885509,'Dr. Vasavi','They said, \"no, you have to challenge it.\"'),(17730,2,2885910,2892720,'Dr. Vasavi','How candidates who are capable should come, how do you elect, think about if you are a candidate for [inaudible] and they\'ve had...'),(17731,2,2893149,2897287,'Dr. Vasavi','Of four, five who stood for elections, three lost and two won, but both of them were very proud.'),(17732,2,2897287,2898310,'Dr. Vasavi','And even the ones who lost, they said, \"we\'re very proud.'),(17733,2,2901620,2907749,'Dr. Vasavi','We don\'t feel that things because we\'ve lost by a few like 60 votes, 70 votes, but I didn\'t spend anything.'),(17734,2,2907780,2909450,'Dr. Vasavi','I wasn\'t corrupt.\"'),(17735,2,2910100,2914820,'Dr. Vasavi','So in a very small ways where we trying to get them also to become part of the system, to become accountable.'),(17736,2,2915040,2927685,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think that is what social transformative learning should enable us to really undo some of the systems that are higher up.'),(17737,2,2927685,2932660,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, boys now tell us that, \"earlier, we never washed our plates after a meal.'),(17738,2,2933369,2937310,'Dr. Vasavi','Now we\'ve become so gender sensitive, we wash our plates.\"'),(17739,2,2937600,2939780,'Dr. Vasavi','Some of the boys who said, \"we\'ve never carried water.\"'),(17740,2,2940440,2942270,'Dr. Vasavi','They have to go to the common tap and carry water.'),(17741,2,2943310,2944461,'Dr. Vasavi','It was always, it continues.'),(17742,2,2944461,2946000,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve seen it so much.'),(17743,2,2946450,2949039,'Dr. Vasavi','A matter of shame for a man to be found carrying water.'),(17744,2,2949039,2949729,'Dr. Vasavi','Its a woman\'s task.'),(17745,2,2949729,2952076,'Dr. Vasavi','So you\'ve said, \"you\'ll, be using the water.'),(17746,2,2952076,2952630,'Dr. Vasavi','Why should you not go and get it?'),(17747,2,2952630,2955670,'Dr. Vasavi','Why do you see your sisters, your mother carry water?\"'),(17748,2,2956210,2957950,'Dr. Vasavi','So many boys now carry water.'),(17749,2,2958630,2962364,'Dr. Vasavi','Some of them have told us how their friends laugh at their first time trip.'),(17750,2,2962420,2965740,'Dr. Vasavi','And, but then they get used to it.'),(17751,2,2965740,2981549,'Dr. Vasavi','So really challenging systems, really big struggles have been at the level of the field of doing organic agriculture, trying to get back to systems, for more sustainable systems, et cetera.'),(17752,2,2981789,2999789,'Dr. Vasavi','So bringing about that transformation at the individual level itself, not really waiting for big macro changes to happen, but our thing is that for the big macro changes to happen you need persons, you need people to also to have an understanding, to become those agencies of transformation.'),(17753,2,3000240,3000450,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17754,2,3000969,3001219,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17755,2,3001490,3002380,'Gayithri','No, that\'s phenomenal.'),(17756,2,3002780,3011520,'Gayithri','And before we continue, I know we are just halfway through, is it okay if we extended our conversation for about another 30 minutes or so?'),(17757,2,3011910,3012200,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17758,2,3012380,3012960,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, sure.'),(17759,2,3012990,3014399,'Dr. Vasavi','I hope my internet holds.'),(17760,2,3014399,3025130,'Gayithri','If you prefer, we can also we can stop our videos if it gets there, although I would love to see you as long as possible.'),(17761,2,3025480,3025850,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17762,2,3025850,3026160,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17763,2,3026470,3027370,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ll continue.'),(17764,2,3027470,3027709,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17765,2,3027790,3028800,'Gayithri','Yeah, thank you so much.'),(17766,2,3028800,3029290,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(17767,2,3029730,3033990,'Gayithri','So yeah, no, it has been definitely phenomenal listening to you.'),(17768,2,3033990,3043379,'Gayithri','So what have been some of the key takeaways from your program now that you\'ve run it for these many years, you\'ve actually faced a lot of challenges.'),(17769,2,3043589,3044519,'Gayithri','It\'s not been easy.'),(17770,2,3044519,3056660,'Gayithri','You\'re still constantly battling with the ongoing understanding of what it means to live a life and what is it to do so sustainably.'),(17771,2,3056660,3064649,'Gayithri','As you\'re battling all these and trying to move towards social transformation, what have been some of the key takeaways for you?'),(17772,2,3065600,3096679,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, the key learnings for us has been one really big one, which we were not prepared for is the extent to which an alternative program like ours, which is really positioning itself against the mainstream and the limitations of the mainstream, is to also start with the process of unlearning because the mainstream education system has imprinted them in so significant a way that what transactions, learning transactions we engage with is not received at all.'),(17773,2,3097489,3098950,'Dr. Vasavi','It kind of bounces back.'),(17774,2,3098950,3099340,'Dr. Vasavi','So what is that process of unlearning?'),(17775,2,3099400,3106790,'Dr. Vasavi','So that was something we really had to work on, especially from the second batch onwards.'),(17776,2,3106790,3112080,'Dr. Vasavi','To cite things that they knew and then say, \"okay, we think it that\'s really not true.'),(17777,2,3112120,3114419,'Dr. Vasavi','That\'s not right or true or relevant.\"'),(17778,2,3114900,3116600,'Dr. Vasavi','And then think differently.'),(17779,2,3117170,3120720,'Dr. Vasavi','So for example, even things, that you read only for an examination.'),(17780,2,3121510,3123330,'Dr. Vasavi','But you are not reading for yourself.'),(17781,2,3123510,3136349,'Dr. Vasavi','So unlearning was something very, very, very important for us that they had to undergo.'),(17782,2,3136349,3142099,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, unlearning their own behavior, excessive differential behavior in front of us.'),(17783,2,3142099,3147819,'Dr. Vasavi','Excessive exclusion, with gender exclusion, the boys not sitting next to girls or girls not sitting next to boys.'),(17784,2,3148469,3162140,'Dr. Vasavi','So, unlearning what practices you had and the kind of habitus you came with to become something new, to inculcate a new habitus for something that we had to work on.'),(17785,2,3162969,3179420,'Dr. Vasavi','The other big learning was that the students needed, as I mentioned very briefly, we found that the cost, which we did over by the four and a half months to five months, about 60 days stretched over all these many months, was very inadequate.'),(17786,2,3180410,3188759,'Dr. Vasavi','So for that learning to sustain and to really become part of their lives, we had to mentor them for much, much longer times.'),(17787,2,3191250,3192770,'Dr. Vasavi','So how would that mentoring be?'),(17788,2,3192950,3207290,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, after the first thing, we started having alumni meet once a month, they would come discuss, share, they enjoyed meeting each other where they sing a few songs, they do little thing and do fun things, but also read, think of ideas etc and go.'),(17789,2,3207430,3209930,'Dr. Vasavi','Even then we found it very, very inadequate.'),(17790,2,3210480,3215230,'Dr. Vasavi','So we had to make subgroups, those who are doing agriculture, what would they need?'),(17791,2,3215520,3216790,'Dr. Vasavi','How would they share things?'),(17792,2,3217059,3222689,'Dr. Vasavi','Or the girls who are now married, what would they do?'),(17793,2,3222779,3225930,'Dr. Vasavi','Or the girls who are doing little bit of tailoring or some other thing, or the girls who wanted to be like, anything.'),(17794,2,3225950,3227559,'Dr. Vasavi','So subgroups were formed.'),(17795,2,3227559,3243939,'Dr. Vasavi','But constant mentoring and handholding, also a lot of counseling, we found, for example, some of the girls after the course, because the course suddenly had enabled them to be free, to see what they want..'),(17796,2,3243939,3244303,'Gayithri','Liberating.'),(17797,2,3244303,3245620,'Dr. Vasavi','Liberating, yeah.'),(17798,2,3246190,3250605,'Dr. Vasavi','To learn, to sing, some of them started dancing, they would do a little bit.'),(17799,2,3250605,3254360,'Dr. Vasavi','Some even they got married and they were really under lock and key.'),(17800,2,3255030,3259119,'Dr. Vasavi','Some of them went to depression and we sensed it from just talking to them on the phone.'),(17801,2,3259119,3264180,'Dr. Vasavi','So we actually had to intervene, visit them, get counselors to visit them.'),(17802,2,3266240,3272150,'Dr. Vasavi','Some of them started feeling this tension of who do we choose between our families, Punarchith, and our bygroup.'),(17803,2,3272550,3274540,'Dr. Vasavi','So we told them, \"you have to choose your families.'),(17804,2,3274540,3275939,'Dr. Vasavi','You don\'t have to choose us.'),(17805,2,3276429,3280560,'Dr. Vasavi','You must choose your families, because that is really the long term.'),(17806,2,3280590,3286559,'Dr. Vasavi','But you have to learn slowly to negotiate with them, to get these ideas with them.\"'),(17807,2,3286559,3292720,'Dr. Vasavi','And where, if you actually it\'s the girls who really strategize better.'),(17808,2,3292750,3298230,'Dr. Vasavi','Someone who now joined us as a team, she went, she got married.'),(17809,2,3298230,3304074,'Dr. Vasavi','She even had two children and it was her mother-in-law who brought her back to us and said, okay, \"you can take her, employ her.'),(17810,2,3304074,3306570,'Dr. Vasavi','She can become part of your team and all that.\"'),(17811,2,3306570,3312877,'Dr. Vasavi','So, because she had worked on her mother-in-law so much saying, \"this is what they\'re doing.'),(17812,2,3312877,3313102,'Dr. Vasavi','This is where I should be.'),(17813,2,3313140,3316390,'Dr. Vasavi','I can do this for my children and we can do this in our house.\"'),(17814,2,3316390,3316490,'Dr. Vasavi','So somehow she convinced that lady, \"let\'s think differently\" stuff.'),(17815,2,3316500,3334020,'Dr. Vasavi','So, there have been moments when they disengage completely from us, which we don\'t mind, when they\'re these tensions, but slowly they can rework in that, but they should not have this burden of having to choose.'),(17816,2,3335490,3337790,'Dr. Vasavi','Between sections or options.'),(17817,2,3337800,3345515,'Dr. Vasavi','So the long-term scaffolding… this emotional scaffolding is something very, very important.'),(17818,2,3345515,3358210,'Dr. Vasavi','One, not only gender issues, but also many of them come from such a disadvantaged past groups where family histories are of long, long generations of abuse and exploitation.'),(17819,2,3358210,3364109,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, people who come from families that were in bonded labor for years, there\'s complete subservient to anyone outsiders they see..'),(17820,2,3364109,3364363,'Dr. Vasavi','to a larger system.'),(17821,2,3364363,3370060,'Dr. Vasavi','How do they really stand up for themselves?'),(17822,2,3370060,3379030,'Dr. Vasavi','Recognizing what are their rights as individuals, as human beings, as members of a democracy.'),(17823,2,3379590,3404510,'Dr. Vasavi','So that I think is something one needs to work on beyond the formal sessions, very, very, one to one, very much contextualized in their situation and long term, long prolonged years, some of them, you know, from our first batch in 2012 to now also we continue to talk to people to have [inaudible] , so that\'s been a huge thing.'),(17824,2,3404510,3404810,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(17825,2,3405110,3414970,'Gayithri','And anything else that you want to add about your program that we couldn\'t actually talk about or we couldn\'t touch upon before we move on to the next part of the questions?'),(17826,2,3415530,3415840,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(17827,2,3415840,3417743,'Dr. Vasavi','No, I think we\'ve covered it all.'),(17828,2,3417743,3418186,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(17829,2,3418629,3419009,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(17830,2,3420109,3432280,'Gayithri','So moving on to your personal journey, you as a person where you started and where you are now and what the journey was like, getting into a few of those kinds of questions and conversations.'),(17831,2,3433230,3448870,'Gayithri','So I\'m going to take you back, way back in the time period, back then what got you interested to actually be in academia when you chose to that?'),(17832,2,3449610,3451729,'Gayithri','What were some of the thoughts?'),(17833,2,3451730,3455149,'Gayithri','What were some of the things that got into that decision making process?'),(17834,2,3455209,3458090,'Gayithri','Why academia and what were your response back then?'),(17835,2,3458570,3469270,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, I don\'t come from an academic family and my parents had very little formal education.'),(17836,2,3469500,3484740,'Dr. Vasavi','They were very extremely erudite and very well read people in their own ways, very economically successful in their mid life, which accounts for the kind of very privileged education I had, being sent to a boarding school, right from the time I was seven, to a very expensive colleges, et cetera.'),(17837,2,3484740,3489410,'Dr. Vasavi','And I was a very average student.'),(17838,2,3490120,3508259,'Dr. Vasavi','I was not a good student or one of the toppers at all and I don\'t think I had, kind of a purely intellectual bent of mind, maybe it was only after my masters or so, that the world of ideas opened up to me.'),(17839,2,3509959,3512210,'Dr. Vasavi','But in the early years it was much more...'),(17840,2,3512220,3515670,'Dr. Vasavi','From a very formative years, I was very sure that I wanted to work.'),(17841,2,3518080,3525649,'Dr. Vasavi','I did not want to have a very conventional marriage, children kind of life, I wanted to work.'),(17842,2,3525649,3527359,'Dr. Vasavi','I wanted to be independent.'),(17843,2,3527529,3528840,'Dr. Vasavi','These were the concerns.'),(17844,2,3528990,3539213,'Dr. Vasavi','I knew what I did not want, but I wasn\'t sure of what I wanted in terms of, I don\'t want to be a lawyer, et cetera.'),(17845,2,3539213,3540583,'Dr. Vasavi','So my really...'),(17846,2,3541040,3562060,'Dr. Vasavi','Change thing came in, when I went to the Delhi School of Economics and not only the course was very good, very well designed, very well developed over the years, but the friends in the hostel and in the school also, were just phenomenal.'),(17847,2,3562450,3566820,'Dr. Vasavi','They came from much more sort of the urban elite backgrounds, but they\'d been exposed.'),(17848,2,3567490,3571734,'Dr. Vasavi','It was in the 80s in which many of them had come out from the 70s movements.'),(17849,2,3571734,3573700,'Dr. Vasavi','They were very well read.'),(17850,2,3573860,3577310,'Dr. Vasavi','They were activists.'),(17851,2,3577310,3583849,'Dr. Vasavi','They were politically very astute, very politically aware.'),(17852,2,3584089,3598889,'Dr. Vasavi','So it was from them that I learned the need to kind of question my own background, the kind of privileges I had, especially both my class position and my caste position.'),(17853,2,3600099,3605299,'Dr. Vasavi','And it was from there and academia, I kind of entered to...'),(17854,2,3605299,3609540,'Dr. Vasavi','I kind of just slipped into it as, \"okay, now, what shall I do?'),(17855,2,3609570,3611009,'Dr. Vasavi','This is the only thing that I know.\"'),(17856,2,3613149,3622100,'Dr. Vasavi','It was formal education teaching or… Reading books or things, but it wasn\'t about chasing an idea or even a discipline.'),(17857,2,3622820,3629530,'Dr. Vasavi','I had gotten into sociology because that just seemed interesting, that time that was available then of course it was.'),(17858,2,3629570,3634110,'Dr. Vasavi','And in the US, the sociology became social anthropology.'),(17859,2,3634230,3643939,'Dr. Vasavi','But to seek a life of ideas was really at much more, at the doctoral level.'),(17860,2,3643939,3655570,'Dr. Vasavi','I think that I already started reading much more, thinking much more, but this was something to go beyond a career, that kind of set in when I was doing my doctorate.'),(17861,2,3657220,3657480,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(17862,2,3657960,3659690,'Gayithri','And then what happened?'),(17863,2,3660230,3662790,'Gayithri','You did your doctoral and what happened?'),(17864,2,3663250,3679440,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, I came back to India, 93, 94, just when the whole liberalism [economic] was starting and a lot of debates, et cetera, and institutions were really in a huge crisis.'),(17865,2,3679510,3689610,'Dr. Vasavi','Many of the known institutions, well, facing funding problems, it was very difficult to get jobs, et cetera.'),(17866,2,3689610,3700330,'Dr. Vasavi','And so there were very few private institutions, I joined the National Institute of Advanced Studies at the invitation of Professor MN Srinivas, and I stayed on there for 14 years.'),(17867,2,3700330,3708519,'Dr. Vasavi','I learned a lot there, in terms of institutions, but it was a difficult place to be.'),(17868,2,3708619,3713149,'Dr. Vasavi','Because it was primarily an institution that was set up by a nuclear physicist.'),(17869,2,3713570,3720639,'Dr. Vasavi','The key people were all men, very successful, national level kind of people, who would come there in the post retirement phase.'),(17870,2,3720879,3728440,'Dr. Vasavi','There were some of us, 30s, starting our careers and social science people were really very marginal.'),(17871,2,3728440,3731009,'Dr. Vasavi','Social science as a discipline, as a subject, was marginal.'),(17872,2,3731260,3735584,'Dr. Vasavi','The really big ones nuclear physics, material studies.'),(17873,2,3735584,3741735,'Dr. Vasavi','And we were meant to be handmaidens to troubleshoot the problems of the nation.'),(17874,2,3741780,3742759,'Dr. Vasavi','That\'s how we get treated.'),(17875,2,3742930,3747950,'Dr. Vasavi','And we negotiated constantly for your voice, to do what you wanted, et cetera.'),(17876,2,3747960,3753900,'Dr. Vasavi','So it was very disheartening and very difficult things to...'),(17877,2,3755370,3755710,'Gayithri','Navigate.'),(17878,2,3755710,3756300,'Dr. Vasavi','To strategize.'),(17879,2,3756650,3761560,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah, to navigate and the doctoral program started much later.'),(17880,2,3761560,3762339,'Dr. Vasavi','It was interesting.'),(17881,2,3762339,3771330,'Dr. Vasavi','They were very good students, and apart there was always a [need] of having to go out, get your funding, do projects.'),(17882,2,3771330,3785380,'Dr. Vasavi','So these project modes were very disturbing, because you put so much time and effort, but by the time you could publish or write it up and then publish it, you are already on another project.'),(17883,2,3785380,3789320,'Dr. Vasavi','So, it was like project to publish, but really very little time to reflectively think.'),(17884,2,3789320,3814950,'Dr. Vasavi','I was also really very, started to get very disillusioned with academia because I found that when you wanted to publish a thing, there were always these dominant hegemonic theories that were all that, that they imposed on you, that if you wanted to publish in certain magazine or journals, you had to tow that kind of school that they endorsed.'),(17885,2,3815400,3821490,'Dr. Vasavi','I did not see much where autonomy or scope for creativity of new ideas at all.'),(17886,2,3821610,3825499,'Dr. Vasavi','And just the whole process seemed to be very laborious.'),(17887,2,3825810,3830593,'Dr. Vasavi','So I was really not so interested in publishing et cetera.'),(17888,2,3830593,3837319,'Dr. Vasavi','Whatever publishing I did was something that just came easily, I did not labor over all of it too much.'),(17889,2,3839519,3849019,'Dr. Vasavi','The other thing was also, I think for how you felt the onus of what we saw on the field versus the kind of lives one had.'),(17890,2,3849700,3859800,'Dr. Vasavi','I was also itching towards just trying to address, as I said, all these problems we saw on the ground about agriculture versus ambience, trying to meld them together.'),(17891,2,3860590,3869659,'Dr. Vasavi','So I just felt okay, I\'ve had academia, but academia has a life of ideas, it\'s something I can always carry with me.'),(17892,2,3869659,3870350,'Dr. Vasavi','I don\'t need a formal institution, I don\'t need to be bound by a salaried position to do what I want.'),(17893,2,3870350,3890352,'Dr. Vasavi','So I would just brave it out and just work out of these kind of formal institutional structures and see what could be done.'),(17894,2,3890352,3897219,'Dr. Vasavi','And I\'m very pleased to say that it actually worked, I feel that my abilities to think out of these established frameworks improved because I had the freedom.'),(17895,2,3897599,3901929,'Dr. Vasavi','I didn\'t have to constantly be on this treadmill of project, money, publish.'),(17896,2,3902650,3903912,'Dr. Vasavi','Go for meetings, all this.'),(17897,2,3903912,3907720,'Dr. Vasavi','It was a much smaller group, we were looking at issues that were happening all around us.'),(17898,2,3909590,3914680,'Dr. Vasavi','We didn\'t have to fit within the theories, we had our own voices.'),(17899,2,3915440,3920020,'Dr. Vasavi','It could be broadened experiences and the lives we saw around us.'),(17900,2,3920280,3927546,'Dr. Vasavi','So a range of studies came out from this by just being in the field constantly.'),(17901,2,3927546,3928860,'Dr. Vasavi','And also I also moved there.'),(17902,2,3929300,3933680,'Dr. Vasavi','So I\'ve been living in the village full time, returning to the city only occasionally.'),(17903,2,3934460,3942870,'Dr. Vasavi','And also started learning from both my colleagues who were there who were working there, but also from the people, from the students, from the families et cetera.'),(17904,2,3943600,3945394,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, I have recently been trying to see the household as a very, very important site.'),(17905,2,3945394,3957669,'Dr. Vasavi','Not only as a family but the household and the household dynamics, Which has been studied, but I feel not adequately enough.'),(17906,2,3958240,3964059,'Dr. Vasavi','That really is now the microcosm of all the complexities and the contradictions of India.'),(17907,2,3964770,3970100,'Dr. Vasavi','And those burdens we see and those battles are being fought within these walls.'),(17908,2,3970760,3982443,'Dr. Vasavi','Also I think that is something that I\'ve come to only because I\'m there maybe to watch it but to participate in so often.'),(17909,2,3982443,3982842,'Dr. Vasavi','So I\'m glad I left the citadel of academia in this.'),(17910,2,3982842,3993190,'Dr. Vasavi','But the ideas, the life of ideas has been there and I think it\'s all been facilitated by new kinds of technologies, for example being able to talk to you...'),(17911,2,3993580,3998130,'Dr. Vasavi','have many webinars, meet students, we have lectures online now.'),(17912,2,3998759,4000710,'Dr. Vasavi','So, I think we\'ve been very fortunate.'),(17913,2,4001850,4001870,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17914,2,4002490,4016790,'Gayithri','Maybe one question I had as an aspiring scholar scholar, not in the sense of somebody who will sit in the ivory tower of institutions, but somebody who aspires to make these differences.'),(17915,2,4016890,4023340,'Gayithri','You mentioned that publishing and running behind that whole thing was kind of like limiting you.'),(17916,2,4023910,4040310,'Gayithri','So, and I know you kind of moved out of that, but what would be your alternate, what is that other alternate reality that you kind of hope to see in academia or what you actually left academia for?'),(17917,2,4043059,4047089,'Gayithri','If not publishing, if not being limited in those frameworks.'),(17918,2,4047479,4055526,'Dr. Vasavi','You need to publish, but you don\'t need to publish to make it as a part of your CV.'),(17919,2,4055526,4060649,'Dr. Vasavi','You need to publish because you have something to share and something to say.'),(17920,2,4060649,4062099,'Dr. Vasavi','You say that is substantial.'),(17921,2,4062540,4066610,'Dr. Vasavi','So you need to also, for example, I publish much more on popular media now.'),(17922,2,4066610,4072680,'Dr. Vasavi','I mean, it\'s newspapers, Kannada newspapers or online, English magazines, things like that.'),(17923,2,4073080,4074377,'Dr. Vasavi','Which I was not able to do earlier.'),(17924,2,4074377,4075953,'Dr. Vasavi','So you need to, I want to keep the importance of publishing.'),(17925,2,4075953,4082229,'Dr. Vasavi','But where you do it, how you do it also is important.'),(17926,2,4085590,4102809,'Dr. Vasavi','But I think academia then, for example I mean just to answer to what you had asked me to list out as things, what kinds of transformation should we see at the educational institutions or researches.'),(17927,2,4102809,4109320,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, against the new educational policy that\'s been promoted since last year now, already being implemented.'),(17928,2,4109930,4114790,'Dr. Vasavi','Of course they do say mother tongue education is important, so that\'s one thing positive you need to pick up on.'),(17929,2,4115590,4124250,'Dr. Vasavi','But for most scholars to also become multilingual, because that\'s one of the ways in which we can address the divides we have.'),(17930,2,4125020,4129200,'Dr. Vasavi','I constantly, I myself was schooled in Kannada.'),(17931,2,4129400,4133479,'Dr. Vasavi','I was schooled into the, you know, the Delhi ICSE is what I did.'),(17932,2,4133779,4135944,'Dr. Vasavi','I did Hindi, although Kannada was my mother tongue.'),(17933,2,4135944,4139549,'Dr. Vasavi','And it was much later when I was thinking that I said, no, this is my mother tongue.'),(17934,2,4139580,4144389,'Dr. Vasavi','I should read it and write it and I forced myself, I could choose things, I took courses.'),(17935,2,4144389,4149026,'Dr. Vasavi','But now I constantly meet people who are very proud, they say, oh I don\'t know the language.'),(17936,2,4149026,4160002,'Dr. Vasavi','I want to give you an example now during the COVID crisis where we do online support, we get people who are under home quarantine to talk to certain doctors who are very generously giving their time online.'),(17937,2,4160002,4167995,'Dr. Vasavi','And then I was just shocked that these are Bangladesh doctors, Kannada speakers, none of them can read and write Kannada.'),(17938,2,4168160,4175749,'Dr. Vasavi','So when these people type on their mobiles for WhatsApp, they\'re telling them--write it in Roman script, we cannot read Kannada.'),(17939,2,4178220,4181069,'Dr. Vasavi','And this I tell you is just an example of the divides.'),(17940,2,4181069,4190129,'Dr. Vasavi','We have other students who come who are speaking Kannada or other languages in their home, but they said we don\'t know these, we cannot read and write in these.'),(17941,2,4190129,4193080,'Dr. Vasavi','So they cannot speak formally, you know.'),(17942,2,4193700,4205020,'Dr. Vasavi','So unless this divide, this constantly we\'ve been dropping the Indian languages, in our right up from nursery, from elementary school.'),(17943,2,4205430,4211580,'Dr. Vasavi','Unless [inaudible] as both part of your cognitive development which is very good.'),(17944,2,4212150,4221300,'Dr. Vasavi','And then of course, you can pick English up from middle school, but I think so bilingual capacities or multilingual capacities which are very important.'),(17945,2,4221420,4223420,'Dr. Vasavi','Which older generation scholars had.'),(17946,2,4225139,4230829,'Dr. Vasavi','This is what the increasing growth of private schools which are primarily English medium has done.'),(17947,2,4230919,4236559,'Dr. Vasavi','So you have large numbers of people who don\'t know their mother tongue, they can\'t read and write in it.'),(17948,2,4236600,4241010,'Dr. Vasavi','They speak it, but they can\'t, they\'re not sufficiently good even in English.'),(17949,2,4241350,4243263,'Dr. Vasavi','In large numbers of students this is so.'),(17950,2,4243469,4245919,'Dr. Vasavi','So this language problem needs to be addressed.'),(17951,2,4246650,4249400,'Dr. Vasavi','Second, what is it that you study?'),(17952,2,4251190,4253840,'Dr. Vasavi','Researchers need to look at issues that are not fashionable.'),(17953,2,4253840,4261270,'Dr. Vasavi','Even now, I get proposals from the universities and associated be it the doctoral proposals or even Master\'s.'),(17954,2,4261730,4266039,'Dr. Vasavi','They just pick up an idea from some key theorist and maybe want to check it out.'),(17955,2,4266459,4271559,'Dr. Vasavi','But you forget to look at your vicinity, to look at your immediate surroundings to see what are those issues.'),(17956,2,4271560,4282516,'Dr. Vasavi','And there are hundreds of issues that are calling attention to, that need to be studied.'),(17957,2,4282516,4282610,'Dr. Vasavi','So that is one.'),(17958,2,4282610,4286910,'Dr. Vasavi','The third is, I think, a lot of time, this is something that I also faced, is the lack of an intellectual community in India.'),(17959,2,4287809,4294290,'Dr. Vasavi','There are large numbers of people who are [inaudible] , but they need a community of people to hand hold, to support each other.'),(17960,2,4295710,4297470,'Dr. Vasavi','In academia it’s missing.'),(17961,2,4298139,4306450,'Dr. Vasavi','Very, very few people support each other.'),(17962,2,4306450,4310330,'Dr. Vasavi','Build up a corpus of work together or pursue something over the long term et cetera.'),(17963,2,4310620,4314230,'Dr. Vasavi','You see very, very little collaborations taking place within India.'),(17964,2,4314230,4317780,'Dr. Vasavi','People will collaborate with international scholars et cetera, but not within.'),(17965,2,4318609,4319440,'Dr. Vasavi','So I would say that.'),(17966,2,4319469,4321629,'Dr. Vasavi','And finally, I think interdisciplinary.'),(17967,2,4322009,4324538,'Dr. Vasavi','Questioning this disciplinary bar, so boundaries and divides is very important.'),(17968,2,4324560,4331620,'Dr. Vasavi','More and more has to, because all knowledge need to be questioned.'),(17969,2,4331620,4341360,'Dr. Vasavi','One of the things I always talk about is, right now the way we brush our teeth to the way we use toilets are the kinds of toilets are being questioned.'),(17970,2,4341850,4349270,'Dr. Vasavi','So why not look at all knowledge systems and say it\'s not just sociology versus political science.'),(17971,2,4349559,4353789,'Dr. Vasavi','It has to be issue based, then bring in the others\' knowledge systems.'),(17972,2,4354899,4359759,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think multidisciplinary is very, very important.'),(17973,2,4359810,4360670,'Gayithri','Yeah, for sure.'),(17974,2,4362090,4382130,'Gayithri','And so, coming back to working, I know you mentioned earlier and even now when we were talking about language, it kind of felt like you were talking about how the current institutions, the current systems do not necessarily support the disadvantaged or the underserved communities as much.'),(17975,2,4382750,4400390,'Gayithri','So what would be some key ideas and issues that you think that needs to be redefined or rethought about for it to work for these marginalized, underserved, minoritized communities?'),(17976,2,4403239,4411509,'Dr. Vasavi','I would say it\'s in terms of the structural system, the Indian educational system that is highly differentiated needs to be challenged.'),(17977,2,4411990,4418390,'Dr. Vasavi','We cannot have such a differentiated system, which I\'ve elaborated on, some nine different types of schooling systems.'),(17978,2,4418740,4422690,'Dr. Vasavi','They really correlate, correspond to different classes.'),(17979,2,4423540,4431342,'Dr. Vasavi','So if not an absolute, one type of schooling system, you need somewhere where there is a commonality.'),(17980,2,4431342,4432480,'Dr. Vasavi','Where everybody\'s got to a platform and then check.'),(17981,2,4433259,4433570,'Dr. Vasavi','That is one.'),(17982,2,4433790,4439929,'Dr. Vasavi','Secondly I would say that expansion of the educational system on a mainstream mode.'),(17983,2,4440370,4441219,'Dr. Vasavi','A mass mode.'),(17984,2,4441639,4454402,'Dr. Vasavi','Without attention to quality has been devastating and just produces a huge pool of people who just really cannot fit into the mainstream economies of the system, nor can they fit into the existing societies and culture.'),(17985,2,4454402,4454650,'Dr. Vasavi','So that is something.'),(17986,2,4458440,4464289,'Dr. Vasavi','So that learning loss that is taking place at multiple levels needs to be questioned.'),(17987,2,4464299,4487110,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think there I would say that to address the issues for marginalized communities, it\'s very inadequate to have a formal system of reservations or systems in which the system is only formally accepted but within institutions disrespected and distorted in so many ways.'),(17988,2,4487380,4492450,'Dr. Vasavi','So there\'s a need to really review that in a very substantial way, to go beyond that.'),(17989,2,4492450,4499509,'Dr. Vasavi','To look at how inclusive education has to happen in a much more integral way.'),(17990,2,4499509,4504450,'Dr. Vasavi','It will be an endowment coming across people.'),(17991,2,4504539,4512010,'Dr. Vasavi','So for example, as part of the socio transformational learning I\'ve also talked about how the privileged also have to be part of socio transformational learning.'),(17992,2,4513240,4528330,'Dr. Vasavi','The privileged also have to take critical perspectives like we have done about the type of privileged backgrounds we\'ve had, kind of privileges we continue to have and therefore it places a huge onus on us to not only question it, you go beyond it.'),(17993,2,4529260,4541760,'Dr. Vasavi','So I would say that education for marginalized and disadvantaged communities needs to be both, structurally we need different systems, and content and orientation also it has to be very different.'),(17994,2,4542240,4544120,'Dr. Vasavi','Inclusion cannot be just reservation.'),(17995,2,4544120,4557627,'Dr. Vasavi','And also opportunities, kinds of education systems, a plurality of all the systems need to be endorsed and redone in a very significant way.'),(17996,2,4558390,4558590,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(17997,2,4558960,4560110,'Gayithri','So much of work to do.'),(17998,2,4563040,4580090,'Gayithri','So what theories or schools of thoughts or works have informed you or shaped your work as you have actually taken this journey, as you have done the work that you have been doing?'),(17999,2,4581679,4581699,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(18000,2,4584109,4601000,'Dr. Vasavi','Early years, when I read Ivan Illich, Deschooling Society, that is something that really struck me and later of course I read his work on medicine, on energy.'),(18001,2,4601420,4603769,'Dr. Vasavi','And more recently on the mediality.'),(18002,2,4603839,4609389,'Dr. Vasavi','And I think the whole concept of mediality is something that I really think much more.'),(18003,2,4609400,4616328,'Dr. Vasavi','I think that it\'s an alternative to this whole development paradigm we\'ve had, to the neoclassical economics that the societies are fit into.'),(18004,2,4616328,4616673,'Dr. Vasavi','So Ivan Illich has been very significant.'),(18005,2,4616673,4627280,'Dr. Vasavi','In India, I\'ve always been, not always, been kind of an admirer of Tagore.'),(18006,2,4627460,4640859,'Dr. Vasavi','Tagore\'s ideas of holistic education, I\'ve been a huge admirer of his writing and his, of course, his attempt in Shanti Niketan, which is really not a model anymore.'),(18007,2,4641089,4644280,'Dr. Vasavi','But you know the politics that has disrupted it.'),(18008,2,4644340,4649050,'Dr. Vasavi','But the idea is still something worth looking at and respecting.'),(18009,2,4649560,4666780,'Dr. Vasavi','More recently, I\'ve been very impressed with Ganesh Devi’s work, the linguist who has also worked with enough tribals where he has also talked about how our loss of languages has led to a collective amnesia where we\'ve forgotten our cultures, our identities.'),(18010,2,4667430,4678845,'Dr. Vasavi','Not only he makes a call back for it, it also talks about the end of critical consciousness, expansive, that learning really should be a way to expand our consciousness, therefore has forms of inclusion.'),(18011,2,4678845,4678920,'Dr. Vasavi','So Ganesh Devi’s work is something that I really do respect.'),(18012,2,4678920,4679110,'Dr. Vasavi','So these have been some of the seminal works I touch base on.'),(18013,2,4679110,4699130,'Dr. Vasavi','Of course, John Dewey and the others, several US writers are people I read.'),(18014,2,4699130,4709883,'Dr. Vasavi','But I think ideas are from Illich, which is going beyond learning, really questioning the other systems that exist around us.'),(18015,2,4710429,4712569,'Gayithri','Yeah, for sure.'),(18016,2,4712739,4723630,'Gayithri','And what do you envision the role of research and academia moving forward in education, moving forward thinking about education in India?'),(18017,2,4724120,4732560,'Gayithri','We mentioned and we discussed so many things that need to change, but how do you see academia playing a role in it?'),(18018,2,4734959,4734979,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(18019,2,4735360,4744179,'Dr. Vasavi','I think as I mentioned with the need for academia to have a new community, both a community and a collaborative responsibility.'),(18020,2,4744559,4748650,'Dr. Vasavi','Illich would describe it as, that needs to come on.'),(18021,2,4749009,4755670,'Dr. Vasavi','I think our current situation where there is a lot of censorship, there is a lot of fear.'),(18022,2,4756940,4760158,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, over the past two days we\'ve been getting messages of how WhatsApp is going to be monitored and the government is going to look at everything.'),(18023,2,4760158,4760179,'Dr. Vasavi','That\'s really a way to silence us, and I have said, okay, is this a way to silence us?'),(18024,2,4760179,4760185,'Dr. Vasavi','And that is not outrageous.'),(18025,2,4760185,4777630,'Dr. Vasavi','We are not all going to go off WhatsApp, let us continue to do what we should do, we want to do.'),(18026,2,4778470,4780813,'Dr. Vasavi','And say what we want to say.'),(18027,2,4780880,4801135,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think, under especially this situation of the growth of totalitarianism, of really authoritarianism, academics have a huge role to play and we all, each of us, as individuals and also members of our general disciplines in academias, institutions, really have to be at the forefront.'),(18028,2,4801135,4805370,'Dr. Vasavi','We have been too silent so far.'),(18029,2,4805370,4808976,'Dr. Vasavi','We\'ve been in the back seat too long.'),(18030,2,4808976,4809504,'Gayithri','Stepped aside, yeah.'),(18031,2,4809680,4810130,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(18032,2,4810610,4815386,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think courage, along with ideas and strategies, collaborating with others.'),(18033,2,4815386,4815405,'Dr. Vasavi','For example, supporting the farmer\'s movements.'),(18034,2,4815405,4824750,'Dr. Vasavi','Now, looking for alternatives to the huge ecological mess we are in.'),(18035,2,4825250,4825985,'Dr. Vasavi','Argue now, very importantly to have a good public health system which is what we\'re seeing with the whole COVID crisis is not a surprise.'),(18036,2,4825985,4826070,'Dr. Vasavi','It\'s not a collapse of the system, it\'s because those system existed, no public health system exists.'),(18037,2,4826070,4826085,'Dr. Vasavi','The privatized systems.'),(18038,2,4826090,4849089,'Dr. Vasavi','There are no decentralized democratic health systems available.'),(18039,2,4849650,4853709,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think these are issues which are not disciplinary based.'),(18040,2,4853979,4857259,'Dr. Vasavi','I cannot say, you know I\'m not a doctor, this is not an issue for me.'),(18041,2,4858070,4860360,'Dr. Vasavi','These are issues about democracy, about rights, about wellbeing.'),(18042,2,4860360,4862969,'Dr. Vasavi','All of us as academics have to engage and take stance, we can\'t hide under this, under all the threats that are being deployed that work against us.'),(18043,2,4866740,4884130,'Dr. Vasavi','So I think this is really the immediate challenge that we academics have to face.'),(18044,2,4884430,4884740,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(18045,2,4886770,4893449,'Gayithri','They do sound already very daunting, but at the same time, yeah, it also kind of feels very urgent.'),(18046,2,4895020,4906719,'Gayithri','Do you have any specific advice for young scholars or researchers who are not yet there, but who would want to be a part of this transformation in Indian context specifically?'),(18047,2,4908570,4908940,'Dr. Vasavi','Yeah.'),(18048,2,4911219,4914110,'Dr. Vasavi','I would say that they need to persist.'),(18049,2,4914110,4919970,'Dr. Vasavi','I\'ve seen people who just say okay, academia is now so hollow and we just become activists.'),(18050,2,4921580,4925400,'Dr. Vasavi','They don\'t seem to, at least there\'s no recognition maybe because they\'re younger.'),(18051,2,4925400,4931337,'Dr. Vasavi','You need good academia, good knowledge systems to also influence or direct your actions.'),(18052,2,4931337,4934930,'Dr. Vasavi','So you have to have your eggs in both worlds.'),(18053,2,4934940,4937620,'Dr. Vasavi','That is very important, they need to do that.'),(18054,2,4938120,4942319,'Dr. Vasavi','Or there are some people who actually just abandon everything and go away.'),(18055,2,4942319,4942399,'Dr. Vasavi','Literally going [inaudible] . That is not something advisable.'),(18056,2,4942399,4961705,'Dr. Vasavi','Secondly is for them to really be ready to face the challenges at the moment, but to understand that leading an engaged and meaningful life is much better than being trapped in certain kind of [inaudible] of privilege that many, many upper class people have in India.'),(18057,2,4961705,4975880,'Dr. Vasavi','And I know that there is great satisfaction that lies after we meet these challenges.'),(18058,2,4980090,4982320,'Dr. Vasavi','To persist, it\'s not an easy game.'),(18059,2,4982740,4987259,'Dr. Vasavi','Persistence is required in these kinds of situations.'),(18060,2,4987849,4990500,'Dr. Vasavi','But they should also know that there is a community out there.'),(18061,2,4990530,4994460,'Dr. Vasavi','Nobody needs to feel alone and abandoned.'),(18062,2,4995540,4997809,'Dr. Vasavi','There is a community, you just need to reach out.'),(18063,2,4997809,5002360,'Dr. Vasavi','Really there is a very, very active civil society in India.'),(18064,2,5004350,5006529,'Dr. Vasavi','Extremely engaged, committed, driven.'),(18065,2,5007330,5012950,'Dr. Vasavi','You just need to reach out and they will be there for you.'),(18066,2,5012950,5014222,'Dr. Vasavi','And to know that it\'s only a lonely journey if not.'),(18067,2,5014222,5021339,'Dr. Vasavi','It will be hard at times, but most very satisfying, meaningful, but people will be there with you.'),(18068,2,5021639,5023410,'Gayithri','Thank you, that was very reassuring.'),(18069,2,5025360,5030320,'Gayithri','Anything else that we didn\'t touch upon that you want to?'),(18070,2,5030410,5032120,'Dr. Vasavi','Not that I can think of.'),(18071,2,5032290,5032483,'Dr. Vasavi','No I think we\'ve covered good ground.'),(18072,2,5032483,5032510,'Dr. Vasavi','I can see my internet already still going on the blink.'),(18509,9,130470,136510,'Anar Parikh','Thank you so much for having me and thinking of me to be a part of this research and this conversation.'),(18510,9,136510,166390,'Anar Parikh','My name is Anar Parikh and I am a PhD candidate in the Department of Anthropology at Brown University.'),(18511,9,168500,177809,'Anar Parikh','And also a graduate fellow at the Swearer Center for Public Service at Brown, where I also do work on community-engaged scholarship.'),(18512,9,177809,180469,'Anar Parikh','So that\'s the...'),(18513,9,180980,181459,'Suraj','Super.'),(18514,9,183780,188500,'Suraj','So maybe now you can just tell us a little bit about your dissertation and what you\'ve been up to.'),(18515,9,189040,191660,'Suraj','Whatever the elevator pitch or whatever you want to say about it.'),(18516,9,192059,193019,'Suraj','An overview is great.'),(18517,9,193630,194030,'Anar Parikh','Sure.'),(18518,9,195210,240520,'Anar Parikh','So my dissertation, which I have tentatively titled, getting out the vote in South Asian Chicago immigrant political belonging in the United States is an ethnographic study of South Asian political participation and civic engagement in the United States and is based on 15 months of ethnographic research in Chicago and the surrounding area, but mostly the city of Chicago with South Asian American, Asian American, and immigrant community organizers, civic organizations, and youth and political leaders in the cities.'),(18519,9,242720,251190,'Anar Parikh','What I\'m interested in is basically, what does it mean to be South Asian American and politically engaged in the US?'),(18520,9,251240,274400,'Anar Parikh','And as an anthropologist, I actually was specifically interested in electoral or formal political participation to an extent because my discipline is particularly interested in all of the ways that people informally assert their right to belong or claim rights outside of the context of citizenship.'),(18521,9,274730,289580,'Anar Parikh','And for good reason, because citizenship is in itself based on exclusion or who is included as a citizen is based on who is not eligible or acknowledged as citizens.'),(18522,9,290080,306940,'Anar Parikh','At the same time I still see this space of the electoral sphere or the ways that people want to assert their sense of belonging in, within the realm of what it is counted as a citizen as interesting.'),(18523,9,309130,325420,'Anar Parikh','And about how they see those modes of participation as ways to assert belonging or claim a place for themselves in the context of migration, diaspora and ethnoracial or marginalization.'),(18524,9,325440,330800,'Anar Parikh','So that\'s what my dissertation is on.'),(18525,9,334730,350020,'Anar Parikh','That\'s sort of what I started with, but in the process, I\'ve just really been trying to think further through that dichotomy between what it means to belong as a citizen, within a concept that inherently is exclusionary.'),(18526,9,350440,358820,'Anar Parikh','And also the ways that people assert themselves in those spaces are still meaningful.'),(18527,9,359470,368220,'Anar Parikh','Additionally, how to think about being South Asian American or being brown in the US as a racialized experience.'),(18528,9,370750,393159,'Anar Parikh','And also one that is really complicated in terms of anti-blackness in terms of caste patriarchy and it\'s very much anthropological but also a very personal way to grapple with questions that I have been thinking about in terms of my own experience.'),(18529,9,393929,394259,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18530,9,394260,397780,'Suraj','And I\'m hoping we can really get into the weeds with some of those things.'),(18531,9,400230,406710,'Suraj','Am I right to say that you were working as, at a nonprofit or something?'),(18532,9,406710,410040,'Suraj','Like this as part of a field work associated with this project.'),(18533,9,413540,413570,'Anar Parikh','Yes.'),(18534,9,413570,418350,'Anar Parikh','I think the parts of it are somewhat part for the course for ethnographic research.'),(18535,9,418370,443139,'Anar Parikh','But when I arrived in Chicago, I started by volunteering at or interning at a statewide immigrant rights coalition for the first four months that I was there and also volunteering at South Asian direct service agency in neighborhoods called Westridge or Devon for those who are familiar with Chicago.'),(18536,9,443139,446659,'Anar Parikh','And Chicago\'s South Asian landscape in particular.'),(18537,9,447650,466420,'Anar Parikh','And then during the course of the time that I was interning at one organization and volunteering at one of its member organizations, a position for civic engagement coordinator opened up for the 2018 congressional and Illinois gubernatorial election.'),(18538,9,466420,483890,'Anar Parikh','From February 2018 to November 2018, I was also the civic engagement coordinator at Indo American Center, which mostly involved coordinating the, Get Out The Vote campaign for the center.'),(18539,9,485070,491570,'Anar Parikh','Which included voter registration, phone banking and canvassing to encourage people in the area to vote.'),(18540,9,491690,494360,'Anar Parikh','And then some voter education stuff.'),(18541,9,494360,495809,'Anar Parikh','So I was doing that.'),(18542,9,495809,515129,'Anar Parikh','And then through being in that position, also sometimes I would service ISCs, like representative for broader coalition meetings with other immigrant rights, organizations or Asian American immigrant organizations in the area.'),(18543,9,516490,517020,'Suraj','Cool.'),(18544,9,517059,518200,'Suraj','Well, thank you for that.'),(18545,9,518210,523599,'Suraj','That gives us a sense of what the empirical basis of some of your thinking has been.'),(18546,9,524630,532780,'Suraj','So before we go any farther, I think it would be really productive to hear you talk us through some of the language that you used to describe the diaspora.'),(18547,9,532780,536310,'Suraj','So that we can think about the vocabulary that you\'re using and why.'),(18548,9,536310,548539,'Suraj','So for example, I think people used to, and some communities still like the term DC, others like Indian American, others like Indian, and increasingly I\'ve seen South Asian and South Asian diaspora used.'),(18549,9,548550,552150,'Suraj','So I\'m curious about what kinds of terminologies you\'re using now and why.'),(18550,9,552420,555290,'Suraj','With the acknowledgement and caveat of course, that language is always shifting.'),(18551,9,555390,555450,'Anar Parikh','Totally.'),(18552,9,555780,556079,'Anar Parikh','Yeah.'),(18553,9,559910,568990,'Anar Parikh','I think that for myself, I most often am drawn to use South Asian American to identify myself.'),(18554,9,569069,579200,'Anar Parikh','And part of that is certainly because the history of South Asian...'),(18555,9,586430,607629,'Anar Parikh','A kind of brief overview of where that term comes from, is that it is one that is like a product of South Asian American organizing to emulate or look to Asian American organizing from the 60s and 70s as a way to build coalitions across national boundaries.'),(18556,9,607630,613589,'Anar Parikh','And that happened for South Asian Americans during the 1980s and 1990s.'),(18557,9,614179,631329,'Anar Parikh','And to undo some of the ways that we\'ve drawn internal differences between who is Indian and who is Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan or Nepali or...'),(18558,9,631620,641399,'Anar Parikh','Those national differences to acknowledge our shared histories of colonial violence, as well as experiences of racialization in the United States.'),(18559,9,641809,643990,'Anar Parikh','So I come at it from that perspective.'),(18560,9,645189,662949,'Anar Parikh','And to like really be intentional about not wanting to reinforce what some might say is like Indian hegemony in the diaspora.'),(18561,9,663000,670980,'Anar Parikh','At the same time I am Indian American and my family is Gujarati and Hindu.'),(18562,9,670980,695089,'Anar Parikh','So in that sense, I think what I have been trying to learn and really think through, and is an ongoing and complicated thing for me is, within that diaspora, I do come from a set of particular positions and that by calling myself South Asian American, there is...'),(18563,9,696630,709030,'Anar Parikh','For those of us who do come from particular positions of privilege within the South Asian diaspora, that we could very easily erase the experiences of those whose experiences are different than ours.'),(18564,9,709030,713299,'Anar Parikh','That is like something that I\'m trying to work through.'),(18565,9,713300,724790,'Anar Parikh','And I haven\'t fully figured out what reflects my alignments but also acknowledges the ways in which I have that privilege.'),(18566,9,724930,741500,'Anar Parikh','So for me, not just that language is shifting, but that identities are multiple and that we\'re constantly negotiating a variety of questions in thinking about our identity at various point in time.'),(18567,9,741500,756580,'Anar Parikh','And this is actually something that is at the core of the dissertation project, is using these civic and political spaces to understand these category or to understand or break down these categories.'),(18568,9,756580,778189,'Anar Parikh','And one of the ways that scholars have thought about that and Prema Kurien, who\'s a sociologist in particular has written about how South Asian American is an ethnic identity that emerges out of US multiculturalism.'),(18569,9,778790,788040,'Anar Parikh','And that it is a strategy for coalition building that is legible in us multiculturalism.'),(18570,9,789100,794219,'Anar Parikh','But that it is obviously complicated by a variety of things.'),(18571,9,794219,796959,'Anar Parikh','And I think that that is true.'),(18572,9,797340,798920,'Anar Parikh','I think that that is definitely a feature of it.'),(18573,9,798930,802519,'Anar Parikh','So the other part of South Asian being that it\'s imposed by...'),(18574,9,803640,810449,'Anar Parikh','It\'s a way that we are marked as other by the white mainstream society.'),(18575,9,810650,826039,'Anar Parikh','I guess that I\'m also thinking through the various ways that people invoke the term in certain contexts, not just that, this term is an identity that is forged out of multiculturalism, I think it\'s used strategically and not used strategically in different contexts.'),(18576,9,826039,832130,'Anar Parikh','So that is something that I\'m thinking through the dissertation as well.'),(18577,9,832689,832939,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18578,9,832939,835520,'Suraj','I really appreciate all of the complexity you brought to that.'),(18579,9,837310,856550,'Suraj','I hadn\'t realized that it was actually, so I\'m not like brand new in our kind of discourse, but I think these kinds of solidarity-making aggregate identities are, like you said, strategically useful in some context.'),(18580,9,856830,873970,'Suraj','Obviously it sounds like the organization you were working with saw a kind of political solidarity among the people who might identify with this term, whereas it also has this flattening effect that takes place in the US, where racial othering takes place through a homogenizing process.'),(18581,9,874470,884130,'Suraj','Like for myself, I would identify as Sindhi, Hindu and my family left Sindh right before partition during partition.'),(18582,9,884130,888310,'Suraj','And my parents grew up in Hong Kong and Singapore and I grew up in the US.'),(18583,9,888310,902570,'Suraj','And so sometimes I feel that South Asian is the right term for me, just because I don\'t necessarily feel like the Indian state is the right kind of lens or a way I would describe myself, or I might describe myself as Sindhi or Sindhi American.'),(18584,9,902840,911759,'Suraj','But naturally, you can only describe yourself as Sindhi American if you\'re talking to a certain kind of person cause that\'s a completely illegible way to talk about yourself.'),(18585,9,911759,933869,'Suraj','And so I see the South Asian term as both inclusive or expansive, but also kind of acknowledging the semi-arbitrariness or the intentional illegibility of the national borders as they stand.'),(18586,9,934560,945859,'Anar Parikh','And just to be clear, the organizations, the groups that I was working with or people that I was talking to, I think that it was also very much unresolved in the...'),(18587,9,950389,953389,'Anar Parikh','It was very much unresolved in those spaces as well.'),(18588,9,955579,966639,'Anar Parikh','Because some organizations use like Indo American or like South Asian American versus Asian American and I would also say that it doesn\'t even necessarily...'),(18589,9,968459,977270,'Anar Parikh','At least at an institutional level, which I think is slightly different than the way that individual people adopt particular identities.'),(18590,9,981159,986409,'Anar Parikh','It didn\'t always map on, in the way that you would expect given a particular term or that like...'),(18591,9,989179,997609,'Anar Parikh','I think that there are different reasons why people would pick those particular names and it was not always like mapped onto a particular politics or non politics.'),(18592,9,998009,1002909,'Anar Parikh','And it\'s still also confusing and I definitely wouldn\'t.'),(18593,9,1002949,1006589,'Anar Parikh','I\'m not sure how I...'),(18594,9,1006799,1018129,'Anar Parikh','Well, what I\'m mostly thinking through is how it\'s invoked, not necessarily as at the institutional level, how it\'s being used, if that makes sense.'),(18595,9,1018379,1018579,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18596,9,1018579,1024479,'Suraj','I think that does make sense as kind of an institutional tool or an organizing tool rather than an individual identifier.'),(18597,9,1026479,1026509,'Anar Parikh','Right.'),(18598,9,1026639,1027149,'Suraj','Great.'),(18599,9,1027509,1031109,'Suraj','I think I had another thing I wanted to say about...'),(18600,9,1031159,1039689,'Suraj','Oh, part of why I\'m excited to talk to you is because of course you\'ve been Tweeting and I feel like your Tweets are quite insightful and they get picked up by BuzzFeed.'),(18601,9,1040479,1046910,'Suraj','I really liked your tweets about the Indian Matchmaking show, which I never got around to watching, which is fine.'),(18602,9,1046919,1058929,'Suraj','But I feel like one of the things that we may or may not touch on in this conversation is this, what I\'ve been thinking about is this representative trap, particularly, of course, with the inauguration of vice president Harris.'),(18603,9,1059779,1060869,'Suraj','All time high.'),(18604,9,1061120,1068970,'Suraj','But I think one problem that we\'ve had in the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective is that we\'ve been branding ourselves as this South Asian collective.'),(18605,9,1069229,1071280,'Suraj','But of course, we in practice have...'),(18606,9,1071319,1075689,'Suraj','Well, maybe not of course, but in practice we\'ve been predominantly Indian, predominantly Hindu.'),(18607,9,1075689,1092840,'Suraj','And now there\'s this tension, one of the tensions that you had sort of named where, we maybe feel like it\'s not the right term to use because it\'s not accurate and even though we think it\'s inclusive, if in practice, is it inappropriate to name ourselves that.'),(18608,9,1093340,1096540,'Suraj','I think that\'s probably enough juggling with that term.'),(18609,9,1096540,1098530,'Suraj','So for the rest of the interview let\'s use that-'),(18610,9,1098530,1098899,'Anar Parikh','Totally.'),(18611,9,1098899,1099384,'Suraj','diaspora.'),(18612,9,1099870,1105169,'Suraj','But I appreciate the complexity you\'ve brought to that because it is a challenge to find the right terms at the right time.'),(18613,9,1105179,1118899,'Suraj','So I guess the natural, next place to go would be, so what kind of motivated you to do this as your dissertation project or to in general, engage with the South Asian community in research?'),(18614,9,1119330,1133689,'Anar Parikh','Yeah, so I have been doing ethnographic researcher, like in anthropological ethnographic research since I was an undergrad in college.'),(18615,9,1133689,1157850,'Anar Parikh','So for about 10 years now, and originally when I started doing ethnographic research for my undergraduate thesis, which was required in my institution, I went to India and I did a undergraduate thesis on heritage preservation in urban India.'),(18616,9,1158860,1163699,'Anar Parikh','And then applied to graduate school and did master\'s research on a similar project.'),(18617,9,1164629,1180419,'Anar Parikh','And I did a couple of summer’s of research in Ahmedabad, where my family is from and where the city was a at the time striving for a UNESCO World Heritage city designation, which it has now received.'),(18618,9,1180790,1185649,'Anar Parikh','And I decided to shift projects right as that was happening.'),(18619,9,1185659,1197729,'Anar Parikh','But for a number of personal and political reasons, didn\'t want to continue doing that as my dissertation research.'),(18620,9,1198219,1209739,'Anar Parikh','Partly because the nature of the field work would have been primarily with people that I did not align with even a little bit politically.'),(18621,9,1209739,1212979,'Anar Parikh','It would\'ve been a very negative experience.'),(18622,9,1213429,1227800,'Anar Parikh','And I think for folks who do research in a situation that is primarily negative can be really hard.'),(18623,9,1228659,1241600,'Anar Parikh','And on a very personal level, I was spending the academic year in Rhode Island and winters in Rhode Island and then summers in Ahmedabad and basically had no time to be outside.'),(18624,9,1242060,1249720,'Anar Parikh','There was no time in that schedule to be outside because of winter seasonal disorder.'),(18625,9,1249720,1258209,NULL,'And then summer in India you basically cannot go outside between 10:00 AM.'),(18626,9,1258879,1260949,'Anar Parikh','So for those reasons.'),(18627,9,1261459,1282070,'Anar Parikh','And also because there were questions, all of that is to say that I also had questions in the US around, what I was reading about South Asians in the US and the way that South Asian political participation and engagements were being sort of described or talked about in public discourse.'),(18628,9,1282870,1285419,'Anar Parikh','Not very often but at times when they were.'),(18629,9,1286199,1294099,'Anar Parikh','And then what I observed in my own social networks about the way that people would talk about things.'),(18630,9,1294699,1313209,'Anar Parikh','And that\'s mostly to say that I thought that there was something that ethnography could offer in terms of complexifying or adding nuance to a discourse about like, well, this percentage of Indians in the US are Democrats, and this percentage are Republicans.'),(18631,9,1313219,1320399,'Anar Parikh','I was interested in really thinking about how people situate themselves and are situated in the US political landscape.'),(18632,9,1321120,1328049,'Anar Parikh','I\'m from North Carolina and Charlotte specifically, which is on the border of North and South Carolina.'),(18633,9,1328069,1340579,'Anar Parikh','So at the time in the mid 2010s both Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley were at the forefront of that discourse.'),(18634,9,1341889,1351350,'Anar Parikh','Basically the question was, whether or not the Indian American community or the South Asian American community aligned with Jindal and Haley\'s views or not.'),(18635,9,1351669,1353040,'Anar Parikh','That was the question.'),(18636,9,1353460,1370829,'Anar Parikh','And I wanted to parse something out that was not as bifurcated as Republican or Democrat.'),(18637,9,1370829,1372609,'Anar Parikh','And that has changed so much in the past.'),(18638,9,1372999,1409480,'Anar Parikh','Even between 2015, when I started doing this project and now, who we\'re talking about on the South Asian American, like in terms of South Asian American politics, is like, we also can talk about someone like from Pramila Jayapal or Raja Krishnamoorthi or Ro Khanna, or all of these other people, who even as Democrats really have a range of ways that they situate themselves among South Asian Americans or Indian Americans and the US racial landscape at large.'),(18639,9,1409480,1415049,'Anar Parikh','So there\'s been a huge shift from when I started doing this project to now.'),(18640,9,1415609,1416589,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18641,9,1417080,1424399,'Suraj','What you\'re saying is really resonating with me too, because one of the things that I think this project, well, maybe this project won\'t get there.'),(18642,9,1424520,1426340,'Suraj','I mean, our project, not your project is...'),(18643,9,1427350,1428020,'Anar Parikh','It might not either.'),(18644,9,1428100,1428740,'Anar Parikh','Mine won\'t either.'),(18645,9,1431040,1440340,'Suraj','Transnational politics because how people situate themselves relative to South Asia or India really matters and means something politically.'),(18646,9,1440340,1445220,'Suraj','But I think in mainstream political discourse, we don\'t have the language to talk about this.'),(18647,9,1445220,1454159,'Suraj','As we see with this conflation of South Asian racism as Hinduphobia and everything always being both.'),(18648,9,1454429,1458070,'Suraj','And people will ask me something like, \"Well, what\'s your mother\'s politics?\"'),(18649,9,1459429,1462860,'Suraj','And they want the answer to be like, she\'s a Republican or she\'s a Democrat.'),(18650,9,1464330,1465189,'Suraj','That\'s not actually...'),(18651,9,1465389,1484429,'Suraj','The US frame doesn\'t give us the right way to talk about her various positions, which are sometimes quote, unquote conservative, sometimes quote, unquote, progressive and other times aren\'t really legible or meaningful for a white US audience.'),(18652,9,1485139,1486389,'Suraj','And I think you\'re so, right.'),(18653,9,1486389,1500319,'Suraj','That even in the last five years, I think just three, four years ago, you would\'ve looked at the world stage or the national political stage, and you would\'ve said, \"Oh, are all Indians really conservative?\"'),(18654,9,1500449,1502219,'Suraj','Because that was what was available.'),(18655,9,1502229,1508709,'Suraj','Do you have anything more you want to say about your motivation to take up this project?'),(18656,9,1509219,1513809,'Anar Parikh','Yeah, I guess it\'s interesting that you bring up the transnational piece because I actually also...'),(18657,9,1516939,1532939,'Anar Parikh','Another tension is that one in US mainstream discourses, it\'s true that there\'s only the US frame as a way to talk about it, but I guess that in the social sciences...'),(18658,9,1534399,1541349,'Anar Parikh','Also, again, a particular movement that emerged for quite a good reason that the focus was primarily on transnationalism.'),(18659,9,1542419,1570689,'Anar Parikh','So if you think especially in sociology and some parts of migration studies and even political science, the scholarship around transnationalism was a response against the emphasis on assimilation as a way to understand people\'s experiences and to say like, no people do really maintain connections that transcend borders.'),(18660,9,1571389,1591739,'Anar Parikh','But my sort of reading or the way that I encountered that was to also notice that in shifting to transnationalism the attention to how these minoritized or marginalized or racialized groups, immigrant groups participate in US politics was also being overlooked.'),(18661,9,1591989,1598659,'Anar Parikh','Especially in anthropology, which has its own disciplinary history of being primarily abroad.'),(18662,9,1598669,1603569,'Anar Parikh','But even in sociology, I would say like, what I have read in this...'),(18663,9,1604149,1618310,'Anar Parikh','The very small amount that I\'ve read in this particular vein is that, it was a struggle to hold both that, okay, there are engagements in the US, and there are transnational engagements at the same time.'),(18664,9,1620629,1621919,'Anar Parikh','My project is also...'),(18665,9,1622840,1636329,'Anar Parikh','Though the transnational stuff does come up and was definitely a part of my experience, it was also intentionally focused on specifically, on particular engagements with the US formal political sphere.'),(18666,9,1637239,1644479,'Anar Parikh','Because I felt like that wasn\'t being elaborated at least in the way that I wanted to see it elaborated.'),(18667,9,1644489,1649079,'Anar Parikh','Not necessarily that it didn\'t exist but that I had these questions specifically about the US.'),(18668,9,1650449,1665959,'Anar Parikh','Part of what I try to do as a scholar, it\'s just really be clear to say that there are all of these things that we can hold at the same time and even while we focus on something, we can also hold on to another piece of this as well.'),(18669,9,1666729,1667099,'Suraj','Right.'),(18670,9,1667359,1674639,'Suraj','I\'m really glad you raised this idea of transnationalism as in opposition to assimilationist discourses.'),(18671,9,1674939,1689659,'Suraj','I feel like in the diaspora, particularly in the US, it seems to me that, either we are so reductionist that we think our culture is a combination of food, arranged marriage and Hinduism, let\'s say.'),(18672,9,1689659,1694209,'Suraj','These things that are really easy to identify and sell and make legible.'),(18673,9,1694499,1712889,'Suraj','Or they\'re so complex that it seems impossible to really make sense of them, to connect the dots between British colonialism and migration and transnationalism and complex faith and politics and so on, that it seems like we often wind up nowhere at all.'),(18674,9,1712969,1715909,'Suraj','And I think that political lens is a really helpful one.'),(18675,9,1716290,1729479,'Suraj','I think for my own thinking to say that the political solidarities are the piece that allows me at least to make sense of my own diasporic identity in a way that I hadn\'t been until I really started thinking of my identity as a political one.'),(18676,9,1729729,1738260,'Suraj','And not simply a racialized one, so not only a minoritized one but also one that in some ways conveyed privilege.'),(18677,9,1739090,1739310,'Anar Parikh','Right.'),(18678,9,1740540,1751999,'Suraj','So that\'s maybe something that has been striking me lately, especially as I think more about caste and gender and sexuality in the South Asian diaspora and South Asia broadly.'),(18679,9,1751999,1761589,'Suraj','So I guess that makes me want to ask, as you\'ve been doing this work, is there anything that has surprised you, intrigued you, changed your mind, complicated the way you thought about something?'),(18680,9,1761599,1761619,'Anar Parikh','Yeah.'),(18681,9,1765479,1771119,'Anar Parikh','Like all of it pretty much.'),(18682,9,1775499,1810129,'Anar Parikh','And part of it is that, I came into this project really wanting to focus on the formal or like electoral sphere from an ethnographic perspective, as I have increasingly been radicalized to really challenge all of these concepts of citizenship and the borders of the nation state and race while doing this project.'),(18683,9,1812359,1812799,'Anar Parikh','It\'s been heightened.'),(18684,9,1812799,1832719,'Anar Parikh','Navigating why I still think it\'s important to pursue these questions but also my own politics on these questions have changed considerably over the period of time from when I started thinking about it to now when I write about it.'),(18685,9,1832729,1836580,'Anar Parikh','So that\'s definitely something that I have been grappling with.'),(18686,9,1848009,1853879,'Anar Parikh','Caste is something that I have thought about and definitely have been attuned to.'),(18687,9,1857419,1871100,'Anar Parikh','So through American center, I also attended a South Asian Americans Leading Together, SAALT workshop in Silver Spring, Maryland because IC had a grant from SAALT.'),(18688,9,1872620,1879149,'Anar Parikh','And a part of that training included a caste workshop.'),(18689,9,1880060,1883659,'Anar Parikh','A workshop on caste and caste supremacy with Equality Labs.'),(18690,9,1883749,1893440,'Anar Parikh','So I academically understood a lot of, I guess, like some of the precepts of the way that capitalism works.'),(18691,9,1894249,1901129,'Anar Parikh','That workshop was my first introduction to really thinking about it critically, I would say.'),(18692,9,1901189,1915790,'Anar Parikh','And for me, I\'m still working on what is the best way for me to foreground this in my work basically.'),(18693,9,1920859,1928049,'Anar Parikh','I haven\'t like fully even developed probably the vocabulary in the way, that I can talk about it.'),(18694,9,1930109,1935280,'Anar Parikh','As much as I have practiced everything else I can talk about it with more relative ease.'),(18695,9,1935330,1948379,'Anar Parikh','But that is something that Hindu Indian Americans and particular people of Hindu backgrounds because really have to recommend.'),(18696,9,1948419,1963739,'Anar Parikh','And I say both Hindus and those of us who have rejected Hinduism as a religious identity for ourselves, but that\'s something that I haven\'t figured out also how to talk about.'),(18697,9,1965059,1972899,'Anar Parikh','My family is Hindu and castein and has caste privilege, but I don\'t identify as Hindu personally.'),(18698,9,1972899,1993840,'Anar Parikh','And I don\'t follow Hinduism, but at the same time, just because I have rejected Hinduism does not mean that those caste, that privilege doesn\'t continue to care like that dissolved by like virtue of an in individual rejection.'),(18699,9,1993899,1994139,'Anar Parikh','Right.'),(18700,9,1994139,2002889,'Anar Parikh','So that\'s something I, I mean, and figuring out how to acknowledge that a lot of the way that caste comes up is through erasure or silence.'),(18701,9,2002899,2046469,'Anar Parikh','So in South Asian American political spaces, the focus is very much on racial or religious minoritization and marginalization or cultural minoritization without ever acknowledging that caste is real, that it exists, that it informs the positionalities that we have that both the academy and who are South Asian American or Indian American politicians locally and nationally are people who are mostly who are Brahmin or who are otherwise caste privileged.'),(18702,9,2046889,2055900,'Anar Parikh','I don\'t know if surprised or intrigued does the right word, but really...'),(18703,9,2057469,2060419,'Anar Parikh','That\'s been a reckoning that I\'m still definitely working through.'),(18704,9,2061549,2061919,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18705,9,2061920,2069489,'Suraj','I think, thinking about caste as a diaspora Indian is a very particular project.'),(18706,9,2069489,2086429,'Suraj','And I think these Equality labs trainings have really made available some of the ways to think in solidarity with caste minoritized people both in the diaspora and in South Asia.'),(18707,9,2086819,2100759,'Suraj','And I wasn\'t totally expecting this, Isabelle Wilkerson book to show up and now suddenly there was this natural discourse about caste and race that I want to put a big asterisk next to that we don\'t necessarily need to unpack in this context.'),(18708,9,2100759,2100810,'Anar Parikh','So do I.'),(18709,9,2100810,2102579,'Suraj','There\'s a lot there.'),(18710,9,2102870,2128509,'Suraj','But I think for my own positionality, I don\'t know that I was raised with caste or that I think of myself as casteless, but having thought a lot about racial justice, you then kind of have to ask this question, is that because you are casteless or is that because you have this caste privilege that allows you to not understand yourself as caste in much the same way that we\'re white people don\'t understand themselves as having race.'),(18711,9,2129189,2140659,'Suraj','I think that\'s one of those spaces where maybe the ability to think critically about race really allows you to maybe think more complexly about other kinds of oppression.'),(18712,9,2141979,2142389,'Anar Parikh','Totally.'),(18713,9,2142409,2172459,'Anar Parikh','And I think as an anthropologist who has a complicated relationship with anthropology and in so far as I try, as you\'re saying, doing work in your backyard or my discipline has a very long and strong history of studying the other.'),(18714,9,2172459,2176439,'Anar Parikh','And I feel pretty strongly about writing against that.'),(18715,9,2176439,2203380,'Anar Parikh','So thinking about, what does it look like as a South Asian American to bring forward caste without that being that my position in that is to do a project with that\'s not been asked of me basically or that I have no claim to.'),(18716,9,2203760,2219930,'Anar Parikh','And so what I envision that looks like is that were I to do a project on caste that would be to do that among caste privileged...'),(18717,9,2220650,2221050,'Suraj','Savarna.'),(18718,9,2223489,2223619,'Anar Parikh','Savarna.'),(18719,9,2223620,2250820,'Anar Parikh','Folks in my own extended communing kinship networks, not to like exoticize or like turn the gaze onto caste oppressed individualism communities.'),(18720,9,2250859,2274260,'Anar Parikh','But a lot of that, like what you were saying, a lot of that is looking at silence or looking at erasure or looking at the kind of innuendos that are used to talk about caste, which have to do with like vegetarianism or a number of other things that are there, but are not explicit.'),(18721,9,2274270,2274300,'Suraj','Right.'),(18722,9,2277339,2287779,'Suraj','Again, I see parallels to racial justice where we think about, white saviorism or what have you, as who is the person who needs to be worked with about racial justice.'),(18723,9,2287779,2324529,'Suraj','And I think in education where I am, it becomes very easy to take on these deficit, I shouldn\'t say it becomes very easy, for some people it is very easy to take on these deficit discourses, where you understand education as this process of repairing a damaged person, but in these more emancipatory, critical politicized ways of thinking about learning that we\'re trying to advocate for in the learning sciences, we see the learning process as not one where the teacher is supposed to fix the learner but rather as this collaborative and community oriented endeavor.'),(18724,9,2325210,2359620,'Suraj','And then the other piece I wanted to say that what you said got me thinking about, is now I\'ve been working with young people, Indian Hindu young people who are in racial minorities in their schools and communities, and are just kind of starting to develop the language and lenses to be in non assimilationist positions but rather to understand themselves as in solidarity with black liberation, indigenous liberation and decolonialism and so on.'),(18725,9,2360410,2369879,'Suraj','But there is this really deep tension where they feel like they are being racially minoritized through what they might understand as Hinduphobia.'),(18726,9,2369879,2384330,'Suraj','But then we also want to develop this lens that says, we need to have a more complex picture of our identities, but also the young people who I have worked with in particular, have been in schools and with educators that do not have the tools to do this work right.'),(18727,9,2385350,2386640,'Suraj','These complex identities.'),(18728,9,2386949,2396560,'Suraj','So I guess that brings me to my next question, which is now that you have been so immersed in this space and have thought about civic engagement, learning, political participation and so on.'),(18729,9,2396569,2409759,'Suraj','And here, I should say like, what you\'re talking about with civic engagement and political participation definitely is perfectly synonymous with learning for our purposes as in the learning sciences where we\'re thinking in these community engaged ways.'),(18730,9,2410040,2411190,'Suraj','Well, some of us are.'),(18731,9,2412089,2426210,'Suraj','I want to ask, for people who are interested in doing South Asian advocacy equity work with South Asian folks, education work with South Asian folks, what do you think they need to understand about the diaspora?'),(18732,9,2427519,2445320,'Anar Parikh','I mean, I think, I guess that, something that we\'ve already talked about is that, it\'s very much about holding multiple things at once.'),(18733,9,2445500,2449270,'Anar Parikh','So in the process of...'),(18734,9,2454120,2480449,'Anar Parikh','If we\'re thinking about the US, for example, because we live in a world that at centers whiteness, that like anything that is not whiteness is often flattened into a single thing, a monolithic thing, but that it\'s a very multifaceted thing.'),(18735,9,2481220,2507050,'Anar Parikh','Even when we\'re talking about the South Asian diaspora, that\'s like not just migration from South Asia to the US but also legacies of indentured servitude and multiple paths of migration across Africa, the Caribbean and the Pacific as well as to Europe and to the US.'),(18736,9,2507069,2522229,'Anar Parikh','So keeping in mind that that is a part of that experience is that it\'s multiple and not particularly the same for any given person or group of people.'),(18737,9,2522750,2541680,'Anar Parikh','And then also with something like Hinduphobia, is really thinking about not that people experience marginalization based on religion or whatever, but also that these are political projects as well.'),(18738,9,2543779,2549830,'Anar Parikh','Hinduphobia has been manufactured by a particular group of people to advance a particular political cause.'),(18739,9,2550210,2555599,'Anar Parikh','Which is to operationalize US racism and xenophobia in the service of refortifying Hindu majoritarianism in India.'),(18740,9,2565319,2582040,'Anar Parikh','It\'s not just Hinduphobia, but what Hinduphobia is, has been propagated by very powerful organizations and operatives in India as a kind of political reality that people are schooled into.'),(18741,9,2582710,2589710,'Anar Parikh','If not in school, then in temple spaces or in their families or temple spaces or wherever.'),(18742,9,2589710,2605210,'Anar Parikh','So I think really trying to highlight the ways in which all of these ideas are political and politicized.'),(18743,9,2605290,2627660,'Anar Parikh','And that\'s still very broad, I know, but really critically thinking through, what is a term, where does it come from, how is it being used in particular context, paying attention to all of those things can provide a lot of information.'),(18744,9,2627660,2631960,'Anar Parikh','And a lot of it also relies on people not having a full context.'),(18745,9,2633720,2648570,'Anar Parikh','You can convincingly make an argument that Hinduphobia exists because people either don\'t have a full set of information about what the Hindu American Foundation is or what the California textbook debates are about.'),(18746,9,2649540,2655859,'Anar Parikh','Or because they\'re intentionally leaving those things out of what they say a particular thing is.'),(18747,9,2655870,2663569,'Anar Parikh','So thinking through ideas and concepts of where things come from is important.'),(18748,9,2663590,2677439,'Anar Parikh','And also just understanding how power works both as a South Asian diaspora, but like the world that we live in, in general.'),(18749,9,2679490,2679790,'Suraj','Totally.'),(18750,9,2680109,2682190,'Suraj','I really appreciate what you just said.'),(18751,9,2682190,2684850,'Suraj','And I thought that that was really well said.'),(18752,9,2684870,2704789,'Suraj','This idea that Hinduphobia and these concepts have been manufactured to weaponize US racism to support this kind of Hindu nationalist and Hindu supremacist project, I think is a really straightforward way of putting it that sounds exactly right to me.'),(18753,9,2704819,2715169,'Suraj','And I think what I hear you say is, is these kinds of twins ideas about heterogeneity, and just this idea that everybody is the same as everybody else, which is something that is true.'),(18754,9,2715169,2723829,'Suraj','Anytime you\'re trying to do racial equity work in the United States, this kind of overwhelming need to flatten an end, we need to intentionally work against that.'),(18755,9,2724060,2745700,'Suraj','And then also this focus on power that people can strategically use, like you just said, strategically use this machinery of absent context and the natural penchant of the US society to be racist, to make it appear that there is a powerlessness that is not really an accurate way of thinking about people.'),(18756,9,2746290,2759229,'Suraj','I think for you and I, and for people who have the same Twitter feed as us, I don\'t know how you can really take seriously Hinduphobia as a concept if you can see what you\'re seeing on the feed.'),(18757,9,2759490,2770220,'Suraj','While at the same time, people do experience anti-brown racism and we need to be able to think complexly about this and not simply say that this is all one thing.'),(18758,9,2774350,2774640,'Anar Parikh','Yeah.'),(18759,9,2774640,2793480,'Anar Parikh','And I think it\'s one thing to also objectively say, if you\'re in particular spaces, it\'s hard not to be critical of something like Hinduphobia.'),(18760,9,2793799,2795459,'Anar Parikh','But attending to that is also to...'),(18761,9,2795950,2840859,'Anar Parikh','And this is hard for me, but also meeting people where they are, in the process of also trying to get them to a different sort of places that even though Hinduism is grounded in caste patriarchy, people still have ties to particular traditions or particular practices that are real and meaningful and severing yourself from something as you learn about its legacies of violence and stuff, can also be extremely alienating.'),(18762,9,2840859,2870880,'Anar Parikh','So I also understand that it\'s hard to break up with a religious or spiritual practice, even if you know that it\'s mired in all kinds of injustice or violence because that means also severing yourself from a community of belonging.'),(18763,9,2872780,2884609,'Anar Parikh','I think that that\'s something that I have to remind myself in terms of how hard I am on people who aren\'t in the same...'),(18764,9,2884930,2891250,'Anar Parikh','I don\'t believe that some people are more capable of getting to a place than other people.'),(18765,9,2891770,2893049,'Anar Parikh','I don\'t believe that at all.'),(18766,9,2893049,2894589,'Anar Parikh','I think that that\'s a cup out.'),(18767,9,2894830,2904919,'Anar Parikh','But I do think that it\'s important to remind myself that, it is also work and that that process is hard for people.'),(18768,9,2904930,2917950,'Anar Parikh','So that\'s more from maybe those of us who are harsh on people is like also a reminder to have grace to an extent while also holding people accountable.'),(18769,9,2919480,2926090,'Suraj','I feel like a recurring pattern in our conversations that any time we think one thing it\'s like, but also this other thing is true.'),(18770,9,2926090,2939990,'Suraj','And this idea that there is complexity and unfortunately or fortunately we can\'t just boil it down to these three facts that a person needs to know to do this kind of work, but rather of always looking for that other side.'),(18771,9,2940509,2944290,'Suraj','Maybe not other side but other perspective or other thing that\'s also true.'),(18772,9,2946020,2946080,'Anar Parikh','Totally.'),(18773,9,2946299,2950219,'Suraj','I feel like we covered this, but I want to invite you to comment on it.'),(18774,9,2950220,2960800,'Suraj','If you have anything more to say the question was, what perspectives on equity or social justice do you take to this work or do you see as most important effective when thinking about the South Asian diaspora?'),(18775,9,2961700,2985859,'Anar Parikh','So, I mentioned this online the other day, that part of the reason I am hemming and hawing over my dissertation is because I\'m trying to introduce myself to a new body of work that was not a part of my training.'),(18776,9,2987679,2992020,'Anar Parikh','I\'ve really been thinking with and alongside black feminist anthropologists and women of color feminist anthropologists to the extent that I can without redoing the whole thing.'),(18777,9,2992029,3017310,'Anar Parikh','But I do think that drawing from black feminist thinkers and women of color feminist thinkers and queer thinkers has really slowly been a way to think about, both to think critically but also to not get mired in...'),(18778,9,3019299,3022289,'Anar Parikh','Is like both to think critically and generatively at the same time.'),(18779,9,3022290,3037500,'Anar Parikh','So both thinking about how do we really bring forth the parts of this that are racism that are caste violence that are caste patriarchy, but also to identify, where are the spaces of community amid all of that.'),(18780,9,3039169,3055819,'Anar Parikh','I think for folks who are doing social justice or organizing work, having a strong sense of grounding in that community, it feels super important when everything can otherwise feel very bleak.'),(18781,9,3055839,3090970,'Anar Parikh','That\'s also to say that rather than really thinking against the predominantly white scholars in any particular field or white innovative thinkers in any particular field, really being intentional about not just race, but when we say black feminist or women of color feminists, that\'s a political epistemological position that people are taking when they write.'),(18782,9,3090989,3095509,'Anar Parikh','And I think that that is the part that feels important to me right now.'),(18783,9,3095720,3106479,'Anar Parikh','And that\'s in terms of diaspora but also in terms of South Asian diaspora, but also everything that I\'m reigning or thinking about right now.'),(18784,9,3107839,3123210,'Suraj','I really appreciate that because I feel like I resonate with in my dissertation work, you always have this desire by some in the field to do this like, what\'s wrong, what\'s wrong, what\'s wrong, like pity-porn is what the youth I worked with called it.'),(18785,9,3123210,3126039,'Suraj','And I\'m sure other people called it that.'),(18786,9,3126049,3146009,'Suraj','There\'s also this tendency to think about criticality as being a killjoy in like the Sarah Amid sense, but also just generally, whereas I think in reality, black feminist thinkers, critical thinkers, value joy in community and intimacy and these things.'),(18787,9,3146049,3153720,'Suraj','And it\'s a misrepresentation of their committee to say that what they look for is a reason that something is wrong.'),(18788,9,3154379,3154629,'Anar Parikh','Right.'),(18789,9,3155140,3157269,'Suraj','Not actually what these lenses do.'),(18790,9,3159029,3160740,'Suraj','So now I\'m going a little bit off script.'),(18791,9,3160750,3164279,'Suraj','So if you say something you regret, we can certainly cut it from the recording.'),(18792,9,3164279,3168049,'Suraj','[inaudible] kind of hear your thoughts about representation.'),(18793,9,3170240,3179390,'Suraj','What of course you didn\'t say, naturally and what I also wouldn\'t say is that, the idea of representational politics is really central to your thinking about equity.'),(18794,9,3180319,3188750,'Suraj','And I think one of the things that you comment on often on Twitter is various people of pop culture that come out that are marketed to us as representation.'),(18795,9,3189080,3206040,'Suraj','And I wonder if you have anything to say, just in general about the way that representational politics, representational art and media in the diaspora, what you see as, maybe what\'s good about it or what it might afford, or if it\'s something that we...'),(18796,9,3206339,3215709,'Suraj','How might we engage with these pieces of art or media or politics that are framed for us as like great representation of this person or this identity?'),(18797,9,3216770,3230430,'Anar Parikh','So, I guess perspective, representation can only do so much.'),(18798,9,3230719,3238460,'Anar Parikh','There\'s like a hard limit to representation which is like, representation is not equal to politics, or it\'s not equal to solidarity.'),(18799,9,3238480,3243390,'Anar Parikh','It can be a part of it but they\'re not interchangeable.'),(18800,9,3243400,3255280,'Anar Parikh','So just because you see someone who looks like you on a particular platform does not mean that they are necessarily invested in your best interest or in a collective best interest.'),(18801,9,3265200,3272089,'Anar Parikh','I think this is something that I am thinking through my dissertation, is that representation does hold meaning for people.'),(18802,9,3272350,3287420,'Anar Parikh','And I think that while I\'m critical of its possibilities, I think it\'s also worth really taking seriously that it does hold meaning and that it\'s effective and emotional.'),(18803,9,3287429,3299419,'Anar Parikh','And there are feelings attached to being able to see someone who looks like you or to hear or see and experience that resembles yours.'),(18804,9,3299430,3316100,'Anar Parikh','I\'m kind of just interested in the one naming that it has value for people and then also identifying what the limitations are.'),(18805,9,3320280,3345790,'Anar Parikh','But I think that it\'s an unfortunate consequence of white supremacy or of white heteropatriarchy or capitalist society, because representation also I think its capitalist concepts.'),(18806,9,3346490,3355750,'Anar Parikh','I think that it generates profit for people because when you see something that is like you, then you want to buy into it.'),(18807,9,3357090,3371819,'Anar Parikh','But because there\'s so few instances of being able to see ourselves in particular ways or spaces that we don\'t, that when we are able to see it, it feels like this is the epitome of it.'),(18808,9,3375179,3385394,'Anar Parikh','I think it\'s frustrating and also I understand why people are drawn to it basically.'),(18809,9,3385394,3385767,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18810,9,3385767,3389128,'Suraj','I know that wasn\'t off the cuff question so...'),(18811,9,3389128,3389875,'Anar Parikh','Oh, no.'),(18812,9,3389875,3390622,'Anar Parikh','It\'s okay.'),(18813,9,3390622,3401810,'Suraj','I hear again, that kind of, this is true and then this is also a true thing and I appreciate that these contradictions or tensions happen all the time.'),(18814,9,3401980,3408680,'Suraj','For me, it\'s like, oh, well, if I hate it, I\'m like, well, why is everybody all great and excited about this representation?'),(18815,9,3408700,3411370,'Suraj','If I love it, I\'m like, well, why can\'t I have nice things?'),(18816,9,3411570,3412030,'Anar Parikh','Exactly.'),(18817,9,3412860,3414500,'Suraj','[crosstalk] I get it.'),(18818,9,3414500,3414570,'Anar Parikh','Totally.'),(18819,9,3417500,3419350,'Suraj','I would love to just hear...'),(18820,9,3419620,3423280,'Suraj','I know that you\'ve position yourself in anthropology, sort of.'),(18821,9,3423740,3427469,'Suraj','I would love to hear if there\'s just any specific works or role models.'),(18822,9,3427470,3441410,'Suraj','I mean, you\'ve already mentioned black feminism, queer and women of color perspectives and onto-epistemologies but if there\'s anything else you want to name as a particular person, writing, school of thought that has really animated your thinking.'),(18823,9,3442559,3447639,'Anar Parikh','Oh, sorry.'),(18824,9,3450790,3455510,'Anar Parikh','I\'m looking at my bookshelf but I don\'t know.'),(18825,9,3455510,3473430,'Anar Parikh','I think that right now, other than being an anthropologist, I don\'t identify with a particular school of thought, either within the discipline or outside of it.'),(18826,9,3473430,3487240,'Anar Parikh','Economically is like very specifically Christian, but I find that I think most generally pulling from a bunch of different spaces and thinkers at the same time.'),(18827,9,3487240,3488610,'Anar Parikh','And I am actually like...'),(18828,9,3490990,3491700,'Anar Parikh','What\'s the word?'),(18829,9,3492650,3512290,'Anar Parikh','Really predisposed towards the [inaudible] I guess that I just really feel very disinterested in really holding on to a particular faith because your faith can always be problematic or is problematic.'),(18830,9,3512290,3523980,'Anar Parikh','So I try to really appreciate what people can offer as thinkers, but I haven\'t particularly grounded my own work in a specific line of thinking.'),(18831,9,3527510,3531630,'Anar Parikh','It hasn\'t been attached to any particular thinkers I think, other than that.'),(18832,9,3532680,3535179,'Suraj','Well, that\'s possibly for the best, because I don\'t know.'),(18833,9,3536090,3539419,'Suraj','Logical schools of thoughts so if you name them, I\'d be like, well, that sounds great.'),(18834,9,3541680,3544810,'Suraj','So I guess that brings me to my last question.'),(18835,9,3544810,3557889,'Suraj','Which is, if you have any thoughts about education, education research and I know that you wouldn\'t necessarily position yourself as an education researcher, but I also know you\'ve thought a lot about graduate education, socialization into fields and all like that.'),(18836,9,3557890,3564430,'Suraj','So if there\'s anything you might want to say about the links between the South Asian diaspora and education.'),(18837,9,3565010,3565020,NULL,'59:32'),(18838,9,3565030,3565460,'Anar Parikh','Sure.'),(18839,9,3566930,3573410,'Anar Parikh','I guess that this is a part of my work that I am doing right now that\'s not exactly specifically about the South Asian diaspora.'),(18840,9,3575110,3599200,'Anar Parikh','I do think of myself as also doing eco community engaged research in a variety of not particularly well defined ways, but that\'s both through my research or both through the way that I did ethnographic research as working at an organization while also doing my research.'),(18841,9,3599200,3607469,'Anar Parikh','But also for the past two years, I\'ve been a graduate fellow at the Swearer Center for Public Service at Brown.'),(18842,9,3607469,3624730,'Anar Parikh','And my current project actually involves reviewing and revising the undergraduate co-curriculum that goes with student\'s community engagement placements.'),(18843,9,3624740,3629359,'Anar Parikh','So I am thinking, at least not necessarily this.'),(18844,9,3631250,3654069,'Anar Parikh','This piece of my work is not specific to the South Asian diaspora, but I am thinking about how do you work towards anti-racism or work towards decolonial approaches in teaching or in learning in this co-curricular space and in a higher context more broadly.'),(18845,9,3656809,3665829,'Anar Parikh','Just yesterday I Tweeted about how the heavy-handed use of TED Talks in educational spaces.'),(18846,9,3665829,3668840,'Suraj','[inaudible] Retweeted, responded to you.'),(18847,9,3668860,3669220,'Anar Parikh','Sorry.'),(18848,9,3669670,3673220,'Suraj','Tressie McMillan Cottom Retweeted and responded.'),(18849,9,3673720,3673750,'Anar Parikh','Yes.'),(18850,9,3675100,3675735,'Anar Parikh','She responded.'),(18851,9,3676010,3680609,'Anar Parikh','I could sing Tressie McMillan Cottom\'s phrases all day.'),(18852,9,3681589,3689460,'Anar Parikh','And fairly sure that my Twitter success is due to things Tressie has uplifted for sure.'),(18853,9,3692260,3701530,'Anar Parikh','I would say that more than beyond this as South Asian diaspora, I am not the best at operationalizing things, I guess.'),(18854,9,3702140,3712000,'Anar Parikh','I\'m an anthropologist because I think that there\'s this flexibility in ethnographic research to be adhoc, which suits my own modes of thinking and learning.'),(18855,9,3712240,3716940,'Anar Parikh','That being said, I am invested in the spaces that I\'m involved in.'),(18856,9,3716940,3737329,'Anar Parikh','Really trying to engage people to think critically about the information that\'s presented to them and where that information comes from, who\'s writing it, what kinds of narratives are being produced or reproduced, why might those narratives be harmful.'),(18857,9,3738019,3749270,'Anar Parikh','Are all things that I try to practice in my own work and also in the way that I talk to people in my own work and the way that I engage with others.'),(18858,9,3749280,3753960,'Anar Parikh','I would say that that\'s how I\'m thinking about education.'),(18859,9,3753960,3765080,'Anar Parikh','And also when I work on materials to really think through those things in my syllabi or in the workshops that I\'m revising, or curricula that I\'m reviewing.'),(18860,9,3765099,3769590,'Anar Parikh','So it\'s all very adhoc, as are a lot of things.'),(18861,9,3769670,3774540,'Anar Parikh','But that\'s like where I am now.'),(18862,9,3775610,3775950,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18863,9,3778000,3791940,'Suraj','So I had been doing this work with LGBTQ plus Youth and so naturally when I went on the job market, I had to pitch a second project which is absurd to me cause I was like still working on the [inaudible] . But my second project, I was like, what if we just did the same thing with South Asian youth or whatever?'),(18864,9,3792470,3797950,'Suraj','And immediately that was a bad idea because it didn\'t necessarily make sense.'),(18865,9,3797980,3801710,'Suraj','But I have been thinking a lot about education with South Asian youth.'),(18866,9,3801710,3805300,'Suraj','And so this new project I\'m working on is in my hometown.'),(18867,9,3805620,3814420,'Suraj','After this past summer, there had been all these petitions from, and my hometown is on Long Island and it is very white and very wealthy.'),(18868,9,3814480,3822930,'Suraj','And this petition had circulated about, how can we make our hometown schools more anti-racist, 2000 alumni signed it.'),(18869,9,3823090,3827910,'Suraj','That didn\'t mean anything because alumni K12 school districts are not a constituency group.'),(18870,9,3827920,3838529,'Suraj','But we wound up working with the few youth of color in the schools and to hear the way that they are positioned in these learning environments is really quite challenging.'),(18871,9,3838880,3851220,'Suraj','But then at the same time you think, oh, there are some parts of that culturally sustaining pedagogy that actually no amount of professional development can make the job of a white educator.'),(18872,9,3851360,3865540,'Suraj','And so there is a lot of complexity to it, especially if you about in this last few years in the learning sciences, thinking about, okay, well, what if we actually really did think about learning as political?'),(18873,9,3866100,3870279,'Suraj','All learning as having a political dimension or involving a kind of political becoming.'),(18874,9,3870930,3880249,'Suraj','Then you have to abandon this idea that neutrality is what you\'re going for as a teacher, which I think as we all know was sort of a farce to begin with.'),(18875,9,3880489,3880729,'Anar Parikh','Yeah.'),(18876,9,3881039,3881989,'Anar Parikh','Don\'t even start there.'),(18877,9,3882689,3883159,'Anar Parikh','Its like...'),(18878,9,3885360,3892480,'Suraj','And yet that is of course a tool that white teachers and others use to say, oh, well, we don\'t talk about race in this classroom.'),(18879,9,3892480,3895580,'Suraj','Never mind that I\'m giving you this white supremacist history of the United States.'),(18880,9,3895580,3896840,'Suraj','That\'s not political.'),(18881,9,3896880,3907640,'Suraj','But us talking about any perspectives of people of color is necessarily talking about race and talking about race is illegal, racist.'),(18882,9,3907970,3910460,'Suraj','Now they\'re actually trying to ban critical race theory, but I digress.'),(18883,9,3910460,3921660,'Suraj','I think that\'s all that I had on the agenda for today, but I\'ll give you the opportunity to just say if there\'s...'),(18884,9,3921690,3924620,'Suraj','And then I have a little bit of closing matter, just paperwork...'),(18885,9,3924620,3924740,'Anar Parikh','Okay.'),(18886,9,3925370,3925620,'Anar Parikh','Sure.'),(18887,9,3926529,3928049,'Suraj','But I\'ll just give you the opportunity to say.'),(18888,9,3928050,3929850,'Suraj','Is there anything else that you think that...'),(18889,9,3930679,3938720,'Suraj','So we\'re this collective of multinational transnational South Asian learning scientists, we do a lot of work on thinking about teaching and learning.'),(18890,9,3940150,3948969,'Suraj','And we\'re trying to really understand the implications of our identities for creating more equitable, more productive, more effective learning environments.'),(18891,9,3948979,3955370,'Suraj','So I\'ll just say that to say, is there anything else you might like to share about your research, your experience, your thinking?'),(18892,9,3957790,3958050,'Anar Parikh','Yeah.'),(18893,9,3958680,3964680,'Anar Parikh','I guess that I was just thinking about this as we were talking about learning in South Asian diaspora...'),(18894,9,3966360,3985280,'Anar Parikh','like, This sounds so obvious, I guess, but really mapping out where are the place says that people learn or where people are socialized to learn and think in particular ways.'),(18895,9,3987470,3995380,'Anar Parikh','I mean, nowhere do I think that there\'s an assumption, at least in this conversation that that\'s the school.'),(18896,9,3995730,4011240,'Anar Parikh','But also really naming, I think for the South Asian diaspora and particular, maybe other affinity or identity based communities that it\'s not just schools but also families or temp...'),(18897,9,4011240,4015210,'Anar Parikh','Where are the places that people are [inaudible]'),(18898,9,4016309,4022109,'Anar Parikh','.<v Anar Parikh> There\'s social reproduction happening in families, in religious spaces.'),(18899,9,4022889,4027900,'Anar Parikh','And then also in activist or organizing spaces as well.'),(18900,9,4030320,4031340,'Anar Parikh','I think each of those...'),(18901,9,4032540,4042249,'Anar Parikh','I happened to spend more time in my formative years in those activists and organizing spaces than I did in temple spaces or like religious spaces.'),(18902,9,4042289,4048470,'Anar Parikh','And I think that it\'s not a surprise that I ended up the way that I did, at least to me.'),(18903,9,4049390,4051050,'Anar Parikh','I think it\'s just something that I\'m thinking about.'),(18904,9,4051220,4055060,'Anar Parikh','And that\'s very off the cuff, I hadn\'t like fully developed that.'),(18905,9,4055060,4059570,'Anar Parikh','But just something that came up based on what you were talking about.'),(18906,9,4060060,4060819,'Suraj','Yeah, totally.'),(18907,9,4060870,4065240,'Suraj','I\'ve now been on two projects where I\'ve been working with youth who are trying to transform their school.'),(18908,9,4065280,4076220,'Suraj','And of course, the space of us working together to think about strategy and learn and think together, that space has not been in the school, but that has been the learning space.'),(18909,9,4077310,4080670,'Suraj','With this new project, with the youth in my hometown, it\'s very much been like...'),(18910,9,4081480,4084100,'Suraj','The school\'s never going to teach you critical race theory and if...'),(18911,9,4084330,4084720,'Anar Parikh','Right.'),(18912,9,4085950,4088819,'Suraj','critical race theory, it won\'t do it for another 10 or 15 years.'),(18913,9,4089469,4094350,'Suraj','But we can learn critical race theory right now as part of us doing this advocacy work.'),(18914,9,4094350,4098689,'Suraj','And I don\'t know if Jean Lave is...'),(18915,9,4098689,4101095,'Suraj','Jean Lave is this, I guess, somewhat as a...'),(18916,9,4101095,4102080,'Anar Parikh','Communities of practice?'),(18917,9,4102460,4103010,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(18918,9,4103359,4107549,'Suraj','So that\'s really a big deal in our field and it\'s sold to us as anthropology.'),(18919,9,4107559,4113059,'Suraj','As like, this is an anthropological perspective on learning but I\'m not sure if an anthropology she is.'),(18920,9,4113640,4117460,'Suraj','Or that that theory is something [inaudible] or whatever.'),(18921,9,4124050,4131410,'Anar Parikh','I am familiar with Communities of practice because I took an anthropology of knowledge class.'),(18922,9,4131450,4170799,'Anar Parikh','I wouldn\'t say that it\'s necessarily everywhere but there is actually this book called “Civic Engagements”, the citizenship practices of Indian and Vietnamese immigrants in Texas that uses this communities of practice idea to talk about how immigrants become civically engaged through religious organizations or through ethnic associations.'),(18923,9,4173680,4175900,'Anar Parikh','The way that it\'s invoked in this particular instance.'),(18924,9,4175920,4179120,'Anar Parikh','I think one is ignorant of race...'),(18925,9,4179189,4181149,'Anar Parikh','Like one basically doesn\'t account for race.'),(18926,9,4181580,4185529,'Anar Parikh','And two, also doesn\'t account for power.'),(18927,9,4185710,4191310,'Anar Parikh','And those are often related in the way that, what belonging in the US involved.'),(18928,9,4191319,4199010,'Anar Parikh','So I\'m not saying that that\'s absent in the Lave and Wenger, in how they conceptualize it altogether.'),(18929,9,4199040,4218349,'Anar Parikh','But I think there\'s parts of Communities of practice that are interesting and also probably if I were to read it closely now, I would also identify ways that probably hasn\'t fully accounted for oppression, basically.'),(18930,9,4219509,4225519,'Suraj','In the last 30, somewhat years it\'s met with plenty of answers and critiques and so on.'),(18931,9,4225520,4228870,'Suraj','But I think the learning science is it\'s really kind of two communities.'),(18932,9,4228870,4239400,'Suraj','There\'s this very science, brain science educational psychology cognition, randomized control trial people, learning analytics and AI in education.'),(18933,9,4239429,4253040,'Suraj','And then also in the same field, there\'s these people who are like myself or like ethnographers, participatory research, qualitative research, equity education as a practice of freedom and all like that.'),(18934,9,4253040,4255679,'Suraj','And we are all for some reason learning scientists.'),(18935,9,4255689,4271330,'Suraj','But I bring up Lave because often in our graduate training, Lave is sold to us as ethnography in anthropology and it is offered as the alternative to this, that I\'m highly critical of, this really cognitivist individualized.'),(18936,9,4273240,4287040,'Suraj','But I brought all of that up to just say, the Lave and tradition has really made this large group of learning scientists who really appreciate out-of-school learning and look to have [crosstalk] as the site where most learning...'),(18937,9,4287050,4304090,'Suraj','In fact, that whole line of thinking of course opens this argument that says schools is actually one of the places where learning is almost least likely to happen, or if it does happen, it happens in the least natural, least effective, least productive way and then you\'re just sort of left alone.'),(18938,9,4304930,4307850,'Suraj','Which is depressing but I think we\'re working on it.'),(18939,9,4309760,4310209,'Suraj','All right.'),(18940,9,4310499,4311879,'Suraj','Anything else you want to throw out there?'),(18941,9,4312480,4313670,'Anar Parikh','No, thank you so much.'),(18942,9,4314079,4314370,'Suraj','All right.'),(18943,9,4314370,4318795,'Suraj','Well, it was a pleasure to chat with you and I thank you so much for agreeing to do this.'),(18944,9,4318890,4333720,'Suraj','I think you really added a lot of complexity and nuance and texture to some of our language and thinking here that is really important both for people in the community and for people outside the community to try and wrap their heads around.'),(18945,20,930,1330,'Suraj','Yes.'),(18946,20,1390,1779,'Suraj','Okay.'),(18947,20,7330,7710,'Boro','Yeah.'),(18948,20,7710,12479,'Boro','Well, I am Boro Baski.'),(18949,20,12490,28759,'Boro','I am from Bishnubati, Santal Village which is 10 kilometers away from Visva-Bharati University, Shantiniketan, which Rabindranath Tagore founded, and 160 kilometers away from Kolkata.'),(18950,20,30259,41040,'Boro','So, I work in an NGO, Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust since last 30 years.'),(18951,20,42370,61379,'Boro','And we have been working with several programs, including education, health, child and women healthcare.'),(18952,20,61969,64239,'Boro','We have tree plantation program.'),(18953,20,64249,65549,'Boro','We have agriculture.'),(18954,20,65610,74329,'Boro','We have bio-farming and cultural activities and so on.'),(18955,20,75290,83720,'Boro','Yeah, I live in the village with my parents and we have a group of people with whom I am working since many years now.'),(18956,20,85870,86240,'Suraj','Okay.'),(18957,20,86250,88349,'Suraj','Thank you for that introduction.'),(18958,20,88350,99630,'Suraj','So I think many of our listeners, especially those not familiar with Indian context will not have been familiar with the terms, Adivasi communities or specifically the Santal community.'),(18959,20,100080,106810,'Suraj','So I was hoping you could tell us a little bit about what those words mean and what words you like to use to refer to your community.'),(18960,20,111700,126959,'Boro','Yeah, Adibasi the commonly translated term of Adivasi is the original inhabitant or the indigenous people of India.'),(18961,20,127909,135190,'Boro','And in collective, I think the tribes of Indian subcontinent, we call Adivasi.'),(18962,20,136510,156300,'Boro','And Santal is one of the largest homogenous tribal group among 705 different tribal groups of the country.'),(18963,20,157599,173989,'Boro','They consist about 10 million and are spread over several states of India, like Jharkhand, Odisha, Bihar, West Bengal, Assam, and even outside India, in Bangladesh and Nepal.'),(18964,20,175540,191679,'Boro','According to modern development indicators, such as health, education, life expectancy rate, and per capita income santal is one of the least developed communities of our country.'),(18965,20,196329,222269,'Suraj','So in recent years, you\'ve and actually as you had said, for quite a long time you\'ve been doing work in the community, including work in schooling, in museums to preserve culture, in thinking about the script and medium of students learning.'),(18966,20,222620,226549,'Suraj','So to start with, it would be lovely to hear about your journey, Mr.'),(18967,20,226559,234049,'Suraj','Boro, from what kinds of experiences made you come back to this work?'),(18968,20,234049,236420,'Suraj','What made you decide to focus on education?'),(18969,20,236440,239579,'Suraj','Specifically sort of your story.'),(18970,20,259659,260129,'Boro','Yeah.'),(18971,20,261079,266760,'Boro','Actually, it\'s a long journey, as I said, about last 30 years.'),(18972,20,267799,279080,'Boro','And this is the initiative that have come up, is actually not a pre-planned idea.'),(18973,20,280010,294779,'Boro','It is just the way I grew up, and the problem I\'ve faced until I met and gradually the project got shaped.'),(18974,20,297179,306699,'Boro','And as I said, I grew up in a village, Bishnubati and as a normal santal child.'),(18975,20,308029,314560,'Boro','And I used to look after our cows and goats, and roam around in the nearby jungle and rivers.'),(18976,20,315760,320229,'Boro','And I have two brothers and one sister.'),(18977,20,320609,335670,'Boro','I\'m the eldest and my brothers had been to school, but my sister never went to school as she was working with my parents in the local brick kiln to support me and my brothers’ studies.'),(18978,20,336479,343320,'Boro','So my mother\'s family were converted Christians.'),(18979,20,343320,343550,'Boro','And they\'ve the trend of sending the children to school.'),(18980,20,348030,358010,'Boro','One day, my uncle came and asked my mother, if she was ready to send her son to a boarding school in the town.'),(18981,20,358570,376174,'Boro','Everybody agreed in our family except my aunt, who said, \"I don\'t want that our child get lost after having education,\" because I was the first boy from our village who went to school.'),(18982,20,376250,381370,'Boro','So we had no school in the village, and I was the alone that I got this proposal.'),(18983,20,382549,390340,'Boro','So finally, I was sent to a Christian boarding school, which is 40 kilometers away from our village.'),(18984,20,391340,395409,'Boro','And it was there my world beyond our village opened up.'),(18985,20,397090,412310,'Boro','In the mission school I got used to with the city life, the football, the indoor games, electricity, ceiling fan, and become conscious about health and hygiene and disciplined life.'),(18986,20,414989,419130,'Boro','In the boarding school, we were forced to speak Bengali or English.'),(18987,20,420649,423620,'Boro','And whoever spoke in their mother tongue were punished.'),(18988,20,424330,438380,'Boro','My uncle used to pay my hostel fees, was reluctant to bring me home during long vacations feeling that I would forget my studies by mixing with the village friends.'),(18989,20,439799,452939,'Boro','So in between, an accident happened, my uncle was paying my fees in the hostel, his wife suddenly died, and I had to return to my village permanently and my parents were unable to pay my hostel fees.'),(18990,20,456939,466590,'Boro','After staying 10 years in the boarding school, out of my village, when I returned back to my village, I found myself in odd situation.'),(18991,20,467119,469899,'Boro','I felt alienated from my friends and villagers.'),(18992,20,470779,477060,'Boro','Though I could speak my mother tongue, yet I felt that unseen wall had been created between us.'),(18993,20,477979,487940,'Boro','I have forgotten many things that I learned before going to boarding school and did not know many things that a boy of my age was supposed to know.'),(18994,20,488020,502909,'Boro','For example, I did not know the basic work in the family and in the field works such as cooking, feeding the cows and pigs, climbing on the palm trees, swimming, plowing, and so on.'),(18995,20,503710,511979,'Boro','I also did not know how to play various types of musical instruments, drums, and flutes, making various types of fishing and hunting traps.'),(18996,20,515139,537300,'Boro','I used to feel embarrassed among the family members when I could not utter the name of the relationship while greeting them, or cannot respond to the queries from my members, as I did not know if the relationship with him or her falls in a respectful or joking relationship.'),(18997,20,538300,553540,'Boro','So this is the first phase that I have experienced when a child goes out from his village to the town and grew up in a different culture and how he gets isolated.'),(18998,20,554870,568740,'Boro','So coming back, I felt that I have to relearn . I have to re-educate myself in the village life, the village community rules and regulations, I have to learn again.'),(18999,20,569380,574680,'Boro','And I started working with my parents in the agricultural field.'),(19000,20,575569,581839,'Boro','And also I went to the construction site in the town to work.'),(19001,20,583939,586430,'Boro','But again, I felt it was too much for me.'),(19002,20,587170,589260,'Boro','So I said, I will start again.'),(19003,20,589530,592410,'Boro','I was in class seven that time.'),(19004,20,593390,606969,'Boro','So again, I got admitted in the school, but my parents did not understand the problem that is going on in between, because they could not understand.'),(19005,20,606990,610929,'Boro','It was beyond their imagination and experience.'),(19006,20,612110,614300,'Boro','So that is how life was going on.'),(19007,20,615590,620697,'Boro','A big turning point in my life actually happened when I met a German scholar, Mr.'),(19008,20,620770,629230,'Boro','Martin Kampchen at a railway station.'),(19009,20,629230,631710,'Boro','I was going to Burdwan to visit my friend in a boarding school.'),(19010,20,632450,649380,'Boro','The gentleman was studying in the Visva-Bharati University and on the train, we discussed about an hour.'),(19011,20,649380,653510,'Boro','He was going back to Germany in the summer vacation.'),(19012,20,654770,670810,'Boro','And that first meeting, and from that, eventually we become friends and this meeting actually became a long term working relationship also.'),(19013,20,676260,681520,'Boro','I studied masters, I did my masters in social work.'),(19014,20,681689,685840,'Boro','One day, he called me Boro, what do you want to do with your life?'),(19015,20,687270,693560,'Boro','And I said, yeah, I need a job to support my family.'),(19016,20,694730,709909,'Boro','And he said, look, I have got some amount from the last will from one of my well wishers in Germany for village development work.'),(19017,20,712819,716579,'Boro','And I\'m still wondering how to spend that amount for a good cause.'),(19018,20,717490,723946,'Boro','And he also said he did not want to spend the money in any normal charitable work or to somewhere, give where it really matters.'),(19019,20,723946,739050,'Boro','And finally, he asked me if I could also have this amount, if I wanted and could do something for my community, for example, to start a school in my mother tongue Santali.'),(19020,20,740779,747920,'Boro','And to address a problem that I have been through while taking education through foreign language Bangla.'),(19021,20,749829,763359,'Boro','And yeah, and that striked me and I discussed with my college mate Gokul Hansda and some of my friends Snehadri and some villagers.'),(19022,20,764189,774039,'Boro','And it was in 1996 that we started a school, a non-formal Santal school.'),(19023,20,774319,785920,'Boro','Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram we named the school after the gentleman, Rolf Schoembs, who donated the amount to Martin Da for village development activities.'),(19024,20,787660,798469,'Boro','So in the beginning, our main aim was to address the problems santal children face in the government schools for which they become drop outs.'),(19025,20,799280,801760,'Boro','The problems were identified.'),(19026,20,802900,808990,'Boro','We identified the problems related to language, curriculum, and method of teaching.'),(19027,20,811740,828100,'Boro','In the government schools, most of the teachers are Bengali and thus teaching imparted in Bangla language, whereas the Santal children speak in their mother tongue at home so they hardly understand Bangla.'),(19028,20,829000,833670,'Boro','Therefore, the communication between the teachers and the students hardly took place.'),(19029,20,834489,848439,'Boro','The student used to lose their interest in studies and prefer to look after their cows and goats or helping their parents in the daily house chores.'),(19030,20,849069,873659,'Boro','So this is the beginning and gradually, and also other problems that I said the curriculum and the method of teaching too, was based on the need of the majority Bangla children and not the Santals and other linguistic minority children at least in the government schools.'),(19031,20,874489,875019,'Suraj','So Mr.'),(19032,20,875019,883909,'Suraj','Boro, I just want to say, of course you can\'t see my face, but please know I\'m listening nodding along very, I really appreciate what you\'re saying.'),(19033,20,884300,897980,'Suraj','And as you keep going, I would love to hear so language, the difference in language is quite straightforward, but what about the curriculum and the method of teaching was not aligned to some of the needs of the Santal children?'),(19034,20,901100,901370,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19035,20,901370,909180,'Suraj','[internet disconnect and repeat] So you had said that the language and the curriculum and the teaching methods all were aligned to the majority Bengali students.'),(19036,20,910390,910470,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19037,20,910490,916229,'Suraj','And language is quite obvious how that would be, but what about the curriculum and the teaching methods?'),(19038,20,916690,917060,'Boro','Yeah.'),(19039,20,917410,944110,'Boro','Curriculum, as I said, that most of the subjects that they learn in the schools are based on the Bengali environment, none of the house, the pictures, the pictures of a lady or a mother, there\'s the Bengali lady, that\'s written mother and foods and dress.'),(19040,20,944790,977000,'Boro','Whereas the Santal family and the parents have different dresses and food habits and method of teaching the teachers in the government school are trained.There are teacher training schools, they are trained to teach how to address the problems of the majority children, but how to address the problems of the minority children, linguistically minority children face, they are not trained for that.'),(19041,20,977579,994600,'Boro','So these tribal children or the Santal children basically, have no option, but to attend those schools and slowly they become dropouts when they lose their interest.'),(19042,20,995980,1002870,'Boro','So we felt these problems need to be addressed.'),(19043,20,1003800,1009490,'Boro','And this is the problem that I do have experienced in my own life.'),(19044,20,1010430,1028909,'Boro','So, to address these issues, we began to develop our own curriculum and method of teaching, where Santal children can learn through their own mother tongue Santali in the beginning and gradually they will move over to Bengali.'),(19045,20,1029699,1036207,'Boro','For example, in Bengali we learn \'au’ for ‘ajagar’ which means snake.'),(19046,20,1036207,1053840,'Boro','but when a Santal child sees that picture, he says, \"what is \'Ajogar\'?\"'),(19047,20,1053889,1055979,'Boro','It is called \'bing\' in Santali.'),(19048,20,1055979,1068679,'Boro','Again, for ‘aa’ it is written ‘aam’ and there is a picture of mango ‘aa’ for \'aam\', but for Santal child ‘aam’ is ‘you’ and the picture is of ‘ool’ meaning mango.'),(19049,20,1068679,1075255,'Boro','So it is very confusing for a small child who does not know Bengali language..'),(19050,20,1075255,1081726,'Boro','First he has to understand that this \'ool\' is called \'Aam\' and from it is related to this letter.'),(19051,20,1081726,1100869,'Boro','So we have developed our primers, where we have put pictures with Santali words in bengali scripts.'),(19052,20,1100970,1107695,'Boro','For example, \'Au\' for ‘aurah’\' \'Aa\' for \'Aargom\' like that.'),(19053,20,1107790,1121280,'Boro','And it\'s very easy for them because first they recognize the picture, then come to the word and gradually we also develop the primers.'),(19054,20,1121360,1122695,'Boro','Santali reading primers instead of reading \'maa amake bhaat dau\' mother please give me food.'),(19055,20,1122695,1146710,'Boro','So if a child utters this sentence without knowing it, he doesn\'t get joy in it, but when he speaks \'Maa dakanj joma\' Mother, I want to have food, ah, what, a joy.'),(19056,20,1147139,1157060,'Boro','So this kind of small sentence in Santali and we started to develop and they enjoy it.'),(19057,20,1157100,1169468,'Boro','Even the rhymes, we also include our folklore our history because in most of the schools, the students learn about the history India in general.'),(19058,20,1169468,1178569,'Boro','We learn about Tagore, Gandhiji or Shantiniketan everything, but we don\'t learn about our own history, our life our heroes.'),(19059,20,1179309,1193740,'Boro','And this is sometime we feel that it is, we are de-santalizing them, de-culturizing them.'),(19060,20,1193750,1209909,'Boro','And so this way we develop our own primers and included our history folklore and gradually the children got their interest.'),(19061,20,1210779,1235379,'Boro','And it was in the beginning the parents also were reluctant to accept our idea because they thought these children have to go to the Bangla school or have to attend, learn English, and Bengali in their life later and why to teach them in Santali.'),(19062,20,1239199,1256830,'Boro','But later on, when they saw that their children are doing good in high schools and they are growing up very confidently and they don\'t want to miss their classes and their schools.'),(19063,20,1257470,1266980,'Boro','And their parents also felt, there is something good over there that is why our children are going.'),(19064,20,1266989,1273490,'Boro','And slowly now we have near about 93 students.'),(19065,20,1274340,1280859,'Boro','Children are coming from 12 different villages of our area.'),(19066,20,1281769,1285709,'Boro','So this is how things began.'),(19067,20,1287059,1298770,'Boro','And after running this school for 10 years, we realized that we are having some problems.'),(19068,20,1299760,1311180,'Boro','And that problem is that when these children come out from their school, they cannot adjust in the government school.'),(19069,20,1311750,1319980,'Boro','So we had to open the evening coaching centers in different villages to guide them, to help them.'),(19070,20,1321920,1324189,'Boro','And can you hear me?'),(19071,20,1325950,1326460,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19072,20,1326490,1327070,'Suraj','Thank you.'),(19073,20,1328370,1328879,'Boro','Yeah.'),(19074,20,1329050,1329490,'Boro','Yeah.'),(19075,20,1330840,1334519,'Boro','And I think you can understand what I\'m saying.'),(19076,20,1336379,1336840,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19077,20,1336859,1339599,'Suraj','I think this is, that\'s very illuminating.'),(19078,20,1339839,1344940,'Suraj','So to rephrase sort of that question.'),(19079,20,1344940,1347510,'Suraj','So you\'ve been doing this work for a long time now.'),(19080,20,1347879,1355990,'Suraj','How has, what has changed in your thinking or what have you noticed over that period that maybe you\'ve changed your thinking?'),(19081,20,1361870,1366079,'Suraj','Or perhaps if there\'s anything that has surprised you in this work?'),(19082,20,1367800,1379280,'Boro','Yeah, they actually, over the time we gradually included our programs, according to the need as I said.'),(19083,20,1379850,1404580,'Boro','Then after, after their school final, we realized that unless these children or the students are established in their professional life or get employment this mere degree, will not help them, benefit them.'),(19084,20,1404780,1421440,'Boro','So if we started a vocational training course.So after school final, the students, according to their knack, and their interest, we guide them to take various types of trades.'),(19085,20,1422529,1431309,'Boro','And so they establish themselves somewhere and start earning, because that is very important.'),(19086,20,1433199,1452790,'Boro','And that is why we also included agriculture in our school because the Santal community, the way of life is so much connected with agricultural cycle.'),(19087,20,1453790,1463569,'Boro','And it is very sad to see that in the schools or in our main stream education, we don\'t find any reflection of these areas.'),(19088,20,1463569,1467430,'Boro','And this is where they feel confident.'),(19089,20,1468190,1476720,'Boro','And so we included biofarming, we\'ve included fisheries.'),(19090,20,1477190,1494930,'Boro','We have bee keeping, we have monsoon cultivation, we have food processing and all this, so that from while in the school, they can get to know, they get to know all these trades.'),(19091,20,1494980,1501649,'Boro','And later on, if anybody wants to continue heor she can do that.'),(19092,20,1502239,1504149,'Boro','And that is one thing.'),(19093,20,1504700,1517810,'Boro','And this way, again, we, so now many of our students after completing the studies, now they are working in different fields.'),(19094,20,1517810,1523680,'Boro','Some of them are, of course, taking higher education, studying in the university.'),(19095,20,1523780,1524960,'Boro','We also encourage them.'),(19096,20,1525030,1554200,'Boro','If we see that he has that talent.And final inclusion that we have is the museum, because we felt that tribals, those who are deeply rooted with their culture, their education cannot happen in isolation.'),(19097,20,1554200,1557963,'Boro','We cannot, education cannot happen without their culture.'),(19098,20,1557963,1561060,'Boro','We should include them because that is their way of life.'),(19099,20,1561260,1566349,'Boro','So education and culture cannot be separated that way.'),(19100,20,1566449,1573129,'Boro','And if we do so, we feel that will be incomplete and that will be one sided.'),(19101,20,1573999,1607950,'Boro','So we started to encourage them in keeping their culture, music, dance, and dramas, and established a museum where we have exhibited more than 150 items related to their dress, ornaments, hunting equipments, musical instruments, and agricultural equipments.'),(19102,20,1608499,1636720,'Boro','And our students go there regularly to learn and to see, because nowadays after introduction of the schools in the villages, the children don\'t get the normal way to acquire their indigenous knowledge and skills.'),(19103,20,1637230,1641788,'Boro','Before, they used to learn normally from their parents and from their old people.'),(19104,20,1641819,1653780,'Boro','But now, since they have to go to school and their time table has totally changed, we have to do it in an organized way.'),(19105,20,1654430,1660110,'Boro','And museum is that place where the students go regularly.'),(19106,20,1660110,1660120,'Boro','A day is set aside for every class to visit the museum once a week.'),(19107,20,1660120,1697210,'Boro','And they get to learn about their own culture and history . This museum is located in the village and the villagers themselves are looking after the museum, we call it a community museum and the villagers have donated these items for the museum and the students take care of that regularly.'),(19108,20,1697340,1707920,'Boro','If some visitors come, the students show them around and this boosts up their self confidence and their pride.'),(19109,20,1708970,1715830,'Boro','And through this museum, we also receive guests from Shantiniketan, from Kolkata.'),(19110,20,1716659,1736269,'Boro','And through this museum, our neighbors, immediate neighbors, those who have no idea, or very little idea about Santals or distorted idea that Santals only drink, sing and dance, and they don\'t want changes.'),(19111,20,1736939,1748040,'Boro','This is the idea or the picture that has been portrayed over the years through various films, Bengali novels or art films.'),(19112,20,1748700,1764079,'Boro','And we have to break this stereotype and notion, and we want to show the world that we are beyond that.'),(19113,20,1764079,1769157,'Boro','We have our own culture, we have our own history.'),(19114,20,1769157,1797568,'Boro','And so this museum also connects us with the outside world and through our culture and tradition, we want our children to keep their roots intact and accept what is over there in the world.'),(19115,20,1797568,1818364,'Boro','So this is the basic concept of education that one should grow up from its own roots, from knowing to unknown, from known to unknown and gradually he will branch out to the world.'),(19116,20,1818364,1826749,'Boro','He will learn different languages and culture, but without losing his or her roots.'),(19117,20,1828360,1831490,'Suraj','I really appreciate that definition of education.'),(19118,20,1831550,1838499,'Suraj','And I appreciate what you\'ve said also about education and culture being inseparable.'),(19119,20,1839199,1847479,'Suraj','So I feel that you\'ve told us this story and we can see how the various pieces from the school to the museum go together.'),(19120,20,1847480,1857340,'Suraj','And it sounds like there has been a lot of success in these projects, what have been some of the biggest challenges in doing this kind of work?'),(19121,20,1861780,1878039,'Boro','Well, the first challenge, of course, is the idea of education through mother tongue and to include the culture.'),(19122,20,1880049,1901140,'Boro','So that is the challenge that came from our own people because they could not, the villagers in the beginning could not understand the need of learning through their mother tongue and inclusion of culture in education.'),(19123,20,1901730,1911389,'Boro','As I said earlier, that argument was that since the children anyway have to deal with Bangla and English throughout their lives, then why teach them in Santali?'),(19124,20,1912239,1929499,'Boro','So it took several years to make them understand that learning through their mother tongue helps their children in keeping rooted to their culture and heritage and help them get a broader understanding of the subject they study.'),(19125,20,1930829,1939169,'Boro','And as I said, the tribals are deeply rooted to their language and culture.'),(19126,20,1941249,1956260,'Boro','And secondly, I think to inspire youth to start an individual enterprise rather than to run after a ready-made job is also a big challenge.'),(19127,20,1958290,1968120,'Boro','So still in our mainstream education system and everywhere, we always tell our students, you study, you have to get a job.'),(19128,20,1968190,1970879,'Boro','You have to go to the city, you have to go to town.'),(19129,20,1971910,1984510,'Boro','So when we are talking about this idea to strengthen your own strength, you grow up with your own strength with your own trades that you have.'),(19130,20,1985739,1998660,'Boro','Then sometimes it seemed to them and too many, even the teachers also that we are actually working or talking against the trend.'),(19131,20,1999600,2002570,'Boro','So that is, that is another problem.'),(19132,20,2003100,2013230,'Boro','And another problem is that we also have not been able to prepare many women leaders who can take the lead in the decision making process.'),(19133,20,2013250,2025497,'Boro','In our committee of course we have some women members, but still we feel that we need more and we have not been able to prepare them.'),(19134,20,2025497,2037803,'Boro','And yeah, we feel pity that the government still does not encourage this type of small development initiatives.'),(19135,20,2037803,2049110,'Boro','Government officials sometimes come to see our project and appreciate our work, but do not take any step to implement the idea elsewhere.'),(19136,20,2049110,2064020,'Boro','So, if the government would have taken or worked in this line, at least we could have done something.'),(19137,20,2065690,2067190,'Boro','We could work in other places.'),(19138,20,2067500,2074549,'Boro','Actually, we don\'t go to other villages and work, we inspire the people of other villages.'),(19139,20,2074829,2077939,'Boro','We go and support them and'),(19140,20,2080330,2086530,'Boro','yeah, because we don\'t go to other villages and start working there.'),(19141,20,2086630,2088590,'Boro','We don\'t expand that way.'),(19142,20,2088740,2098449,'Boro','We invite other people to come to our village, see the projects, stay with us and start in their own area in their own village.'),(19143,20,2099169,2103800,'Boro','So we always inspire them to take lead in their own work.'),(19144,20,2103840,2113360,'Boro','So that way we expand and yeah, . These are some of the major problems.'),(19145,20,2114519,2114939,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19146,20,2114949,2115479,'Suraj','Thank you.'),(19147,20,2115490,2125849,'Suraj','So as you told that story, I saw that there are a lot of different reactions from the community itself, from the government and so on.'),(19148,20,2127380,2131789,'Suraj','So you had already mentioned that you were influenced by Dr.'),(19149,20,2131809,2144820,'Suraj','Martin Kaempchen and I wonder if there are any other specific works or role models, thinkers, theories, schools of thought, people, communities that have influenced your work in thinking.'),(19150,20,2144870,2147520,'Suraj','And even if you want to tell us more about Dr.'),(19151,20,2147520,2148919,'Suraj','Kaempche’s ideas.'),(19152,20,2150149,2158420,'Suraj','How, who do you look to as sort of the people whose ideas you draw on or build on, or who have otherwise influenced you?'),(19153,20,2163800,2164350,'Boro','Yeah, Dr.'),(19154,20,2164350,2175030,'Boro','Martin actually was the first person who first triggered us with this idea.'),(19155,20,2175840,2182247,'Boro','And after that, we have visited so many schools throughout India in Jharkhand, even in south India, in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, even we went to Bangladesh.'),(19156,20,2182247,2193930,'Boro','I went with some of our teachers to visit this kind of special project, how they\'re working.'),(19157,20,2194950,2202920,'Boro','And yeah, they all are doing very good jobs in their own way.'),(19158,20,2203439,2218120,'Boro','But we didn\'t find anybody working among the Santals and with this method, with the community people, because we are actively involved with the community and we live in the people.'),(19159,20,2218740,2221789,'Boro','So I didn\'t, we didn\'t find that.'),(19160,20,2222470,2257050,'Boro','But when you talk about idea, I think I would say, Rabindranath Tagore because I studied in Shantiniketan and he believed learning from the nature and to work with the people, because he used to say that to do the development work, you don\'t, necessarily have to have money, or you have time.'),(19161,20,2257170,2269020,'Boro','That is not enough that you can do work with the people, but you have to have the right to work with them.'),(19162,20,2269200,2269510,NULL,'Boro:'),(19163,20,2270020,2272700,'Boro','Then only you can bring about changes.'),(19164,20,2274870,2282580,'Boro','He started one project in Sriniketan called Rural re-construction project many years ago.'),(19165,20,2283970,2304550,'Boro','He worked with the villagers, going to them with the new method of agriculture and it is this idea that inspired us to work towards development in keeping with their way of life.'),(19166,20,2312059,2318510,'Boro','Education should not be an alien thing rather it should be part of life.'),(19167,20,2318560,2329920,'Boro','If education cannot be related to everyday life, then education has no value.'),(19168,20,2330010,2339130,'Boro','People’s life, how they\'re living, they have to give importance to their life also.'),(19169,20,2340260,2341930,'Boro','And it\'s a long term process.'),(19170,20,2341930,2343580,'Boro','Even it takes generations.'),(19171,20,2344019,2351149,'Boro','Education, it\'s not a term bound project of three or six months or one year project.'),(19172,20,2351950,2358663,'Boro','So yeah, Tagore influenced us a lot.'),(19173,20,2359610,2360299,'Suraj','Thank you.'),(19174,20,2361470,2374400,'Suraj','So you have already talked a little bit about the reaction from government officials and from people outside of Santal communities may have these incorrect perceptions of the communities.'),(19175,20,2374410,2390790,'Suraj','So I wonder if you think about talking to educators and teachers and government officials outside of Santal communities, what do you feel they need to know about Santal communities or about Adibasi knowledge systems that maybe they don\'t know right now?'),(19176,20,2390810,2396789,'Suraj','What might need to change in their thinking about these communities for educators?'),(19177,20,2401389,2422610,'Boro','We feel that to work with the Santals I think one has to know the language, which is very important because through language you can connect with them immediately.'),(19178,20,2423530,2445140,'Boro','And the idea that we get from the main media or through the films or through the stories, and in most of the cases Santal life have been romanticized.'),(19179,20,2445940,2451600,'Boro','They work and live in the jungle, they drink rice wine, they dance all their life.'),(19180,20,2451610,2462400,'Boro','So this is how we have been portrayed in the films and this is what has been instilled in the general mindset, especially in the, I would say Bengali mindset.'),(19181,20,2463270,2473570,'Boro','So if somebody wants to work with them, he has to live with them, must learn their history, their...'),(19182,20,2474920,2475779,'Boro','Yeah, yeah.'),(19183,20,2476439,2478390,'Boro','Can you hear me now?'),(19184,20,2478770,2479170,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19185,20,2479170,2479930,'Suraj','I can hear you.'),(19186,20,2479950,2487390,'Suraj','I really appreciate your patience with this, you were talking about this romanticized view of Santal communities.'),(19187,20,2488840,2489410,'Boro','Yes.'),(19188,20,2489440,2505770,'Boro','And I think I would suggest that if the teachers and even the government can develop different method of teaching for the adivasi children, not only the santals.'),(19189,20,2505920,2516697,'Boro','Other tribes too, there are so many tribes Adivasis in India, I said more than 700 different tribes and they have their own different distinct language and culture.'),(19190,20,2516697,2517159,'Boro','Santal being the largest among them.'),(19191,20,2517909,2537900,'Boro','So we need a different method of teaching and teachers should be trained, especially to address the problems of the Santal children.'),(19192,20,2538719,2543000,'Boro','And there should be different teachers training center.'),(19193,20,2544020,2556060,'Boro','And there should be a different school because we are still 1% of total, more than 1% of Indian population, 10 million, more than 10 million.'),(19194,20,2556630,2578250,'Boro','So unless we set up a separate school with a separate method of teaching and different curriculum and schools through their mother tongue, because the language also carries forward the culture.'),(19195,20,2579870,2582260,'Boro','Without language, culture cannot survive.'),(19196,20,2583060,2597529,'Boro','So these other aspects we have to focus on and first the government has to realize that yes, these linguistic minority communities are having problems.'),(19197,20,2599009,2610310,'Boro','And until now I think these issues, these problems have not been addressed seriously, not from the government nor from any other agencies.'),(19198,20,2610380,2612119,'Boro','I don\'t see that.'),(19199,20,2612469,2629540,'Boro','Of course there are so many provisions given in the constitution, where in the beginning the linguistically minority children can learn through their mother tongue.'),(19200,20,2632340,2634360,'Boro','But that\'s not being implemented well.'),(19201,20,2636170,2649860,'Boro','So the problem still persists . And the government has to seriously look into this problem.'),(19202,20,2653210,2653670,'Suraj','Huh.'),(19203,20,2654080,2662090,'Suraj','So I will just to be respectful of your time, I\'ll take us through sort of the last few questions.'),(19204,20,2662100,2671430,'Suraj','So the first thing is that with everybody we\'ve been sitting with, we\'ve offered them an opportunity to talk about how COVID-19 has changed some of their work.'),(19205,20,2671740,2676350,'Suraj','And some people can have chosen to skip this question and some people answer it.'),(19206,20,2676350,2678000,'Suraj','So I want to give you the opportunity.'),(19207,20,2678230,2683589,'Suraj','If you have anything about COVID-19 in santal communities or how it shaped your work?'),(19208,20,2683610,2686150,'Suraj','I want to offer you that opportunity.'),(19209,20,2686570,2696869,'Boro','Well, COVID pandemic has affected our school and other development initiatives very badly, I should admit that.'),(19210,20,2697909,2726064,'Boro','And as if we have gone back to the time when we started our works, it took years and even a generation to develop the culture of going to school.'),(19211,20,2726064,2726384,'Boro','And also the mindset of the people , of the parents that education can bring changes for good.'),(19212,20,2726384,2728250,'Boro','So it took so many years to develop all this.'),(19213,20,2728930,2747650,'Boro','And now after the closure of schools, for nearly two years, the students have gone back to the profession of their parents, working in the fields, looking after their cows, goats and hunting birds and mice, catching fish and snakes.'),(19214,20,2748289,2755260,'Boro','So they have gone back to their own traditional life again, because that is also their comfort zone.'),(19215,20,2755270,2756409,'Boro','They feel very confident there.'),(19216,20,2756809,2783165,'Boro','And this pandemic strengthened their belief that it is the agricultural that actually supports them so much because people, those who were in the cities and towns, they lost their jobs and had no other source of income.'),(19217,20,2783165,2794130,'Boro','And so you know what happened in the cities and towns, but in the villages, those working in the fields continued working during this period also.'),(19218,20,2797340,2805360,'Boro','Of course, when restriction was eased a bit in between, they lived their normal life.'),(19219,20,2805520,2809293,'Boro','So in the villages, they also used to say, \"No, we are fine because this is the life, our way of life saved us from the pandemic\".'),(19220,20,2809293,2831750,'Boro','So this boosted their confidence and yes, the agricultural life is so important for us.'),(19221,20,2832610,2833850,'Boro','Yes, very important.'),(19222,20,2833860,2856200,'Boro','But at the same time, the education that we are talking about and the development through it, has been affected a lot,which is very sad.'),(19223,20,2856200,2857710,'Suraj','Thank you for sharing that.'),(19224,20,2858640,2865860,'Suraj','So I feel that this was, again, I appreciate you persevering through our technical difficulties.'),(19225,20,2865880,2869760,'Suraj','I feel that we got a good picture of your own experience.'),(19226,20,2869790,2877540,'Suraj','And then some of the initiatives you have set up to work with Santal children and how those have worked and what kinds of reactions people have had.'),(19227,20,2878150,2904490,'Suraj','I would like to offer you if there\'s anything else about either your work or your own experience doing this kind of teaching and education, or just in general, if there\'s things about Santal communities, Adivasi communities and education learning and teaching that we haven\'t had the chance to talk about, is there anything else you would like to address or add?'),(19228,20,2906540,2931425,'Boro','Yeah my personal realization is that, this development, work is also a part of the journey of my life as when the school gradually started growing, I too gradually grew up with it.'),(19229,20,2932060,2946920,'Boro','So it\'s development is also my development and through this project and through the different people, who are connected with this project.'),(19230,20,2948070,2953900,'Boro','And I think I have enriched myself a lot.'),(19231,20,2953980,2976503,'Boro','I had never known this life before , even though I am a Santal myself, but you\'ll never know better unless you are with the problems and you yourself are involved working in it.'),(19232,20,2976710,2982830,'Boro','So since I am throughout this journey, and this is not only my journey.'),(19233,20,2982850,2991820,'Boro','This is the life story of many of our team members, because many of us are working together for last 30 years.'),(19234,20,2992250,2993967,'Boro','So this is our life story also.'),(19235,20,2993967,2994340,'Boro','The story of our journey of life.'),(19236,20,3002320,3003390,'Suraj','Yeah, that\'s lovely.'),(19237,20,3003390,3005299,'Suraj','I appreciate that sentiment.'),(19238,20,3007659,3008279,'Suraj','Well, Mr.'),(19239,20,3008290,3011220,'Suraj','Boro, again, thank you so much for sitting with us.'),(19240,20,3011320,3015490,'Suraj','I feel that it has been very illuminating to hear about this work.'),(19241,20,3015790,3028550,'Suraj','And also some of the ways that you\'ve talked about education and culture, education is having to be not an alien thing, but some be rooted in one\'s own community and then grow outward.'),(19242,20,3028880,3034040,'Suraj','I think will really be some good food for thought for our listeners.'),(19243,20,3035249,3038500,'Suraj','And I recognize we\'ve had some technical difficulties today.'),(19244,20,3038500,3047740,'Suraj','So I really appreciate your participation even as you kept having to be kicked off and all, and not being able to see me.'),(19245,20,3047740,3051170,'Suraj','But I find this all very, very interesting.'),(19246,20,3051180,3053370,'Suraj','I\'m really appreciating the work you do.'),(19247,20,3053370,3057549,'Suraj','And the things that you\'ve shared today in terms of next steps.'),(19248,20,3057869,3064920,'Suraj','The first thing is, of course, as I mentioned in my email, we have a grant and we would love to pay you as a token of our appreciation.'),(19249,20,3065270,3074730,'Suraj','And so what I\'ll send, what I\'ll do is I\'ll send you a form and the ways we can pay you is either if you have an electronic account, like a PayPal or a Zelle, we can pay you that way.'),(19250,20,3075010,3093179,'Suraj','But if not, we can, we send a check and so do let us know which of those you\'d like, I\'ll send you a follow up, but if neither of those works, we can also look for another way, because we\'re quite committed to making sure that we express our gratitude to you taking the time.'),(19251,20,3093980,3105860,'Suraj','Also, what will happen now is we will transcribe the interview and we will wind up putting it on a website in the next, sometime in the next eight months or so before June.'),(19252,20,3106499,3114120,'Suraj','And we will email you that transcript and the video so that you have those copies for your records, but also you can look them over.'),(19253,20,3114120,3118779,'Suraj','And if there\'s anything you see that you say, \"Oh, well I wouldn\'t want that on the website.'),(19254,20,3118780,3119940,'Suraj','Maybe don\'t include that.\"'),(19255,20,3119940,3122660,'Suraj','We\'re of course happy to remove it.'),(19256,20,3122800,3124989,'Suraj','So really whatever works for you.'),(19257,20,3126110,3133950,'Suraj','And again, just really grateful for you taking the time on a Saturday night to sit with us and tell us about this really powerful work.'),(19258,20,3134079,3152990,'Suraj','Oh, also in that survey, what we\'ll do is, so I send you this follow up to give us your payment information, I\'ll also ask you in that survey for a brief biography and if there\'s any hyperlinks or information or programs that you\'d like listed alongside your interview.'),(19259,20,3153190,3156800,'Suraj','So already you sent me a lot of papers that I had read.'),(19260,20,3156980,3167020,'Suraj','So anything you\'d like to see listed alongside your interview, where our readers can read more about your work and about these communities and issues, feel free to include those as well.'),(19261,20,3168389,3168779,'Boro','Fine.'),(19262,20,3169040,3169410,'Boro','Fine.'),(19263,20,3171100,3171430,'Boro','Yeah.'),(19264,20,3171450,3172910,'Boro','Well thank you Suraj.'),(19265,20,3174540,3184020,'Boro','I think it was a very good discussion and it\'s a very enriching experience for me too.'),(19266,20,3185140,3190254,'Boro','And yeah, I think you just send me and I\'ll see.'),(19267,20,3190254,3197960,'Boro','And we are in contact, so that will be no problem.'),(19268,20,3198510,3199030,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19269,20,3199060,3199750,'Suraj','Perfect.'),(19270,20,3199800,3201259,'Suraj','Again, thank you so much.'),(19271,20,3201280,3202499,'Suraj','I really appreciate this.'),(19272,20,3202499,3217650,'Suraj','And this has been a very, very illuminating part of our interviews and I will of course follow up and send the subsequent information and throughout if you write anything new or you think of anything, of course, feel free to email me.'),(19273,20,3218650,3219960,'Suraj','Again, really appreciate it.'),(19274,20,3219960,3221280,'Suraj','And it\'s really nice to meet you.'),(19275,20,3222499,3223629,'Boro','Okay, good.'),(19276,20,3224340,3224779,'Boro','Thank you.'),(19277,20,3224889,3226060,'Boro','Thank you so much Suraj.'),(19278,20,3226150,3226540,'Suraj','Okay.'),(19279,20,3226570,3227250,'Suraj','Thank you.'),(19280,20,3227700,3229180,'Boro','Okay, bye.'),(19281,20,3230050,3230360,'Suraj','Bye.'),(19282,20,3230690,3230810,'Boro','Bye.'),(19283,20,3230810,3230820,'Boro','Bye.'),(19284,10,50,590,'Suraj','all right.'),(19285,10,609,2650,'Suraj','Well, just a little bit about me.'),(19286,10,2650,9490,'Suraj','I\'m Suraj Uttamchandani, I\'m a postdoc at Indiana University, and I\'ve been working on this project with my colleagues, Deborah Dutta.'),(19287,10,12220,20580,'Suraj','Deborah Dutta who finished in Learning Sciences at Homi Bhabha, Vishesh Kumar at Wisconsin, Madison and Gayatri Jayathirtha at UPenn.'),(19288,10,20809,32500,'Suraj','The purpose of this project is we felt that in the learning sciences, there\'s just such a Western lens, and we have this grant to basically try and offer some other lenses.'),(19289,10,32509,52279,'Suraj','So our goal is to interview a wide variety of people just about their work and help create this space for learning scientists both Indian and non-Indian learning scientists to engage with ways that people are thinking about learning and education and equity in India and around the world, rather than simply in these North American contexts.'),(19290,10,52529,55319,'Suraj','That\'s the goal of the conversation.'),(19291,10,57479,78560,'Suraj','Just a little bit about me, especially for this interview, my dissertation work was with LGBTQ+ youth who were here in the State of Indiana who were trying to get their schools to be more LGBTQ+ inclusive and I was interested in how those youth asserted their own dignity, how they taught teachers about LGBTQ+ issues.'),(19292,10,78880,91030,'Suraj','I feel quite a lot of people actually have recommended chatting with you and I\'ve had the opportunity to read some of your work and I\'m really excited personally to also learn a little bit more about how you think about these kinds of issues.'),(19293,10,92989,94549,'Suraj','I\'ll read this formal text.'),(19294,10,94830,100160,'Suraj','\"In this interview, we are simply interested in hearing about your perspectives, practices and experiences.'),(19295,10,100220,107750,'Suraj','In our larger project we will examine patterns and differences and how a variety of researchers have explored teaching and learning in diverse Indian contexts.'),(19296,10,108149,114320,'Suraj','Importantly, we want to deeply consider a wide variety of sociocultural groups and center educational equity in this work.'),(19297,10,114720,128719,'Suraj','In this spirit, we actively seek perspectives from minoritized groups and connections to important equity issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ rights, sexism, religious discrimination, indigenous epistemology and colonization.'),(19298,10,129289,143459,'Suraj','I also wanted to mention before we start Chayanika that I know you\'ve written quite a lot on these topics, so if at any point you\'d like to say, feel free to consult such and such writing I did on this topic, please feel free to do so and we can refer our audience to those pieces.'),(19299,10,144710,145199,'Suraj','All right.'),(19300,10,145210,152100,'Suraj','So before we dive in, perhaps you could just briefly introduce yourself with whatever information you\'d like to share.'),(19301,10,152770,153130,'Chayanika','Yeah.'),(19302,10,154020,156759,'Chayanika','So I\'m Chayanika Shah, I\'m based in Bombay.'),(19303,10,157109,169080,'Chayanika','Currently I\'m a retired lecturer and an independent researcher interested in issues of education and communication.'),(19304,10,169090,181609,'Chayanika','Yeah, I also have been very active in queer and feminism activism in Bombay and in India on many issues.'),(19305,10,182069,184480,'Chayanika','So we can talk about them as we go along.'),(19306,10,185150,185330,'Suraj','Great.'),(19307,10,186040,186550,'Chayanika','That\'s about it.'),(19308,10,187400,188360,'Suraj','Super, thank you.'),(19309,10,189140,194060,'Suraj','So before we get into those issues, I wanted to clarify the vocabulary we use.'),(19310,10,194170,199770,'Suraj','I tend to use the phrase LGBTQ+ or sometimes queer to refer to these communities.'),(19311,10,200200,204520,'Suraj','What terms do you like to use when you\'re talking about these spaces and these communities?'),(19312,10,206350,218769,'Chayanika','Actually I also flip between the two in the sense that for me queer is more about the politics of questioning norms of gender and sexuality.'),(19313,10,219189,220459,'Chayanika','Especially sexuality.'),(19314,10,222310,233109,'Chayanika','I would use LGBTQIA+ when I\'m speaking of organizing, which is more along lines of assimilation.'),(19315,10,233120,236643,'Chayanika','When I\'m talking of transformation then I use queer.'),(19316,10,236643,242260,'Chayanika','So I would call myself a queer person and a person who has queer politics.'),(19317,10,242260,248409,'Chayanika','But all organizing does not necessarily have a queer politics.'),(19318,10,248419,258480,'Chayanika','Sometimes one might refer to it as LGBTIQ+, which is recognizing the multiple ways in which people are there, including them.'),(19319,10,258910,265360,'Chayanika','But in politics also, it stops short at just inclusion.'),(19320,10,265910,272750,'Chayanika','And facilitating inclusion, but not really moving towards transforming the ways in which things are being done.'),(19321,10,273510,284139,'Chayanika','So I made that distinction and personally I identify queer now, of course my journey begins with identifying bisexual, lesbian and coming to queer.'),(19322,10,284209,301522,'Chayanika','Also, as we understand the meaning of what being queer means, that I take this on as a descriptor for myself, because yes I do not necessarily desire only cis women or women per se.'),(19323,10,301670,316610,'Chayanika','Then the descriptor for the self also has become queer over a period of time, as you define more and more, who is this woman that I am feeling attracted to, that my definition of myself has also shifted.'),(19324,10,319010,319759,'Suraj','Thank you for that.'),(19325,10,319760,330710,'Suraj','I think that\'s a really helpful way to talk about some of the differences between those terms, but also that we can use both of them, depending on what we\'re trying to talk about.'),(19326,10,332310,335490,'Suraj','Maybe we can talk a little bit about your long term journey.'),(19327,10,336239,349850,'Suraj','If I understand your biography correctly, your graduate studies were in physics and over time you became quite focused on feminist and LGBTQ+ experiences in science and also in the activist realm.'),(19328,10,350540,362069,'Suraj','I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about what motivated you to either shift that focus or if it doesn\'t make sense to talk about it as a shift, but rather some other way, tell us a little bit about that story?'),(19329,10,367759,367789,'Chayanika','Sure.'),(19330,10,367789,374200,'Chayanika','As my life has been very long, it becomes difficult to actually talk about them, but let me condense it in a manner.'),(19331,10,376090,382100,'Chayanika','Yes, I started with doing my graduation, post graduation and my doctorate in physics.'),(19332,10,382100,394070,'Chayanika','As I was doing my PhD, I think this is from 1979 to \'85 is when I was actively involved in finishing my research.'),(19333,10,394610,402219,'Chayanika','That is the time that a city like Bombay saw the growth of the feminist collectives of this phase.'),(19334,10,404100,417030,'Chayanika','So reviving of the feminist movements in the 1980s happened at around the same time as I came to Bombay to do my masters and my PhD program.'),(19335,10,417180,426770,'Chayanika','These days I recognized it more and more that it was also a time immediately after the emergency, I had just entered adulthood and I came to the city.'),(19336,10,427239,429733,'Chayanika','The city was a city that also made me who I am.'),(19337,10,429733,444509,'Chayanika','I want to mark that in some manner, because in my time here, the city has moved from being a worker city to a service and finance city, and that also has meant a lot of change in the external environment.'),(19338,10,445299,464770,'Chayanika','But when I came in was a time when the emergency has just ended, there were lots of movements that were happening on the ground around me, and that influenced me in my time in the university to get acquainted with many struggles.'),(19339,10,464780,472059,'Chayanika','I came from a very middle class, very safe cocooned so-called non-political family.'),(19340,10,474490,483410,'Chayanika','I\'m a second generation learner, so it\'s not like we had a lot of support from there in terms of ... Education was something that parents encouraged.'),(19341,10,483430,488159,'Chayanika','But in other understanding, we were very, very mainstream.'),(19342,10,488170,495870,'Chayanika','So the university expanded that arena for me completely and changed my outlook to the world.'),(19343,10,496460,503540,'Chayanika','So by gaining understanding of physics and my gaining understanding of the world happened simultaneously.'),(19344,10,503550,514530,'Chayanika','The PhD program probably extended by a year or so, because I was doing both these things and neglecting one for the other obviously.'),(19345,10,514890,529459,'Chayanika','So by the time I finished my PhD, I also recognized a dissonance of some sorts with the world of theory physics, and the world that I was inhabiting outside.'),(19346,10,532650,543391,'Chayanika','At that time I did not recognize it as much about me being a woman in science or a queer person in science, but it was more about my own outlook of the world did not match.'),(19347,10,543391,543394,'Chayanika','So there were these two separate worlds that I was inhabiting.'),(19348,10,543394,546040,'Chayanika','One that was a world which was detached from the real world that was going around, and one did not see the connections between these.'),(19349,10,558949,570850,'Chayanika','It also seemed like doing physics meant giving up this real world, which was also seeming very fascinating to me and which also I felt compelled to engage with.'),(19350,10,571800,592560,'Chayanika','I think I made a difficult choice at that time to say that I will not do research in physics, I\'ll continue to teach physics and take some time off to do other things, because there is a perception that if you have to do research, then you have to be singular-minded, and I think I\'ve written some of this in my journey, in the EPW.'),(19351,10,592560,610739,'Chayanika','There\'s a set of six essays that were put together by Gita Chadha and Asha Achuthan which talk of people in physics, biology and mathematics, two people from each of these domains talking about their journeys.'),(19352,10,610750,623939,'Chayanika','In that I indicate that this monogamous relationship was not something that I could handle and probably it\'s reflective, but in retrospect, I can say that.'),(19353,10,624520,632180,'Chayanika','But it was truly that it also questions the concept of the genius, the concept of who can do good physics.'),(19354,10,632559,635650,'Chayanika','So all of these things played a role.'),(19355,10,635670,636770,'Chayanika','I thought I was not good enough.'),(19356,10,637140,642980,'Chayanika','So it was better if I continued with my love for physics and my involvement in physics by teaching it.'),(19357,10,645590,647870,'Chayanika','I wanted to stay in teaching right from childhood.'),(19358,10,648180,649380,'Chayanika','I like teaching.'),(19359,10,650280,652560,'Chayanika','I chose to do that.'),(19360,10,652569,656530,'Chayanika','That meant a shift actually in my career it meant a shift.'),(19361,10,657110,661420,'Chayanika','I then moved and then because I did not want to do research, I did not even go in the university.'),(19362,10,661800,663280,'Chayanika','I went into a college.'),(19363,10,664120,668819,'Chayanika','And because I had chosen Bombay then the college also, wherever I got a job, I took a job.'),(19364,10,668829,673150,'Chayanika','In fact in retrospect, again that seems like a good decision.'),(19365,10,673199,697040,'Chayanika','Because, I came in touch with a lot of students who were first generation learners, and that over the 20 years that I was teaching, I kept questioning the meaning of teaching physics to this set of people, who are not going to continue in physics, who probably were going to take on other lives, and what does it mean then to teach physics to this set of students?'),(19366,10,697620,701849,'Chayanika','And how do I give them something that they carry with them?'),(19367,10,701849,702287,'Chayanika','Although all our syllabi seem to indicate that we want to make physicists, right?'),(19368,10,702287,714569,'Chayanika','We are training people to become physicists, and that was not something that most people do.'),(19369,10,715529,721199,'Chayanika','It also led me to question what kind of physics needs to be taught and how it needs to be taught.'),(19370,10,721899,729849,'Chayanika','I think that when you look back then you see these trajectories obviously when they were happening, there\'s nothing conscious that was going on.'),(19371,10,730999,742839,'Chayanika','Alongside in the \'80s, in the mid \'80s in Bombay and other places, there was a very strong people’s science movement that was also happening at the same time.'),(19372,10,744750,750290,'Chayanika','Science was being engaged with by people\'s movements in the \'80s and the \'90s.'),(19373,10,750530,756050,'Chayanika','But that was more from the point of view of looking at science making it more accessible to many people.'),(19374,10,757459,780489,'Chayanika','In the same context, I got involved with a Science Teaching Program, which was run in Madhya Pradesh in Hoshangabad District and other places around there, which is known as the Hoshangabad Science Teaching Program, which again, tried to teach science differently to students who came from rural, tribal and small-town backgrounds.'),(19375,10,781120,786639,'Chayanika','So that was also a new way of thinking about science, thinking about science and science teaching.'),(19376,10,786959,793819,'Chayanika','But that was at the school level, and I was peripherally involved, but that started a process of thinking about education.'),(19377,10,793829,806679,'Chayanika','Because, when you went in with one subject, you actually encountered the whole public education system, and you understood what is the possibility within that education system, to intervene.'),(19378,10,807209,810210,'Chayanika','I taught in a college which was also a state-funded college, and this program was also run in state-funded schools.'),(19379,10,816170,825529,'Chayanika','That meant that you were talking to students who came from very marginalized backgrounds and constantly the question was how to teach and what to teach.'),(19380,10,826130,829280,'Chayanika','I think both of these influenced my understanding of education.'),(19381,10,830089,843879,'Chayanika','Alongside of course, was my activism which was in the area of women\'s movements that moved slowly to queer organizing that moved ... Over the years, all of this became part of me.'),(19382,10,845149,855219,'Chayanika','So it\'s only after about 20, 25 years that I see these different parts of me coming together when I look at education.'),(19383,10,855279,864390,'Chayanika','So it is not like I\'ve just been a teacher and I speak of education from there, or I\'ve just been somebody who\'s an activist and is looking at education issue from there.'),(19384,10,864739,872949,'Chayanika','It is all of these parts coming together to address the issue of education, which is my last research work.'),(19385,10,873250,881939,'Chayanika','And we can talk about it more later, but that\'s my most concrete work on education that finally has happened in the last three, four years.'),(19386,10,882959,883981,'Chayanika','Before that it\'s just been more experiential.'),(19387,10,883981,890119,'Chayanika','It\'s not been in terms of working input.'),(19388,10,891839,892399,'Chayanika','Does that answer your question?'),(19389,10,892609,892799,'Suraj','Yes.'),(19390,10,893390,895660,'Suraj','I really appreciate that answer.'),(19391,10,896060,903640,'Suraj','Hearing your story and I love hearing people\'s stories of this, what motivated them, we see the role of Bombay.'),(19392,10,903640,908619,'Suraj','We see these feminist movements, we see the influence of the people science and the college teaching.'),(19393,10,908620,912179,'Suraj','And we get so much of that really rich history influencing us.'),(19394,10,912179,913050,'Suraj','And of course, you\'re right.'),(19395,10,913060,917789,'Suraj','Like now in retrospect, we can see all of these threads and at the time you\'re just living.'),(19396,10,921049,922909,'Suraj','It reminds me of my own stories.'),(19397,10,922920,929939,'Suraj','So my undergraduate studies was in math and I started graduate school with an interest in math education.'),(19398,10,930069,943600,'Suraj','While I was in graduate school, I shifted my interest to be in these more activist spaces, because I was asking these questions about why are we teaching mathematics and to whom and what would it mean to diversify mathematics?'),(19399,10,943959,945280,'Suraj','Some of these questions were.'),(19400,10,946310,959009,'Suraj','If anything now I feel ... it\'s not about me, it\'s about you, but now I feel like, \"Oh, now I feel ready to come back to math now that I feel like I have a better sense of what else was happening.\"'),(19401,10,959069,959430,'Suraj','You know?'),(19402,10,959449,959469,'Chayanika','Yeah.'),(19403,10,961479,966709,'Suraj','I really appreciated that story and feel free to reminisce any further as we continue talking.'),(19404,10,967050,974109,'Suraj','But now let\'s talk about that last, you mentioned these last few years, some of that education work.'),(19405,10,974109,979290,'Suraj','So if you could tell us about that last few years, that work that you\'re calling this culminating work.'),(19406,10,979520,991310,'Suraj','If you could just tell us a little bit about it, maybe what have you been up to, and if there\'s a particular theory, method, goal, context, whatever it is how you would characterize that research?'),(19407,10,992689,1004060,'Chayanika','So I did two or three strands that have happened in the last 12, 13 years, and I actually stopped teaching in 2008.'),(19408,10,1004060,1009449,'Chayanika','I took what is called voluntary retirement.'),(19409,10,1009449,1011929,'Chayanika','So in India, we had that possibility at some point.'),(19410,10,1011930,1018289,'Chayanika','I don\'t think it exists anymore, that you retired after 20 years and you could get a pension after that.'),(19411,10,1019259,1025089,'Chayanika','I made sure that I had an income continuing after that, and I retired.'),(19412,10,1025089,1030390,'Chayanika','In the last 12 years, I\'ve done two or three kinds of things.'),(19413,10,1030560,1046469,'Chayanika','One is that looking at science itself with a feminist lens, which is something that has been a thread which has been going on in my head since I was doing my PhD.'),(19414,10,1047349,1057220,'Chayanika','I was in IIT Bombay and we had a lovely library and the library also had in some corner, some books written by feminists on critiques of science.'),(19415,10,1057800,1061380,'Chayanika','This way back in the \'80s and we found those books and read them.'),(19416,10,1062560,1066880,'Chayanika','Also, because you\'re newly becoming a feminist and you want to take that to everything about you.'),(19417,10,1066900,1074570,'Chayanika','So you looked at feminist studies of science and you looked at Sarah Harding and you looked at Evelyne Fox Keller.'),(19418,10,1075149,1078120,'Chayanika','Those were the two that I clearly remember from that time on.'),(19419,10,1079710,1085650,'Chayanika','So this is something that\'s been an ongoing ... something that you keep reading and thinking about.'),(19420,10,1085980,1089150,'Chayanika','You don\'t have that many people around you who are doing similar things.'),(19421,10,1090070,1092640,'Chayanika','So you don\'t have a community with whom you can talk about it.'),(19422,10,1093670,1095199,'Chayanika','I\'m talking about the \'80s and \'90s.'),(19423,10,1095209,1111049,'Chayanika','So obviously there were a couple of us, three, four of us who connected with each other, and in the process I met this sociologist Gita Chadha who did a PhD in sociology of science.'),(19424,10,1111569,1119650,'Chayanika','And we then worked together and there was a new women\'s studies program that was coming up in Tata Institute of Social Sciences.'),(19425,10,1120250,1127050,'Chayanika','And they said we want to put a course on feminist studies of science, or feminist science studies as we called it.'),(19426,10,1127060,1132190,'Chayanika','So we designed the course and we taught it for one year and it\'s been a course that runs.'),(19427,10,1132840,1134140,'Suraj','This is in the late \'80s?'),(19428,10,1134140,1134870,'Chayanika','No.'),(19429,10,1135600,1136669,'Chayanika','This now, after-'),(19430,10,1138010,1139440,'Suraj','[crosstalk] quite recently.'),(19431,10,1139630,1141182,'Chayanika','2008, yeah.'),(19432,10,1141182,1142330,'Chayanika','2008 is when the program began.'),(19433,10,1144030,1145940,'Chayanika','They did a course on feminist science studies.'),(19434,10,1145940,1156740,'Chayanika','I think the first [women’s studies] program in India which had a science studies course and in the first run of it, we had both of us simultaneously co-teaching it.'),(19435,10,1157150,1162280,'Chayanika','So there\'s a sociologist and a scientist teaching the course together and that made it very interesting.'),(19436,10,1162280,1177110,'Chayanika','It made us also think more, learn more, understand more where the sociology is coming from, where other social science people actually coming to natural science and where do the natural sciences go along with this social science.'),(19437,10,1177180,1188470,'Chayanika','So I think that from then on we\'ve modified that for different sets of people and many of them are natural scientists, smaller groups.'),(19438,10,1188899,1201550,'Chayanika','So try to talk to different sets of people about why it is important to do feminist critiques of science and how does one integrate it into understanding science itself.'),(19439,10,1202100,1221879,'Chayanika','So this has been one strand, and I see this as a strand in science education, to actually bring the feminist lens to women\'s studies, social scientists, and natural scientists, all of them because each is actually unaware of this critique as much as the other.'),(19440,10,1222859,1234370,'Chayanika','Even within the humanities in India for a long time the only critique of science that has been very dominant, which also links back to the people’s science movement, is a Marxist critique and a postcolonial critique.'),(19441,10,1234370,1268750,'Chayanika','But a feminist critique has not been really homegrown here in spite of the fact that we\'ve had people like Vandana Shiva talk about it and others, but the nuances with which we can talk about a feminist critique of science, has not been paid as much attention, so it was interesting to bring it first into women\'s studies program and then take it in different ways to different places and today I think in the last 10 years, there are many programs that have come up and there are many courses that have come up at least.'),(19442,10,1269159,1277290,'Chayanika','So in science teaching programs, you have a critique, and in women\'s studies programs, you have the feminist science studies course.'),(19443,10,1277600,1281320,'Chayanika','So there is some integration that is attempted and is happening.'),(19444,10,1282470,1283500,'Chayanika','That\'s one strand.'),(19445,10,1283590,1285220,'Chayanika','The second was actually-'),(19446,10,1285630,1286315,'Suraj','That is fascinating.'),(19447,10,1286950,1300309,'Chayanika','The second was again in TISS they started an elementary education master\'s program and that they looked at education as a discipline, not really teaching.'),(19448,10,1300310,1304210,'Chayanika','So up until then in India, what we had was B.Ed.'),(19449,10,1304310,1305490,'Chayanika','and M.Ed.'),(19450,10,1305950,1311079,'Chayanika','We have bachelors in education, master\'s in education, basically teachers being trained to teach.'),(19451,10,1312389,1315610,'Chayanika','In the 2000s there was a shift to start B.Ed.'),(19452,10,1315610,1316480,'Chayanika','in elementary education.'),(19453,10,1317110,1327700,'Chayanika','There was a first program I think in Delhi which was a bachelor\'s in elementary education, which actually made education as a discipline and trained people to come into it.'),(19454,10,1329010,1344120,'Chayanika','The only other program that I know and I may not be really understanding the whole scene is the Homi Bhabha Center For Science Education in Bombay, which was okay in science education, but their interest was more in how to teach science better.'),(19455,10,1344650,1352779,'Chayanika','I think that issues of science and society were there, but they were not in the way that we were critiquing it.'),(19456,10,1352830,1354830,'Chayanika','And they\'re still not being integrated.'),(19457,10,1355140,1358970,'Chayanika','Slowly I think changes are happening there as well.'),(19458,10,1359630,1367600,'Chayanika','The TISS program started as a master\'s in elementary education, and they offered an optional course on science education.'),(19459,10,1369370,1377340,'Chayanika','Which we then… in that we brought in many of these ideas of how to teach and why to teach and what to teach in science.'),(19460,10,1377390,1385740,'Chayanika','So that I think I taught for almost seven years, it was a course again I co-taught with many people, there were bits and parts to it.'),(19461,10,1385740,1395030,'Chayanika','But one component that I was involved with continuously for the seven years, was actually talking about why should you teach science and what is the need to teach?'),(19462,10,1395200,1397270,'Chayanika','And when you teach what is that you should teach.'),(19463,10,1397660,1406340,'Chayanika','So that is one engagement in education which has happened in the second thing.'),(19464,10,1406350,1409850,'Chayanika','The last was a very different space that it came from.'),(19465,10,1409850,1417760,'Chayanika','It came from a research that we did and I was part of this collective LABIA.'),(19466,10,1417870,1420000,'Chayanika','Which is a queer feminist LBT collective.'),(19467,10,1421479,1431230,'Chayanika','As part of that collective, we did the study in 2009 to 2013, which was actually understanding gender.'),(19468,10,1431330,1432980,'Chayanika','So it came from a very different place.'),(19469,10,1433510,1447410,'Chayanika','We were trying to talk to those assigned female at birth across the country, some 50 qualitative interviews, talking to them to understand how did they comprehend their gender and how did they live it?'),(19470,10,1448290,1454369,'Chayanika','From there start understanding what is the meaning of gender as we understand it to date.'),(19471,10,1455790,1467060,'Chayanika','From there, we brought out that book which is ... I\'m now forgetting the name of my own book, the ... No Outlaws in the Gender Galaxy, right?'),(19472,10,1467950,1469770,'Chayanika','That\'s a book that\'s published by Zubaan.'),(19473,10,1472080,1479879,'Chayanika','That largely speaks about gender and the various ways in which it impacts parts of our life.'),(19474,10,1480510,1491239,'Chayanika','But one thing that stood out really in that conversation for us, when we looked at childhood experiences, was that one side was the family, and the second side was the school.'),(19475,10,1491829,1509320,'Chayanika','That there were two important sites in the life of a person, and both of them could actually be the reason for which I could grow up confident in my skin and in my identity, or I could be completely demolished by it, right?'),(19476,10,1509320,1526800,'Chayanika','And for most people, the second is what happened, whether it is home or school, that it really, it completely broke me [one] down so much that many a times people had to quit school and it was not possible to continue in school.'),(19477,10,1527470,1533884,'Chayanika','There were these rare stories that we heard over there in which that home was a difficult place to be and school became a refuge.'),(19478,10,1533884,1541209,'Chayanika','I don\'t remember a single story where the home was a refuge and the school was a horrible space.'),(19479,10,1545480,1553330,'Chayanika','For many people, both were horrible spaces and they navigated it somehow if they completed school completely.'),(19480,10,1554230,1559350,'Chayanika','We had not imagined that it would be such an important part of the narrative.'),(19481,10,1559380,1570740,'Chayanika','One was school and the other was sports and sports in India is mostly associated with childhood, adults don\'t have sports as such, unless they become sports people.'),(19482,10,1571370,1594320,'Chayanika','So, this very interesting bit that people who are queer or trans, for them sports was one arena, especially if they were assigned female at birth, and this is completely distinct experiences for those assigned male and those assigned female that you found a space which allowed you to wear what you wanted.'),(19483,10,1594540,1596537,'Chayanika','It allowed you to cut off your hair.'),(19484,10,1596609,1605589,'Chayanika','It allowed you to be out, it allowed you to meet many people, travel, be on your own and meet many other queer people.'),(19485,10,1606099,1614810,'Chayanika','So I think it was a very important space, which you suddenly lost when you became this 17, 18 year old and moved out.'),(19486,10,1615160,1617070,'Chayanika','And then there was no such space left for you.'),(19487,10,1622030,1633899,'Chayanika','All these three spaces exist together, the sports arena, that there were many of our respondents who were actually state level and national level players.'),(19488,10,1634679,1636259,'Chayanika','So they were very good players.'),(19489,10,1636550,1645550,'Chayanika','Some of them continued to be sports teachers, or they became physiotherapists in the sports there, or somehow, some of them, they started a gym.'),(19490,10,1645560,1651260,'Chayanika','So in some sense, they kept that connection, but many of them lost it after they left from there.'),(19491,10,1651270,1657463,'Chayanika','So these three things actually brought home this whole idea of schooling, schooling into gender that the home and the school are both teaching you and making you normative people in this world.'),(19492,10,1657463,1687836,'Chayanika','At the same time, the small things you heard about what helped, also indicated that the very small things that schools can do, which can allow for children to be more comfortable in identifying their gender and sexuality actually.'),(19493,10,1687836,1692339,'Chayanika','So this was one very big learning for us from that study.'),(19494,10,1694090,1716190,'Chayanika','Then the next study that I took up, which was the final one, which is on looking at discrimination based on marginalized gender and sexuality, and this came about actually after the 2013 judgment that went on 377, which is criminalizing homosexuality.'),(19495,10,1716790,1722850,'Chayanika','Like in 2009, we got decriminalized, 2013 we got recriminalized.'),(19496,10,1722850,1727619,'Chayanika','At least some sexual activity got recriminalized.'),(19497,10,1728219,1746260,'Chayanika','And while that case was going on and everything else was happening, we felt that there is need to talk about other things as well, because in the queer circles we\'ve been continuously saying that just getting decriminalized is not taking us anywhere, and we were to start articulating what is it that we want.'),(19498,10,1746700,1760449,'Chayanika','And one of the things that we\'ve been talking about since the late \'90s is actually talking about anti discrimination laws, as a step to think about how do we protect our rights as queer and trans people.'),(19499,10,1760449,1774910,'Chayanika','Around 2015 when some of us got together and we thought about what does discrimination mean actually for identities that are invisible?'),(19500,10,1775410,1777900,'Chayanika','For identities that are self chosen?'),(19501,10,1778939,1781900,'Chayanika','How would discrimination be identified?'),(19502,10,1781900,1789030,'Chayanika','Because so far we\'ve spoken of caste, we\'ve spoken of gender, we\'ve spoken of disability, which are [often] visible identities or assigned identities from childhood.'),(19503,10,1794760,1803489,'Chayanika','So if I\'m a woman, it is something ... As a cis woman, it\'s something I\'ve been assigned and it\'s not questioned by me or by society.'),(19504,10,1804480,1813579,'Chayanika','Then I\'m not trying to prove who I am to you, you are reading me as a woman and you are misbehaving, you\'re discriminating, you are violating.'),(19505,10,1814599,1820319,'Chayanika','There is a description of all of that, but there is no need to describe who I am.'),(19506,10,1820909,1836260,'Chayanika','That is when I\'m coming to somebody queer and trans, then there is a second layer added to it, because I am invisible at some level, I am not actually out to you, but you are reading that I\'m queer and you are discriminating.'),(19507,10,1837279,1839894,'Chayanika','I am in a very gray zone of discrimination.'),(19508,10,1840049,1854414,'Chayanika','I\'m not actually able to ... And in a place where, till 2018, till we actually until the NALSA judgment came, they\'re not recognized identities.'),(19509,10,1855140,1855642,'Chayanika','So how do you navigate them?'),(19510,10,1855649,1860590,'Chayanika','How do you navigate the existing discrimination?'),(19511,10,1860590,1863140,'Chayanika','And we felt that what we needed to do was actually map.'),(19512,10,1863740,1865440,'Chayanika','Map what discrimination means.'),(19513,10,1866650,1873920,'Chayanika','Talk about the everyday, talk about what it means really to be a queer person navigating the world at large.'),(19514,10,1874510,1881860,'Chayanika','So that was a multi city study in which different teams took up different areas.'),(19515,10,1882000,1892570,'Chayanika','So there were some two teams working on health, one working on housing, one working on public spaces, one working on political organizing.'),(19516,10,1892969,1896780,'Chayanika','And what we were working on was on education.'),(19517,10,1897660,1906382,'Chayanika','Within the education, we then chose to take higher education because, since 2014, I think India has seen a lot of mobilizing in universities.'),(19518,10,1906382,1912740,'Chayanika','Both these things are happening simultaneously.'),(19519,10,1913470,1929509,'Chayanika','That public education is getting completely eroded consciously by the state, which means that a lot of communities that have just entered university education, are already being denied in.'),(19520,10,1930139,1936200,'Chayanika','That they\'re already given very substandard education or good education is being denied to them.'),(19521,10,1936330,1937190,'Chayanika','That\'s one part.'),(19522,10,1937930,1945589,'Chayanika','The second is that any political mobilizing on campuses is becoming very, very difficult, is being attacked.'),(19523,10,1946610,1958420,'Chayanika','Which means that if I look back at my life, I think that if that period of time had not happened in the campus, when I could get politicized I would be a very different human being.'),(19524,10,1959110,1966769,'Chayanika','So for me, it is a very important part of a campus that, that\'s the only time in our [adult] life when probably you\'re away from the real world.'),(19525,10,1967539,1976880,'Chayanika','In a smaller space where the real world is very present, but it at least allows you a chance to live your life slightly differently.'),(19526,10,1977840,1979839,'Chayanika','As a queer person I think it\'s critical.'),(19527,10,1980100,1985200,'Chayanika','It\'s critical how that space is made, especially higher education.'),(19528,10,1987470,1993059,'Chayanika','We concentrated on higher education and looking at discrimination there in this study.'),(19529,10,1993599,1997287,'Chayanika','Again, there are multiple parts of it, only one has been published very recently.'),(19530,10,1997287,2002620,'Chayanika','I can tell you what were the different parts.'),(19531,10,2003950,2006170,'Chayanika','You want to ask anything right now or should I just go on?'),(19532,10,2006490,2008300,'Suraj','No, this is super.'),(19533,10,2008400,2009090,'Suraj','Please continue.'),(19534,10,2009660,2010010,'Chayanika','Okay.'),(19535,10,2012029,2014269,'Chayanika','So we had some four or five different parts.'),(19536,10,2014590,2017360,'Chayanika','In one, we wanted to continue with the school story.'),(19537,10,2017959,2025240,'Chayanika','So since the earliest study that I was part of, which was with LABIA, we had looked at those assigned female.'),(19538,10,2025990,2040010,'Chayanika','We decided that now we\'ll talk to a few people who are assigned male and look at diversity of genders, but try and understand their journey in education and not look at anything else the journey in education.'),(19539,10,2040540,2042630,'Chayanika','So they have to have reached higher education.'),(19540,10,2042899,2044700,'Chayanika','That was one of the criteria that we put.'),(19541,10,2045780,2052389,'Chayanika','To look at how school is working and how higher education is working and if there is any difference in these two narratives.'),(19542,10,2053259,2056480,'Chayanika','Then lots of differences we can talk about it a little more later.'),(19543,10,2056549,2061149,'Chayanika','The second was actually talking to queer groups.'),(19544,10,2061629,2086989,'Chayanika','Because in the last 10 years, I think that every big campus has had a queer group or a queer organization come up on campus for students and to talk to them and talk to other marginalizations of caste students from marginalized caste, organizing themselves, women organizing themselves, which has become a rare site on campuses now.'),(19545,10,2087359,2090677,'Chayanika','You never see women\'s groups on campus.'),(19546,10,2090677,2094290,'Chayanika','You see queer groups, you see anti caste groups but you don\'t see women\'s groups.'),(19547,10,2097279,2105939,'Chayanika','If there are any, so talk to them to understand what discrimination means, what do they feel on this campus, et cetera, so that was a second.'),(19548,10,2107039,2111189,'Chayanika','The third was actually talk to teachers, who are queer themselves.'),(19549,10,2111190,2121980,'Chayanika','To understand what does it mean to be from a margin and yet be this person in part in the classroom, in the staffroom, in the campus with the syllabus.'),(19550,10,2122169,2124079,'Chayanika','So what is it that you manage to do?'),(19551,10,2124149,2128310,'Chayanika','What is it that you don\'t manage to do?'),(19552,10,2128310,2131829,'Chayanika','We had a wonderful discussion and we hope to bring out a book, but I don\'t think my collaborators are helping me in putting it down.'),(19553,10,2134160,2142020,'Chayanika','So if it happens, it is good, but if it does not, then at least one will write something about that discussion because it is a very rich discussion.'),(19554,10,2143910,2145300,'Chayanika','Then look at policies.'),(19555,10,2145310,2155470,'Chayanika','So one of the policies that is in place regarding discrimination is the sexual harassment policy.'),(19556,10,2155720,2162379,'Chayanika','Most campuses, I think the spaces where the sexual harassment policy has really worked are campuses.'),(19557,10,2163359,2166870,'Chayanika','Because there is an in-house….'),(19558,10,2168200,2172140,'Chayanika','students and teachers who are wanting it to happen, wanting it to make it work.'),(19559,10,2172710,2176369,'Chayanika','So some of that experience to see how we can address discrimination.'),(19560,10,2176759,2180399,'Chayanika','If this is one model, then is this a model from where we can draw?'),(19561,10,2180660,2184709,'Chayanika','If we\'re looking at another system, if we\'re looking at all discrimination.'),(19562,10,2185629,2206580,'Chayanika','So that was one and finally one was done just on a whim because I lived in this campus of IIT which was ... Again in retrospect, I think it was strangely structured, today I see it as the student\'s area was basically the men\'s student\'s area.'),(19563,10,2207259,2216500,'Chayanika','And the women students had one hostel, which was far away from that student area, and on the other side of the campus.'),(19564,10,2217600,2221379,'Chayanika','I looked at all the five IITs to begin with and all of them had this structure.'),(19565,10,2222000,2232238,'Chayanika','So then that gave me an idea to look at planning and design of campuses to see how in the design itself some of us are excluded.'),(19566,10,2232238,2238819,'Chayanika','So we looked at five campuses, one IIT Bombay which was technology.'),(19567,10,2238859,2240860,'Chayanika','One was management, IIM Ahmedabad.'),(19568,10,2240890,2244350,'Chayanika','So we took all the cream of institutions.'),(19569,10,2245399,2250579,'Chayanika','Tata Institute of Social Sciences, National Institute of Design and National Law School, Bangalore.'),(19570,10,2251120,2254950,'Chayanika','So we looked at these five campuses and that book has just come out last month.'),(19571,10,2255669,2259309,'Chayanika','It\'s published by Yoda and it is Space, Segregation, Discrimination.'),(19572,10,2260600,2268355,'Chayanika','So it\'s looking at how, in our imagination of a university, we are creating the center.'),(19573,10,2268540,2274419,'Chayanika','We are creating who the space is for and in the process, excluding many others.'),(19574,10,2274419,2277119,'Chayanika','And there\'s subtle ways of doing it.'),(19575,10,2277970,2298500,'Chayanika','The hostels are very obvious and they\'ve been talked about a lot, but where you locate them, what architecture you make for them, and in that milieu now, if you have queer and trans people going in such a segregated gender-segregated space, what does it mean for these students?'),(19576,10,2298870,2313250,'Chayanika','What does it mean for a trans woman who does not have an official identity as a woman yet, who takes admission to an institution like this and who goes to the boys\' hostels because that\'s where she\'s allotted space?'),(19577,10,2313850,2318869,'Chayanika','And the boys\' hostels are one space that breed toxic masculinity.'),(19578,10,2319390,2320819,'Chayanika','What does it do to this person?'),(19579,10,2321399,2323779,'Chayanika','Is a question that one needs to answer.'),(19580,10,2325310,2339369,'Chayanika','Along with that, how does caste work in… disability is something that we always ... that\'s where we talk about access and that\'s where we talk about inclusion, so that\'s been an ongoing debate, but we have not looked at these other angles.'),(19581,10,2339369,2342769,'Chayanika','So how do we look at queer, trans gender issues?'),(19582,10,2342779,2343829,'Chayanika','How do we look at caste?'),(19583,10,2343879,2344669,'Chayanika','How do we look at….'),(19584,10,2345810,2347240,'Chayanika','in plan and design itself?'),(19585,10,2347589,2355209,'Chayanika','I think that that\'s a very preliminary based level study, but it has a lot of possibilities of thinking.'),(19586,10,2355629,2364220,'Chayanika','Although on the one hand, you\'re talking of this and you\'re dreaming of this, that there is a possibility of doing things differently.'),(19587,10,2364799,2374420,'Chayanika','Because while we were doing this, TISS created this one wing which was gender neutral in a hostel, there was conversation on gender neutral toilets.'),(19588,10,2375140,2378470,'Chayanika','Much of this is happening as our study was going along.'),(19589,10,2379029,2394780,'Chayanika','But on the other hand, there\'s active repression, there\'s active finishing off of campus cultures, finishing off of any political activity on campuses in the same time period.'),(19590,10,2394790,2401879,'Chayanika','It is an interesting time to actually look at higher education and understand, and we can come to that.'),(19591,10,2401910,2416954,'Chayanika','Next, understand how queer organizing is being located within the higher education spaces and gaining ground there, while all progressive organizing is actually taking a back seat more and more.'),(19592,10,2417069,2425170,'Suraj','Yeah, that is very interesting, all of that, and just zooming back a little bit, one clarifying question.'),(19593,10,2425170,2444840,'Suraj','So this latest project where you were interviewing people around various campuses, I know that the built environment project was at these five campuses, but were all of these interviews with various professors, students, et cetera at one particular campus or around the whole country?'),(19594,10,2447100,2448390,'Chayanika','So it\'s selective.'),(19595,10,2448589,2452700,'Chayanika','The first set of qualitative interviews with those assigned male.'),(19596,10,2453350,2457560,'Chayanika','We did it in Bombay primarily, and Kolkata was the second site.'),(19597,10,2459310,2464549,'Chayanika','We took more trans people from Kolkata and men identifying people from Bombay.'),(19598,10,2467200,2471549,'Chayanika','But a lot of people that we spoke to in Bombay in particular were all migrants.'),(19599,10,2472120,2475249,'Chayanika','So actually they came with experiences from all over the country.'),(19600,10,2475770,2478670,'Chayanika','From different parts of the country at least.'),(19601,10,2478920,2483669,'Chayanika','The teachers also came mainly from big cities, mainly from Bombay and Delhi.'),(19602,10,2484299,2485410,'Chayanika','Hyderabad maybe.'),(19603,10,2487120,2490447,'Chayanika','But it is very city-based.'),(19604,10,2490447,2499990,'Chayanika','The only non-city experience comes with the people who are talking to us, because they\'ve grown up in smaller towns and smaller villages.'),(19605,10,2500689,2505030,'Chayanika','Which I think is also a problem with higher education, that it is more urban.'),(19606,10,2505279,2517500,'Chayanika','It is located in urban locations, but also because of where we were and what kind of time crunch we had, we were particularly concentrating on big cities.'),(19607,10,2518230,2518490,'Suraj','Sure.'),(19608,10,2518930,2522719,'Chayanika','We also don\'t have tier two experiences to talk of.'),(19609,10,2523190,2525009,'Chayanika','We have not been able to look at private institutions.'),(19610,10,2525430,2528359,'Chayanika','That\'s not something that we\'ve looked at, which is a whole new arena and a whole new thing that has come up.'),(19611,10,2528359,2543749,'Chayanika','We\'ve not looked at a lot of coaching classes, which I think is another hotbed where I think most education today is happening more there than in the colleges.'),(19612,10,2545169,2553740,'Chayanika','There is a whole thing of coaching classes in India which is a subculture of education, which nobody is looking at because it\'s not regulated.'),(19613,10,2553740,2563970,'Chayanika','It\'s nothing, it exists and there is a crass amount of money that is being spent on it and it’s a business model it\'s a lot of money.'),(19614,10,2564859,2567420,'Chayanika','Which is beyond all our narratives of education.'),(19615,10,2569009,2569453,'Chayanika','All of that we are aware of.'),(19616,10,2569453,2573900,'Chayanika','But yeah, this is more about big cities and big campuses.'),(19617,10,2575489,2581100,'Chayanika','One of the reasons that we chose more elite campuses also, we look at places where things are happening.'),(19618,10,2582750,2594239,'Chayanika','If I go to a smaller town and city, I\'m sure that it is much more difficult for the queer trans student there to talk about their own self.'),(19619,10,2594419,2598400,'Chayanika','And we heard it in the narratives that people brought to us.'),(19620,10,2598609,2607870,'Chayanika','That they\'ve done some education in some place and they\'ve come to this big city or this big campus, and they are bringing in that narrative here, or even the teachers.'),(19621,10,2608589,2617930,'Chayanika','Many of us grew up in smaller towns and did our primary education in their school, and the undergrad education there and then moved on somewhere else.'),(19622,10,2618940,2619970,'Chayanika','So it\'s like that.'),(19623,10,2621759,2639540,'Suraj','It is delightful to hear these three strands after having talked so much about your own development as a physics graduate student and these other influences, because you can see each of those influences from that time period now impacting some project of yours.'),(19624,10,2639750,2642890,'Suraj','So there\'s a nice story to be told there.'),(19625,10,2643230,2653830,'Suraj','So I think you can speak this next question to any of those projects, the science education, sociology of science or this queer activism one that we were talking a bit more about.'),(19626,10,2654230,2672430,'Suraj','I\'m wondering if there\'s anything that you could think of that either surprised or intrigued you that you weren\'t expecting to learn in this last few projects or, if you prefer, you might say something that really was challenging or unexpected or difficult about trying to do this work?'),(19627,10,2674109,2677770,'Chayanika','I think I alluded to both these a bit in the earlier bit.'),(19628,10,2679450,2711499,'Chayanika','For example, when we are talking to what I mentioned earlier, that when you\'re talking to queer people, how important was school as an institution in my becoming the queer and trans person is something that was ... The degree of importance was surprising, that what the school meant to me as an individual, because I personally did not think of my sexuality and gender when I was in school.'),(19629,10,2712089,2713169,'Chayanika','I thought of it later.'),(19630,10,2714210,2720770,'Chayanika','I didn\'t have that personal experience, and many of us had comfortable childhoods to not have that experience.'),(19631,10,2721310,2738739,'Chayanika','So our respondents gave us a variety of experiences that came from there and also the intersections of class and caste and where you come from with this was another ... it just stares you in the face.'),(19632,10,2738789,2740329,'Chayanika','You cannot ignore it.'),(19633,10,2741350,2752889,'Chayanika','You may have it in the back of your mind, but if you listen carefully then it all comes to you when you are talking to people.'),(19634,10,2752889,2758059,'Chayanika','So it\'s not a surprise, but it is something that you don\'t actively think about it.'),(19635,10,2758069,2768229,'Chayanika','But when you talk to people then it becomes an active thought, that you cannot talk of a queer person as just a queer person, you are talking of many locations that that person is coming from.'),(19636,10,2769549,2791240,'Chayanika','So you see this and I think that\'s what qualitative narratives do, that they bring to you a whole person and so you think of the issue in very complex manners, which again it feeds into my understanding of natural science, that this is not appreciated by natural scientists.'),(19637,10,2791310,2801460,'Chayanika','This contribution from the social scientist too, the enterprise of knowledge is not really appreciated within natural science, which wants numbers to prove everything.'),(19638,10,2801460,2811259,'Chayanika','Also the complex manner in which you need to talk about it is something that one has to appreciate and learn as we go along.'),(19639,10,2811620,2833490,'Chayanika','But coming back to the question, I think what has been a challenge really over the last project in particular is this ... again, there is a dissonance on what we are thinking and what we are imagining university campuses to be, and what they\'re becoming.'),(19640,10,2836669,2846860,'Chayanika','It\'s totally because of decisions that this country has made some years ago in terms of liberalizing of various kinds, in terms of globalizing of the economy.'),(19641,10,2847479,2850060,'Chayanika','Privatizing of every aspect of our lives.'),(19642,10,2850060,2857750,'Chayanika','And we\'re seeing more and more of it happening every day almost.'),(19643,10,2857830,2866370,'Chayanika','At some level, the giving up of the constitution at different levels, the authoritarianism, the majoritarianism, the regime that exists today.'),(19644,10,2866379,2882279,'Chayanika','It actually is something that does not encourage the understanding of a university and higher education, in which we are imagining these projects also.'),(19645,10,2883160,2891315,'Chayanika','So there\'s a very, very great dissonance and it doesn\'t sit well because campuses are transforming in front of your eyes.'),(19646,10,2892330,2897320,'Chayanika','Campuses that you have worked with, that you\'ve looked at with hope are becoming very different today.'),(19647,10,2901750,2915309,'Chayanika','If I look at Pinjra Tod which is the formation that has come up in Delhi in particular and many other universities, which is again, women students talking about not being locked inside their hostels.'),(19648,10,2916560,2924190,'Chayanika','Which is a battle that I fought with my fellow students in 1979 in IIT Bombay.'),(19649,10,2924220,2940970,'Chayanika','It is something that was our first so-called feminist action, that we wanted to change the name of a hostel from ladies\' hostel to Hostel 10 because every other host was called all hostel one to nine and so we called ourselves Hostel 10.'),(19650,10,2941299,2942560,'Chayanika','We didn\'t want to be marked separately.'),(19651,10,2942560,2945202,'Chayanika','We didn\'t want these rules.'),(19652,10,2945202,2950109,NULL,'We had to come back at 10:00 and be locked inside the hostel, we broke those rules.'),(19653,10,2950460,2956019,'Chayanika','We were not allowed visitors in, men could not enter the hostels and we changed those rules.'),(19654,10,2956249,2966660,'Chayanika','So we did all that at that time, and I can\'t imagine any hostel today, any campus today, allowing its students to do that for its own hostel.'),(19655,10,2967350,2969753,'Chayanika','Pinjra Tod is a very good example.'),(19656,10,2969839,2971609,'Chayanika','As they began with talking about this.'),(19657,10,2971660,2975710,'Chayanika','Of course, when you begin from there, you will land in many other questions.'),(19658,10,2976299,2977720,'Chayanika','I can see it in my own life.'),(19659,10,2977750,2982119,'Chayanika','I began with that question, and I see where that questioning has led.'),(19660,10,2982500,2984470,'Chayanika','So Pinjra Tod is an example of that.'),(19661,10,2984819,2989900,'Chayanika','But today, look at the repression, look at the ways in which this is not being allowed.'),(19662,10,2990629,3014430,'Chayanika','How do then you have a imagination of the queer and trans, when everything is stepping backwards to becoming normative in ways that it was not, how do we talk of non-normativity in these times is a very, very difficult point, and yet this is the time when more and more people are talking about what non-normative ism can be.'),(19663,10,3015160,3015350,'Suraj','Right.'),(19664,10,3015839,3028109,'Chayanika','So it is a challenge how to match these two worlds with each other and not keep them in that microcosm of urban upper class, upper caste space.'),(19665,10,3028700,3030900,'Chayanika','But how do you take it across?'),(19666,10,3030980,3036669,'Chayanika','How do you take it across various identities and talk about in the more nuanced manner?'),(19667,10,3037220,3038919,'Chayanika','So I find that very challenging.'),(19668,10,3039200,3043172,'Chayanika','I found it very distressing actually to work on this project because, you keep saying things and you feel that none of this is going to happen, because the world seems to not be going towards that.'),(19669,10,3043172,3048346,'Chayanika','But you still want to leave a record that these are the kinds of things that people are talking about.'),(19670,10,3048346,3060919,'Chayanika','These are kinds of things that were happening at the same time while everything else was happening.'),(19671,10,3062259,3062720,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19672,10,3064200,3068520,'Suraj','I think there are so many of these paradoxes, right?'),(19673,10,3068960,3085839,'Suraj','In ways that the university is both becoming more open to non-normativity and more closed off that it\'s a place where people go and they meet new types of people who they would not have met before, but also they confirm their own biases and get set up for such and such career.'),(19674,10,3085850,3089450,'Suraj','It is a strange space in that way.'),(19675,10,3090509,3117689,'Suraj','Thinking with that, several times now you\'ve mentioned this idea that school is a site where LGBTQ+ children feel particularly influenced, and that you\'ve also mentioned that there are a few ways that schools maybe even small things, big things, a few ways that schools can become more inclusive or healthier environments for LGBTQ+ kids.'),(19676,10,3118190,3136770,'Suraj','If I\'m hearing about your projects with this sociology of science, working with natural scientists, and then this activist project, I might say, what do you try and tell your natural sciences students, your natural sciences colleagues about the role of schools and LGBTQ+ youth development.'),(19677,10,3136770,3144290,'Suraj','So to put that question another way, what do you think everybody, educators needs to know about LGBTQ+ students in India?'),(19678,10,3147640,3161770,'Chayanika','I would say that actually for anybody ... the project that the schools do is of making these “good boys” and “good girls”.'),(19679,10,3161950,3168939,'Chayanika','That project itself is flawed.'),(19680,10,3168949,3171280,'Chayanika','What is this good is very different for boys and girls.'),(19681,10,3171910,3173579,'Chayanika','So you question what is good.'),(19682,10,3174539,3177759,'Chayanika','And then you think of what is it that you want the person to become.'),(19683,10,3178870,3187749,'Chayanika','What is it that you want this person to acquire while being in school?'),(19684,10,3187749,3189439,'Chayanika','Do you want them to acquire the narratives of ... and there\'s a whole feminism, right?'),(19685,10,3189859,3198410,'Chayanika','That you want to make a good girl out of everybody is a narrative that we\'ve questioned, feminists have questioned for very long.'),(19686,10,3198569,3206730,'Chayanika','That do you want her to be this submissive, whatever that kind of a person or you want her to be adventurous moving out?'),(19687,10,3207230,3208660,'Chayanika','We\'re just going a step further.'),(19688,10,3209339,3211740,'Chayanika','That who\'s this “girl” and who\'s this “boy”?'),(19689,10,3212020,3220274,'Chayanika','And that why are you imposing that you are a girl and you are a boy, when actually it would not matter.'),(19690,10,3220649,3230720,'Chayanika','It does not matter who they are or what they are by imposing so many gender norms.'),(19691,10,3231299,3241749,'Chayanika','You actually are underlining and making it more and more difficult for anybody to not be identified as boy or girl.'),(19692,10,3242520,3257060,'Chayanika','I look at some of the feminist struggles of not having long hair, of not wearing skirts, of wearing trousers, of going on the sports field and doing what I want to do.'),(19693,10,3260430,3271310,'Chayanika','Look back at the feminist movements and our struggles, and in trying to gain space for women actually, we also went and underline that ... This is the larger view of the feminist movement.'),(19694,10,3272029,3277520,'Chayanika','Also went and underlined that we\'ve been caught in this duality.'),(19695,10,3277960,3285140,'Chayanika','On the one hand you don\'t want to be labeled woman, and on the other hand you are asking for something special as women.'),(19696,10,3285170,3293320,'Chayanika','So there is this dichotomy, which we\'ve been battling with all along, and there\'s a reality.'),(19697,10,3293950,3299884,'Chayanika','There\'s a reality that if there\'s a co-ed school, girls will not be sent to school.'),(19698,10,3299884,3306669,'Chayanika','You ask for women\'s schools, you ask for girls\' schools, you ask for separate schools, you ask for girls\' common room boys\' common room.'),(19699,10,3306919,3317580,'Chayanika','You ask for safety for girls, and in this safety language, we\'ve actually underlined gender much more, and I\'m not saying that it\'s not needed.'),(19700,10,3317940,3325029,'Chayanika','I\'m still not very confident to say that girls and boys is the category that has to be given up.'),(19701,10,3325069,3330900,'Chayanika','I\'m not saying that, but in some spaces, maybe we have to give it up.'),(19702,10,3331759,3333729,'Chayanika','Maybe we have to give up some of these things.'),(19703,10,3333809,3339270,'Chayanika','If you have say gender neutral uniform, right?'),(19704,10,3339600,3342683,'Chayanika','In some schools they try that, it usually is a pant and a shirt.'),(19705,10,3342683,3347359,'Chayanika','A gender neutral uniform is usually a pant and a shirt.'),(19706,10,3347839,3351589,'Chayanika','The question that we are asking now is, why?'),(19707,10,3351680,3355149,'Chayanika','Why should a gender neutral uniform be a pant and a shirt?'),(19708,10,3355710,3362370,'Chayanika','Why should the liberty to cut hair be for girls, but growing of hair should not be a possibility for boys.'),(19709,10,3363120,3363569,'Chayanika','This is the thing.'),(19710,10,3363850,3367649,'Chayanika','So why is this underlining of gender happening?'),(19711,10,3368189,3375359,'Chayanika','Why can\'t we have some three sets of things, anybody can wear what they want, what they feel comfortable in and come with that.'),(19712,10,3375830,3384213,'Chayanika','Why can\'t we not have to continuously underline that this is boys and this is girls?'),(19713,10,3384213,3386969,'Chayanika','Can\'t schools be made safe spaces at least?'),(19714,10,3387669,3397099,'Chayanika','Smaller spaces like homes where also we encourage that you don\'t bring up children as boys and girls try and make them rounded people.'),(19715,10,3397569,3399969,'Chayanika','Similarly, can schools also address that?'),(19716,10,3400609,3418094,'Chayanika','They are simple things, very simple things for children, allow them to do whatever they want to do, allow them to study what they want to study, and allow them to have hair of whatever length that they want.'),(19717,10,3418094,3418842,'Chayanika','I think very critical, very critical, allow them to wear what they want.'),(19718,10,3418899,3427000,'Chayanika','So if you do even these small things, it is such a big learning for everyone.'),(19719,10,3427690,3431939,'Chayanika','It is such a big learning for teachers, such a big learning for students.'),(19720,10,3431939,3437129,'Chayanika','It is such a big learning and these are small things, which can make a difference.'),(19721,10,3438720,3444589,'Chayanika','Which is what in higher education you turn to say that, \"Okay, we are not saying that remove women\'s hostels.\"'),(19722,10,3444950,3449220,'Chayanika','Because if you remove women\'s hostels a lot of women will not be able to come to universities.'),(19723,10,3449560,3451250,'Chayanika','If everything becomes gender neutral.'),(19724,10,3451600,3454480,'Chayanika','But can we have a mix of gender neutral and gender specific?'),(19725,10,3455700,3456920,'Chayanika','Can we do this?'),(19726,10,3456920,3464529,'Chayanika','Can we have facilities that are gender neutral and facilities that are gender specific as a stop gap in between?'),(19727,10,3465200,3469350,'Chayanika','Can we allow people to choose where they want to go?'),(19728,10,3469580,3482679,'Chayanika','Can we stop being police men, police women, and stop people from deciding who can go where and who cannot go where?'),(19729,10,3483249,3488469,'Chayanika','In schools also, the second thing that we realized was that teachers are very critical.'),(19730,10,3488529,3494770,'Chayanika','At that time, one teacher in that whole school could change your work.'),(19731,10,3494989,3505773,'Chayanika','As much as that one teacher could be sexually abusing and make you hate the subject for life, similarly there could be one teacher who could reach out to you in a way that made you feel affirmed, that made you feel good, that made feel that you can continue in this world.'),(19732,10,3505773,3506111,'Chayanika','I think that teachers are very critical.'),(19733,10,3506160,3527029,'Chayanika','Thirdly, in our study, especially with girls, what we see is, a lot of romance that happens between girls.'),(19734,10,3530479,3536329,'Chayanika','At adolescence suddenly, there is much more monitoring of girls and their behaviors with each other.'),(19735,10,3538009,3547720,'Chayanika','For boys in fact, there is a extent of bullying, which at least in our interview we did not hear that much in the so-called girls narratives.'),(19736,10,3547720,3551319,'Chayanika','The bullying was not as present.'),(19737,10,3551640,3560949,'Chayanika','So if I was a transgressive person and I was assigned female, my peers looked up to me more.'),(19738,10,3561790,3570089,'Chayanika','They did not bully me, but if I was a transgendered person assigned male, then I had to find ways to cope with it.'),(19739,10,3570539,3575839,'Chayanika','This is a stark difference between growing up as a boy and growing up as a girl'),(19740,10,3576299,3579950,'Chayanika','Or being read as a boy and being read as a girl in India at least.'),(19741,10,3579950,3584019,'Chayanika','I don\'t know if this extends world over, but in India for sure.'),(19742,10,3584120,3586130,'Chayanika','This is very, very marked.'),(19743,10,3589420,3609419,'Chayanika','The ways in which that bullying then progresses to become bullying of girls is also very evident, that the practice begins with boys, practice begins with peer, and this is something that I think all boys will speak of.'),(19744,10,3609419,3622129,'Chayanika','It\'s not necessarily queer and trans I think all boys will speak of, any mannerism, anything which was seen as different, how it was punished by peers.'),(19745,10,3622959,3625629,'Chayanika','I think this is something that at least girls are spared.'),(19746,10,3625629,3640580,'Chayanika','[In case of girls] The punishment from peers is not as much till you reach the stage when you actually start writing love letters to each other, and then you\'re caught, because the narrative there is also not of sex, it\'s more of love.'),(19747,10,3640950,3644810,'Chayanika','It\'s more of drawing the red hearts and giving the pink balloons.'),(19748,10,3645140,3664339,'Chayanika','That narrative when you reach there, you might have peer violence also, or you at least have people going behind your back and telling your family or telling the teacher to become this favorite ... You\'ll have all of that, but you don\'t have the violence that boys face.'),(19749,10,3664980,3676969,'Chayanika','Either at home or in ... home maybe there is some violence that girls also face but, from peers, the violence that boys face is not heard off for girls.'),(19750,10,3677230,3677560,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19751,10,3678490,3680740,'Chayanika','I don\'t know why people are not paying attention to it.'),(19752,10,3681480,3684839,'Chayanika','What is this masculinity that is being generated from school?'),(19753,10,3685460,3685830,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19754,10,3685830,3687920,'Chayanika','What is this ... Pardon?'),(19755,10,3688390,3701700,'Suraj','I feel that idea, this idea that now is increasingly people have this language of toxic masculinity is this generalization of the phenomenon you\'re talking about with adolescence.'),(19756,10,3703149,3704277,'Chayanika','But it starts very early.'),(19757,10,3704519,3705729,'Chayanika','It starts very, very early.'),(19758,10,3706250,3706550,'Suraj','Right.'),(19759,10,3706899,3711609,'Chayanika','Then how are we surprised that these boys are treating these girls in the manner that they do when they grow up?'),(19760,10,3712080,3712350,'Suraj','Right.'),(19761,10,3713649,3716950,'Chayanika','I think that we\'ve not paid enough attention.'),(19762,10,3716950,3729093,'Chayanika','We\'ve not paid enough attention to schooling and its impact on gendering and its impact on creating this heterosexuality.'),(19763,10,3729093,3735209,'Chayanika','Especially in this context of India where you keep the sexes separate so that there is no desire, right?'),(19764,10,3735210,3745269,'Chayanika','And that is something that for many years we\'ve been saying that if you have women together, then you don\'t imagine sex, when there is a boy and a girl together, then you don\'t imagine anything other than sex.'),(19765,10,3745549,3755950,'Chayanika','So it is this notion of sex and security also, which is so rampant that you won\'t even allow friendships, you won\'t allow people to just be with each other and walk around.'),(19766,10,3756989,3757980,'Chayanika','Of course things change.'),(19767,10,3759380,3764990,'Chayanika','First things are moving and things are different slightly now, but at heart, I don\'t think it shifts so much.'),(19768,10,3765439,3769020,'Chayanika','I don\'t think this notion ... So this is heterosexuality.'),(19769,10,3769490,3786190,'Chayanika','When I am trained from childhood to be only with girls and not allowed to interact with boys because this is what is going to happen if I interact with boys, I think this is a lot of that happening in schools, which needs to be addressed.'),(19770,10,3786480,3798583,'Chayanika','So we may get in and we may talk of children who are coming out as queer and trans, and we may have more and more of them, but we have to question what is the normative heterosexuality also that we are constructing?'),(19771,10,3798583,3798728,'Chayanika','Maybe this cis man or a cis woman or cis boy or cis girl.'),(19772,10,3798728,3811560,'Chayanika','I may not have any gender dysphoria as a child.'),(19773,10,3812230,3815701,'Chayanika','But, what is this gendering that is happening?'),(19774,10,3815979,3816309,'Suraj','Right.'),(19775,10,3816499,3826560,'Chayanika','Is something that has to be done at the school level, very consciously so that all of us become different kinds of people.'),(19776,10,3826560,3831019,'Chayanika','In that atmosphere, that is what I call a queer transformation.'),(19777,10,3831019,3837920,'Chayanika','Just accepting that, \"Okay, there can be some of us who are queer and some of us who are trans and some of us who are straight.\"'),(19778,10,3838149,3852209,'Chayanika','Is one different goal, but more than that, how does accepting queer and trans people change my understanding of normative gender and sexuality is very crucial.'),(19779,10,3852470,3868470,'Chayanika','If it does not shift any of that, if it does not shift that I can be a boy of any kind and still be a boy, or be a cis man and have varied gender expressions, or gender roles or gender whatever, that becomes normative.'),(19780,10,3869340,3878029,'Chayanika','There is no transformation and there\'s just inclusion and there\'s just redoing the same with a different gender and sexuality person.'),(19781,10,3880830,3891560,'Chayanika','And that possibility exists if we start thinking at the school level, if you start thinking in education, we have to start thinking from the school level to higher education.'),(19782,10,3893450,3894020,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19783,10,3894680,3896529,'Suraj','I really appreciate what you\'ve just said.'),(19784,10,3896529,3906230,'Suraj','It nicely captures some of these, the tensions and the possibilities for a more gender-expansive and free education.'),(19785,10,3907729,3912140,'Suraj','Out of respect for your time I\'ll just move us through our last few questions here.'),(19786,10,3912299,3917029,'Suraj','So you\'ve already mentioned, this is a big change, not really new question.'),(19787,10,3917230,3933600,'Suraj','You\'ve already mentioned a few of the thinkers you read when you were first learning feminist studies of science, but I\'m curious about other kinds of role models or theoretical theories, schools of thought that have influenced you.'),(19788,10,3934080,3943620,'Suraj','Part of why we\'re asking this question is to get a feel for how are scholars around the world thinking about these issues beyond the very standard people who are held up as the.'),(19789,10,3946899,3947879,'Suraj','Yeah, end of question.'),(19790,10,3947949,3958070,'Chayanika','So I think it\'s a difficult question for me because I would say that a lot of my learning has come from people.'),(19791,10,3958070,3960339,'Chayanika','From people that I have interacted with.'),(19792,10,3964329,4000680,'Chayanika','Less from ... and even in queer circles it\'s from the work that organizations have done and work that we have done together that that influences me much more than actually ... For example the very trans people that we met over the last 20, 25 years, they have built our understanding of gender much more than ... I\'m sure that reading also has helped but, primarily it has been people who have forced one to think differently.'),(19793,10,4001339,4012189,'Chayanika','Because I jump from one discipline to the other, my reading is not that deep in any one area, that it is coincidental what you read.'),(19794,10,4013779,4051179,'Chayanika','So it\'s not a planned reading in some sense, but I think a lot of trans thinkers, the people that I mentioned in the trans feminist anthologies, people in the present times, a lot of younger Dalit writers on Round Table India, on things like this which we don\'t look at in academia, who I may not completely agree with, but I think that they teach me a lot.'),(19795,10,4052049,4062270,'Chayanika','They teach me a lot ... and I think anti-caste work, Ambedkarite and Periyarite thinking is critical to an exercise in education.'),(19796,10,4062710,4066554,'Chayanika','That we cannot move fully Ambedkar, Periyar is something that we have to take with us when you\'re talking of inclusion in education.'),(19797,10,4066554,4066888,'Chayanika','Al least in the Indian context.'),(19798,10,4066888,4066944,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19799,10,4067000,4067666,'Chayanika','We might have learned a lot.'),(19800,10,4067666,4096618,'Chayanika','Might have learned a lot from those writings, especially Ambedkar and from the younger scholars who are writing on these various platforms which are social platforms or virtual platforms that are available now, who are educating us on how does one understand education really?'),(19801,10,4096618,4109354,'Chayanika','Because while we talk more about queer and trans people, I think that the axe is really falling on people from marginalized castes.'),(19802,10,4109354,4122350,'Chayanika','This is the time when they\'re becoming, it\'s possibly the second generation that\'s entered higher education, or maybe the first generation that has managed to enter higher education.'),(19803,10,4122350,4127499,'Chayanika','They\'re just about to find their feet here and just about to alter discourses.'),(19804,10,4128729,4143529,'Chayanika','And there is this sudden attack on them, starting from the Rohith Vemula incident, the struggle before that in HCU and all the various campuses that has happened after.'),(19805,10,4144419,4152700,'Chayanika','I think that caste has been one major learning and all anti-caste writing I think has been a major learning in anti-caste struggles.'),(19806,10,4153800,4158569,'Chayanika','So the Ambedkar APPSCs in various campuses, what they put out.'),(19807,10,4159290,4174220,'Chayanika','I am saying that all of this writing, which is coming through the activism of these groups in these campuses is very educative about what is the status of the education system, especially in higher education.'),(19808,10,4174220,4187560,'Chayanika','So I want to mark that as one of the big educators, the second one is around disability, which I find still, I haven\'t read enough but I would like to read more.'),(19809,10,4187670,4220970,'Chayanika','I\'d like to understand more, especially in science education because, I don\'t think we\'re paying attention to any issues of disability in terms of ... how do you learn science if you don\'t use all your senses is something that one will have to talk much more about, because it is so much practical and it is theory, it is actually doing things, it is seeing things, it is smelling things, it is touching things.'),(19810,10,4221340,4224800,'Chayanika','So how do you replace this?'),(19811,10,4224800,4232893,'Chayanika','How do you understand knowledges that get generated when different senses play different roles is an area that one is watching.'),(19812,10,4233059,4247280,'Chayanika','But yeah, [apart from this] the languages of disability activism, who are questioning the notion of ability, are also very critical to the enterprise of education, which is always on merit.'),(19813,10,4247770,4255330,'Chayanika','Most caste and disability, give us a new way to understand success, to understand merit, to understand ability.'),(19814,10,4255340,4265860,'Chayanika','I think that these are critical, these schools of thought, which are bringing in new ways of understanding merit, ability, success.'),(19815,10,4265860,4270969,'Chayanika','Success of course comes from the queer language as well.'),(19816,10,4271300,4274860,'Chayanika','All of these, what does failure mean and what does success mean?'),(19817,10,4275790,4277050,'Chayanika','Comes from the queer language.'),(19818,10,4277050,4279200,'Chayanika','The queer theory of failure.'),(19819,10,4279440,4285410,'Chayanika','All of this is something that ... I think that these are very critical to education.'),(19820,10,4286080,4287276,'Suraj','Yeah, I really appreciate-'),(19821,10,4287276,4295080,'Chayanika','[crosstalk] and I think caste and race, which could be in addition in India as well.'),(19822,10,4295090,4311970,'Chayanika','Race is another thing that we need to talk about, which we don\'t do as much, and it has, we\'ve been looking at these incidents of institutional murders of students in campuses, medical colleges.'),(19823,10,4311980,4321502,'Chayanika','The last one that happened in Bombay was of Payal Tadvi who was an adivasi doctor who was forced to kill herself.'),(19824,10,4321502,4324591,'Chayanika','You have to think of what is it that we are creating here in terms of success and merit.'),(19825,10,4324591,4324740,'Suraj','Right.'),(19826,10,4324740,4344537,'Chayanika','I do think I want to mark these three areas from where people have come and especially all young scholars that are coming up now that are talking about it in different ways.'),(19827,10,4344567,4353757,'Chayanika','Maybe they\'re not established, maybe they\'re not known, but they\'re writing in a lot of these spaces, which have influenced me a lot over the last few years.'),(19828,10,4354737,4357427,'Suraj','That is a lovely and informative answer.'),(19829,10,4358437,4361747,'Suraj','Again I\'ll just work us through our last few questions here to close up time.'),(19830,10,4362017,4374157,'Suraj','So my next question was about feminist theories and queer theories and you and your email back said, this will probably come up and I think that we have had the opportunity to talk about both of those things-'),(19831,10,4374157,4383327,'Chayanika','only one thing I said that actually I find ... my feminism from the \'80s and my feminism today is a sea change.'),(19832,10,4385767,4396257,'Chayanika','I will not articulate things how I did in the \'80s, and I think that that\'s the understanding of an ism, that is where it has to keep changing.'),(19833,10,4396257,4411167,'Chayanika','It has to keep evolving, it has to keep moving, and I want to give this one little example that we\'re trying to do this conversation with women in physics to talk about intersectionality to a group of women in physics.'),(19834,10,4411487,4425602,'Chayanika','As I was talking to somebody, when we were trying to plan how to do it, for me it is a concept from physics actually, or science that, you only know this much of the world, you know very little of the world.'),(19835,10,4425602,4430467,'Chayanika','As much as you can perceive is what you can understand.'),(19836,10,4431267,4435997,'Chayanika','A good scientist is actually aware that this is temporary knowledge.'),(19837,10,4435997,4443077,'Chayanika','This is knowledge that is coming from this limited understanding that I have of the world.'),(19838,10,4443077,4445677,'Chayanika','There is a huge world out there which I do not understand.'),(19839,10,4446307,4453397,'Chayanika','As that world becomes perceptible to me, my theories will change, my understanding of reality will change.'),(19840,10,4453557,4457497,'Chayanika','This is something that I think that we don\'t extend to social science.'),(19841,10,4457877,4474237,'Chayanika','We don\'t extend to society, that we are seeing world from a very, very limited blinkered way, and if we stay rigid within it, whether it is any progressive moment, whether anything, it stays rigid within that, then it has lost the game.'),(19842,10,4474927,4495657,'Chayanika','But if you do not change, if you do not understand, if you do not acknowledge that there are many realities that you are not aware of, that you are actually invisiblizing, marginalizing, not recognizing, if you are not aware of that and you push for a way of thinking, then that\'s a problem.'),(19843,10,4496387,4508087,'Chayanika','My own understanding of feminism has really enriched through these engagements and I think that that is what any ism has to do.'),(19844,10,4509277,4515247,'Suraj','I love that connection to that science idea, that\'s a really powerful analogy.'),(19845,10,4517087,4531127,'Suraj','This last question you may choose to pass on, but we wanted to give everybody we were talking to an opportunity to talk about how COVID-19 has shaped their work or their thinking around some of their research issues.'),(19846,10,4531457,4536057,'Suraj','But it\'s not an essential question, so you can choose to pass if you\'d rather not discuss.'),(19847,10,4536387,4537537,'Suraj','I leave that up to you.'),(19848,10,4537547,4537577,'Chayanika','Okay.'),(19849,10,4539837,4579287,'Chayanika','I think one point that I\'d like to say personally on the COVID question, there’s lots that one can speak of in terms of education and the absence of education in people\'s lives because of COVID and the ways in which people\'s lives have been complicated because of this et cetera, but I want to take to another place that I think that in this country at least, and maybe it’s true in other countries, but in India, because the government has made our lives so difficult, in the ways in which it has made policies, that a lot of our energies have gone into survival.'),(19850,10,4579287,4589577,'Chayanika','In the first lockdown, it was around giving people food, making sure that they were safe as they were walking kilometers and kilometers across the country.'),(19851,10,4590547,4598797,'Chayanika','We just witnessed it and for the first time we all jumped into what is called relief work, because the government was not responding.'),(19852,10,4599017,4600307,'Chayanika','Everybody kept doing that.'),(19853,10,4601247,4609447,'Chayanika','The second wave where again we had a crisis where everybody was helping everybody get hospital admission, get oxygen, get this, get that.'),(19854,10,4611917,4619337,'Chayanika','In a sense we\'ve been forced to take the government\'s position, government\'s work and do it as civil society.'),(19855,10,4619617,4645262,'Chayanika','In the process I think that one of the things that as science people, all of us could have done, as educators, all of us could have done, is actually talk about, this was the best time period to speak about science, what it can do, what it cannot do, how it works, how it does not work, how it gets influenced by so many things, how it makes you skeptical about it.'),(19856,10,4645517,4646982,'Chayanika','What is it that you take from it?'),(19857,10,4647097,4648527,'Chayanika','What is it that you don\'t take from it?'),(19858,10,4649047,4658357,'Chayanika','And this is the right time to have a debate on modern medicine and science through it.'),(19859,10,4659657,4660527,'Chayanika','We\'ve not had the opportunity to do it.'),(19860,10,4660527,4663107,'Chayanika','We\'ve not really engaged with it as much as we ought to have done.'),(19861,10,4663527,4674387,'Chayanika','So what we have done, many people have tried and many people, and there\'s good work also in translating medical facts for lay people, and that\'s important, and that needs to be done.'),(19862,10,4674877,4689957,'Chayanika','But beyond that, as a person who looks at science studies, as a person who looks at nature of science, I think that the last one and a half years tell me about the enterprise of science, much more than what I could have ever put together.'),(19863,10,4689957,4693847,'Chayanika','All of us are witnessing it, and all of us are living it.'),(19864,10,4694337,4700207,'Chayanika','But we are not taking that debate forward, we are stuck in pro science and anti science positions.'),(19865,10,4700467,4707617,'Chayanika','We are stuck in these locations, the debate that needs to happen, we are not able to do it.'),(19866,10,4708677,4727267,'Chayanika','That\'s one large lacuna and the second large lacuna I feel that again, education, you had these huge campuses all over the place, huge infrastructure for schools and colleges and universities, none of which got utilized at a time when people were really struggling.'),(19867,10,4728097,4733717,'Chayanika','When children are struggling in their homes to find connections, why couldn\'t our classrooms be opened?'),(19868,10,4734107,4738137,'Chayanika','Keep children at a distance, let them come, let them study.'),(19869,10,4738187,4744217,'Chayanika','We have not done any of that, and I think that\'s a waste of infrastructure, both these points.'),(19870,10,4746947,4747307,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19871,10,4748837,4750387,'Suraj','Both of those are really good points.'),(19872,10,4752277,4754937,'Suraj','All right, well, we\'re coming up on our time here.'),(19873,10,4754937,4760877,'Suraj','So I\'ll just close us out a little bit by saying, this was such a pleasure.'),(19874,10,4760917,4762697,'Suraj','I\'m so glad we could make this work.'),(19875,10,4763987,4769577,'Suraj','The purpose of this project is to expand our geographical grounding in the learning sciences.'),(19876,10,4769577,4784747,'Suraj','But also really, we really wanted to talk to you and talk to activists and progressives and people who care or about these equity issues because to me, the learning sciences is not simply educational psychology.'),(19877,10,4784757,4791037,'Suraj','Rather it\'s like a much more holistic political, cultural and social way of thinking about schooling.'),(19878,10,4791797,4804477,'Suraj','I\'m really excited to have had this interview and be able to make sure that these issues around queer, trans and feminist questions and equity are represented in our thinking, especially outside of the west.'),(19879,10,4804877,4816407,'Suraj','I think we could do a whole nother interview about the tensions and how queer activism is positioned in the west as a Western invention, 377 and all that colonialism and so on.'),(19880,10,4816417,4821337,'Suraj','But all that to say, I really appreciate you\'re making the time after all of this back and forth.'),(19881,10,4821787,4824887,'Suraj','Again, we do have a grant for this.'),(19882,10,4824887,4831327,'Suraj','So we would like to as a token of our acknowledgement, pay you about 100 USD for participating.'),(19883,10,4831327,4850537,'Suraj','So what happens now is, I will send you a little form that will ask you for your address or if you want to be paid in some other way so that we can send a check to you, and it will also ask for a little bit of a biography and any citations or works that you\'ve written that we can put up on the website with you.'),(19884,10,4850967,4863917,'Suraj','Our intention is in the next few months to cut down the interview to about 15 minutes that will go up on the website and our hope is to be able to quickly check in with you and say like, \"Here\'s what we\'re putting up.'),(19885,10,4863917,4866657,'Suraj','So just make sure that it\'s good with you.\"'),(19886,10,4866987,4875857,'Suraj','But also if there\'s anything as you\'re reflecting in the next few days, if you think, \"Oh, I said that in the interview but I don\'t want it up on the website.\"'),(19887,10,4875867,4878057,'Suraj','Just let me know and of course we won\'t put it up.'),(19888,10,4880197,4881527,'Suraj','I think that\'s everything.'),(19889,10,4881727,4893997,'Suraj','I just want to invite you if there\'s anything else you\'d like to say that you feel you didn\'t get too expressed or comments on learning sciences, education, queer justice, anything at all, I\'d like to offer you the opportunity to do so.'),(19890,10,4895177,4896547,'Chayanika','I don\'t think so.'),(19891,10,4896737,4897802,'Chayanika','Right now I can\'t think of anything.'),(19892,10,4897802,4899644,'Chayanika','But can I get a copy of this interview or the transcript if you\'re going to do a transcript of it?'),(19893,10,4899644,4899947,'Suraj','Yeah, of course.'),(19894,10,4906597,4922927,'Suraj','I can send you the video copy on Monday, is when I\'ll be ... But we will have somebody from our team edit ... The Zoom will create an auto transcript and it\'s really bad, so we\'ll have somebody on our team edit that transcript over the next few months.'),(19895,10,4923117,4929087,'Suraj','I can send you the video as soon as whenever, and I can send you the transcript in a few months time.'),(19896,10,4929537,4929837,'Chayanika','Sure.'),(19897,10,4931227,4931607,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19898,10,4931917,4932477,'Suraj','Happily.'),(19899,10,4932857,4942207,'Suraj','Thank you so much Chayanika it was just such a pleasure to connect with you and hear your story and I look forward to our continued interaction.'),(19900,10,4942217,4949017,'Chayanika','Thanks a lot to you too, for actually putting up with I don\'t know, this has been a really bad six months.'),(19901,10,4949477,4949597,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(19902,10,4949737,4951987,'Chayanika','So I\'m glad that we managed to do it today.'),(19903,10,4951987,4958647,'Chayanika','The electricity was fluctuating here today and I was like, \"Oh my God, I don\'t know if I can ... I cannot cancel this now.\"'),(19904,10,4961067,4962518,'Suraj','Well, I will say just-'),(19905,10,4962518,4963365,'Chayanika','[crosstalk] we managed it.'),(19906,10,4963577,4972797,'Suraj','In case you don\'t know that actually quite a lot of people who we were asking, \"Who do we need to talk to about queer justice in education in India, who would be such a good person to talk to?\"'),(19907,10,4973287,4978737,'Suraj','Multiple times, Google searches, people we asked all this it kept coming back to your name.'),(19908,10,4978737,4980102,'Suraj','So you\'re quite appreciated.'),(19909,10,4980447,4983547,'Chayanika','[crosstalk] being generous was okay.'),(19910,10,4985037,4991787,'Chayanika','I had fun talking and I feel this is a sign of old age that you like to talk about your life and your work.'),(19911,10,4992017,4994127,'Suraj','Well, I like to hear about it, that was the whole point.'),(19912,10,4994127,4995297,'Suraj','So this was wonderful.'),(19913,10,4995337,4996867,'Suraj','Have a good evening, and I hope we get to talk soon-'),(19914,10,4996867,4997567,'Chayanika','Bye-bye Dr.'),(19915,10,4997777,4998767,'Chayanika','Suraj, bye.'),(19916,35,0,102269,'Gayithri','Hello, Dr Farooqi.'),(19917,35,102980,104959,'Gayithri','Oh, I gotta Finally, talking to you.'),(19918,35,106330,109380,'Gayithri','I think I need to take a few moments to just relax and.'),(19919,35,111190,112760,'Gayithri','come to terms with the reality.'),(19920,35,115110,116600,'Gayithri','Can I just take a second.'),(19921,35,116610,118150,'Gayithri','Just to make sure that.'),(19922,35,119210,122899,'Gayithri','It\'s getting recorded and that we\'re just doing fine.'),(19923,35,125039,125409,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(19924,35,125799,130290,'Gayithri','This is great, and I hope it is okay to record this.'),(19925,35,131350,131600,'Gayithri','yeah.'),(19926,35,132130,137020,'Gayithri','And, of course, like we will get back to you with the edited version and the transcript.'),(19927,35,137370,140589,'Gayithri','And only after you consent will be.'),(19928,35,141790,143700,'Gayithri','Shared it with the larger group.'),(19929,35,144190,146720,'Gayithri','So right now it\'s just going to stay within our small group.'),(19930,35,147480,151980,'Gayithri','For our own watching and understanding, everything that you would be sharing with us.'),(19931,35,151990,159049,'Gayithri','So I\'m going to briefly introduce myself, because this is the first time we have met.'),(19932,35,160440,167750,'Gayithri','And I would also give you the opportunity to do the same, and then we can get started with the questions that we have planned for today.'),(19933,35,167760,173910,'Gayithri','So I\'m Gayithri Jayathirtha and I\'m basically from Bangalore.'),(19934,35,176520,186599,'Gayithri','Right now, I have been a student at the University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia USA but, before this I had done my education in Bangalore.'),(19935,35,187480,195820,'Gayithri','I was in the computer science domain, so I continue to work in computer science education, that is my primary research area.'),(19936,35,196609,212640,'Gayithri','But, of course, like being here as an international student has also triggered a lot of questions about my own identity in the space and how I relate to teaching and learning and what it even means to do some of the work as an educational researcher.'),(19937,35,213900,231119,'Gayithri','and that is why this project, where we a group of students have come together to ask these questions and at the same time to kinda like decolonize or decenter the Western frameworks, the Western gaze we have had all these years.'),(19938,35,232269,238910,'Gayithri','At least that\'s what the literature feels like when somebody has to get introduced to educational research.'),(19939,35,239420,251399,'Gayithri','On, so we are trying to shift the gaze just by talking to folks like you who have had like vast experience either researching or doing work on the ground or both.'),(19940,35,252630,256840,'Gayithri','We just want to collect your perspectives, of course we understand fully that.'),(19941,35,257529,267150,'Gayithri','Even if there are like hundred individuals it\'s by no means representative of the work that\'s going on in the subcontinent and that these are just going to be hundred different perspectives.'),(19942,35,267740,281819,'Gayithri','So coming from that background, today I would love to talk to you about your own practices, your perspectives and your experiences of doing the work that you have done all these years.'),(19943,35,282920,291070,'Gayithri','and, especially, we are very keen on understanding what has equity meant to you in this work and how you have pushed.'),(19944,35,292150,309400,'Gayithri','the boundaries of status quo to center and to bring focus on some of the concerns on equity in India as it exists in your context with the people whom you work and how you have kind of worked with that in.'),(19945,35,310710,316210,'Gayithri','Your research and practice, so thanks for joining us today.'),(19946,35,317690,318540,'Gayithri','yeah.'),(19947,35,319790,324070,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yes, Gayithri as you might be knowing presently I am working.'),(19948,35,324070,334610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In the Faculty of education, Jamia Milia islamia, which is a central university situated in Delhi.'),(19949,35,335710,344489,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And i\'ve been associated with this university for the last 13 years and before that.'),(19950,35,344489,355519,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For 8 long years I worked with lady sriram college, which is Delhi University and.'),(19951,35,355580,366239,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For a smaller time for about a year or two with NCERT so that is what my teaching.'),(19952,35,367400,369816,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and learning experience has been.'),(19953,35,369816,378849,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','With these different institutions as far as my what you call as research.'),(19954,35,383320,389090,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and writing is concerned, I started quite late in the sense that.'),(19955,35,390849,393360,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was bringing up children and teaching.'),(19956,35,394670,408920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, being a woman has its own limitation apart from advantages but yeah so I started writing only.'),(19957,35,409259,420040,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','when I reached almost my you know I entered into my 40s.'),(19958,35,421180,426210,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','That is just you know 12 to 13 years back.'),(19959,35,426210,434620,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Though I have been, before that, I wrote for textbooks, I was associated with.'),(19960,35,437910,444440,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','NCERT textbooks after national curriculum framework 2005 but doing my own bit.'),(19961,35,444550,451930,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually as you would have seen my work is a little different because.'),(19962,35,455500,455720,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I...'),(19963,35,455770,459390,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And this is the kind of work that I will continue to do.'),(19964,35,459740,462710,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','i\'ve been a practitioner so...'),(19965,35,465520,484400,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and documented my experience so my work did not start with sampling and choosing a site and then going and recording so yeah.'),(19966,35,486539,488390,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This is it and.'),(19967,35,491170,503680,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In 2009 I came to jamia in 2006 in 2009 I got an opportunity to get associated with the.'),(19968,35,505109,510920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Government aided school, which is situated in the walled city of Delhi.'),(19969,35,512559,517370,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And I became its manager and.'),(19970,35,517389,526470,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For six long years I was the manager of this school and later, I still continue to be on its managing committee.'),(19971,35,528120,528140,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So.'),(19972,35,532530,533860,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This is the work that.'),(19973,35,534910,560939,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I did, of trying to bring about some positive changes in this school trying to build up relations with people and and of course documenting the little changes that happened in the school and studying the locale of the school.'),(19974,35,562570,582007,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, for more than 12 years now I have been working and studying this school.'),(19975,35,582007,588620,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, and this school, let me tell you briefly, it is, it is more than 100 year old educational institution which started as a madrassa.'),(19976,35,590270,591949,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And was run by.'),(19977,35,593670,638953,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Some Abdul Rehman, before partition as a madrassa, but when partition happened and the person who was the owner of this place and in charge of running the madrasa , so he migrated to Pakistan, and he gave the key of the institution to Dr Zakir Hussain who was at that time, the Vice Chancellor of our university and he started a school in that premises and this school was later taken up by a society which still continues to run three schools in Delhi one is the school the Sheffield memory school that I worked with and to our.'),(19978,35,638953,671460,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','One is Anglo Arabic school, which is more than 300 years old educational institution, beautiful institution and one self financed school, which runs in the same campus as Anglo Arabic school.'),(19979,35,672370,674579,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So these three institutions.'),(19980,35,674820,681950,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Now since, as I told you, Dr Zakir Hussain was the Vice Chancellor of our university.'),(19981,35,683090,718140,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','At the time when the school started in 1948 so whosoever is now the Vice Chancellor of our University in his or her honorary position is also the chairperson of delhi Education society and is responsible for running these three schools and so that is how I got the opportunity to get associated with this school because I’m Vice Chancellor.'),(19982,35,721000,737809,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And the President of the society so yeah it was a rare opportunity and clearly, you know I think some understanding that I have of education and so because of my association with that school.'),(19983,35,738939,754509,'Gayithri','Fantastic yeah we will definitely delve into this, as we continue, but this was I think, a very interesting contextual information that I\'m glad we went through.'),(19984,35,754509,768039,'Gayithri','So if you want to like, we can start talking about like one specific project that you have taken up and then maybe we can get to like talking more broadly about different projects that you have done.'),(19985,35,768770,777710,'Gayithri','So if you were to like pick one of the projects either like the recent one, or something that\'s close to your heart or something that you feel is representative of your work.'),(19986,35,778630,791970,'Gayithri','Could you talk a little more about the community that you work with, the population that you work with, the geography, I think you kind of pointed at some of these when like you were just mentioning.'),(19987,35,793059,805400,'Gayithri','details about your project and how you got associated with the school, but if you want to get a little more in depth, that would be also very helpful so.'),(19988,35,806960,809860,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah actually.'),(19989,35,814240,841500,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The school, as I said, lies on the very close to the walled city and on the fringes of what used to be earlier called Shahjahana Bagh and so that is where it is located.'),(19990,35,843900,850896,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But yeah, I must tell you a little about it\'s locale.'),(19991,35,850896,853864,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The areas around the school the mohallas as they\'re called.'),(19992,35,853864,857894,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','These mohallas include Bada Hindu Rao and Nayi Basti, Hata Kitara and prasad Pura and these areas.'),(19993,35,857894,878310,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Are Muslim majority areas and.'),(19994,35,880359,888970,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Earlier, now the the areas that I have mentioned the total about.'),(19995,35,891420,892649,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','More than 90% or.'),(19996,35,892739,905050,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','95% of people who reside in these areas are mostly Muslims and the.'),(19997,35,906709,935189,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Population as the urbanization the way it has shaped in delhi and other states as well over the last few decades because of sociopolitical reasons, so earlier these.'),(19998,35,935199,985940,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','mohallas, these areas had much more or mixed kind of a population and later, but I mean actually this started, and in fact the attendance registers of 1950s reveal that about 35% Hindu children studied in this school at that time and the areas which I have mentioned these areas house many refugees after partition who slowly migrated to neighborhoods where they were given plots for houses others moved out as their businesses grew.'),(19999,35,986670,1004994,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But after 1984 as some would recall there was anti sikh pogroms which happened, and the Muslims, interestingly.'),(20000,35,1004994,1010380,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','were quite shaken, if not as much as the sikhs.'),(20001,35,1010760,1016100,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','but many people from it, joining areas they bought houses in.'),(20002,35,1017230,1039349,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This area and many such areas at that time and later the pulling down of the Babri Masjid in 1992 and still later the Gujarat genocide of 2002 gradually resulted in the present state of the neighborhoods around the school.'),(20003,35,1040980,1051190,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So now the these areas that I have mentioned, they have more than 95% Muslim population.'),(20004,35,1051220,1094549,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And that this leads to an illusion of security, that is why they are now coming together and over the last several years as you know that the Muslim consciousness and vulnerability and security, these are now quite palpable in these areas, since the BJP government has come into power so this is what.'),(20005,35,1096360,1120139,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This is about the locale of the school and now the children who come to this school more than 65% of the children.'),(20006,35,1123030,1144840,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','are Child workers and almost all of them are from working class families and as I said about 65% themselves work in a small factories called karkhanas and.'),(20007,35,1144840,1150090,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This area, the entire area this.'),(20008,35,1153260,1158220,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know undergoes.'),(20009,35,1158260,1160590,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Income shocks, off and on.'),(20010,35,1161010,1164792,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For example, they were sealing a small.'),(20011,35,1164792,1174044,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Commercial ventures in the area in 2006 and later in one of the areas.'),(20012,35,1174044,1175015,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','which I mentioned Prasadpura in this area.'),(20013,35,1175015,1194870,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','There were more than a century older slaughterhouses and these slaughterhouses worse shifted to another place in 2009.'),(20014,35,1194870,1226480,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And this shifting of slaughterhouses to a place which is about 25 to 30 kilometers from this area also again resulted in an income shock, because many people who were workers in those slaughterhouses they had to go to this distant area and going there required.'),(20015,35,1226510,1242410,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know spending quite a lot of money every day, whereas they earn very little so that again resulted in an income shock which.'),(20016,35,1242410,1243294,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','happened often on in this area so yeah, so this is about the area.'),(20017,35,1243294,1274204,'Gayithri','Yes, and you were mentioning that some of the students have like 65% close to on are already actually employed in some of the manufacturing places around you mentioned that so are you working with like high school students, what exactly is the project so.'),(20018,35,1274204,1274262,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually, Gayithri, I did not take up take this up as a'),(20019,35,1274262,1274267,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','project.'),(20020,35,1274267,1274287,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Exactly I got involved'),(20021,35,1274287,1274316,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','with this school as a manager.'),(20022,35,1274316,1274321,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Okay.'),(20023,35,1274321,1306809,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So I did not take this up as a project or research or even have a research site.'),(20024,35,1306809,1312509,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So yeah.'),(20025,35,1313639,1316259,'Gayithri','Fantastic yeah, I just wanted.'),(20026,35,1316570,1327410,'Gayithri','This is all coming from your understanding and experiences like being a part of the community keeping the school going.'),(20027,35,1327410,1331699,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Absolutely yeah and these children.'),(20028,35,1331699,1359896,NULL,'This school is a senior secondary school, which runs from class one to class 12 and the primary school runs in the evening shift classes one to five happen in the evening shift, whereas classes six to 12 happen in the morning shift, that is from 7am till 12:30pm so that is our morning shift and...'),(20029,35,1359896,1359902,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And most work and..'),(20030,35,1359902,1375400,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Which I have been able to do.'),(20031,35,1377050,1378570,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And observe closely.'),(20032,35,1380340,1404369,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because my association with children has been quite, you know, interesting and I forge relations with many children and children who passed out [graduated], you know six years ago or eight years ago from this school still continue to be in touch so.'),(20033,35,1407250,1410120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','These young..'),(20034,35,1410169,1416139,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And such a room these children were in the morning shift.'),(20035,35,1417360,1418800,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','i\'ve been able to observe.'),(20036,35,1419120,1427280,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The children in classes six to 12 much more closely, as compared to the primary school so yeah.'),(20037,35,1430430,1443860,'Gayithri','Just to get a perspective, Dr Farooqi would you want to elaborate on how a typical day in your work at the school would look like, because that sounds really very interesting.'),(20038,35,1445930,1446410,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually.'),(20039,35,1448680,1452679,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','As you know, as I...'),(20040,35,1453280,1457060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In my introduction, told you that I work with the university.'),(20041,35,1458370,1489695,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Like Jamia Milia Islamia and I was an honorary manager of the school and unfortunately we don\'t have, you know, this kind of work does not find a space in our time table or in workload as well.'),(20042,35,1489695,1500500,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, so yeah it was actually difficult, but I did manage to visit the school.'),(20043,35,1500500,1510270,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','At least five times in a month, which went up 20 times when the situation demanded.'),(20044,35,1512250,1541419,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And otherwise, even if I was not in the school, communication continued, and you know phone calls and writing emails and communicating with the Delhi Education Society and the directorate of education children, and the teachers, many of them live close to my university.'),(20045,35,1541419,1557100,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So they visited me in the university for official work and otherwise as well so yeah.'),(20046,35,1558950,1576698,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And in my day at university and the school when I managed to go to this school, as I said, it was minimum of five days in a week which went up to 20 days.'),(20047,35,1576698,1599529,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Five days in a month, but which went up to 20 days in a month whenever the situation demanded, so yeah one thing which actually helped my classes in the university were either in the morning, or in the afternoon.'),(20048,35,1600310,1622500,NULL,'So whenever there you know, and most of the days I used to have classes in the afternoon, so I would visit the school, will reach the school at around 8-8:30 and then be there for a few hours and then come back to the university for my classes.'),(20049,35,1624310,1631349,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So yeah somehow managed, that is what.'),(20050,35,1632490,1632880,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I can say.'),(20051,35,1633900,1634780,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','that\'s that\'s no.'),(20052,35,1635950,1642910,'Gayithri','I just wanted to get like a sense of like your environment which I think we got a sense of that.'),(20053,35,1643520,1657100,'Gayithri','Thank you so much um, what do you want to elaborate on how you I know it was more of a fortuitous thing that you landed in this place in this school and you were able to work with the community.'),(20054,35,1658140,1670219,'Gayithri','But what is actually keeping you excited and interested about this context, if you could elaborate a little more on what motivated you to take this line of work.'),(20055,35,1676400,1683240,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, actually, as I pointed out earlier, that I never.'),(20056,35,1685330,1711453,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','At least initially, for a few years, I did not look upon the school as a research site or a project, but what I wanted to do together with the school staff and children was to bring about some kind of positive changes in the school so.'),(20057,35,1711453,1722530,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And as a practitioner, I tried to reflect on my work.'),(20058,35,1730959,1731100,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But that was.'),(20059,35,1731100,1731328,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Later, and.'),(20060,35,1731328,1735340,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','One thing that I must share with you is that I did play a number of roles in a way.'),(20061,35,1735340,1735403,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was the manager of the school.'),(20062,35,1735403,1735467,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A practitioner trying to harness positive energies.'),(20063,35,1735467,1735548,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A student of education, and academic - a university professor.'),(20064,35,1735548,1787319,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And I think wearing these several hats together did give me rare insights about the school and also the kind of work that I took up as manager, I was not a mere cheque signing manager, I see because.'),(20065,35,1787319,1797780,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','During the course of my work, I interacted not just with the Delhi Education Society and the.'),(20066,35,1798530,1803320,'Gayithri','Through what.'),(20067,35,1807290,1810540,'Gayithri','You were talking about what like what is motivating you to keep this work going you were talking about the multiple hats that you all are in the class.'),(20068,35,1811810,1812200,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Okay.'),(20069,35,1814280,1833860,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So yeah apart from interacting with the Delhi Education Society and the directorate of education and writing innumerable mails to them I got a chance to interact with teachers, of course, in formal and informal situations.'),(20070,35,1834620,1848550,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was very close to children, I taught in a class for some time, in fact, for one class - class eight - for the longest period and then.'),(20071,35,1851790,1854890,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Other classes for a brief period with the.'),(20072,35,1858020,1879480,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The original co-taught with the teachers there and yeah back from that I was I had to be involved with the community, because the kind of relationship the community had with this school was also very interesting.'),(20073,35,1880930,1891220,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','They looked at this school, as an institution which you.'),(20074,35,1892920,1903210,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because, as I told you, it is a 100 year old educational institution, and some people who were in that.'),(20075,35,1910010,1910190,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','lived there called themself.'),(20076,35,1910190,1916090,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know lay a claim to the school in the sense that they have.'),(20077,35,1918090,1940480,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','They say that this would have been taken up or it would have gone to the government, but we save the school for the community and when the partition happened, so the Community has really interesting.'),(20078,35,1941890,1955500,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know relationship with the school, so I had to, and also because most children come from the locality, so one has to interact with the parents.'),(20079,35,1955850,1970540,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And not just the parents with other people in the Community, so it took up a lot of time, apart from that, the political leaders who resided in that area and.'),(20080,35,1970730,2012900,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So what I\'m trying to tell you is that my role as manager of the way I conceive my role as manager required me to interact with an array of people and groups and, apart from the staff and the children so yeah yeah and also being a part of a number of meetings in this school constituting committees and working with them did reveal a lot about the school and how it functions.'),(20081,35,2016050,2016900,'Gayithri','And what has been.'),(20082,35,2017580,2018140,'Gayithri','started writing.'),(20083,35,2019750,2023230,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yeah yeah sorry I think there wasn\'t like oh no no go on.'),(20084,35,2023280,2025870,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And not so.'),(20085,35,2028510,2036030,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually I started writing, documenting my work only after three years of being with the school.'),(20086,35,2037780,2040830,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, and also published.'),(20087,35,2040830,2050430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','19 articles serialized articles in a journal called shake shack have emerged.'),(20088,35,2051090,2051109,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So.'),(20089,35,2055310,2055660,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah.'),(20090,35,2056660,2058430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah yeah what were you asking.'),(20091,35,2059670,2066870,'Gayithri','I think my question was, of course, like this has been like a very deep engagement with the Community the school.'),(20092,35,2068040,2073593,'Gayithri','And, like all the other people who come with the school and the Community be it the parents or children, what has been some of the easy aspects.'),(20093,35,2073593,2073864,'Gayithri','of doing this work if you were to mention a few is it been like working with parents or has it been working with like the teachers anybody else that you would like to.'),(20094,35,2073864,2106020,'Gayithri','point to at this time, if you were to think about like what has been like really like easy or comfortable about this context of work.'),(20095,35,2113720,2121340,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I will not put it like this, I think the best part of working with the school has been my interaction with children.'),(20096,35,2122160,2142790,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And because it was quite amazing you know the kind of relations, I was able to forge with the children, and it was not just amazing for me, but you know the way the staff looked at it, for example.'),(20097,35,2142790,2163430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The children were quite interesting in the sense that they would you know some of them were quite happy that they knew the manager well and they used to.'),(20098,35,2165580,2170460,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know boast about it and there were others who would.'),(20099,35,2172580,2185980,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know tease and take the manager on the ride, and we laugh together, and since I was not just you know involved with the little teaching that I did but otherwise.'),(20100,35,2186790,2213610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was also helping children prepare skits and play for the annual day and otherwise generally have you know interacting with them, so this was quite amazing for the staff and they found me laughing with the children, and you know.'),(20101,35,2214830,2217560,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And chatting away with them so.'),(20102,35,2217560,2222760,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And that, and after just.'),(20103,35,2224070,2241560,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','you know just a few years, I knew the children much better, I knew their families and homes and the locale much, much better than any of the teachers and because I visited their karkhanas their homes.'),(20104,35,2243060,2244920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And children would invite me also.'),(20105,35,2244920,2252920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','ki aaj bhai aap humare saath rozaftaar kijiye.'),(20106,35,2252960,2260940,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Have a cup of tea at our place.'),(20107,35,2260940,2269290,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So umm you know, so it was quite amazing for the staff, and you know.'),(20108,35,2271450,2275980,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Knowing children was the best part of it, and that is.'),(20109,35,2277130,2291530,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','From where I think the several layers of my research, because I was playing these different roles, so I think the kind of layered study.'),(20110,35,2292730,2314050,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','which I was able to do, looking at children and the locale, the kind of work that they did, their culture and how the school culture and the lives of children were influenced by the market, how different the kind of...'),(20111,35,2315660,2320730,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','There was one group in this school which engaged in religious education.'),(20112,35,2322550,2329850,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And it was a voluntary group; looking at them and understanding their views and...'),(20113,35,2331100,2338550,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because when they were in this group, the children were totally different in this avatar.'),(20114,35,2338550,2348040,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','as they were in the classroom or outside.'),(20115,35,2348420,2385850,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So the kind of work and the [...] kind of understanding of this school happened because of the kind of relations, I was able to develop with children and it was actually amazing and I don\'t know how and why, but the kind of trust that I was able to build with the children, and they would talk about their lives and other things you know in school and outside school.'),(20116,35,2385850,2415100,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, but it was initially quite amazing for me, I think they were yearning for this, you know this kind of relationship and which, I was able to forge with some children, of course, because I did not have that kind of time, but yeah I learned a lot.'),(20117,35,2415110,2424600,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So that was the best part I think of the entire exercise to knowing the children.'),(20118,35,2425760,2426220,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Nice.'),(20119,35,2427430,2429227,'Gayithri','Anything you want to point.'),(20120,35,2429227,2448580,'Gayithri','At a point to like any hard aspects of doing this work any challenging or difficult part of doing this kind of work, it could be, ranging from like funding to publishing that to, of course, like even like work on the ground.'),(20121,35,2451950,2453280,'Gayithri','What were some of the challenging.'),(20122,35,2453280,2454200,'Gayithri','Parts no.'),(20123,35,2456030,2462420,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually, since, I never took up this work as a project or as.'),(20124,35,2464260,2476000,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So there was, of course, funding is no question, I was there as a manager an honorary manager and because the school is too hard upon funds.'),(20125,35,2477310,2484957,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','We receive 95% from the government which goes.'),(20126,35,2484957,2494610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Which is for paying the teachers towards the salaries of teachers.'),(20127,35,2495060,2505900,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','5% the management has to somehow manage and we do that through.'),(20128,35,2505940,2516320,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','We e have to charge a little fee from the students in order to be able to you know.'),(20129,35,2518070,2522840,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','for collecting the 5% which we have to.'),(20130,35,2524710,2525310,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Then.'),(20131,35,2526740,2527260,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In order to give this the salaries to teachers and also for every day.'),(20132,35,2535920,2543410,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Expenses like the phone and electricity, and all the rest so yeah.'),(20133,35,2546740,2550797,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, but of course there was no funding involved and also because we were hard.'),(20134,35,2550797,2560610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','On funds all the time, so but I made it a.'),(20135,35,2560700,2564470,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know my I never took.'),(20136,35,2567160,2587270,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Even transport expenses from the school for traveling to and fro from jamia to school and back and school is 25 kilometers from jamia so yeah there\'s there was no question of.'),(20137,35,2587350,2594690,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Funds did not arise, and what is the next thing that you asked have in place.'),(20138,35,2594730,2600300,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In case, if there were any so I think there has been like a little bit of.'),(20139,35,2600300,2606510,'Gayithri','A delay between I speaking and it\'s reaching that is like some kind of a delay.'),(20140,35,2608140,2613770,'Gayithri','I maybe we\'ll have to just be patient sorry uh.'),(20141,35,2613770,2614656,'Gayithri','huh.'),(20142,35,2614656,2620600,'Gayithri','So I think my question was if you had any challenges that\'s all.'),(20143,35,2620670,2622840,'Gayithri','I\'m with regard to funding.'),(20144,35,2622899,2625050,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I\'m just wondering make publishing or putting this work out in the world.'),(20145,35,2625050,2634430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','or even like working with certain people as a part of this work.'),(20146,35,2637510,2637530,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So.'),(20147,35,2639040,2680260,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','With regard to funding, as I told you that I was the only manager of this institution, and with regard to publishing I first published my work as serialized articles in a journal called shiksha vimarsh which you might be knowing an organization which works with schools and also publishers they invited me to publish my.'),(20148,35,2682170,2692120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','My articles in the form of a book and these articles were first written in hindustani.'),(20149,35,2692140,2707520,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','That again because I wanted to write a series of articles that no other journal I knew would give me permission to write.'),(20150,35,2707610,2713610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A series and publisher series which shiksha vimarhs most readily agreed so and now.'),(20151,35,2713610,2738326,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I will send my with the book, which has been published, again, is in hindustani, and now I will soon be sending the English version of the book.'),(20152,35,2738326,2749990,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For publication, not to Eklavya, but to some other place so the manuscript is now ready, so I think I\'ve taken a very different path to studying.'),(20153,35,2749990,2773959,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','To doing work, studying school and making a graphical observations, and to writing publishing and yeah so the questions that you are asking again.'),(20154,35,2774780,2783890,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Many times to you\'re doing I do my situation and with regard to challenges I think of.'),(20155,35,2786400,2799135,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Understanding the extent and limits of my power in relation to people and positions resources and organizational constraints so the structural and the cultural barriers.'),(20156,35,2799135,2813837,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, which created a sense of powerlessness amongst teachers and there was always a pressure to work to rules.'),(20157,35,2813837,2889120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But and his school what struck me when I joined this school was that it seemed like closed, and it was a closed and suffocating space where there was a lot of mistrust between staff, management, and the administration and also the community, and there was a lot of lobbying and politicking so while the management was vigilant and teachers were alert and distant and so thinking about some changes was quite a huge challenge in an atmosphere where there was blame and fear and my, you know, disdain and.'),(20158,35,2890830,2895660,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But I think one change really which.'),(20159,35,2897640,2913660,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I can leave some claim to and I don\'t regard any change which came about in the school, as my success or anything which did not work as my individual failure.'),(20160,35,2914650,2935060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because we were all working as a team and a lot of credit goes to the administration, because they were working on day to day basis, but the entire the ethos, the atmosphere of the school did undergo a change.'),(20161,35,2936130,2937320,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The kind of.'),(20162,35,2937330,2952970,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The, you know the relations between participants, between staff and management changed actually when.'),(20163,35,2952970,2960720,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','By initially when I joined the school one complaint which and which I also observed.'),(20164,35,2960720,2971910,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Was that only three people on the staff, used to say were running this school.'),(20165,35,2971910,3005130,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','One principal and two office close associates, the two members of the staff but later, you know, as the principal grew in confidence and he thought that I was with him, he started to delegate responsibilities among staff members and later when I stepped down as manager.'),(20166,35,3005540,3012300,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So one change, one huge change that happened right before my eyes was.'),(20167,35,3013410,3013590,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','That.'),(20168,35,3016140,3016800,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Many.'),(20169,35,3018960,3019300,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Sorry.'),(20170,35,3019470,3020700,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You want me to pause.'),(20171,35,3022030,3024740,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah i\'ve been boards that.'),(20172,35,3029250,3037120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','That relations between various participants underwent a huge huge change.'),(20173,35,3037630,3081380,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','There were more than 30 teachers who were, around 33 teachers of the 43 or 45 that we had, who were willingly and happily participating in the school in various activities of this school and our principal also later got a letter of appreciation from the Minister of the MHRD minister, the Minister of Education, that the way the school has changed and which included, you know many more, we had.'),(20174,35,3081390,3082060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Earlier only.'),(20175,35,3083510,3090520,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know 50% of our students managed to barely pass, but now.'),(20176,35,3090530,3106140,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','all hundred percent students were passing, which I will not say was a huge huge change as I\'m referring to.'),(20177,35,3107370,3116160,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The change in relationships which happened because, as we know that marks are, do not lie, that.'),(20178,35,3119390,3143250,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Things have changed and they don\'t really indicate that children have learned and they have understood, but yeah there were many other changes which happened in this school very slowly to one had to be very patient but yeah so I\'ve been able to.'),(20179,35,3144960,3171010,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Document these slow changes which happened and writing my diary as I call it, it did lend me a sense of hope and confidence, and I was able to see the the small changes coming about which did give me the confidence to carry on.'),(20180,35,3178700,3181790,'Gayithri','So this, this is a brilliant.'),(20181,35,3181860,3191530,'Gayithri','If you were to make connections like and if you also want to elaborate maybe now would be a great opportunity to talk a little about.'),(20182,35,3192900,3203460,'Gayithri','The series of articles that you wrote from the diary if you want to elaborate on that, that would be wonderful in relation to.'),(20183,35,3204180,3217560,'Gayithri','What we just discussed about what happened in the school and what you saw if you could briefly, I know it, it might be like a really hard ask because there were like a series of articles which we will definitely link to.'),(20184,35,3218580,3247969,'Gayithri','When we are putting up the video, we will be linking to some of your work, of course, one of that would include like a link to the series of articles, but if you were to quickly tell us a little about what you wrote in the article, what did you look at and what were some of the surprises.'),(20185,35,3247969,3247989,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yeah.'),(20186,35,3249080,3291860,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The first two articles Gayithri were about understanding school as organization and it was about [...connection issues] in the first article, for example, I have tried to introduce school by describing its location, infrastructure, available resources, then, do the focus on.'),(20187,35,3293380,3317530,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The first two chapters his own internal organizational processes, but we all know that these remain open to political and economic and policy pressures from outside, so I have tried to understand the responsibilities of different people in the organization and I\'ve also.'),(20188,35,3320860,3327840,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, reflected on my work as manager and I have pondered how.'),(20189,35,3329720,3339000,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','responsibilities when undertaken sitting in the ivory tower can result in dangerous consequences.'),(20190,35,3339700,3347960,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, and outcome can be drastically different is tasks are taken up conscientiously and.'),(20191,35,3348930,3353570,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','After understanding the ground, the ground realities.'),(20192,35,3354330,3369500,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So I\'ve talked about the interpersonal relations and I\'ve talked about some very interesting aspects, for example, I\'ve used the symbolism of a cup of tea and power.'),(20193,35,3371040,3372270,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Which is a.'),(20194,35,3373490,3400670,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Which, in the first chapter I\'ve tried to demonstrate how, at times, we fail to see how how others perceive us and our power because we may not be conscious of our own power, but how others see us and how they perceive us is again important, then I have.'),(20195,35,3402990,3404830,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, talked about...'),(20196,35,3407800,3415640,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, an interesting thing which I have talked about in Chapter two is about.'),(20197,35,3416970,3426480,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Teachers [tea] clubs and so, these tea clubs.'),(20198,35,3428800,3433180,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, through these tea clubs which used to run in the school.'),(20199,35,3435460,3490220,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I have tried to understand the interpersonal relations between teachers between teachers and the administration and it was very interesting to see how these teachers actually during the break time they used to gather in groups and have tea, and you know lunch together, so it was really interesting to see how these small clubs operated and, for example, the kind of relations that existed in a club; they used to call it a club, but in this group, where there were only female teachers about 13 of them used to have tea together.'),(20200,35,3490890,3502440,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So there the kind of hierarchies the structural hierarchies that existed, whether or not, as visible as in the men\'s club.'),(20201,35,3504370,3504840,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Read.'),(20202,35,3506120,3522910,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Several you know the PGTs, and the TGTs, there in the men\'s club they used to be very conscious of their you know role and status in the school.'),(20203,35,3523730,3541820,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, and I used to be invited to the men\'s club, most of the time, because our principal used to have tea in that club, so it was very interesting to see what happened there.'),(20204,35,3542360,3563990,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And look, for example, this men\'s club it used to run in the physics lab and principal, he used to, he was offered a comfortable chair before which our table was placed and whenever I joined the Group I was also offered a chair placed at the same table.'),(20205,35,3565080,3567330,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But I prefer to sit with teachers.'),(20206,35,3567670,3579490,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And the teachers, they sat on stools which was placed around the work table of the lab and most of the times.'),(20207,35,3579500,3580140,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The.'),(20208,35,3580480,3583270,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Things like.'),(20209,35,3584530,3587560,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For eating were ordered from outside, but.'),(20210,35,3589480,3625610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Men also you know they brought things prepared by their wives, at times, but in this club, the conversation most of the time was around the Department of Education management and obstacles in the path of files, and it was rare to see good humor door chatting which was there in the women\'s club, so it was really interesting.'),(20211,35,3625620,3631240,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And, at times, I also became.'),(20212,35,3631380,3638320,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','me, you know, I was targeted it happened rarely but.'),(20213,35,3639920,3640290,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know.'),(20214,35,3642370,3643280,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','In this club.'),(20215,35,3644680,3647930,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was cornered at times that because.'),(20216,35,3649380,3655870,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For example, one thing that I did not agree to, or was that to.'),(20217,35,3659690,3691140,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, teachers wanted the school to close early on Fridays because of Friday prayers but I said that the school gets over at 1230 and we have sufficient time to go to our places and pray so why leave early so they would call me and say Jamia shuts early on Friday and why not our school and all those kind of things.'),(20218,35,3691700,3694260,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Then there was a club which was.'),(20219,35,3695380,3721280,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know the which was seen as a powerful group, and there were four teachers who had tea together one was to become principal and vice principal in a few years time and there were the staff Secretary, who was a female interestingly, and that was quite interesting because she was.'),(20220,35,3721290,3729910,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This was very contradictory to the culture of the place and culture of the school.'),(20221,35,3730140,3734262,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','She was a Member of this group, and it was seen as a powerful group and whosoever the staff if they felt that.'),(20222,35,3734262,3734552,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know, they were being cornered by.'),(20223,35,3734552,3779040,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','By the management, so they would go to this group for advice and they had the manual, the school manual on their fingertips, and they were, and they also had relations with the government aided School Teachers Association and the other two schools of Delhi Education Society.'),(20224,35,3780930,3789420,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So it was very interesting to document all this and to see the entire group relations through.'),(20225,35,3790530,3792880,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The window of these clubs.'),(20226,35,3794060,3799326,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and later in the chapter, I have also talked about.'),(20227,35,3799326,3812800,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Whether my own role and my own how I was functioning in the in the school, whether it was democratic enough or not or.'),(20228,35,3812980,3825180,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yeah I have recounted several anecdotes to raise questions about my own functioning.'),(20229,35,3825630,3830030,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So basically these two chapters are all, these two articles.'),(20230,35,3831480,3831970,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','About to.'),(20231,35,3841110,3852560,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The school organization, interpersonal relations and all such things so the third article was about.'),(20232,35,3853820,3890380,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The market and, since our children, as I told you well working in this small factories, or Karkhanas, so in this article I\'ve tried to bring forth the big picture of socioeconomic and cultural context of the children, so there is a description about living and working conditions of the children and.'),(20233,35,3890380,3901000,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And the interplay which existed between factory residence and school and the vicissitudes of the market.'),(20234,35,3901410,3913390,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I\'ve also talked about the nature of family and support system and how family relations are influenced by relations of work and market.'),(20235,35,3914230,3924736,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So closely I’ve seen you know how children\'s everyday life is affected by the social and economic pressures and tried to see the life context of these children.'),(20236,35,3924736,3926546,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So that is what the third chapter is about and I\'ve talked about the Karkhanas as I call them.'),(20237,35,3926546,3957830,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And some of these Karkhanas or these factories, they doubled up as homes and there would be.'),(20238,35,3957930,3959960,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A small.'),(20239,35,3959960,3994960,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know a room, which was just you know, 12 feet in size and their workers lived and worked at the same time, and there would be, in that small room, seven or eight or more workers would be staying and also working and.'),(20240,35,3995630,4004130,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','With all this and they would be raw material and sewing machines and you know.'),(20241,35,4005560,4026980,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Also, you know things take wired for preparing meals and other things, so I think any work without looking at the living conditions of children would be totally incomplete.'),(20242,35,4027790,4044760,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And another interesting thing that I managed to do in this article was to see to compare the relations which children had with their Ustaad.'),(20243,35,4044800,4048120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Ustaad I’m using for.'),(20244,35,4050470,4088730,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know for the owners of karkhaanas, so people with whom these children would apprentice, or would intern with or work with, so the kind of relations that they had with them and how these relations were markedly different from the relations that they manage to have with their teachers and so i\'ve compared and contrasted that that how I think that is.'),(20245,35,4091840,4097690,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','One thing which I find is really interesting about this chapter.'),(20246,35,4098490,4120630,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So uh because, for example, the ustaad would look after children’s everyday needs and show concern during illness and have a heart to forgive and forget when they were unable to reach the workshop on time.'),(20247,35,4122970,4133730,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But also they make children toil for minimum wages and they also delay their payments so.'),(20248,35,4134360,4140750,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','This display of sympathy and compassion, how it becomes a medium for exploitation.'),(20249,35,4141510,4162920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But it was also a means of extending help and patronage, so the hierarchical relationship, how it remained concealed and, at times, it became difficult for child worker to understand its nature but...'),(20250,35,4163150,4175660,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And this was the kind of relationship, you know that they had with the Ustaad was.'),(20251,35,4175740,4180210,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Personal and informal like the judge-maani system.'),(20252,35,4181760,4192020,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So, but the kind of relationship that they had with their teachers, it was impersonal and formal despite their daily association.'),(20253,35,4192550,4193790,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So I have talked about that and i\'ve talked about.'),(20254,35,4197050,4214550,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','My visits to karkhanas was and how you know, I was not really confident to tell my children to stop working and to devote all their time to studies, because we could not offer.'),(20255,35,4215340,4229520,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know much in terms of our Minister of Education, so I did not have that kind of confidence to wean them away from work.'),(20256,35,4229830,4244910,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because they felt that they were learning some craft, which would come in handy and they did not have the kind of you know, the leisure of devoting years of years to education.'),(20257,35,4247320,4270820,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And even if they did study it was only some went on to college, but they did their graduation, and then they were forced by the circumstances to work and and this did not lead them.'),(20258,35,4272630,4281830,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Anywhere in the sense that they will became ultimately became slaves to the multinational companies so.'),(20259,35,4282990,4288020,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','These are some of the questions that I have managed to ask in this.'),(20260,35,4290510,4291040,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know.'),(20261,35,4292490,4298210,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Article and in the next two years, should I go on Gayithri and'),(20262,35,4298220,4309130,'Gayithri','Dr K was allowed to tell has been like wonderful listen to, like all the chapters, but I don\'t want to take a lot of your time because I really don\'t want you to.'),(20263,35,4309830,4312480,'Gayithri','You know stretch your day just for our sake.'),(20264,35,4312910,4324059,'Gayithri','So maybe like we will be linking to the articles and if folks are interested, of course, like whatever you shared with us so far it\'s going to be good to give a glimpse of the kind of work that you have done.'),(20265,35,4324460,4338120,'Gayithri','So I think, hopefully, our viewers will do the rest of their work by reading more of your writing and I think we can just quickly move on, because I want to ask a few questions.'),(20266,35,4339210,4352910,'Gayithri','One being like is there, like any school of thought any like like a philosopher or anybody like guiding your work is there, like any theory that you go by.'),(20267,35,4353890,4357460,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah, that is an important question gayithri.'),(20268,35,4358070,4363788,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because what I have done in my work as I told you, I started by writing a diary.'),(20269,35,4363788,4363817,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and I have.'),(20270,35,4363817,4363943,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The kind of work and the kind of details that I managed to.'),(20271,35,4363943,4364021,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','collect and write, so these details I thought.'),(20272,35,4364021,4364060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was able to.'),(20273,35,4364070,4423610,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','My you know I did pose some questions for analysis and using those details, I think I was able to write quite a coherent narrative and I did not start by looking at different you know, theories and in fact, I inverted the whole process.'),(20274,35,4423980,4428060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I have looked at later.'),(20275,35,4428070,4466370,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I am in the process of writing the English monograph and some studies some work I\'ve already published in English so after writing it in the form of diary; through the lens of my work, I have you know, seen the existing literature, instead of doing the inverse, okay, using existing literature to see my work.'),(20276,35,4466670,4487080,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I have used my work to examine the literature and what you call as theory for example, Paul Willis\'s work also I\'ve seen.'),(20277,35,4488640,4494980,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I\'ve written a chapter on the discipline committee and discipline so I\'ve seen.'),(20278,35,4494990,4503690,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Foucault’s work through the window of my work so that has been quite an interesting exercise.'),(20279,35,4504380,4526950,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For example, one chapter in my book is about the work culture and the shop floor culture and what children are doing and like Paul Willis talks about how children you know, reproduced through their culture.'),(20280,35,4527120,4540950,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The existing social realities, so my children, in my school, I found when I was also doing the same, but they were one premise I\'ve been able to.'),(20281,35,4542270,4544430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','To my work.'),(20282,35,4544440,4559530,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know I embarked upon very different kind of findings as compared to Paul Willis’s findings because children in my school were interested in studies.'),(20283,35,4559530,4599160,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','There were various circumstances which compel them to to work and to be you know the kind of things which happened in school and in classroom and that shop floor so yeah Gayithri instead of using theory initially, i\'ve used my work; after creating a coherent narrative to look at studies through the window of my work so that is what I did fantastic.'),(20284,35,4599670,4605900,'Gayithri','I think I really liked how you put it as like you have actually done the reverse.'),(20285,35,4607580,4615710,'Gayithri','Which is very important to capture, I feel, because, like at the end of the day, who says how research should be done or what is research.'),(20286,35,4617660,4637870,'Gayithri','I really like that piece that you clarified so who do you think is benefiting from this work if you were to think in terms of like what equity concern is your work addressing, if that is like the question that you have to answer or think about who do you think is.'),(20287,35,4639170,4644410,'Gayithri','Whose voices are being heard through your work or who is getting to.'),(20288,35,4646470,4648310,'Gayithri','Benefit from your work, you feel.'),(20289,35,4648310,4648340,'Gayithri','Like.'),(20290,35,4648340,4657380,'Gayithri','I want social inequities do you think you\'re addressing.'),(20291,35,4657390,4669790,'Gayithri','Yeah I think i\'ve been able to capture many voices, and that I feel is the essence of my work.'),(20292,35,4670430,4709660,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And the one thing that I tried to do and I kept reminding myself is to present, and when I was writing the narrative to present the voices, an array of voices and, through conversations, through you know the dialogues which were happening through.'),(20293,35,4709860,4732930,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Different episodes and anecdotes and describe the situation and also to look at it through the perspective of all the participants, so that I have sort of I have had.'),(20294,35,4734100,4740890,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I have, I think very carefully, try to weave that in.'),(20295,35,4742130,4769120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Because I feel that being immersed in the field for almost a decade yeah I feel it was my responsibility to present before the world the different kinds of voices the different kinds of the marginalities and.'),(20296,35,4769120,4790970,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The things and issues which were there in that area in the school because, now the kind of work which is happening in the area of sociology of education.'),(20297,35,4792280,4792930,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I feel.'),(20298,35,4795140,4808250,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','That this kind of immersion has not been possible for many sociologists and educationists of late.'),(20299,35,4809380,4823330,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And, and because of which the kind of layered understanding which is needed to understand a school or its locale better does not really come out.'),(20300,35,4826400,4826430,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Well.'),(20301,35,4826620,4836620,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So with that sense of responsibility, I have been able to capture various voices and yeah...'),(20302,35,4839460,4859780,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Is there like now thinking about like some of the work that has been going on in India, more broadly, either in relation to your work or similar to your work or kind of peripheral but important for your work, are you excited about any ongoing projects that you would like to mention.'),(20303,35,4862590,4863120,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','or.'),(20304,35,4864750,4865080,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Maybe.'),(20305,35,4870550,4871290,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Actually, many...'),(20306,35,4872970,4907010,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','yeah a lot of work has happened in the recent times i\'ve read educational regimes in contemporary India, which was by Radhika Chopra and Patricia Jeffrey which came out in 2005, but, it is an edited book and again Meenakshi Thapan’s work on ethnography of schooling in contemporary India, then.'),(20307,35,4907020,4915250,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Srivastava’s work, Sanjay Srivastava’s work is also quite exciting, which is on Doon school.'),(20308,35,4915690,4928060,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But yeah, I feel that my work is a little different in the sense that the way I got associated with this school, firstly, and also because of.'),(20309,35,4928060,4928246,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','The duration of my work is important.'),(20310,35,4928246,4928273,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','My.'),(20311,35,4928300,4936240,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','For example, some of them have worked in the field for.'),(20312,35,4950560,4952920,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A few months to.'),(20313,35,4954780,4956720,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','A year or so, but.'),(20314,35,4957880,4966291,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I think the duration of work is also important, so.'),(20315,35,4966291,4966950,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and then again.'),(20316,35,4970130,4981360,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I think this also one thing that I must say that my work underscores the importance of practitioners to reflect upon their work.'),(20317,35,4981850,4993770,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And to document it keeping in mind their positionality and, of course, the trustworthiness of the data; which I was very conscious about!'),(20318,35,4993850,5012110,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I kept comparing my observations with what teachers had to say, and what was documented in the minutes of the meeting, in the minutes of discipline Committee, and they [...] agenda committee meeting, and you know observations I did...'),(20319,35,5015100,5045840,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was very conscious of establishing the trustworthiness of the data and I was conscious of my positionality but I think that this work, my work does underscore the importance of practitioners to reflect upon their work and because practitioners, they are participants in the real sense of the term, and they can improve upon their practice and also bring about some changes.'),(20320,35,5046430,5057500,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And they are in the best position to understand relations of power and the structural cultural processes and the everyday.'),(20321,35,5058200,5069059,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So I feel that my own journey was not just about knowing this school and society, but of self inquiry as well, so.'),(20322,35,5071700,5093160,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','and I tried to connect the personal issues with perspectives and context, which helped me understand the prevalent discourses in the school and to influence some new discourses so yeah and.'),(20323,35,5094630,5110760,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yeah and another important thing that you have already asked me is to write without looking at an existing theoretical perspective and that truth most useful.'),(20324,35,5111340,5126020,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And because I wrote my journey and, as I told you earlier, in the form of a diary first and only later and I\'m writing and I have to send the book very soon Inshallah.'),(20325,35,5127270,5143880,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So writing the only data I wrote as academic articles involving references and linkages with literature and from the thick description.'),(20326,35,5143890,5169710,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I was able to create a coherent narrative, but I have, as I said, and I have highlighted both patterns and contradictions in my work.'),(20327,35,5169890,5194470,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','But I was also, I must say that I was immersed in the historical moment, but you will realize if you go through my work that I was able to maintain a critical distance from the staff and the children to be able to view what infused with some clarity.'),(20328,35,5196980,5210540,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And I\'ve written the book or from my perspective, but I\'ve tried to take into account as many voices as I could in describing different situations and contexts and relations and episodes.'),(20329,35,5211490,5216640,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','And I have not used, as I said, the existing theoretical perspective and I wrote it in the form of a diary and later I was able to, now I\'m able to draw linkages and i\'m writing in the form of a diary did.'),(20330,35,5222290,5241360,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Give me that flexibility to explore original constructs and ideas.'),(20331,35,5242690,5252950,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','So yeah I think that is the hallmark of my work and, of course, I have learned from all the other work which is happening.'),(20332,35,5252960,5261790,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Srivastava’s work which is amazing, and so is Meenakshi Thapan’s and Radhika Chopra’s so i\'ve been learning.'),(20333,35,5263530,5284898,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','I\'ve learned a lot from them, but I was luckily in a situation where I could spend much more time and I could reflect on my work, and I was a practitioner and yeah fantastic.'),(20334,35,5284940,5288110,'Gayithri','I think that has like an end to this conversation.'),(20335,35,5288130,5310280,'Gayithri','But I also understand that we are bound by the reality that we have to come to an end, maybe one last question, if you were to have like one or two advisors for like any newcomer who wants to jump into this kind of work in India, like a newcomer in the sense of even newcomer to context.'),(20336,35,5311370,5321008,'Gayithri','What would be your one or two points.'),(20337,35,5321008,5332042,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Yeah I don\'t know all journeys, all research journeys are different and one has to be patient and also enjoy the work and the challenges and I think there is a great possibility of practitioners, of teachers, writing about their work.'),(20338,35,5332042,5369870,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','Which has not happened so they need to, I think this work, and I hope, and I wish that my work will give practitioners a sense of direction, that sense of hope, and it will motivate them to look at their own work with much more...'),(20339,35,5372040,5388090,'Dr. Farah Farooqi','You know their respect, and they will gain the confidence to document and reflect on their work, to understand their work better and to bring about changes.'),(20340,35,5389070,5389130,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(20341,35,5389130,5398970,'Gayithri','Okay i\'m going to pause because I personally wanted to just thank you, it has been a wonderful conversation.'),(20342,35,5398990,5403950,'Gayithri','Thank you so much, thank you, maybe one last thing is if if you think.'),(20343,35,5404650,5414480,'Gayithri','We would benefit from talking to any of people in your circles, because we are not specifically being like limited to research work we are.'),(20344,35,5414790,5428130,'Gayithri','We would love to capture even like practitioner voice, as you rightly said, in fact, we recently interviewed a teacher who has been teaching for over 30 years and in fact that\'s the reason we even spoke to Harare when we did.'),(20345,35,5429490,5442780,'Gayithri','Because we wanted to really hear like the practitioner voice, so we are very much open So if you have any recommendation for whom we should talk to, if you find that somebody would fit well with our motives and our intention to capture.'),(20346,35,5443960,5448090,'Gayithri','The work that has been done in the subcontinent we would love to know more.'),(20347,35,5449030,5453450,'Gayithri','yeah I surely will take off people and eight, you know.'),(20348,35,5453830,5460050,'Gayithri','Thank you, thanks, a lot Dr for OK, I will let you go and continue with the rest of your wonderful day.'),(20349,35,5461010,5462870,'Gayithri','Okay Thank you so much.'),(20350,35,5465090,5465700,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(20351,35,5465700,5466460,'Gayithri','Thank you yeah.'),(20352,35,5467750,5474910,'Gayithri','yeah we\'ll stay in touch Dr farooqi am going to get back to you, of course, we will take some time to process this.'),(20353,35,5475660,5485810,'Gayithri','But then we will surely stay in touch and get back to you and I think very soon, one of my colleague will get back to you regarding like the pavement but then it\'s going to take a few months.'),(20354,35,5486940,5487990,'Gayithri','But I just wanted.'),(20355,35,5487990,5503130,'Gayithri','It yeah oh definitely but then we just also acknowledge that it is not usually the case that we get this kind of a fun thing so we\'re kind of proud of the funding that we received so we also want to make sure that it is it reaches.'),(20356,35,5504460,5508890,'Gayithri','People who are going to partner with us in this process in this journey.'),(20357,35,5509140,5511390,'Gayithri','So thank you so once.'),(20358,35,5511390,5513290,'Gayithri','Again guys play by tag.'),(20359,35,5514500,5514910,'Gayithri','yeah.'),(20360,35,5515830,5516220,'Gayithri','yeah.'),(20361,19,0,290,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(20362,19,580,9270,'Gayithri','So maybe just to get started, can you formally introduce yourself in whatever ways you feel comfortable?'),(20363,19,9270,12900,'Gayithri','How would you introduce yourself to our audience?'),(20364,19,13139,13499,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20365,19,14799,15149,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20366,19,15160,15399,'Farhat','Hi Gayithri.'),(20367,19,17109,29490,'Farhat','My name is Farhat Ara and I\'ll introduce myself as a learner, as an educator, science educator and an educational researcher.'),(20368,19,30270,38880,'Farhat','And I have been working in Srishti Manipal Institute of Art Design and Technology for the last eight years.'),(20369,19,39590,47300,'Farhat','And before that I did my PhD in design and technology education from Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education in Mumbai.'),(20370,19,48370,60530,'Farhat','And this is the learning has been in terms of, as a science educator, it had been a little tough to kind of fit myself.'),(20371,19,60850,66962,'Farhat','I looked at Srishti’s profile and I said, \"Oh, wow, this is something that I wanted to work in because they were working in education and something in design.'),(20372,19,66962,66969,'Farhat','But when I actually joined, I realized that, \"Oh, this is actually a design Institute.'),(20373,19,66969,66974,'Farhat','They are real designers here.\"'),(20374,19,66974,81259,'Farhat','And I was looking at design and technology for middle school children.'),(20375,19,81840,101419,'Farhat','So that was an interesting thing, but I got to learn a lot from my colleagues and the design practitioners there and try to incorporate and develop my own niche as a science educator and trying to connect design with other as disciplines, yeah.'),(20376,19,101419,107540,'Farhat','And I\'m going to share about that journey as to how I did that and created my own niche in that space.'),(20377,19,108250,109530,'Gayithri','Brilliant, beautiful.'),(20378,19,109590,110429,'Gayithri','I\'m excited.'),(20379,19,111250,113350,'Gayithri','So we can get us started.'),(20380,19,113440,126719,'Gayithri','If you can share a little about your, like the research projects that you\'re working on currently with your students, teachers, and maybe even designers and more broadly your work in design education.'),(20381,19,127469,127799,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20382,19,127809,131910,'Farhat','Do you want me to start with what I did as a design…'),(20383,19,134700,134989,'Gayithri','sure.'),(20384,19,135679,137560,'Farhat','As my research project and my...'),(20385,19,138050,138807,'Farhat','Because I can-'),(20386,19,138807,141609,'Gayithri','or you can start with a project you are currently doing okay.'),(20387,19,141610,142549,'Gayithri','You feel that that\'s a better-'),(20388,19,142850,150549,'Farhat','that kind of a flow, because that really helps me align with what I want to and construct my argument around that.'),(20389,19,150750,150990,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20390,19,151050,151390,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20391,19,151550,152300,'Gayithri','Go ahead please.'),(20392,19,152470,152880,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20393,19,153270,175709,'Farhat','So yeah, my research was contextualized as you know, that within this larger framework of design and technology education program in Mumbai at home Homi Bhabha Centre and the broad goal of this program was to introduce design and technology education for Indian middle school children.'),(20394,19,176459,189040,'Farhat','And so my research has two broad parts, which is, looking at exploring student teachers and designers, ideas about design and attitude towards designers and design.'),(20395,19,189460,197510,'Farhat','And the second part was about developing a theoretical framework based on the survey for developing design activities for the curriculum.'),(20396,19,198029,207019,'Farhat','So the first part I did it through survey and semi-structured interviews, and the second part was through workshops and iterations that I tried out.'),(20397,19,207469,221750,'Farhat','And so from the analysis, it was, it\'s quite apparent that students would generate the ideas and associate design mostly with the art practices, with decoration painting and pattern making.'),(20398,19,222070,226740,'Farhat','But it was also teachers who believed, or had this ideas about design.'),(20399,19,227560,234960,'Farhat','And students and teachers through the interview process also, I came to realize that it was also something.'),(20400,19,234960,243630,'Farhat','Their ideas were influenced by how design was portrayed in the media, as something which is very trivial and relegated to the status of decoration and aesthetics.'),(20401,19,244859,248089,'Farhat','So my second part of my...'),(20402,19,251549,262530,'Farhat','I think I would love to talk about another aspect of my research was where younger students were asked to draw a designer at work.'),(20403,19,262870,266050,'Farhat','And in this task, I...'),(20404,19,266050,267420,'Farhat','No, sorry, not the younger students.'),(20405,19,267500,270105,'Farhat','I think all of them were asked to draw a designer at work.'),(20406,19,270209,286510,'Farhat','And in this drawing task, both boys and girls, they seem to have assigned gender and professional stereotypes in their drawings by depicting more number of female designers and that also more number of female dress designers of fashion designers.'),(20407,19,287160,299690,'Farhat','And interestingly, this stereotype seemed to grow progressively with age, which means that older children were depicting more female dress designers and artists than younger students.'),(20408,19,303210,313860,'Farhat','Coming in my second part of my work was around looking at developing a theoretical framework for developing and organizing the design activities.'),(20409,19,314220,325690,'Farhat','And I looked at Phil Roberts’s model of looking at what are the different roles that students can take in a design classroom?'),(20410,19,326680,340790,'Farhat','So it could be the context of designer, the maker, the user, and the observer, and this four roles view really helped me to develop my design activities and organize the experiences of students.'),(20411,19,341629,348760,'Farhat','And, so that\'s the broader frame that I wanted to share about my thesis.'),(20412,19,349340,374384,'Farhat','And the idea that this has my own personal understanding of design has transformed so much, but when I actually joined at a workplace with professional designers, and I\'m going to talk about it later as the conversation grows.'),(20413,19,374599,374919,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20414,19,375759,376049,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20415,19,376180,376750,'Gayithri','For sure.'),(20416,19,377260,381150,'Gayithri','So where geographically, was this work located?'),(20417,19,381150,387020,'Gayithri','The place where you asked the folks to draw designer at work?'),(20418,19,387059,387849,'Farhat','Yeah, yeah.'),(20419,19,387849,408590,'Farhat','So these were all from Mumbai and the students were the children of employees from the Homi Bhabha Centre Research Center and the Department of [inaudible] and these were employees from a diverse levels of occupation ranging from a technician or a mechanic to the scientific officers and scientists.'),(20420,19,408930,412525,'Farhat','And the students also came with diverse cultural and linguistic backgrounds.'),(20421,19,412760,414039,'Farhat','And this really helped me.'),(20422,19,414539,424330,'Farhat','This was interesting because I wanted to see what are the counterparts in their own language about design, about how did they understood design in their own Indian languages?'),(20423,19,425070,435750,'Farhat','And, yeah, so, and the teachers also similarly came from diverse linguistic background and designer sample was very few, very located.'),(20424,19,435810,454950,'Farhat','These are all design students, PhD students and I wanted to see a comparison between what are the nuanced ideas in the design among the design professionals vis-a-vis the understanding of design among the students and teachers.'),(20425,19,455670,458640,'Farhat','That was the main idea of comparing as well.'),(20426,19,459540,459940,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(20427,19,460160,465450,'Gayithri','And I know you mentioned that there was linguistic diversity.'),(20428,19,465480,467230,'Gayithri','Would you want to just comment a little?'),(20429,19,467300,467630,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20430,19,467970,477950,'Farhat','It was, I think most of them came up with words like color as the one that associated with design.'),(20431,19,479210,483790,'Farhat','I mean color or counterparts of color in other Indian languages.'),(20432,19,484340,490039,'Farhat','And so I had one translator who would really literally sat together together and said, \"What does this word mean?'),(20433,19,490039,491880,'Farhat','In Kannada, what does it mean?\"'),(20434,19,492280,499256,'Farhat','Whatever the students had written and all of them irrespectively of what state they came from.'),(20435,19,499256,500510,'Farhat','It was all color.'),(20436,19,500839,502620,'Farhat','The word that they associated with design.'),(20437,19,503020,507820,'Farhat','Whereas when we talked to designers, they said, \"No more.'),(20438,19,508170,508800,'Farhat','Color is art.'),(20439,19,508830,509510,'Farhat','We are designers.'),(20440,19,509510,511630,'Farhat','We are not artists.\"'),(20441,19,513400,514370,'Farhat','So, yeah.'),(20442,19,514370,519870,'Farhat','So that was the interesting thing that I found out.'),(20443,19,525060,526930,'Gayithri','Anything else you want to add about...'),(20444,19,526930,532569,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned that students were coming from homes of different kinds.'),(20445,19,532569,534859,'Gayithri','Would you want to elaborate a little on that?'),(20446,19,537170,539880,'Farhat','I personally, I mean, there was not.'),(20447,19,541450,554220,'Farhat','Even though the students came from a different background, the fact that the language, there was this aspect of language that I probed them on one aspect.'),(20448,19,554700,570280,'Farhat','I think there was this overall attitude towards design that, which was very common across all students, in respect to what the...'),(20449,19,570660,578420,'Farhat','The interesting thing was that they understood what, they perceived design as something which was meant only for women or girls.'),(20450,19,580850,586790,'Farhat','It was not like they, \"Oh, I would want to learn about design, but yeah, this is not meant for me as a boy.'),(20451,19,587040,588050,'Farhat','It is for girls.\"'),(20452,19,588370,592459,'Farhat','These are soft, skilled professions, and these are meant for girls.'),(20453,19,592840,604080,'Farhat','And I think this has important implications because when teaching right now in Srishti, we see a larger population of students as girls here.'),(20454,19,605190,605300,'Gayithri','Wow.'),(20455,19,605570,606159,'Farhat','You, and yeah.'),(20456,19,606160,620340,'Farhat','I mean, you can actually see how this kind of imagery and this kind of attitude actually reflects in practice where you actually see more representation of women and girls in design institutes.'),(20457,19,621270,621510,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(20458,19,622330,628659,'Gayithri','So it\'s gotten a gendered connotation from middle school that kind of then shows off in these settings.'),(20459,19,628669,629819,'Farhat','Yeah, absolutely.'),(20460,19,630309,647519,'Farhat','And I think I wanted to talk about it later, where I was also interested in looking at gender, how gender plays out in different places starting from school textbooks, even looking at...'),(20461,19,648070,653879,'Farhat','If you look at the kind of visual representations that you have in school textbooks and the imageries, it is so...'),(20462,19,653879,661890,'Farhat','There are so many stereotypes and discriminations that are already associated with imageries.'),(20463,19,664820,668390,'Farhat','And these visual images are very powerful.'),(20464,19,669240,672010,'Farhat','They tend to speak more than words, right?'),(20465,19,672340,672440,'Gayithri','Yes.'),(20466,19,672650,678590,'Farhat','So it\'s how they are internalized these stereotypes through imageries.'),(20467,19,678590,694900,'Farhat','And then if you actually see that reflected in career choices, because you don\'t see women represented in STEM courses or women represented even in occupations, and that\'s the reason why you choose certain occupations.'),(20468,19,695280,695630,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20469,19,696200,697420,'Gayithri','Yeah, yeah.'),(20470,19,698490,698940,'Gayithri','For sure.'),(20471,19,698940,702749,'Gayithri','Well hopefully we will get to that as we continue.'),(20472,19,703220,710600,'Gayithri','So speaking of your current practice, how would you describe your professional role right now?'),(20473,19,711429,719020,'Farhat','Yeah, so I\'m a faculty at Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design, and Technology.'),(20474,19,719079,726290,'Farhat','And this is, India\'s one of the most renowned Institute in design and also one of the oldest.'),(20475,19,727360,737579,'Farhat','I would, again, as I said, my practice would be as a learner, as an educator and as an educational researcher, I have been engaged in teaching courses.'),(20476,19,738139,760490,'Farhat','And also right now, currently I\'m co-heading a course at Srishti as the head of studies called The Creative Education Course and this is fairly a new course introduced in Srishti and perhaps one of the only Institute in India that offers a design degree for an education course.'),(20477,19,762380,778550,'Farhat','It\'s quite challenging and equally exciting to work in this interdisciplinary space, because when we look at education and learning from a designerly lens, how do you bring in innovation and creativity in that space of learning?'),(20478,19,779130,788180,'Farhat','And the main idea is to look if you use art and design tools when we are facilitating for these students.'),(20479,19,788180,800220,'Farhat','And there are also these mindful practices and reflective approaches in our learning approach.'),(20480,19,800230,835660,'Farhat','As the head of studies, I also have this responsibility of managing the course, providing academic leadership for the course in terms of helping facilitators who are teaching courses in creative education with planning, if they want to, or ensuring that the plan that they make reflects the course objectives and also address students\' concerns and provide and in fact, track each and every student and guide them throughout the course.'),(20481,19,835660,835700,'Farhat','As a learner and collaborator, I think I always love to learn new things, new ideas, and new skills.'),(20482,19,835700,835725,'Farhat','And I love to get inspired from people and their best practices.'),(20483,19,835725,835791,'Farhat','So I try to emulate best practices in my work style and I believe that people can offer you new perspectives when you actually but you might not have thought of.'),(20484,19,835791,835852,'Farhat','And this is the reason why I learned to code when I joined Srishti, and this was something for the first time that I had learned in my life.'),(20485,19,835852,840979,'Farhat','Luckily I got acquainted with a few fantastic people in my workplace, and they really helped me to learn a great deal in terms of storytelling in terms of art practices.'),(20486,19,840979,908629,'Farhat','And I learned Scratch on the go, and then also taught it to my son who was like, I think, five or six year old at that time, and then facilitated this to a group of kids from marginalized backgrounds.'),(20487,19,909149,913700,'Farhat','They were from some urban slums in Bangalore.'),(20488,19,914910,929770,'Farhat','It was a failure for me because I could not actually communicate in Kannada and it was struggling with the language and also troubleshooting on Scratch was challenging for me.'),(20489,19,930320,951090,'Farhat','But it got as an event as an eye opener for me, because I happened to also got an opportunity to interact with one of the ex-Srishti students who was working with MIT Media Lab during that time.'),(20490,19,951480,958280,'Farhat','And she happened to come and do workshops with the same kids that I had worked with.'),(20491,19,958850,981009,'Farhat','And really it was a great learning experience for me to witness how she used storytelling and how she used art as a way of self expression, and as a way of really communicating with each other and making stories using technology and design.'),(20492,19,981529,991460,'Farhat','So that really helped me to really see how do I place myself, how do I place what I have learned?'),(20493,19,991830,994910,'Farhat','I am also fascinated with science and life science.'),(20494,19,995160,1002519,'Farhat','How do I really use science, with stories, with design and with art as well as technology?'),(20495,19,1002740,1003060,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20496,19,1003980,1013590,'Farhat','So as a teaching faculty, then I have been engaged in developing interdisciplinary units, both at the graduate level and the postgraduate level.'),(20497,19,1014020,1023189,'Farhat','And I really love to work at this confluence of art, design, literature, history of science and philosophy of science.'),(20498,19,1024659,1025159,'Gayithri','Brilliant.'),(20499,19,1028970,1035559,'Gayithri','Can you tell a little about the community with whom you work, the geographic context in which all of this work is going on?'),(20500,19,1035569,1048060,'Gayithri','I know you briefly mentioned that you worked with the socioeconomic leaders at the engaged pockets of Bangalore initially, but then if you want to expand a little more on that.'),(20501,19,1048060,1048440,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20502,19,1050020,1061899,'Farhat','So that was a special school, which was where special guidance, which, where Srishti was worked for their curriculum, was developing the curriculum for this particular school.'),(20503,19,1063060,1067874,'Farhat','Whereas this is apart from the students community at Srishti.'),(20504,19,1067874,1080010,'Farhat','The community of students, at Srishti and the teachers that I work with, they come from all over India and they are diverse in terms of culture, language, and even practice.'),(20505,19,1080469,1099479,'Farhat','So, you have as a faculty and as a facilitator, we are very sensitive to this and provide support in terms of every kind of support in terms of embracing this diversity and making the class very inclusive.'),(20506,19,1099479,1110389,'Farhat','And we also have students who need learning support and who have identified themselves with certain extra support needs, or that they require.'),(20507,19,1111149,1114639,'Farhat','And they identify themselves during the time of admission.'),(20508,19,1115020,1128890,'Farhat','And we monitor these students individually, and help them and provide appropriate support through the course during teaching, during assessment and help them in learning.'),(20509,19,1130000,1140930,'Farhat','The teaching community, of course, again, as I said, they are also coming from diverse backgrounds with culturally different and also diverse set of practices.'),(20510,19,1141370,1146130,'Farhat','So you have artists and designs from different disciplines.'),(20511,19,1146440,1157340,'Farhat','You have mathematicians, you have environmentalists, you have ecologists, you have science educators, storytellers, filmmakers, and performers.'),(20512,19,1157350,1166429,'Farhat','So I think this rich set of diversity allows for a lot of collaborations to happen among faculty.'),(20513,19,1166630,1171419,'Farhat','And this has led to some really interesting and innovative courses to develop.'),(20514,19,1171770,1175379,'Farhat','I think there is no...'),(20515,19,1175530,1182329,'Farhat','We don\'t have a separate distinct discipline or a department, right.'),(20516,19,1182590,1190460,'Farhat','So it\'s very open and there is a lot of intermingling of ideas and practices also as well.'),(20517,19,1191020,1191230,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20518,19,1191480,1192170,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(20519,19,1192380,1205459,'Gayithri','And would you want to explain, maybe give an example of any one of those innovative or very interesting course or something that came up because of these collaborations?'),(20520,19,1205500,1205970,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20521,19,1205970,1209630,'Farhat','I think one of the course that I did with...'),(20522,19,1209630,1224370,'Farhat','I was interested in biology and in life science and there was a faculty who was in visual communication and we wanted to marry visual communication with life science.'),(20523,19,1224930,1228620,'Farhat','And this was a project space where students had...'),(20524,19,1228719,1233100,'Farhat','This was a fourth year project where students had to work independently most of the time.'),(20525,19,1233690,1240659,'Farhat','And we provided them with the art and design tools and the context, and they came up with diverse set of ideas.'),(20526,19,1242959,1253280,'Farhat','So life science was a springboard for them to use the content of life science and the product outcome was in terms of visual communication.'),(20527,19,1253590,1264820,'Farhat','So it could be books, it could be posters, it could be videos, animation, films, but the content has to be around life science.'),(20528,19,1265260,1288589,'Farhat','So it was a very interesting project and I just loved it because I had seen something for the first time that, just a context of life science and we looked at different ideas in science, in life science, classification of organisms, playing with hydro, playing with microbes and giving them different kinds of ideas to work around.'),(20529,19,1288870,1295579,'Farhat','And they took it in two different directions and came up with different ideas in visual communications.'),(20530,19,1295740,1296020,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20531,19,1297100,1326880,'Farhat','And there was one more where one of we co-designed one unit where I was working with Scratch and one of my colleagues, she was working with storytelling and understanding communities and that was a really beautiful course that I co-facilitated with her, where we looked at how storytelling could be done through Scratch and using digital media, as well as physical materials out there.'),(20532,19,1327080,1329210,'Farhat','And we did role plays and performances.'),(20533,19,1329690,1332739,'Farhat','So that was also something that was very exciting.'),(20534,19,1332989,1333269,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20535,19,1334089,1334689,'Gayithri','Beautiful.'),(20536,19,1335100,1345320,'Gayithri','And I know you mentioned earlier about how it is a predominantly female group of students that Srishti has historically attracted.'),(20537,19,1346330,1355570,'Gayithri','Do you want to comment on that more for how this has shaped your teaching and learning in classrooms or the codes design?'),(20538,19,1355580,1355600,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20539,19,1359800,1361499,'Farhat','I mean, there are certain...'),(20540,19,1362410,1380710,'Farhat','I mean, now that I reflect back, it\'s really when you look at some of the courses have more voice and then when you actually look at which are those courses which attracts more boys, and those are animation courses.'),(20541,19,1381200,1383859,'Farhat','Those are human centered design courses.'),(20542,19,1384330,1389885,'Farhat','Those are user experience design courses, right.'),(20543,19,1390250,1392800,'Farhat','And which are the courses which have more female students?'),(20544,19,1392870,1404349,'Farhat','You say those are contemporary art practices, those are creative education, those are perhaps more...'),(20545,19,1404670,1407560,'Farhat','You see a balance between product designing, you see both of them.'),(20546,19,1407960,1414290,'Farhat','But there are definitely some courses which attract more female students and some which are more...'),(20547,19,1414910,1445930,'Farhat','And perhaps it comes from a certain kind of stereotypes and imaginations about what career suits a girl and which are the softer, design domains, and which are the hard skills, human centered, for example, you working with technology, you\'re working with user interface, and then business, “BSSG” is another course which we have, where it\'s associated with entrepreneurship and business strategies.'),(20548,19,1446130,1448280,'Farhat','You\'ll find more boys there, right.'),(20549,19,1448570,1457430,'Farhat','So of course this kind of imaginations are coming from that stereotypes that are already existing in society.'),(20550,19,1457650,1457840,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20551,19,1457840,1458620,'Gayithri','For sure.'),(20552,19,1463560,1464620,'Gayithri','Are these electives?'),(20553,19,1464880,1468960,'Gayithri','So do you try to talk to students before they take these courses or-'),(20554,19,1469010,1469880,'Farhat','Yeah, yeah.'),(20555,19,1470040,1470300,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20556,19,1470340,1471790,'Farhat','We really mentor them.'),(20557,19,1472460,1487079,'Farhat','And if the students are lacking in certain say, for example, if they\'re lacking in design thinking skills, then we really help them say that, \"Okay, you have not have enough credits on design thinking,\" or something that will help you build your portfolios.'),(20558,19,1487540,1489210,'Farhat','Then you must take these courses.'),(20559,19,1489219,1505289,'Farhat','So we really help each of those students to navigate through the courses and the beautiful part about creative education, the course that I\'m co-leading with my colleague is that this is a very interdisciplinary course.'),(20560,19,1505660,1521560,'Farhat','So education is situated everywhere and we do not look at education only in the classroom context, but in diverse spaces, like museums, zoos, even spaces like public spaces, how can learning happen there?'),(20561,19,1522040,1530820,'Farhat','And by wondering that widens the scope of where you can actually design intervention and facilitate learning in those spaces.'),(20562,19,1532680,1542909,'Farhat','So, what happens is that these students can actually have maybe 35% in their core discipline, but they can actually take from other disciplines as well.'),(20563,19,1543530,1549659,'Farhat','So they are situated in their course, but navigate between other courses.'),(20564,19,1549670,1561000,'Farhat','So they\'re taking human centered design, they go for business strategies, they go for visual communication and take up the skills from there so that it generates two other skills that they can gather.'),(20565,19,1562090,1564660,'Gayithri','Nice, nice.'),(20566,19,1564859,1570130,'Farhat','I wanted to share my experience once as when you\'re now talking about it.'),(20567,19,1570340,1571710,'Farhat','It\'s long and I forgot.'),(20568,19,1571710,1575729,'Farhat','It was one of the...'),(20569,19,1576420,1578640,'Farhat','It\'s like how stereotypes...'),(20570,19,1578940,1582224,'Farhat','So this was the first time that I had taken up hijab.'),(20571,19,1582559,1583864,'Farhat','You know me, right.'),(20572,19,1584000,1584940,'Farhat','I was not, I was-'),(20573,19,1585220,1586254,'Gayithri','Exactly, that was one of the things.'),(20574,19,1586254,1589270,'Gayithri','And I was like, I know that it\'s also very sensitive.'),(20575,19,1589460,1600340,'Farhat','It was something that I wanted to identify myself with and I mean, I don\'t know, I just had a conversation with someone and they said, \"Hey, you don\'t look like a Muslim.\"'),(20576,19,1600720,1601530,'Farhat','I said, \"Okay.'),(20577,19,1602030,1605270,'Farhat','I will look like a Muslim.\"'),(20578,19,1605320,1607479,'Farhat','And you will, from far, you will know.'),(20579,19,1607899,1613260,'Farhat','And whatever you have to say, you have to say it in front of me on my face and I\'m going to be dressed up this way.'),(20580,19,1613950,1619889,'Farhat','So anyway, and then what happened was that I was offering one.'),(20581,19,1620180,1625969,'Farhat','So we don\'t disclose when the students are choosing electives or any courses.'),(20582,19,1626660,1634360,'Farhat','We don\'t disclose the names of the faculty because that creates bias and you have more students signing up for particular faculty.'),(20583,19,1634810,1635525,'Farhat','And so it\'s-'),(20584,19,1635525,1639149,'Gayithri','Just the course that is being offered, but you don\'t tell who\'s instructing the courses.'),(20585,19,1639169,1640139,'Farhat','Yeah, exactly.'),(20586,19,1640299,1645969,'Farhat','So we just give them the abstract and not disclose other than that.'),(20587,19,1646520,1665160,'Farhat','So there was this course that I was offering, which was Critical Issues in Science and Technology, and really looking at this interplay of science, technology, and society and this was early on when I had joined Srishti and I was really interested in doing that.'),(20588,19,1665890,1670910,'Farhat','And many of the boys joined this course and I was intimidated.'),(20589,19,1670910,1676869,'Farhat','I said, \"Oh,” out of 30 students, there were more...'),(20590,19,1676939,1679450,'Farhat','I think 75% of them were boys.'),(20591,19,1680209,1689400,'Farhat','And when I entered the classroom on the first day, it was like, \"Are you facilitating this course?\"'),(20592,19,1690840,1691570,'Farhat','I said, \"Yes.\"'),(20593,19,1692870,1694520,'Farhat','\"You are facilitating this course?\"'),(20594,19,1694889,1695810,'Farhat','I said, \"Yes.'),(20595,19,1697850,1699570,'Farhat','“Science, technology and society?\"'),(20596,19,1699980,1700610,'Farhat','I said, \"Yes.\"'),(20597,19,1702600,1707190,'Farhat','It was very, very starking, like on my face, right.'),(20598,19,1707240,1714560,'Farhat','And after that I think just on the first day itself, the second day, a few of the students wanted to leave the course.'),(20599,19,1715409,1719259,'Gayithri','They told that or implicit…'),(20600,19,1720379,1720889,'Farhat','Implicit.'),(20601,19,1721049,1721379,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20602,19,1721399,1731099,'Farhat','It implicit, because on the first day itself, we had something about, you talked about some politics and something, and then they didn\'t appreciate.'),(20603,19,1732289,1736639,'Farhat','But it was something like, I was really shaken.'),(20604,19,1736869,1740049,'Farhat','That shook me, but yeah.'),(20605,19,1740539,1742039,'Farhat','I said, \"Okay, no problem.'),(20606,19,1742039,1747969,'Farhat','I\'m just going to do what I\'m doing and what I love doing best,\" so yeah.'),(20607,19,1750429,1754889,'Gayithri','That must have shook you because coming from Homi Bhabha.'),(20608,19,1755559,1755799,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20609,19,1756939,1762799,'Gayithri','Like in Srishti, you would\'ve thought, some ideas about what these spaces will feel like for you.'),(20610,19,1762959,1763389,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20611,19,1764419,1764649,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20612,19,1764649,1769599,'Farhat','But then it was also my first experience of teaching adult students.'),(20613,19,1770969,1776349,'Farhat','Of really looking at what their aspirations are, what their motivations are.'),(20614,19,1778459,1782509,'Farhat','Something that helped me, and these were all mature students, like 3rd years.'),(20615,19,1782509,1802269,'Farhat','And so, I don\'t know, I mean, this incident was just on my face saying that, \"Hey, there is a certain stereotypes associated with” what is the image of, and there were many, many things that were deeply visible.'),(20616,19,1803209,1812949,'Farhat','For example, just that women cannot teach an STS or science technology program and that too a Muslim woman.'),(20617,19,1812959,1817419,'Farhat','So how dare you teach something like that to us?'),(20618,19,1818339,1822419,'Farhat','I mean, it was a nasty thing that happened on the first day.'),(20619,19,1822439,1826819,'Farhat','And then, yeah, so that was something.'),(20620,19,1827059,1829559,'Farhat','I mean, because we have certain discussions round politics, around government and that I think...'),(20621,19,1829559,1850819,'Farhat','And the problem was that they were not able to take government as an objective body, but more as something that was more a political group rather than an objective body.'),(20622,19,1851009,1853749,'Gayithri','And it is that it is beyond critique.'),(20623,19,1854039,1855169,'Farhat','Yeah, exactly.'),(20624,19,1855679,1856999,'Gayithri','Critique and it is sacred…'),(20625,19,1857659,1858259,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20626,19,1858449,1863139,'Farhat','It didn\'t set well and it really shook me and I have never taught that unit again.'),(20627,19,1864019,1871369,'Gayithri','No, that\'s also unfortunate because your school should have if possible made room for more of those.'),(20628,19,1871379,1871399,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20629,19,1872229,1875579,'Farhat','But no, I have not shared that with my school.'),(20630,19,1875719,1881399,'Farhat','No, I have not shared, so I was ashamed.'),(20631,19,1881809,1882799,'Farhat','I was ashamed.'),(20632,19,1883229,1885159,'Gayithri','No, but it should be the other way Farhat-'),(20633,19,1885529,1886549,'Farhat','I know, I know.'),(20634,19,1886579,1887079,'Farhat','I know, Gayithri.'),(20635,19,1888499,1888939,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20636,19,1889779,1899139,'Gayithri','We come to realize so many things like so much later, because it takes time to sit with it and to really grapple with what actually happened.'),(20637,19,1900589,1911929,'Farhat','I was embarrassed to even share this and say that something like this has happened and to it reliving the same thing it\'s when you\'re sharing and now it\'s-'),(20638,19,1911929,1912889,'Gayithri','Thank you so much.'),(20639,19,1912909,1913479,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(20640,19,1913709,1915227,'Gayithri','And thanks a lot for sharing.'),(20641,19,1915369,1916399,'Gayithri','It meant a lot for me.'),(20642,19,1916679,1917349,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20643,19,1917529,1924049,'Farhat','I mean, yeah, there are issues which I face in my day to day life because of I wear this.'),(20644,19,1924049,1924222,'Gayithri','And openly identifying.'),(20645,19,1924222,1924279,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20646,19,1924279,1924337,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20647,19,1924337,1930348,'Farhat','And I hear comments like, \"Oh, when are you going to wear your black robe now?'),(20648,19,1930939,1936669,'Farhat','When are you going to cover your head now, cover your face now?\"'),(20649,19,1937459,1940199,'Farhat','And that keeps me strong.'),(20650,19,1940209,1946539,'Farhat','I have learned to really take that and not get influenced by it at all now.'),(20651,19,1949819,1953859,'Farhat','And I said that it is also something that...'),(20652,19,1955169,1964829,'Farhat','It\'s not just a political decision, but also something that reminds me when I wear this, I know I cannot do any ugly thing in my life.'),(20653,19,1965709,1971259,'Farhat','When I do this, I know that I cannot be doing any wrong things to anyone.'),(20654,19,1972549,1981099,'Farhat','It\'s a constant reminder to me that I am a Muslim and I\'m a good Muslim, that I am holding...'),(20655,19,1982219,1993071,'Farhat','It\'s like responsibility that I am holding on myself saying that I cannot be doing bad things because it\'s then again, going to portray on the community.'),(20656,19,1993071,1993199,'Farhat','So it is with a lot of responsibility that I\'m wearing it.'),(20657,19,1993199,1993221,'Farhat','I\'m sorry.'),(20658,19,1993221,1993264,'Gayithri','No, no, no, no.'),(20659,19,1993264,2019629,'Gayithri','I hear you and just to add a little bit to that, that was one of the reasons that I actually stopped wearing a bindi and stopped wearing a mangal sutra or whatever because that is the expectation in my community so that I look more Hindu.'),(20660,19,2020119,2024379,'Gayithri','But when I was working with teachers, there are all kinds of teachers.'),(20661,19,2024819,2028899,'Gayithri','I don\'t want to identify in a way that makes me exclusive.'),(20662,19,2030379,2036974,'Gayithri','That kind of throws on people\'s space that dominant power in this society, right.'),(20663,19,2037189,2040749,'Gayithri','Just being a Hindu, being, especially a Brahman woman.'),(20664,19,2041109,2047649,'Gayithri','It is already a lot of power that I have to grapple with for every space that I enter.'),(20665,19,2047729,2052949,'Gayithri','Now I don\'t want to further it by decorating myself and flaunting it.'),(20666,19,2053259,2065269,'Gayithri','Rather, I would try to see how I can make the space more equitable by dropping down some of those and to really be more open and welcoming.'),(20667,19,2066229,2073499,'Gayithri','And that is when long back, this is even before I came here, I stopped wearing all of these for similar reasons.'),(20668,19,2074339,2080589,'Gayithri','Political partly but more, it was about this personal empowerment.'),(20669,19,2081369,2081769,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20670,19,2081829,2091229,'Farhat','I mean, I feel empowered because now I know there are conversations behind my back and I don\'t care about it.'),(20671,19,2091539,2096829,'Farhat','But now I say, my statement is that you have to accept me as I am.'),(20672,19,2097429,2103509,'Farhat','You have to really, because this is not hindering my thinking process or anything in any way.'),(20673,19,2103979,2106649,'Farhat','This is who I am and you have to accept me.'),(20674,19,2108029,2113799,'Farhat','Even if I don\'t wear this, my name itself is suggestive of who I am, right.'),(20675,19,2114059,2119699,'Farhat','So if you want to discriminate, you\'re going to discriminate even with my name even if I don\'t wear it, right.'),(20676,19,2120009,2126489,'Farhat','So I wear it by choice because I want to be identified and I want you to accept me with that.'),(20677,19,2126729,2126809,'Gayithri','Exactly.'),(20678,19,2127069,2131509,'Farhat','So that\'s my, that is-'),(20679,19,2131509,2131932,'Gayithri','That is your fuller self.'),(20680,19,2131932,2132188,'Gayithri','That is your fuller self.'),(20681,19,2132239,2132579,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20682,19,2132709,2133623,'Gayithri','No, thanks for bringing that in.'),(20683,19,2133623,2134039,'Gayithri','Yeah, no, that is very powerful, Farhat.'),(20684,19,2134819,2139619,'Gayithri','I\'m really proud of you.'),(20685,19,2139619,2139849,'Farhat','Thank you.'),(20686,19,2143479,2143499,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20687,19,2143509,2145099,'Gayithri','How did you get into this?'),(20688,19,2145329,2152669,'Gayithri','How did you start with this journey now, just thinking about what personally got you to do this work that you\'re doing today?'),(20689,19,2152819,2156829,'Gayithri','What motivated you to take up design education?'),(20690,19,2157469,2165589,'Farhat','Yeah, I mean, I think I, always I had been part of this design technology group during my co-graduate courses.'),(20691,19,2165629,2173419,'Farhat','And I was reading a lot of things and they were already existing like research papers and people were doing this.'),(20692,19,2173419,2174219,'Farhat','It was a large group.'),(20693,19,2174269,2179839,'Farhat','I mean, not large, but maybe few people, two or three people were working already on design technology.'),(20694,19,2180549,2198549,'Farhat','And I think what got me interested was to look at design as something which is different from, designability as different from the scientific ability or the humanities stream and that got me really interested.'),(20695,19,2198689,2210369,'Farhat','And I think this is not my statement, but this has been a code by designers themselves like Bruce Archer, Nigel Cross, and many other, Bryan Lawson.'),(20696,19,2210379,2214239,'Farhat','And they\'ve always identified design as distinct from science and the humanities.'),(20697,19,2214799,2217159,'Farhat','And they say that if design is something which is...'),(20698,19,2217589,2236489,'Farhat','If we want literacy and numeracy to be a part of school curriculum, design leads to constructive thinking and externalizing thoughts, which is very different from scientific capabilities and that should be included as part of design for general education.'),(20699,19,2236489,2241729,'Farhat','I think that got me really into really seeing how I should be working towards that.'),(20700,19,2242989,2243329,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20701,19,2244189,2244889,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(20702,19,2245899,2246159,'Gayithri','And-'),(20703,19,2246639,2247009,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20704,19,2247669,2247879,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20705,19,2247879,2248189,'Gayithri','Sorry.'),(20706,19,2248189,2248483,'Farhat','Go ahead.'),(20707,19,2248629,2249519,'Farhat','No, no, it\'s okay.'),(20708,19,2249599,2250209,'Farhat','Please go on.'),(20709,19,2251069,2254919,'Gayithri','Oh, no, I was just asking, so how do you name the field?'),(20710,19,2255089,2263079,'Gayithri','Do you call it design education or is there any other name that you or your research community or your practice community goes with?'),(20711,19,2263729,2269329,'Farhat','Yeah, I think design education is what I would call it.'),(20712,19,2270709,2273989,'Farhat','I\'m talking about my research work.'),(20713,19,2274169,2285299,'Farhat','Definitely that fits in within the framework or within the work of design and technology education or STEM learning, or STEAM learning so that I can easily place under.'),(20714,19,2285869,2300179,'Farhat','My trouble starts when I start to place work, that I\'m doing in Srishti right now, which is so interdisciplinary that it really, I find it difficult to really say where should I place it.'),(20715,19,2300709,2325149,'Farhat','So just to give you an example of the courses that I\'ve been teaching is to look at say Darwin\'s theory, evolutionary theory by natural selection and children’s literature, and to really see that connections between how Darwin\'s theory has influenced or children\'s authors of the contemporary times.'),(20716,19,2326769,2327789,'Farhat','And then just to look at...'),(20717,19,2332619,2344679,'Farhat','They look at how Darwin\'s theory has real life implications in terms of how this has been misappropriated, misused, social darwinism to uphold racism.'),(20718,19,2345219,2359416,'Farhat','And then we looked at different aspects of Darwin\'s theory itself, but the idea was not to teach them content, not overwhelm them with scientific content, but to really appreciate how the theories developed in science and how it influences it.'),(20719,19,2359416,2361493,'Farhat','It does not remain within its core, but influences everything around.'),(20720,19,2361493,2388039,'Farhat','So these were something that I was exploring with my students and also one aspect which is very true in most science discoveries, which is about this single narrative or the single story.'),(20721,19,2388369,2391339,'Farhat','There is this hero or the discoverer.'),(20722,19,2391349,2395979,'Farhat','He or she is the one who is going to discover, and there is nobody around him.'),(20723,19,2395989,2418759,'Farhat','So that we were challenging that narrative and because we were challenging that narrative, I have to really take them through the history of science to really see what were the different ideas and context where this person was working and how that person is actually sitting on the shoulders of different giants, not so he\'s or she\'s not this.'),(20724,19,2418959,2436399,'Farhat','And then that we were looking at this in the context of Darwin\'s theory, we were looking at in the context of penicillin discovery, and Fleming\'s discovery and microbes and so there were different things that I\'m working on and developing.'),(20725,19,2437889,2443929,'Farhat','So these are some courses that I find difficult to really place under and name it.'),(20726,19,2444389,2447009,'Farhat','So I\'ll give you one example I was working on.'),(20727,19,2447839,2450899,'Farhat','I feel sometimes it\'s an opportunity actually.'),(20728,19,2451469,2454789,'Farhat','Other way around its opportunity because you can place them in different…'),(20729,19,2455449,2458596,'Gayithri','You\'re not forced to bucket yourself.'),(20730,19,2458809,2459909,'Farhat','Yeah, exactly.'),(20731,19,2459969,2460249,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20732,19,2460249,2461669,'Farhat','This one does not agree.'),(20733,19,2461699,2463129,'Farhat','Can I just send it somewhere else?'),(20734,19,2463349,2473219,'Farhat','So for example, I was looking at functions, for example, functions in design and functions in biology.'),(20735,19,2474629,2476009,'Farhat','These are something that connects, right?'),(20736,19,2478129,2483959,'Farhat','And with functions, we look at biomimicry and bio-inspired design.'),(20737,19,2484409,2501509,'Farhat','So I developed that unit and we had some really fantastic students, solutions that they came up with and we sent it to the Biomimicry Institute Global Design Challenge and of course we were just up to the semifinals rounds.'),(20738,19,2501509,2513959,'Farhat','They could be selected for that, but they got some really good feedback from the judges, and that time was a very motivating thing for me, because I tried for the first time.'),(20739,19,2513959,2523986,'Farhat','But what happened was that incidentally during that time, and I was planning to publish this as a paper and translate this into a paper and publish it in a biomimic journals.'),(20740,19,2523986,2539899,'Farhat','However, what happened was that my ex colleagues from TISS, they invited me to write a chapter on visual spatial thinking in design.'),(20741,19,2541499,2556279,'Farhat','And I had used a lot of visual materials and spatial materials with students in order to help them understand function and structure in biology, just to translate the content of biological, heavy content, make it easy.'),(20742,19,2556609,2557679,'Farhat','And then I said, wow.'),(20743,19,2557679,2564409,'Farhat','That\'s an interesting work that I could translate this paper into, that dimension and that aspect.'),(20744,19,2565089,2565569,'Farhat','So, yeah.'),(20745,19,2566469,2574959,'Farhat','And then we published it in a education journal and so, yeah, but I\'m still writing papers for that.'),(20746,19,2575869,2583387,'Gayithri','No, that\'s very interesting and also I can relate to a lot of it because my advisor here, she, along with her...'),(20747,19,2583387,2588971,'Gayithri','She had a doctoral student who was very interested in this.'),(20748,19,2588971,2592017,'Gayithri','He came with a biotechnology background.'),(20749,19,2592017,2594555,'Gayithri','His name is Justice Walker.'),(20750,19,2594555,2601154,'Gayithri','He\'s a big part of the Global Bio Summit and all of that.'),(20751,19,2601154,2605109,'Gayithri','And they both together had a NSF project where they got high school students to do this bio design.'),(20752,19,2605369,2606689,'Gayithri','They called it bio design.'),(20753,19,2607389,2613199,'Gayithri','And then there, again, it was about manipulating an E cell for a particular function.'),(20754,19,2613199,2615109,'Gayithri','And what does that mean?'),(20755,19,2615109,2616339,'Gayithri','And, yeah.'),(20756,19,2616959,2631029,'Farhat','I know, I mean, those are something that are, I mean, I consider them as high end, high tech classrooms, which are enabled with all these materials.'),(20757,19,2631029,2632499,'Gayithri','Incubators and-'),(20758,19,2633329,2637809,'Farhat','And instruments, and I practice frugal design and frugal-'),(20759,19,2638509,2638869,'Gayithri','Perfect.'),(20760,19,2639379,2640183,'Gayithri','How do you do that?'),(20761,19,2640183,2641149,'Gayithri','Do you want to tell a little more-'),(20762,19,2641149,2641499,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20763,19,2641499,2641969,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20764,19,2641969,2646569,'Farhat','So for example, I know there are many ways.'),(20765,19,2646699,2650389,'Farhat','So my labs are the kitchen labs.'),(20766,19,2650919,2655759,'Farhat','So I look at and explore a lot of these easy experiments that can be done.'),(20767,19,2664269,2670289,'Farhat','For example just extracting DNA, for example and you have lot of materials and to really do that.'),(20768,19,2670859,2675009,'Farhat','And of course, I mean, it\'s not something that they can really get it.'),(20769,19,2675349,2679009,'Farhat','The idea is to really inspire them and motivate them.'),(20770,19,2680269,2687519,'Farhat','And I mean, the home kitchen DNA that you get, I mean, it doesn\'t tell you anything, right.'),(20771,19,2687539,2703879,'Farhat','But what it does tell you is to create interest for life science and to really see how I as a designer can do something and take inspiration from this and create an artistic or a design response towards this.'),(20772,19,2705369,2716159,'Farhat','So those are something that I do or something like another thing that we do is to really use laser pens and create microscopes using that.'),(20773,19,2716409,2734839,'Farhat','Just a droplet of water and laser pen and we just throw that light and you\'ll see unicellular microbes on a screen.Or maybe, hack a webcam, an old webcam and create a digital microscope using that.'),(20774,19,2735369,2765329,'Farhat','So I\'ve been really using all these frugal methods of, you can say, democratizing science and getting students to access that, things that are…of course if I request these things could be available, but as a designer, they need to also see that, \"How do I really reclaim resources and redesign something that is in a frugal manner,” right.'),(20775,19,2765499,2769839,'Farhat','Not really going for high end microscopes and do that, right.'),(20776,19,2770459,2775389,'Farhat','I do have microscopes that they engage in, but these are something that we try and do.'),(20777,19,2775429,2787809,'Farhat','So I\'m an ardent fan of Arvind Gupta, his toys and all and see how that can really help students learn a lot of things and unpack a lot of science concepts.'),(20778,19,2788789,2789209,'Gayithri','Beautiful.'),(20779,19,2789529,2792139,'Gayithri','That brings us frankly to our next question.'),(20780,19,2792789,2793651,'Gayithri','Who are your role models?'),(20781,19,2793651,2794445,'Gayithri','Who are your inspirers or motivators to do this work?'),(20782,19,2794445,2821189,'Farhat','Yeah, I think, I mean, I am like a constructivist, but I take inspiration from also Seymour Papert, and my thesis was heavily influenced by his work, but also something...'),(20783,19,2822739,2823699,'Farhat','But, you know what?'),(20784,19,2823739,2828459,'Farhat','I feel, I have learned deeply by actually engaging in the practice.'),(20785,19,2828529,2831949,'Farhat','When you\'re doing PhD it\'s like, you are just being part of...'),(20786,19,2832429,2840759,'Farhat','You\'re just talking in theories, but when you actually come and situate yourself in the real context, you\'d learn better.'),(20787,19,2841139,2850899,'Farhat','And so real understanding of Constructionism was actually when I actually got in here and really practiced.'),(20788,19,2851629,2861119,'Farhat','Mitch Resnick is something also that I really admire his work and try to follow his Four Ps in my classrooms.'),(20789,19,2861729,2865099,'Farhat','And let me see my notes…'),(20790,19,2865149,2865789,'Gayithri','No worries.'),(20791,19,2865949,2867039,'Gayithri','Take your time.'),(20792,19,2868809,2869119,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20793,19,2869119,2892829,'Farhat','I think in the contemporary ones, Duckworth is something also that I take inspiration from and because I have to make my classrooms more inclusive and to use different kinds of senses and not just the visual and the cognitive.'),(20794,19,2893119,2908699,'Farhat','So I rely a lot on Gardner\'s Multiple Intelligences and see really try to translate that into my practice and see what are the different ways in which I can really get the students to learn using their different senses.'),(20795,19,2909219,2919239,'Farhat','And I also draw from this Harvard Project Zo, tools for thinking or the thinking routines.'),(20796,19,2919709,2932189,'Farhat','And that has also really helped me to really help students translate their ideas and externalize that onto creating something in the external world.'),(20797,19,2932489,2940179,'Farhat','So those are something that have helped me facilitate in classrooms.'),(20798,19,2940519,2952549,'Farhat','I\'m really fascinated with the entire work of MIT Media Lab that they\'re doing with, and the work that you do, something on using electronics in storytelling.'),(20799,19,2952559,2956509,'Farhat','So that is something that is very, very powerful for me.'),(20800,19,2956509,2971549,'Farhat','And I want to really use that in my practice to see how storytelling with electronics, how can I really use that along with biology because my biology is always going to come in somewhere.'),(20801,19,2975500,2976469,'Gayithri','Oh, beautiful.'),(20802,19,2977929,2983669,'Farhat','So, yeah, so these are something that I have learned in the process in my practice.'),(20803,19,2983719,2988369,'Farhat','Not something that I was acquainted, frankly speaking, I was not acquainted with.'),(20804,19,2988369,2990329,'Farhat','I just picked up.'),(20805,19,2990359,2990629,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20806,19,2990629,2992019,'Farhat','I picked up from here...'),(20807,19,2992029,3002589,'Farhat','And I also, just to tell you one more person like Keri Smith is somebody I draw a lot from her work.'),(20808,19,3002949,3011609,'Farhat','So Keri Smith, she\'s an artist, but she has a beautiful encapsulating journals that she creates for artists and scientists.'),(20809,19,3012119,3021039,'Farhat','And those are some interesting, very interesting ways of observing the world perhaps in the ways that you might not have even seen the world.'),(20810,19,3021359,3028009,'Farhat','So she has those ways go to collect this thing and collect that thing and do something with that.'),(20811,19,3028329,3029183,'Farhat','So it\'s very, very...'),(20812,19,3029183,3041489,'Farhat','There are some hundreds of things that she asked you to do, and that has really helped me also to say, \"Oh, wow, this is something that I can do with my class to really get them started with things.\"'),(20813,19,3041999,3049289,'Farhat','So it\'s really nice to use those and that also I picked up from here definitely.'),(20814,19,3049289,3050614,'Gayithri','Brilliant.'),(20815,19,3051939,3056649,'Gayithri','Any challenges that you would like to share as you have been doing this work?'),(20816,19,3057799,3058299,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20817,19,3058799,3064869,'Gayithri','I know you already mentioned a few of just from your personal space, but then anything?'),(20818,19,3065009,3065249,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20819,19,3066619,3077759,'Farhat','I think as I told you, no, this fact that, I have to really be mindful of the fact that I\'m not teaching science.'),(20820,19,3081299,3091419,'Farhat','I cannot overwhelm them, the students with thick description or make the lectures boring or not even lectures.'),(20821,19,3091419,3093159,'Farhat','I mean, we have studios.'),(20822,19,3093169,3093889,'Farhat','So from nine to four, right.'),(20823,19,3093909,3105769,'Farhat','So it\'s like, how do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?'),(20824,19,3106339,3117119,'Farhat','So I have to really think about how to make it very light, but also provocative but also interesting for them to really fascinate them.'),(20825,19,3117409,3124419,'Farhat','So those are challenges that I have to really work on to really make it light for them and also interesting.'),(20826,19,3124879,3132769,'Farhat','And another challenge that I face is because of this interdisciplinarity, I do not get enough resource materials to rely on.'),(20827,19,3134889,3139269,'Farhat','There are not like practical examples that I can see and say, \"Oh yeah, this is really good.'),(20828,19,3139339,3140919,'Farhat','Can I try this in my class?\"'),(20829,19,3141389,3150109,'Farhat','So those are some things that I find it challenging and at least these two is something that I can think of.'),(20830,19,3150129,3150399,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20831,19,3151209,3159339,'Farhat','And really look not make it more boring, but use all different kinds of senses that I can to make it very interesting.'),(20832,19,3159889,3173459,'Farhat','And because these students are not like the traditional science students, but they are very creative students and they have left science behind because of the reason that it was boring.'),(20833,19,3176459,3176919,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(20834,19,3178899,3179369,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20835,19,3179909,3195039,'Gayithri','How do you see your work in relation to some of the social issues that are like either ongoing or that, social issues in India?'),(20836,19,3195319,3204233,'Gayithri','How do you hope, or whom do you hope is benefiting from your work and how do you see your work contributing to some of those?'),(20837,19,3204299,3214729,'Farhat','I think as I mentioned earlier as well, that I\'m, frankly speaking, I have not been really engaging deeply in the social issues.'),(20838,19,3214959,3222199,'Farhat','I\'m just learning more and more with respect to design and how design leads to social change.'),(20839,19,3222659,3234149,'Farhat','But more importantly, I\'ve been exploring gender a lot, gender issues and how designers could be more sensitive to this issues when they\'re designing, right.'),(20840,19,3234479,3246709,'Farhat','So I really help students to use the gender lens when they are looking at when they come up with certain things, when they design, be it any content, be it an app or visual materials.'),(20841,19,3247169,3249629,'Farhat','I use that to say whether...'),(20842,19,3249739,3259649,'Farhat','So I\'ll share you an example of one of the students who came for testing one of the apps that he had designed.'),(20843,19,3260349,3262429,'Farhat','And he said Farhatm=, \"Can you help me?'),(20844,19,3262699,3264359,'Farhat','Can you be a user test for me?\"'),(20845,19,3264359,3265979,'Farhat','I said, \"Yes, why not?\"'),(20846,19,3266579,3274499,'Farhat','And what that app was about…How women….It was for women and how women could...'),(20847,19,3274579,3279539,'Farhat','He had designed an app to help women manage their time.'),(20848,19,3280089,3283739,'Farhat','And so family time, how much time are you spending with your family?'),(20849,19,3283759,3288009,'Farhat','How much time are you spending with your work, how much time?'),(20850,19,3288009,3300459,'Farhat','And it\'s like, when I first start a homepage that comes up is that, \"Hey,\" it\'s like a pie chart, which tells me that, \"Today I\'ve spent only two hours with my family and more in my workplace.\"'),(20851,19,3300519,3303029,'Farhat','And then it tells me, it\'s like red in color.'),(20852,19,3303099,3306059,'Farhat','I said, \"Wow, why does it have to remind me?'),(20853,19,3306119,3314459,'Farhat','Is this my mother-in-law, or is this my husband who\'s telling me that I have to spend so much time with my family?\"'),(20854,19,3314519,3315759,'Farhat','I mean, who is this?'),(20855,19,3316089,3321199,'Gayithri','Not spending time with my family is being made bad, just because of the colors that you choosing.'),(20856,19,3321209,3321589,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20857,19,3321669,3326869,'Farhat','Not only colors that you choose, but I know how much time I have spent with my family.'),(20858,19,3327299,3332889,'Farhat','I don\'t need another app to tell me that I have to spend time with my family.'),(20859,19,3333589,3336389,'Farhat','Who are you who is going to tell me to say that?'),(20860,19,3336739,3342269,'Farhat','Hey, it\'s like society dictating that, don\'t spend too much time out there.'),(20861,19,3342299,3343979,'Farhat','You have to spend time with your family.'),(20862,19,3345849,3347464,'Farhat','And then it was an eye opener for him.'),(20863,19,3347669,3350499,'Farhat','He said, \"I\'m so sorry, but this entire app is for women.\"'),(20864,19,3350799,3352119,'Farhat','I said, \"Why not for men?'),(20865,19,3352159,3354359,'Farhat','I mean, why should it be for women only?'),(20866,19,3354859,3358699,'Farhat','Why are you not telling the man that he\'s not spending time with the family?'),(20867,19,3358699,3361359,'Farhat','Why are you telling me that I\'m not spending time with my family?\"'),(20868,19,3361969,3363749,'Farhat','So he said, \"Now I cannot change it.'),(20869,19,3363759,3366769,'Farhat','This is my last iterations that I did.\"'),(20870,19,3366829,3367719,'Farhat','I said, \"I don\'t know.'),(20871,19,3368059,3370289,'Farhat','I cannot say yes to it.'),(20872,19,3370329,3372109,'Farhat','I disapprove of this.\"'),(20873,19,3373889,3382849,'Farhat','These are some things, some, the lens that I use in my practice and also help student look at that.'),(20874,19,3382859,3394299,'Farhat','For example, one of the courses that I facilitated was to just analyze textbooks using the gender lens and visual materials that are there in textbooks, in NCERT textbooks.'),(20875,19,3395129,3407169,'Farhat','Those are used by children, but how certain activities are portrayed as being done by boys or certain by girls.So those are something that look at.'),(20876,19,3408709,3411429,'Farhat','I have been, as I told you, I\'ve been facilitating this.'),(20877,19,3411499,3415399,'Farhat','I facilitated one science, technology and society.'),(20878,19,3415649,3430069,'Farhat','I\'m really intrigued and I want to really develop that also for students, not to provoke them, but to really help them get a understanding of that.'),(20879,19,3430489,3448749,'Farhat','And lately, for example, I have found that, design, my understanding of design has changed a lot, and I have seen design can be empowering as well as it could be, taking away powers from you as well.'),(20880,19,3449459,3463159,'Farhat','So that I think is how design could bring about social change through equity and through empowering the users with participatory approaches is what\'s something that I truly...'),(20881,19,3463979,3470189,'Farhat','I mean, I do not practice that per se, but I believe that it can do that.'),(20882,19,3470479,3470749,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20883,19,3470749,3471604,'Gayithri','Brilliant.'),(20884,19,3472459,3473059,'Gayithri','Beautiful.'),(20885,19,3473549,3476889,'Gayithri','And I will bring this up later.'),(20886,19,3476929,3478479,'Gayithri','I thought I\'ll just email you.'),(20887,19,3478559,3479339,'Gayithri','I don\'t know if you...'),(20888,19,3479549,3483349,'Gayithri','Have you read Design Justice by Sasha Costanza-Chock?'),(20889,19,3483709,3485369,'Farhat','No, no, please share that with me.'),(20890,19,3485419,3485819,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20891,19,3486379,3493959,'Gayithri','The PDF is fully available online, and that is one of the books, which I think you will just be like, \"Yep, yep.'),(20892,19,3494149,3494359,'Gayithri','Yep.'),(20893,19,3495369,3495539,'Gayithri','Yep.\"'),(20894,19,3496359,3510269,'Gayithri','And she\'s I think at MIT, sorry, it\'s not even, she, it\'s they’re in MIT from what I remember, and they share, I think it is about a course that they designed.'),(20895,19,3510609,3521257,'Gayithri','Very similar, like taking a participatory approach to about designing for a community and being very intentional about it from the very design of it.'),(20896,19,3521739,3522139,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20897,19,3522349,3523089,'Gayithri','And have-'),(20898,19,3523959,3524229,'Farhat','Sorry.'),(20899,19,3524229,3524939,'Farhat','No, no, no.'),(20900,19,3524979,3525519,'Farhat','Have you heard?'),(20901,19,3525519,3525839,'Farhat','Sorry.'),(20902,19,3526479,3528549,'Gayithri','No, no, no.'),(20903,19,3528549,3530079,'Gayithri','Like IT for change, I\'m not-'),(20904,19,3530649,3531109,'Farhat','Yes, yes-'),(20905,19,3531259,3531499,'Gayithri','Yes.'),(20906,19,3531509,3531729,'Farhat','Okay.'),(20907,19,3531829,3538799,'Farhat','I applied for the job there, but they wanted somebody to know Kannada as the first language.'),(20908,19,3538869,3539919,'Gayithri','Ah, yeah.'),(20909,19,3540629,3540839,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(20910,19,3540839,3540919,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20911,19,3541069,3559189,'Gayithri','I don\'t know them, but I have heard a lot about them and it sounded like maybe it would be like a good fit for that app class to then be like, hear a few things, because I remember one of their examples having an app for women to track their menstrual cycle.'),(20912,19,3559479,3559959,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20913,19,3560339,3560689,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20914,19,3562639,3566149,'Gayithri','Even to be able to openly talk about this would be one thing, so.'),(20915,19,3566149,3566609,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20916,19,3567069,3574139,'Farhat','No, I think, I mean, I am influenced by some of the people\'s work here at Srishti.'),(20917,19,3575279,3576419,'Farhat','It\'s going to your next question,'),(20918,19,3577159,3578949,'Gayithri','exactly that.'),(20919,19,3578969,3579769,'Gayithri','Please take me there.'),(20920,19,3579769,3581849,'Gayithri','What are the ongoing research,'),(20921,19,3583719,3587112,'Farhat','I think, yeah, I think there is a group it\'s called Design Beku, and'),(20922,19,3587112,3587125,'Gayithri','Design Beku?'),(20923,19,3587125,3587131,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20924,19,3587131,3587221,'Farhat','And it\'s a collective of designers and social activists and architects, who really work...'),(20925,19,3587221,3611949,'Farhat','Believe that design needs to be participatory and co-designed with the community because in order to bring social change and you have to trust the community for its knowledge that they bring, they come with, right.'),(20926,19,3612339,3618829,'Farhat','It\'s like you have to, in order to really bring about change, you have to empower them with the tools.'),(20927,19,3618829,3624009,'Farhat','And so they have been working on this and I am really influenced.'),(20928,19,3624169,3631519,'Farhat','And one of the in fact, colleagues, Naveen Bagalkot, he had given a TED Talk also on this.'),(20929,19,3631829,3637809,'Farhat','And quoting the similar example that you mentioned about an app for menstrual cycle.'),(20930,19,3637959,3639949,'Farhat','I think he also mentioned this one of the...'),(20931,19,3641669,3645429,'Farhat','So I think my understanding of design has changed a lot.'),(20932,19,3645789,3651219,'Farhat','A lot evolved because I had this assumption that designers are something like one individual.'),(20933,19,3651259,3656399,'Farhat','We are the saviors of the world and they have all the cerebral capacities with them.'),(20934,19,3656879,3669949,'Farhat','But coming here and working with real designers and seeing, especially the ones who work at the grassroots level to really see that, how it needs to be participatory and to understand this entire process of...'),(20935,19,3670889,3680249,'Farhat','And just to learning about the people, the community, the users, in their social context.'),(20936,19,3680249,3685819,'Farhat','And that it is, and acknowledging that it\'s very complex.'),(20937,19,3686569,3692279,'Farhat','Not denying the fact that it\'s not complex, acknowledging that it isn\'t very complex and really to...'),(20938,19,3693089,3700859,'Farhat','That can only be done, but if you empower them because they understand their needs better.'),(20939,19,3700859,3700889,'Farhat','Right.'),(20940,19,3701149,3704489,'Farhat','So I think that was quite revealing for me when I...'),(20941,19,3705159,3730729,'Farhat','And this group is really is something that I look up to, and I really appreciate whatever was going on in Homi Bhabha Centre where they\'re trying to include design as a general education, because I believe that it all stems from our attitude towards everything, towards any problem, any crisis.'),(20942,19,3731059,3747969,'Farhat','If I learn from my in general education, that I am not a problem solver or I cannot understand my own needs and there be somebody else, a designer with a creative ability coming and solving my problems.'),(20943,19,3749169,3753499,'Farhat','That attitude itself is catering to creation of this creative bunch.'),(20944,19,3753509,3763804,'Farhat','I mean, so I believe that design is ability, has to be taught, and it is a natural ability and it has to be there in school curriculum.'),(20945,19,3764149,3776359,'Farhat','I mean, the idea that we have this material crisis, we have this ecological crisis and it cannot be just solved by one particular designer sitting out there.'),(20946,19,3776849,3786540,'Farhat','And so, I mean, I was reading this article by this guy called Fuller and he was quoting this.'),(20947,19,3787379,3789919,'Farhat','It\'s about against design.'),(20948,19,3790919,3792799,'Farhat','And so he says-'),(20949,19,3793309,3794439,'Gayithri','Is this Fuller Buckminster?'),(20950,19,3795499,3796319,'Farhat','No, no, no.'),(20951,19,3796499,3798959,'Farhat','I think, let me just see what his full name is.'),(20952,19,3802219,3804609,'Farhat','His name is Jarett Fuller.'),(20953,19,3805039,3805709,'Gayithri','Oh, okay.'),(20954,19,3806889,3815949,'Farhat','And he is, it\'s a small essay that he\'s written and quite like, I really like the way that he says against design.'),(20955,19,3816319,3824349,'Farhat','And he says that, \"A few decades ago designers said, Designers used to claim, that we need more leadership role.'),(20956,19,3824349,3832609,'Farhat','And if we get more leadership roles, we will create social change.\'\" Now you see designers more in the leadership role.'),(20957,19,3832839,3833789,'Farhat','Things are changing.'),(20958,19,3833869,3838399,'Farhat','Today we see more and more designers coming up in this and what has had happened?'),(20959,19,3838899,3839359,'Farhat','Nothing.'),(20960,19,3839369,3845059,'Farhat','There are more posters, there are more design thinking workshops, but no social change.'),(20961,19,3845849,3853189,'Farhat','So he\'s saying, because design today is like really is about maintaining the status quo.'),(20962,19,3853859,3857494,'Farhat','We do not challenge the status quo itself.'),(20963,19,3858000,3861529,'Farhat','Designers today are just really repeating what has already been done-'),(20964,19,3861679,3862329,'Gayithri','Perpetuating-'),(20965,19,3862329,3862389,'... Farhat','perpetuating that.'),(20966,19,3862389,3862419,'... Farhat','Yeah.'),(20967,19,3862419,3880139,'... Farhat','And today, the same capitalist society, which is saying, is actually creating those homelessness, all the social inequity are themselves saying that what creativity is.'),(20968,19,3881129,3891239,'... Farhat','And so it\'s like they themselves are defining creativity and saying that designers are going to solve this and designers in turn just maintains this status quo.'),(20969,19,3891239,3893359,'... Farhat','So things are not changing, right.'),(20970,19,3894669,3901162,'... Farhat','So I think that was really a very beautiful article about how designers need to bring in social change by actually decolonizing it and democratizing it and trusting the communities and to take...'),(20971,19,3901162,3901214,'... Farhat','Intervene creatively in their own ways.'),(20972,19,3901214,3901223,'... Farhat','Yeah.'),(20973,19,3901223,3901231,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(20974,19,3901231,3901362,'Gayithri','Any other project that comes to your mind that\'s currently going on that excites you?'),(20975,19,3901362,3926949,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned Design Beku and is Beku like Beku Kannada?'),(20976,19,3926949,3927899,'Gayithri','Just wanted to make sure.'),(20977,19,3927919,3932249,'Farhat','I think one that I shared with you about Arzu Mistry.'),(20978,19,3932249,3939979,'Farhat','She\'s the one who I\'m working with as at Srishti.'),(20979,19,3939979,3947009,'Farhat','She\'s a program Dean and for creative education and she has been working also with...'),(20980,19,3947289,3957659,'Farhat','But she is more of a facilitator and educator and I think what she does is she learns with the community and she also...'),(20981,19,3959189,3970939,'Farhat','It is her way is about facilitating livelihoods in communities and how the community works together.'),(20982,19,3971439,3992739,'Farhat','So I think that is very empowering, to really see that you go in and work with community and create livelihoods around them and what they could do to really empower the communities to see and realize what strength and skills they have and what they can do with it.'),(20983,19,3993299,3997979,'Farhat','So that is something that also I admire the work in Srishti.'),(20984,19,3998219,3998429,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20985,19,3999149,3999489,'Gayithri','Beautiful.'),(20986,19,4000129,4000569,'Gayithri','Beautiful.'),(20987,19,4000849,4010909,'Gayithri','Do you want to add anything about, especially given that we are still in the midst of pandemic, anything that has shifted for you for the work-'),(20988,19,4011709,4012129,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(20989,19,4012179,4012789,'Farhat','I don\'t know.'),(20990,19,4019669,4021819,'Farhat','It\'s been very, very challenging, I think.'),(20991,19,4022969,4041399,'Farhat','I think what has happened is I believe there are some things which were, some skills, which were at the core as my practice has gone to the periphery and some which were at the periphery has become more at the core.'),(20992,19,4042739,4043929,'Gayithri','Do you want to give an example?'),(20993,19,4043929,4044349,'Gayithri','I\'m very-'),(20994,19,4044619,4048109,'Farhat','I mean, just an example of say technology use.'),(20995,19,4051699,4057599,'Farhat','It\'s, who cared about using technology or using but that\'s a skill that is required now.'),(20996,19,4058419,4082319,'Farhat','I mean, I\'m just giving a very basic example of how something like a use of technology just using devices to really record things and work on teams, on Google Meet and that which was an interface has become more…not only just for me, but for, I think any other teachers, right.'),(20997,19,4082349,4087949,'Farhat','Those have become more at the center than actually facilitating learning.'),(20998,19,4088819,4092721,'Farhat','So I think that has been a great shift because of this and definitely, I think these are some things are for, what do you call that?'),(20999,19,4092721,4092754,'Farhat','I mean, you cannot change....'),(21000,19,4092754,4092780,'Farhat','I mean, unchange things.'),(21001,19,4092780,4092800,'Farhat','It\'s like that.'),(21002,19,4092800,4092846,'Farhat','I mean something which are permanent, so.'),(21003,19,4092846,4092872,'Gayithri','There’s no going back.'),(21004,19,4092872,4092885,'Farhat','Yeah, exactly.'),(21005,19,4092885,4092938,'Farhat','So I think that is, but yeah, definitely.'),(21006,19,4092938,4092997,'Farhat','It\'s also been empowering in some ways, at times.'),(21007,19,4092997,4093217,'Farhat','You are talking to me right now, right.'),(21008,19,4093217,4093441,'Farhat','At different times, right.'),(21009,19,4093441,4093944,'Farhat','But we wouldn\'t have perhaps thought about it, maybe.'),(21010,19,4093944,4094000,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(21011,19,4094000,4148299,'Farhat','We could have, but I\'m saying, I can actually listen to lectures outside and be part of it, or maybe give webinars or listen to webinars or maybe invite professors from different cities and lectures.'),(21012,19,4148299,4154729,'Farhat','So I think it\'s also been empowering, but the fact is that, it\'s empowering for whom, is the biggest question, right.'),(21013,19,4154939,4160549,'Farhat','And it is who is being excluded and who is being included is the larger questions.'),(21014,19,4161609,4161999,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21015,19,4162269,4162629,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21016,19,4163889,4174339,'Gayithri','Any work that you would like to see more of like moving forward in your domain, in your community, in your space?'),(21017,19,4175229,4175609,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(21018,19,4175629,4184129,'Farhat','I think this fact that to really look at design more in the...'),(21019,19,4186529,4210779,'Farhat','I mean the work that Design Beku and these people do, I think I would want more designers also, who are coming into design research to take up those projects which are more community centric and not client based but more catered to the needs of the communities and work with them.'),(21020,19,4210779,4220189,'Farhat','I think I would personally would love to see more of those kind of work going on through design and bringing about changes through that.'),(21021,19,4220189,4220469,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(21022,19,4220719,4222299,'Farhat','Because design can be really powerful.'),(21023,19,4222299,4231349,'Farhat','It can be really powerful, but it can also be something that can take away powers from people and discriminating.'),(21024,19,4232129,4232849,'Gayithri','True, true.'),(21025,19,4233419,4237599,'Farhat','I\'ve been using this article.'),(21026,19,4237869,4243659,'Farhat','I don\'t know whether you\'ve read this, the Do Artifacts Have Politics by Langdon Winner?'),(21027,19,4243679,4244974,'Farhat','It\'s a very old article.'),(21028,19,4245469,4246089,'Gayithri','Oh my god.'),(21029,19,4246089,4246329,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(21030,19,4246329,4247469,'Gayithri','This sounds very-'),(21031,19,4247469,4248549,'Farhat','It\'s a very, very old article.'),(21032,19,4248739,4255169,'Farhat','I think in 1980s was Langdon Winner, Do Artifacts Have Politics and-'),(21033,19,4255929,4257109,'Gayithri','Right now, yeah, go on.'),(21034,19,4257109,4257329,'Gayithri','Go on.'),(21035,19,4257569,4260219,'Farhat','And yeah, he gives examples of how.'),(21036,19,4260789,4267629,'Farhat','He doesn\'t mention design, but he gives examples from the architect world and architecture.'),(21037,19,4267659,4278689,'Farhat','And he says that the biases and the assumptions of the designers stems into their products that they make.'),(21038,19,4279379,4288369,'Farhat','And how it can be discriminating, how it can be racist in their product.'),(21039,19,4288829,4290449,'Farhat','And you don\'t even realize that.'),(21040,19,4290779,4292309,'Farhat','It becomes part of the system.'),(21041,19,4292829,4292899,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(21042,19,4292899,4294739,'Farhat','And how it can be discriminating.'),(21043,19,4294739,4297539,'Farhat','I think that was a very powerful article.'),(21044,19,4298889,4304219,'Farhat','I had used that with one of my course, but it was too heavy for them to digest.'),(21045,19,4305029,4305169,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21046,19,4305169,4305369,'Gayithri','I know.'),(21047,19,4305369,4305819,'Gayithri','It\'s right here.'),(21048,19,4305969,4306439,'Gayithri','I found it.'),(21049,19,4306549,4307649,'Gayithri','Thank you so much for that.'),(21050,19,4308829,4309309,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21051,19,4309309,4311609,'Gayithri','So what would be your advice for anybody?'),(21052,19,4311609,4320679,'Gayithri','Because you said, a lot of designers who think with the community towards making the world better for all of us.'),(21053,19,4320939,4329259,'Gayithri','What would be your advice for any newcomer who may or may not be familiar with these contexts, especially in India?'),(21054,19,4330239,4331239,'Farhat','I don\'t know.'),(21055,19,4331259,4342049,'Farhat','I mean, I personally don\'t feel that I have the expertise to really advice or education design educators or design educational researchers.'),(21056,19,4342919,4364359,'Farhat','But as I said that, that the idea is to really widen our understanding of design and to look at it not from this one designer perspective that he or she is going to solve the world\'s problem, but to really see that everybody has a capacity.'),(21057,19,4366029,4367909,'Farhat','I think we just have to change the lens.'),(21058,19,4368009,4394359,'Farhat','That\'s what my advice would be to really see the design and that has to be taught in the classrooms where we teach to see how design can be a way of giving more power and can be empowering as well as can be democratizing.'),(21059,19,4397409,4401059,'Farhat','And there is how do we remove this politics from design?'),(21060,19,4401789,4410579,'Farhat','So that, I think my, I don\'t know what advice to really give, but just to see that we have to use a different lens to look at design.'),(21061,19,4411449,4412619,'Farhat','I have changed my lens.'),(21062,19,4413379,4413968,'Farhat','I have, by being in practice.'),(21063,19,4413968,4414339,'Farhat','I don\'t know.'),(21064,19,4421179,4421409,'Farhat','Sorry.'),(21065,19,4421409,4421709,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21066,19,4422019,4422919,'Gayithri','Or maybe it is not...'),(21067,19,4422969,4425189,'Gayithri','It\'s that there\'s always going to be politics.'),(21068,19,4425229,4431259,'Gayithri','It could be even about what futures are you envisioning or what are you imagining and designing for?'),(21069,19,4431259,4431279,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21070,19,4431899,4432209,'Farhat','Yeah.'),(21071,19,4432239,4442609,'Farhat','I think that is true because even as designers, if we look at the futures, it\'s like, whose future are we talking about?'),(21072,19,4442669,4448339,'Farhat','And what futures are we imagining or reimagining?'),(21073,19,4448369,4455299,'Farhat','With this COVID, for example, you see that there has been the diversity is like, has been starkly in our face.'),(21074,19,4457819,4459079,'Farhat','It\'s like, has this...'),(21075,19,4460879,4465169,'Farhat','I mean, things which were we assuming we have shattered.'),(21076,19,4465179,4468939,'Farhat','And we now see that so many people were excluded, right.'),(21077,19,4470579,4475829,'Farhat','And when we are designing for the future, I hear a lot about future design for the future.'),(21078,19,4476179,4479419,'Farhat','When the future is so uncertain, what do we...'),(21079,19,4479769,4481349,'Farhat','How do we really envision, right.'),(21080,19,4481499,4494519,'Farhat','And of course we have to design for the future and we have to really look at, but I think we have to really look at the past as well as to what we have done to really see what kind of future we want, right.'),(21081,19,4494579,4507249,'Farhat','I mean, and if you say that, I believe that, yeah, of course, new designers should be looking at sustainability and social equity as a prime priority in their practice.'),(21082,19,4508429,4520789,'Farhat','That should be the core and the rest others, will come in, but designing for sustainability in terms of not just the ecologically sustainability, but sustainability in that, in every aspect.'),(21083,19,4521479,4526039,'Farhat','I think that is something that I would maybe say.'),(21084,19,4527049,4540249,'Farhat','And then really to see, ask more tough questions and hard questions as to whose future and what priority and whose priority are we going to take?'),(21085,19,4541129,4541439,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21086,19,4542329,4542629,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(21087,19,4542949,4544469,'Gayithri','Thank you so much.'),(21088,19,4544569,4546159,'Gayithri','That was beautiful.'),(21089,19,4546339,4555929,'Gayithri','And very empowering to actually have those thoughts, have those questions as we go back and continue to do our work in our world.'),(21090,19,4556139,4557949,'Gayithri','Thank you so much Farhat.'),(21091,19,4557999,4558219,'Farhat','Thank you guys.'),(21092,19,4558349,4559639,'Farhat','Thank you for listening to me.'),(21093,19,4559639,4559859,'Farhat','I don\'t know.'),(21094,19,4559959,4561615,'Farhat','I was just talking a lot, blah, blah.'),(21095,19,4561789,4564089,'Gayithri','No, no, no.'),(21096,19,4564089,4564689,'Gayithri','Not at all.'),(21097,19,4564719,4565289,'Gayithri','Not at all.'),(22133,13,2780,160875,'Lalitha','my recent organization that I work for, for the past five years has been very exciting, very challenging and there\'s lot to learn and I\'m called the academic coordinator if that\'s important to know and basically, with my team, I prepare content for or enrich content for both in Science and Social Studies from grade 4 to grade 10.'),(22134,13,161225,169455,'Lalitha','So it\'s been very, very exciting and every day is very interesting for me, even during COVID times.'),(22135,13,170455,176925,'Lalitha','So whatever I say is pre COVID because all my experiences will be pre COVID, right?'),(22136,13,177705,177895,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22137,13,178045,186955,'Lalitha','For the past nine months, we have not been actively going out to students and working and so I want to say that first.'),(22138,13,187825,188115,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22139,13,190305,195875,'Gayithri','So does it mean that you have actually not been engaging with the teachers even online or any like over phone?'),(22140,13,196405,196585,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22141,13,197245,198625,'Lalitha','Online, you definitely is.'),(22142,13,198785,207205,'Lalitha','There have been lot of different groups of teachers I\'ve been engaged with actually not necessarily the group I work with in the government schools.'),(22143,13,209085,227585,'Lalitha','But these teachers are also from government schools but from different areas, different parts of India actually, because they wanted to hold, having webinar and this was a time they thought they would expose the teachers to different kinds of thinking.'),(22144,13,228135,233985,'Lalitha','What [ILP] thought about teaching of Science and teaching of Social Science and what is the specialty about the content that we prepare.'),(22145,13,233985,241345,'Lalitha','There\'s a lot of webinars that I have been speaking to.'),(22146,13,241355,246405,'Lalitha','I mean through that, I\'ve been speaking to a lot of teachers and received very good feedback, actually.'),(22147,13,247095,247515,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(22148,13,247725,252345,'Gayithri','And you mentioned ILP, would you want to expand a little on what that is?'),(22149,13,253205,259525,'Lalitha','Oh, ILP is India Literacy Project.'),(22150,13,259875,292775,'Lalitha','Though it\'s started by NRIs in the US, in California Bay Area but it has lot of trustees who are based in India and the project I work through ILP is called Multi Dimension Learning Space in a place called [Gubbi Taluk] . I live in Tumkur, which is a district in Karnataka and the district is divided into Taluks and so I work in a Taluk called Gubbi, which is some 20 kilometers away and it has 184 primary schools and 54 high schools.'),(22151,13,292775,301505,'Lalitha','High schools is Grade 8 to Grade 10 and ILP has been working in many states actually.'),(22152,13,301505,309475,'Lalitha','That is how I get to go to Jharkhand and I get to go to Hyderabad, so those are the places and we mostly interact with government school teachers.'),(22153,13,310795,311115,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22154,13,311635,311925,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22155,13,312545,322935,'Gayithri','And I know you\'ve told that you have actually been working in ILP for like over five years, but would you want to just expand on maybe how you got here?'),(22156,13,324195,328375,'Gayithri','What has been your experience before being a part of ILP?'),(22157,13,328385,332905,'Gayithri','Just briefly, I\'m sure that we will get back to more details as we go along.'),(22158,13,333905,333925,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22159,13,335785,340235,'Lalitha','They are jumping to the other questions because I was just had jotted on points based on the, this one you had sent.'),(22160,13,340785,342395,'Lalitha','So my journey...'),(22161,13,343005,346665,'Lalitha','Okay, in fact, I can go on and on and on.'),(22162,13,346665,350249,'Lalitha','It opens a Pandora\'s box when I talk about my experiences, but I try to be very, very brief.'),(22163,13,350249,365115,'Lalitha','I started working only at the age of 30 in my neighborhood school, which was very, very progressive in nature because we had a couple of friends who had...'),(22164,13,365115,366705,'Lalitha','One of my friend had opened the school.'),(22165,13,367345,378305,'Lalitha','Her father was also a school teacher and so they wanted to start a school for their own granddaughter and it was just around the corner of my house and I joined the school and from there, it was no turning back at all.'),(22166,13,379185,380945,'Lalitha','And I worked there for...'),(22167,13,381775,399385,'Lalitha','What is so special about this school was it had no fixed curriculum and in fact it did not have any uniform for children and that was something very, very rare in India where everything is so colonial.'),(22168,13,399385,400805,'Lalitha','What do you mean by colonial standards?'),(22169,13,400805,401693,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22170,13,401693,420695,'Lalitha','The standard of the school depends on whether the child wears shoes, tie and everything, but I think the school broke everything some say 1987, 30 years ago, perhaps and it was remarkable that we as friends worked in the school and we [discussed] ourselves as learners and educators at the same time.'),(22171,13,420695,428710,'Lalitha','It was a very, very good experience and I owe to that school, a lot of what I am today.'),(22172,13,428710,447652,'Lalitha','And then I moved on to a corporate school where I worked with lot of resources and that is where I was a TVS group and this is where I was exposed to the theory of my practices, because still this time I did not know who Carl Rogers was.'),(22173,13,447755,450655,'Lalitha','I did not know who was Maria Montessori.'),(22174,13,450655,453665,'Lalitha','I did not even have a bachelor\'s of education degree.'),(22175,13,454085,470315,'Lalitha','So all these names, but when we started reading, because the TVS offered a lot of in-house training and discussions every fortnight where we could reflect on our practice and see how we could better ourselves, the teaching, engaging children and our own growth as professional teachers.'),(22176,13,470885,480665,'Lalitha','So that was a very big boost for me and the resources I meant, not only in the web, the one of library books and everything, but it also involved music, art and theater.'),(22177,13,480665,481945,'Lalitha','That is how I...'),(22178,13,483235,499085,'Lalitha','It was a very interesting experience of including all those in my own teaching practices and creating and expanding the content to fit into theater, music, art, and so on.'),(22179,13,499595,504275,'Lalitha','I would also like to say when I was working in Maruthi Vidya Kendra, the first school which I said, it was...'),(22180,13,505205,524605,'Lalitha','Though, it did not have any resources, I feel proud that I used to record the [BBC] documentaries and play them in my own home where I had a VCR and a DVD player.'),(22181,13,524605,532788,'Lalitha','So these are all certain, I feel proud when I look back to see how I offered my home allowed me to include my [inaudible] students in my house to give this experience and all.'),(22182,13,532788,555225,'Lalitha','In TVS I was for 10 years and in 2000, I think for the first time I took off and I went to Ladakh for six months along the LOC of India, Pakistan and it was a very remarkable experience of teaching to children of the Himalayan region who did not know what a monkey was.'),(22183,13,555755,560038,'Lalitha','So the examples I had to give to them in the classes was very different.'),(22184,13,560038,567615,'Lalitha','It had to be very local and now I can write pages and pages on that, on my experience actually, how can be...'),(22185,13,568295,569095,'Lalitha','What it...'),(22186,13,569305,582235,'Lalitha','Though I taught very small classes, till grade 3, but the experience was very, very enriching and from there I moved on to Nepal through VSO.'),(22187,13,582235,582955,'Lalitha','We have Voluntary Service Overseas.'),(22188,13,583485,586795,'Lalitha','So I went as an educator to a district.'),(22189,13,588225,597405,'Lalitha','So there I had to more as a trainer, I went more as a trainer and a mentor to teachers there that is where my work starting...'),(22190,13,598175,599975,'Lalitha','I was no more a classroom teacher, no.'),(22191,13,600425,607985,'Lalitha','So, though I missed classes and so I had to interact with the teachers and observe the classes and see what best could be done.'),(22192,13,610105,613175,'Lalitha','Nepal was going through a very bad phase in those days in 2008 to 2011, I was there.'),(22193,13,614665,631615,'Lalitha','And what was interesting there was that is where I met teachers from across the world, Europe, from Africa and USA, and that I could blend with them and feel at par with all those teachers, even from England English speaking.'),(22194,13,632055,639975,'Lalitha','So, the great myths that none of those people with these people are wonders they do very different things, was all broken for me actually.'),(22195,13,639975,650295,'Lalitha','They looked up to me for ideas and this one, I feel very nice about myself and my own upbringing and my experiences as a teacher, classroom teacher in India.'),(22196,13,650295,653585,'Lalitha','And after my Nepal thing, I went to Uganda for six months.'),(22197,13,654375,667195,'Lalitha','So, Uganda was another real experience where I moved to a class where there were hundreds of children in grade 1 and grade 2 with half of them did not have any learning materials.'),(22198,13,667195,671775,'Lalitha','Half of them were really literally naked with no slates, pencils, everything.'),(22199,13,672615,674895,'Lalitha','So what could I do there?'),(22200,13,676975,695269,'Lalitha','I mean, though, I was attached to the teacher\'s college where I was supposed to interact with the teachers of the primary schooling training center, PTC which is called, but still I visited schools to know what was the actual condition of the schools there and what did it mean to be a teacher in that setup?'),(22201,13,695269,699238,'Lalitha','Actually one of the teacher was...'),(22202,13,699238,700561,'Lalitha','The teachers...'),(22203,13,700561,726495,'Lalitha','Yeah, they were very poorly paid and their houses were, they did not have electricity and one of the teachers told me that the education goals of the UNICEF that everybody had to be in school had done that great damage because suddenly all the children were in the class, in the schools with nothing, no materials or no support for the teachers.'),(22204,13,726505,730785,'Lalitha','So, the teacher\'s morale was really, really, really very low.'),(22205,13,730785,737165,'Lalitha','What could a teacher with 80 students, aged six and seven do in a class?'),(22206,13,739385,749057,'Lalitha','I found the conditions of the teachers very, very poor, but there was a lot of sincerity in them, that is what I saw.'),(22207,13,749057,761935,'Lalitha','But I mean, anybody can do very little in such setups, but so it was another eye opener and why I left that setup was because of the lot of corruption.'),(22208,13,762475,769815,'Lalitha','I couldn\'t stand the corruption there and so I returned prematurely actually.'),(22209,13,770195,774725,'Lalitha','Though I was to stay there for two years, I came back within seven months.'),(22210,13,775595,786235,'Lalitha','And after coming back from there, then I joined ILP the organization where I\'m working with and so now I\'m just like, [Alchemy] says background.'),(22211,13,786265,795645,'Lalitha','So I\'m working in my own backyard now trying to find whatever searching for, or the reality in my own backyard.'),(22212,13,797215,797515,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22213,13,797745,798515,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(22214,13,799195,807225,'Gayithri','So that was a great, like it was really illuminating because I, myself didn\'t know those many details about your professional journey so thanks for sharing.'),(22215,13,807235,820665,'Gayithri','So I\'m glad that we are now back to ILP like, hopefully we will get it back into some of those pieces from what you just mentioned, but now coming back to what the work you do in ILP.'),(22216,13,821215,825595,'Gayithri','So how do you describe a typical day in your work life?'),(22217,13,826025,831005,'Gayithri','Like the community with which you work, the context in which you work, the kind of work that you do?'),(22218,13,832585,833025,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22219,13,833405,839035,'Lalitha','Let me give you some background of the government schools.'),(22220,13,839045,841635,'Lalitha','So the public school says they\'re called in other countries.'),(22221,13,841885,855735,'Lalitha','The government schools in India, a larger number, only yesterday there was some article which spoke about the number of schools are great, but the number of children attending government schools is less than 50%.'),(22222,13,856525,863595,'Lalitha','That means the private education, there\'s a lot of children who go into private schools, but the number of government schools are more.'),(22223,13,863605,881065,'Lalitha','60%..though the number of private schools are less, the number of children in private schools are more and so the public government schools in India, it\'s very different in different regions.'),(22224,13,881065,886895,'Lalitha','So let me talk only about my own, Gubbi Taluk where I work, because it is very different in different areas.'),(22225,13,887075,896685,'Lalitha','I cannot compare what government school in Delhi would be or corporation, because I know there\'s so much change there.'),(22226,13,897205,902742,'Lalitha','A typical school will have classes for school from grade 1 to grade 7 and in some 8 and the children from grade 1 to grade 7 might be between 200 to 300.'),(22227,13,902742,916271,'Lalitha','Believe it or not some schools have less than 50 children.'),(22228,13,916495,927155,'Lalitha','So the number of children in each class is definitely manageable my role here is to visit schools.'),(22229,13,927385,947085,'Lalitha','A typical day would be to visit two or three schools in day without any information and then since ILP provides them with the digital support that is with the computer and with the projector and the screen and everything and the content.'),(22230,13,947085,951625,'Lalitha','So I just go there to visit, to see more than whether they\'re using the content.'),(22231,13,951625,973865,'Lalitha','I just sit in the class, to see how the learning process takes place in the classes, identify the gaps that are there and give them some suggestions, hold some exemplar classes myself, or the teacher together, hold the classes together and see, not to intimidate the teachers and the students also that somebody else is working in.'),(22232,13,973867,982865,'Lalitha','So the first few days it was like that, but now I visited those schools many times and so the teachers and the students are also familiar with me.'),(22233,13,982905,989605,'Lalitha','So familiarization, it took a long time to get into such a thing not as an expert, I don\'t go as an expert at all.'),(22234,13,990905,997345,'Lalitha','So this is my, and we have a young team of 11 graduates who also do the same thing.'),(22235,13,997755,999185,'Lalitha','They visit the school every day.'),(22236,13,999565,1016645,'Lalitha','Each one has been assigned some 30 to 40 schools where they see follow up of the user for materials or the challenges that they have, the technical support they have to give, or if they have any and we also conduct science Melas[fairs] and social science Melas[fairs] and in those days, give them support to conduct those Melas and everything.'),(22237,13,1017455,1025235,'Lalitha','So, every Saturday we meet in the office to take stock of what has happened and what hasn\'t happened and what should happen.'),(22238,13,1025235,1030255,'Lalitha','So this is for a week, actually, so my day will be very different from each other.'),(22239,13,1031005,1035085,'Lalitha','And one important thing is I always take the local transport.'),(22240,13,1036065,1037325,'Lalitha','I don\'t zoom in a car.'),(22241,13,1038195,1042055,'Lalitha','I walk, hike or hitch a ride.'),(22242,13,1042475,1045635,'Lalitha','I do all sorts of things which a normal teachers would do.'),(22243,13,1046645,1052965,'Lalitha','I have the school children at lunchtime, which is provided the midday meal that is provided by the government.'),(22244,13,1053045,1053345,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22245,13,1055245,1059985,'Gayithri','And is this a conscious choice that you have made and oh, why so?'),(22246,13,1061385,1061875,'Lalitha','Conscious choice of?'),(22247,13,1063775,1068655,'Gayithri','Trying to take public transportation or having [crosstalk]'),(22248,13,1068665,1069935,'Gayithri','.<v Lalitha> It is a choice'),(22249,13,1071375,1076115,'Gayithri','And anything that\'s like backing the choice, or the rationale behind the choice?'),(22250,13,1081965,1082745,'Lalitha','There\'s nothing big-'),(22251,13,1082745,1084525,'Gayithri','Why would you do that?'),(22252,13,1084545,1087735,'Gayithri','Like what made you make the choice?'),(22253,13,1089135,1092615,'Gayithri','Maybe rational was to big a word or too scientific word.'),(22254,13,1092715,1092885,'Gayithri','So.'),(22255,13,1093395,1093725,'Lalitha','No, no, no.'),(22256,13,1093765,1109645,'Lalitha','I want to feel, I just want to feel how a teacher travels and what kinds of buses do they travel and what are the real challenges they face when they travel, when they miss the bus and they have to take an auto, they have to pay more, all these things matter and they reach late and sometimes the bus don\'t come on time.'),(22257,13,1109655,1118865,'Lalitha','So these are all of the real challenges of a school teacher and unfortunately though the government prescribes, they have to stay in the place where the school is.'),(22258,13,1119285,1124455,'Lalitha','Most of them travel 30, 40, 50 kilometers, I mean from the nearest town.'),(22259,13,1125215,1134535,'Lalitha','So these are all, I think this is very sensitive to be, this is a part of sensitivity.'),(22260,13,1134575,1141585,'Lalitha','Since you\'re asking, I can say it is part, very sensitivity to be in the shoes of a teacher.'),(22261,13,1144785,1146615,'Gayithri','So that is precisely what\'s driving you.'),(22262,13,1148765,1148905,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22263,13,1148905,1149845,'Lalitha','And it\'s very normal.'),(22264,13,1150285,1151615,'Lalitha','I don\'t attach lot [inaudible] to that.'),(22265,13,1152325,1152575,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(22266,13,1152625,1154465,'Gayithri','No, but I think it\'s important.'),(22267,13,1155235,1156255,'Gayithri','I\'m glad that you shared.'),(22268,13,1156255,1161875,'Gayithri','And did you tell all of these, like the schools that you visit are in Gubbi'),(22269,13,1162725,1169395,'Gayithri','?<v Lalitha> Yeah, Gubbi has the radius of say all the schools are distributed in the radius of say 25 kilometers from Gubbi.'),(22270,13,1170215,1170635,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22271,13,1171165,1172345,'Lalitha','25 to 30 kilometers.'),(22272,13,1172345,1177811,'Lalitha','So I\'ve seen all the north end, south end, east end and the west end of Gubbi Taluk.'),(22273,13,1177811,1178765,'Gayithri','Oh, okay.'),(22274,13,1178835,1179165,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22275,13,1179235,1179605,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22276,13,1180325,1185415,'Lalitha','Yeah, the border, the whole district, the whole Taluk, I have covered.'),(22277,13,1186065,1190595,'Lalitha','I think the radius is 50 kilometers actually not 25-30.'),(22278,13,1190595,1190835,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22279,13,1191245,1191585,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(22280,13,1191915,1192515,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22281,13,1193715,1200205,'Gayithri','So now maybe we can get like more broader across like your profession, the one that you just gave me a glimpse of last time.'),(22282,13,1200695,1203245,'Gayithri','So now maybe it\'s the time to delve with little deeper.'),(22283,13,1205255,1221805,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned the different places that you have worked in the past but I don\'t think we got a chance to go a little deeper and what did each of these places offer for you professionally?'),(22284,13,1221825,1225815,'Gayithri','What did you take away from working with those particular populations?'),(22285,13,1226315,1235561,'Gayithri','So, if you would want to talk a little about that, I think that would be great.'),(22286,13,1238035,1244355,'Lalitha','The first school, I mean, you want to talk about the schools or the later years when I went to Nepal and Uganda, do you want me to start even-'),(22287,13,1244585,1244845,'Gayithri','Everything.'),(22288,13,1244845,1245485,'Gayithri','Everything.'),(22289,13,1246125,1246555,'Gayithri','Everything.'),(22290,13,1246755,1246965,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22291,13,1246965,1248695,'Gayithri','Like what place was it?'),(22292,13,1248885,1250715,'Gayithri','What population did you work with?'),(22293,13,1250715,1250740,'Gayithri','What did you get from like...'),(22294,13,1250745,1251185,'Lalitha','Okay.'),(22295,13,1254495,1262835,'Lalitha','Most of the time it is either the marginalized section of society or the middle group I can say.'),(22296,13,1262835,1265005,'Lalitha','It\'s only when I worked in TVS school for 10 years.'),(22297,13,1265155,1266013,'Lalitha','I think it was the elite of the town that came to the school.'),(22298,13,1266013,1276215,'Lalitha','I mean, to say that most of the parents were professionals like the doctors or engineers and lecturers themselves like that.'),(22299,13,1276215,1282245,'Lalitha','Not that there were no people from the rural side, they were, but still, since it was an expensive school.'),(22300,13,1282575,1286835,'Lalitha','So to that extent, when I say the word elite, it doesn\'t mean if academic or anything.'),(22301,13,1287625,1289235,'Lalitha','It just means it is an economically viable.'),(22302,13,1289235,1300045,'Lalitha','The parents economically had that wherewithal they would put the children into TVS and it was supposed to be the one of the most expensive school those days.'),(22303,13,1300395,1309535,'Lalitha','So otherwise I\'ve always worked with children who came from marginalized section of society, and somewhere in the middle.'),(22304,13,1309535,1317965,'Lalitha','Auto driver’s children and school teachers are not very rich, so school teachers or clerks or something like that.'),(22305,13,1318025,1321165,'Lalitha','So, I have mostly that.'),(22306,13,1321165,1321215,'Gayithri','Throughout?'),(22307,13,1321215,1326995,'Gayithri','Like from the first school that you worked with and then?'),(22308,13,1326995,1330785,'Lalitha','Yes, yes, yeah.'),(22309,13,1330785,1334335,'Lalitha','Uganda, Nepal and now ILP is all that.'),(22310,13,1334885,1340255,'Lalitha','A lot of children that now in India, the people who go to government schools are the poorest of the poor.'),(22311,13,1343125,1345891,'Lalitha','I use the word marginalized section.'),(22312,13,1347015,1347035,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22313,13,1347495,1353645,'Gayithri','Any other forms of marginalization that you see across the population that you worked?'),(22314,13,1353985,1358555,'Gayithri','Or like something very specific to some population, but not across?'),(22315,13,1361675,1364165,'Lalitha','When you say marginalized in India, it means different things.'),(22316,13,1364625,1372575,'Lalitha','It depends upon the caste, the religion they come from, the caste they come from and the economic background they come from.'),(22317,13,1372575,1390635,'Lalitha','So it includes everything but the same thing with the Nepal also, and that is what I mean when I say it is marginalized societies, marginalized communities.'),(22318,13,1390645,1399105,'Lalitha','That\'s what I mean, of course, in Nepal, the women schools, tribal schools, when you go to the hilly areas far away from the town.'),(22319,13,1399135,1405979,'Lalitha','So this is where tribal will be children also that way.'),(22320,13,1405979,1411805,'Lalitha','And in Gubbi areas and all, there are sections of societies, but there are no actually tribal schools.'),(22321,13,1412845,1416645,'Lalitha','There\'s no large tribal population in these areas.'),(22322,13,1416765,1419075,'Lalitha','They\'re all farming family or whatever, what to say there.'),(22323,13,1419325,1421435,'Lalitha','Most of these children come from farming communities.'),(22324,13,1421435,1435285,'Lalitha','So agriculture is important occupation, and most of them are agriculture laborers and very small landholders, less than an acre and they may have cattle, the milk production maybe poultry or having small...'),(22325,13,1435895,1437355,'Lalitha','Poultry is not a big industry.'),(22326,13,1437375,1439365,'Lalitha','Having some chickens and milk dairy could be a profession that is also...'),(22327,13,1439365,1440405,'Lalitha','That is what the community, the geographical area work with.'),(22328,13,1440405,1449255,'Lalitha','Very, very, very, very agricultural based.'),(22329,13,1449255,1454545,'Lalitha','And that makes, what happens that has a bearing on children.'),(22330,13,1454875,1472215,'Lalitha','Now, when I talk about ILPs, because during harvest time and during harvest of the Arecanut, most of the children disappear from the school because they give a, lend a hand to the parents in peeling that Areca, so these are all certain of challenges.'),(22331,13,1474785,1474805,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22332,13,1475185,1475845,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22333,13,1476295,1490625,'Gayithri','Anything along like caste or gender or any other aspect that you would want to comment on?'),(22334,13,1490625,1494065,'Lalitha','I wanted to...'),(22335,13,1498205,1508645,'Lalitha','Children come to school and I don\'t see, what they say the boy child is preferred and the girl child...'),(22336,13,1509875,1518115,'Lalitha','I don\'t understand that much of that because children come to school and because it is mandatory the children have to come to school and in some classes, there are more children, boys actually.'),(22337,13,1526895,1536025,'Lalitha','[inaudible] please, I see if I start talking about Uganda, Nepal and all it is a lot more varied and a lot of stories to tell about that.'),(22338,13,1536705,1543445,'Lalitha','So when you talk about gender relations, gender relations are there between the teachers and themselves.'),(22339,13,1543445,1560145,'Lalitha','I mean, female teachers and male teachers, and the power of the male teachers exhibit is very, very clearly seen, is very clearly seen and the authority of the teacher over the students is also seen very clearly seen.'),(22340,13,1560805,1574395,'Lalitha','And the school is the place where I think the child experiences, what power authority is.'),(22341,13,1574395,1576045,'Lalitha','Of course, home is one place.'),(22342,13,1576595,1585365,'Lalitha','Publicly in a public place who has the authority, the role of a teacher, the authority of a teacher, the authority of the headmaster is much more than...'),(22343,13,1585525,1589635,'Lalitha','The authority of the official of the education department, who is visiting is much more.'),(22344,13,1589675,1601155,'Lalitha','So the children get this hierarchy of this power that the teacher is the lowest in the order is what the child get exposed very early.'),(22345,13,1601165,1604325,'Gayithri','Could you want to give an example, Akka?'),(22346,13,1605855,1606015,'Lalitha','No.'),(22347,13,1606015,1606315,'Lalitha','No.'),(22348,13,1609465,1619695,'Lalitha','Because, see whenever a decision has to be taken and all this is spoken in front of children, there is nothing private and public in a school when you go and...'),(22349,13,1619695,1619697,'Lalitha','...front of children.'),(22350,13,1619697,1620887,'Lalitha','The children, there is nothing private and public in a school when you go enter.'),(22351,13,1620887,1627045,'Lalitha','A departmental official, he can bang the headmaster right in front of the children, or you can bash the teacher right in front of the teacher.'),(22352,13,1627645,1640485,'Lalitha','I mean, even a small comment that is made, the children get to know that there is a power hierarchy, however efficient or inefficient the official who is coming there could be.'),(22353,13,1640495,1648815,'Lalitha','How does the headmaster, the teacher responds to them also brings out their integrity and sincerity.'),(22354,13,1649085,1665735,'Lalitha','So the child gets exposed to the nuances of how she should get along in a public space by telling lies, by not telling lies, trying to be truthful is something very, very, this is the most important hidden curriculum of government schools, or even private schools.'),(22355,13,1669075,1670055,'Lalitha','So where does it all come from?'),(22356,13,1670055,1670525,'Lalitha','\"I see.'),(22357,13,1671175,1672195,'Lalitha','Oh, it\'s okay.'),(22358,13,1672195,1672535,'Lalitha','It\'s okay.'),(22359,13,1672535,1674275,'Lalitha','Oh, this is how I can answer.'),(22360,13,1674285,1674645,'Lalitha','Is it?'),(22361,13,1674725,1675045,'Lalitha','Okay.\"'),(22362,13,1675425,1684175,'Lalitha','So I think this has a lot of bearing on how, why adults behave the way they behave as they grow with so much of preaching that is happening.'),(22363,13,1684515,1689295,'Lalitha','But can you imagine this is what the child sees, how the headmaster, teachers and the official interacting.'),(22364,13,1689555,1700095,'Lalitha','But when it comes to a classroom setting, then you see the teachers standing on a pedestal as a guru, and then preaching, preaching, preaching about morality and integrity and sincerity.'),(22365,13,1700235,1704285,'Lalitha','What do you think a child will absorb or catch?'),(22366,13,1704285,1704293,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(22367,13,1704293,1704416,'Lalitha','So, what you say is very different and what you do is very different.'),(22368,13,1704425,1704595,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22369,13,1721235,1721745,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22370,13,1721755,1725495,'Gayithri','And you see this across, is what you said, at least the schools that you-'),(22371,13,1725495,1725645,'Lalitha','Across.'),(22372,13,1725645,1726505,'Lalitha','Across schools.'),(22373,13,1728535,1729135,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22374,13,1729915,1736515,'Gayithri','And have you tried to talk like, is this like an aspect that you tried to attend to, or is it more like...'),(22375,13,1737035,1737345,'Lalitha','No, no, no.'),(22376,13,1737345,1738815,'Lalitha','I have always questioned this power.'),(22377,13,1738815,1741975,'Lalitha','So let me quote an incident here.'),(22378,13,1744505,1750935,'Lalitha','I was asked to speak as a teacher representative by an organization.'),(22379,13,1750935,1758040,'Lalitha','I don\'t know what the organization name is, but the people who were present there was, I need not name them.'),(22380,13,1758040,1758090,'Lalitha','The principal, science advisor to prime minister of India.'),(22381,13,1758090,1758150,'Lalitha','And it was held in Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, actually.'),(22382,13,1758150,1758205,'Lalitha','And the group that had come were people of Finland.'),(22383,13,1758205,1758442,'Lalitha','Educators from Finland had come, and there was some meeting between the government and the Finnish educators, because it is thought that the Finish people have, the Scandinavian people and the Finnish people have the best education and they\'re the most egalitarian society.'),(22384,13,1758442,1758525,'Lalitha','So they wanted to bring that curriculum and what that curriculum is about and all.'),(22385,13,1758525,1758574,'Lalitha','So I was supposed to give them teachers perspective.'),(22386,13,1758574,1758635,'Lalitha','So when my turn came, I had prepared a small presentation.'),(22387,13,1758635,1807135,'Lalitha','And then what happened during that time was, the Principal scientific advisor was also sitting.'),(22388,13,1807505,1810305,'Lalitha','In India, you know there\'s a hierarchy of power.'),(22389,13,1810305,1816285,'Lalitha','And there was some screen which was trying to disturb.'),(22390,13,1816675,1817925,'Lalitha','That screen could not be seen.'),(22391,13,1817925,1830665,'Lalitha','So suddenly this principal secretary to the government of India, he gets up and he walks to the window and he closes, he push the curtain, right?'),(22392,13,1830845,1832325,'Lalitha','I saw this, everybody saw this.'),(22393,13,1832675,1835285,'Lalitha','But in my presentation, this is what I spoke about.'),(22394,13,1837865,1842265,'Lalitha','Normally, in a school, what is a child is exposed?'),(22395,13,1843335,1845655,'Lalitha','A child is exposed to listening to orders for any small thing.'),(22396,13,1846545,1849545,'Lalitha','People order others, \"Okay, pull that chair, get a chair.\"'),(22397,13,1849915,1855325,'Lalitha','But here I have the principal scientific advisor himself getting up.'),(22398,13,1855325,1863625,'Lalitha','He\'s the topmost guy in that group of 200, 300 people who have assembled, but he walks and he...'),(22399,13,1863655,1879565,'Lalitha','And I quoted this and said, I wish everybody behaved like this in public to show that it is no great or no lesser value for the dignitary on the dais of the day to get up and move the screen which was disturbing somebody\'s presentation.'),(22400,13,1880575,1891465,'Lalitha','And the same thing I spoke, I asked them, I said, so I question, \"Okay, Finnish people, you are coming to India and your educators you\'re coming to India.'),(22401,13,1891525,1897645,'Lalitha','But the fundamental question I want to ask is, what is a child in Finland and what is a child in India?\"'),(22402,13,1901045,1908875,'Lalitha','If you think by just bringing Finnish curriculum to your schools, you can build an egalitarian society, I think you have to think twice.'),(22403,13,1910905,1911105,'Lalitha','What is a child?'),(22404,13,1911105,1916175,'Lalitha','Believe it or not there was applause in the auditorium.'),(22405,13,1917065,1934605,'Lalitha','And there was a Finnish educator who stood up and said, \"Yes, this is one of the fundamental differences between Finnish and in India, where there are a lot of cultural differences between how, what is a child?'),(22406,13,1934715,1935155,'Lalitha','How do we treat a child?'),(22407,13,1935155,1935785,'Lalitha','How do we look at a child?'),(22408,13,1935785,1939865,'Lalitha','Is it an individual or is it somebody who can do certain chores?\"'),(22409,13,1939895,1942135,'Lalitha','Yes, I love, I care, I do everything.'),(22410,13,1943235,1945555,'Lalitha','But is it an equal partner in learning?'),(22411,13,1945555,1950125,'Lalitha','Is it an equal partner in a family, or what is it?'),(22412,13,1952445,1958384,'Lalitha','And there again, I said, and I also said this, \"Please, out of context,\" in India, and I asked, most of them were Indian educators also, \"What would you do?'),(22413,13,1958384,1958395,'Lalitha','All your children attend.\"'),(22414,13,1958395,1966445,'Lalitha','They were all people from the elite this one.'),(22415,13,1966915,1978455,'Lalitha','So what would you feel if your schools, if your child\'s teacher asked your child to wash her box or plate after eating?'),(22416,13,1980565,1983075,'Lalitha','Because this is what is happening in Indian schools.'),(22417,13,1985775,1993575,'Lalitha','A child, that too a girl child, picks up the plates of the teachers because the midday meal is given and the men folk don\'t even have the...'),(22418,13,1994415,1996115,'Lalitha','They are so shameless.'),(22419,13,1996115,2001935,'Lalitha','They wash their hands in the plate itself and leave the plate for the child to pick up and wash.'),(22420,13,2001935,2010605,'Lalitha','And if this is what India is, do you think bringing Finnish curriculum will bring equity?'),(22421,13,2014075,2027105,'Lalitha','And when I raised this question in a local forum in Gubbi somewhere, there was a 45, 50 year old teacher standing up and said, \"I don\'t want to listen to this madam, because what she\'s talking is against our culture.\"'),(22422,13,2033435,2034269,'Gayithri','And when did this happen, Akka?'),(22423,13,2034269,2042535,'Lalitha','This happened just before, I think last September, October.'),(22424,13,2044845,2047615,'Gayithri','That is you presenting this-'),(22425,13,2047615,2048420,'Lalitha','Conference happened in May, April, I think.'),(22426,13,2048565,2049185,'Lalitha','May, April.'),(22427,13,2049365,2063145,'Lalitha','But if I find the forum of teachers where I meet certain times where we are called to address forum of teachers in different setting, then I raise these issues also sometimes.'),(22428,13,2064995,2069357,'Lalitha','But what happened there was, there was a BEO, education officer who was of that district.'),(22429,13,2069535,2071235,'Lalitha','I had gone to a different taluk actually.'),(22430,13,2071515,2073635,'Lalitha','And he said, \"What this Madam missed?\"'),(22431,13,2073965,2075725,'Lalitha','And he tried to pacify them.'),(22432,13,2076485,2083685,'Lalitha','Everybody became so agitated because they were made to reflect on their own practices which they thought was very cruel.'),(22433,13,2083865,2095155,'Lalitha','Now, I exposed the thing that making a child wash the plate of a teacher, not a democratic way.'),(22434,13,2095155,2097485,'Lalitha','It is not a democratic way of treating a child.'),(22435,13,2097725,2097755,'Lalitha','Right?'),(22436,13,2097765,2099245,'Lalitha','All they have to, when the children have a...'),(22437,13,2099245,2104645,'Lalitha','When the school has water and when the school has a tap, all that, I expect the teacher also to go and wash their plate there.'),(22438,13,2106405,2107415,'Lalitha','Why should a child do that?'),(22439,13,2110895,2112325,'Lalitha','Don\'t understand.'),(22440,13,2113315,2118735,'Lalitha','If this is respect, so this is what I begin to question.'),(22441,13,2119155,2129965,'Lalitha','When you treat a child as somebody, are you asking the child to wash the plate because you cannot do it, or this is obedience?'),(22442,13,2130045,2132213,'Lalitha','I\'m sorry, I don\'t want to take it.'),(22443,13,2132213,2142335,'Lalitha','It is not obedience to wash somebody\'s plate unless there is something wrong or the teacher cannot do it for some reason or anything.'),(22444,13,2143755,2148701,'Lalitha','I will as well understand those situations when we ask certain children to do certain small, \"Please, can you get.'),(22445,13,2148975,2149805,'Lalitha','Please, can you do this plate?\"'),(22446,13,2150135,2157125,'Lalitha','But here it is all done in a way as if the authority, the power of the teacher is accepted.'),(22447,13,2157535,2158595,'Lalitha','And the children have to wash the plates of the teachers.'),(22448,13,2162265,2162515,'Lalitha','Why?'),(22449,13,2166555,2167005,'Gayithri','Very [crosstalk]'),(22450,13,2167005,2171515,'Gayithri','.<v Lalitha> Because washing somebody else\'s plate has a very derogatory thing in India.'),(22451,13,2171655,2178145,'Lalitha','When you go to restaurants, we know how we treat those people who pick up the plates after we have eaten them.'),(22452,13,2179575,2184498,'Lalitha','And no teacher there who is working there would want her daughter to play that role anywhere.'),(22453,13,2184498,2184845,'Lalitha','Isn\'t it?'),(22454,13,2187445,2190270,'Gayithri','And you said it\'s mostly the girls in the class who actually take this up.'),(22455,13,2190270,2196490,'Lalitha','It\'s only the girls in the class.'),(22456,13,2196490,2199455,'Gayithri','And are there like certain girls, or is it like more broadly like any girl?'),(22457,13,2199455,2199456,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22458,13,2199456,2199457,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22459,13,2199457,2207965,'Lalitha','Sometimes I think it could be certain girls only, who do this job.'),(22460,13,2208745,2215575,'Lalitha','So you can understand how, why maintaining toilets and all in Indian schools is so very tough because nobody likes to do that job.'),(22461,13,2219415,2219795,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22462,13,2222305,2224470,'Gayithri','I hope that kids are not dragged into that also.'),(22463,13,2224470,2228095,'Lalitha','No, there are no toilets.'),(22464,13,2228305,2233090,'Lalitha','I don\'t know how they\'re kept clean now that there\'s [inaudible] and every school has toilets and everything.'),(22465,13,2233090,2234645,'Lalitha','I don\'t know how that is [inaudible]'),(22466,13,2234935,2235565,'Lalitha','.<v Gayithri> Managed.'),(22467,13,2235895,2238692,'Lalitha','See, the point is, as a contrast I will give in Uganda what happened.'),(22468,13,2238692,2248265,'Lalitha','When I went to Uganda, when I went on school supervising, the supervisor who came with me was the vice principal of the PTC or the teacher\'s training college.'),(22469,13,2248265,2249175,'Lalitha','You know what?'),(22470,13,2249175,2256035,'Lalitha','When he inspected everything, he also went into the toilet to inspect, which I think no Indian official will do, unless it is necessary.'),(22471,13,2256705,2257176,'Lalitha','Go to the toilet and inspect the toilet.'),(22472,13,2257176,2271355,'Lalitha','And there, what happens, there is a culture of, it\'s still an open toilet and since Ugandan schools have huge ground and they grow a lot of vegetables, the dried this one is used as manure in the schools.'),(22473,13,2271775,2272255,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(22474,13,2272805,2274115,'Lalitha','So you see the...'),(22475,13,2274175,2281035,'Lalitha','And it was all very normal for the vice principal to go and see it.'),(22476,13,2281235,2290205,'Lalitha','And it\'s very normal for children to pick up that dung, human dung and put it aside for drying so that it could be used as manure.'),(22477,13,2290545,2297810,'Lalitha','So how you do things, inclusively you do things is very, very important.'),(22478,13,2297810,2301865,'Gayithri','And what those actions mean maybe in that context matters a lot.'),(22479,13,2301865,2302095,'Lalitha','Yes.'),(22480,13,2302545,2303935,'Lalitha','Or what is so...'),(22481,13,2306315,2307995,'Lalitha','I had to mend my ways.'),(22482,13,2308375,2308725,'Lalitha','Okay.'),(22483,13,2308755,2313555,'Lalitha','I should also now follow the vice principal into the toilet to see how it is maintained.'),(22484,13,2313555,2330535,'Lalitha','See, this may all look very trivial, but this is how the power, what jobs are more important, what tasks are more important?'),(22485,13,2330825,2338535,'Lalitha','Signing a register or signing the letter of a headmaster is very important or should you also see to that his premise is very clean and neat?'),(22486,13,2341095,2342015,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(22487,13,2343205,2343495,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22488,13,2345755,2353555,'Lalitha','So lots, these ideas get built in the child\'s mind in India very easily.'),(22489,13,2355025,2357825,'Lalitha','So you talk about dignity of labor.'),(22490,13,2357835,2361595,'Lalitha','You may lecture, they may get a hundred out of hundred marks, no problem.'),(22491,13,2361595,2368775,'Lalitha','The toppers, but do they really mean respect or dignity of all the kinds of jobs?'),(22492,13,2369715,2370235,'Lalitha','I\'m sorry.'),(22493,13,2372795,2376165,'Gayithri','Because what they\'re getting to see is what they mostly learn from.'),(22494,13,2377045,2377345,'Lalitha','Yes.'),(22495,13,2379995,2380315,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22496,13,2382435,2385885,'Gayithri','So this is very interesting.'),(22497,13,2386525,2391925,'Gayithri','And I know these are also, it\'s hard to categorize them as easy or tricky.'),(22498,13,2392015,2395405,'Gayithri','Oh, this is easy to do in this context, or this is tricky to do.'),(22499,13,2396005,2415645,'Gayithri','But given we are trying to get a broader understanding of the work that you do, what would you consider as some of easy aspects or natural or intuitive aspects of your work as your, especially in your recent work with the government school teachers?'),(22500,13,2416445,2416735,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22501,13,2417205,2428905,'Lalitha','What is easy is, perhaps because of my experience and, I\'ve learned a lot, of course, every experience has taught a lot of things.'),(22502,13,2428905,2445185,'Lalitha','So it is very easy for me to get into your classroom and see what\'s happening or what exactly to, it\'s not exactly rating the teacher or the learning program, learning process that is happening, but intuitively I can just understand what\'s happening.'),(22503,13,2445655,2447240,'Lalitha','And how is the class?'),(22504,13,2447555,2456045,'Lalitha','How is the school as a whole, is there a team work here or is there lot of hierarchy, are the children really...'),(22505,13,2456965,2458395,'Lalitha','Most children are happy to come to school.'),(22506,13,2458395,2459805,'Lalitha','It\'s not that they\'re sad or anything.'),(22507,13,2460135,2472385,'Lalitha','But do they really look forward to the classes of the teachers and everything is something very, I can easily get through and this, so I become, I have a lot of intuition.'),(22508,13,2473045,2488461,'Lalitha','Intuitively I get to know how the school as a whole is doing in the setup that it is because I can see through teachers when they talk, because my experience has taught a lot.'),(22509,13,2488545,2493575,'Lalitha','Some people may talk a lot, but there is nothing to do, but there are some teachers who are very quiet, but there are a lot of things happening.'),(22510,13,2493825,2501895,'Lalitha','So the one or two poking, simple, yeah, that is the most easiest thing for me.'),(22511,13,2502605,2505005,'Lalitha','Finding the gaps is very, there are lot of gaps.'),(22512,13,2505445,2512595,'Lalitha','So I don\'t go looking for gaps, but why do these gaps exist?'),(22513,13,2513765,2524165,'Lalitha','And unfortunately, there are certain challenges, the schools face, which I cannot fill in it, actually.'),(22514,13,2524365,2536865,'Lalitha','As I told, the absentee of children during certain periods of local festivals and celebrations, they\'re out, and the follow-up becomes very difficult.'),(22515,13,2537915,2544927,'Lalitha','And what is more challenging is, in fact, I have not recorded this actually, but this would be a very interesting thing to do.'),(22516,13,2544935,2566635,'Lalitha','But my only guess is Indian schools, my Gubbi schools, I think out of the 200 or 220 working days, for schools, 220 working days, I think hardly there will be 100 days in which all the teachers will be present and all the students will be present.'),(22517,13,2569155,2569308,'Lalitha','Only 100 days.'),(22518,13,2569365,2572155,'Gayithri','What do you think the rest of the days are going for?'),(22519,13,2573785,2573885,'Lalitha','No.'),(22520,13,2573885,2577025,'Lalitha','No, because each teacher has a lot of casual leave.'),(22521,13,2577025,2579875,'Lalitha','So if you have four teachers, so 60 days are gone.'),(22522,13,2579935,2580925,'Lalitha','At least one teacher will be gone, right?'),(22523,13,2583345,2584385,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(22524,13,2586285,2590275,'Lalitha','And take away festivals and everything, and the child will be lost for so many days.'),(22525,13,2591355,2592935,'Lalitha','Child itself will be absent for so many days.'),(22526,13,2593185,2599755,'Lalitha','So 100 full, the school is full for only 100 days in a year.'),(22527,13,2599755,2603435,'Lalitha','These schools are made for 100 days or 220 days?'),(22528,13,2604335,2604945,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22529,13,2607955,2616715,'Lalitha','And I mean, there\'s a lot of loss of learning time in schools.'),(22530,13,2621145,2621865,'Gayithri','What do you think?'),(22531,13,2621865,2622685,'Gayithri','What do you see?'),(22532,13,2622725,2628375,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned that it\'s absenteeism either from the teacher\'s end or from the student.'),(22533,13,2629325,2630299,'Lalitha','Even within the 100 days-'),(22534,13,2630299,2631005,'Gayithri','Even within the 100 days.'),(22535,13,2631005,2634235,'Lalitha','There\'s a lot of loss of learning time.'),(22536,13,2636775,2639775,'Gayithri','What do you see as some of the reasons for that?'),(22537,13,2641525,2642765,'Lalitha','They all look very legitimate.'),(22538,13,2642765,2658805,'Lalitha','They all look very legitimate, but to me who has worked in a private school where every teacher is there in class and it goes, there is accountability for every class that you attend to, here, they need not be.'),(22539,13,2659745,2661555,'Lalitha','They\'re presenting the school, that is enough.'),(22540,13,2662715,2664135,'Lalitha','They\'re coming to school, that is enough.'),(22541,13,2664815,2668315,'Lalitha','That they\'re engaging the children the whole time is not guaranteed.'),(22542,13,2668425,2671755,'Lalitha','Is not part of their accountability.'),(22543,13,2672295,2673215,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(22544,13,2673725,2681835,'Lalitha','Most important issue that anybody has to grapple when they come to work in such setup.'),(22545,13,2685795,2686435,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22546,13,2686925,2687535,'Gayithri','Any other-'),(22547,13,2688975,2698645,'Lalitha','When ASER brings in report every year saying that fifth standard cannot read second standard book or a fifth standard child cannot add or subtract, I\'m not surprised.'),(22548,13,2700445,2700545,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22549,13,2706915,2707665,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22550,13,2707665,2714755,'Lalitha','There is so much of loss, and there are certain activity, which is not very, which are highly ritualistic.'),(22551,13,2716915,2718325,'Gayithri','Would you want to mention an example?'),(22552,13,2718655,2719865,'Lalitha','Colonial way of school.'),(22553,13,2720225,2721895,'Lalitha','Coming in school, standing in line.'),(22554,13,2721905,2721935,'Lalitha','Okay.'),(22555,13,2723145,2724405,'Lalitha','Prayer and everything fine.'),(22556,13,2724405,2725085,'Lalitha','And reading.'),(22557,13,2726225,2730045,'Lalitha','There is no follow-up of any activity.'),(22558,13,2730045,2731215,'Lalitha','There is no follow-up.'),(22559,13,2731815,2733625,'Lalitha','What is the children\'s day supposed to be?'),(22560,13,2735705,2736215,'Lalitha','Okay.'),(22561,13,2737705,2743125,'Lalitha','There are so many great men that have come and gone in India and it increases by time.'),(22562,13,2743605,2743675,'Lalitha','Right?'),(22563,13,2743675,2745165,'Lalitha','And those jayanthis are celebrated.'),(22564,13,2745185,2745995,'Lalitha','How are they celebrated?'),(22565,13,2746005,2746925,'Lalitha','Half a day goes.'),(22566,13,2747495,2750625,'Lalitha','It is a working day, but half a day you have to celebrate that.'),(22567,13,2750915,2756175,'Lalitha','So they all sit and headmaster or some teachers talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about that person.'),(22568,13,2758145,2768575,'Lalitha','What does it mean?'),(22569,13,2773485,2774205,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22570,13,2774205,2774255,'Gayithri','And you-'),(22571,13,2774255,2774615,'Lalitha','There\'s a lot of ritualistic.'),(22572,13,2774615,2775825,'Lalitha','Everything is ritual.'),(22573,13,2780455,2782115,'Gayithri','And you were also calling this colonial.'),(22574,13,2783025,2785675,'Gayithri','Would you want to expand a little on that akka?'),(22575,13,2786095,2786845,'Gayithri','Like the...'),(22576,13,2789665,2795375,'Lalitha','No, somewhere I think, at least people who are living today.'),(22577,13,2795445,2795955,'Lalitha','I don\'t know.'),(22578,13,2796355,2813500,'Lalitha','See, when you talked about colonial, in the days when, say go back 50, 70 years ago, my father himself was a teacher and he used to talk about his teachers in the same private, I mean, the Gubbi taluk I\'m talking about, and how good those teachers were.'),(22579,13,2813665,2816441,'Lalitha','They were great scholars and children from all sections of society came.'),(22580,13,2816441,2822185,'Lalitha','It\'s not that, maybe the girls were very little, or I don\'t know whether he had any girls in his class.'),(22581,13,2822635,2833621,'Lalitha','I don\'t recall that, but they were highly motivated.'),(22582,13,2834355,2847649,'Lalitha','But somehow what happened was, later, this colonial practice of what do you mean by being a sarkari worker, government worker meant that you have to be in time and you have to be present, that is all.'),(22583,13,2847649,2852695,'Lalitha','What you do after you come, there is no accountability.'),(22584,13,2852695,2861985,'Lalitha','How did this erosion of asking accountability from people vanished or get reduced over a period of time is amazing.'),(22585,13,2870135,2870595,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22586,13,2870805,2873390,'Lalitha','And this is true of, I think even government offices also.'),(22587,13,2873390,2875992,'Lalitha','Though I may not have any experiences, though.'),(22588,13,2875992,2877944,'Lalitha','When I visit, I know that.'),(22589,13,2877944,2881635,'Lalitha','But this may be true of why government...'),(22590,13,2884305,2904265,'Lalitha','Then why do even a parent in a rural area with little affordability send a child to a private school where he thinks the child will learn more and he can have some aspiration to go for further studies.'),(22591,13,2904265,2908175,'Lalitha','Because I think the teacher, more than, they see a lot of accountability in those schools.'),(22592,13,2908175,2919575,'Lalitha','Whatever may be that, but that is still, but the sense of accountability that they being there, that they have to be there, they come there and they may not have any training.'),(22593,13,2919585,2922845,'Lalitha','Private schools, of course, not all private schools.'),(22594,13,2923865,2929285,'Lalitha','Even private school children fair very poorly in, specially from rural areas.'),(22595,13,2929645,2941575,'Lalitha','But still they see that as, it\'s not only English medium, they also see the teachers there work hard and they make the children accountable is what.'),(22596,13,2941575,2944565,'Lalitha','They themselves are accountable, a little more accountable than the teachers at the government schools and make the children accountable.'),(22597,13,2946295,2946825,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22598,13,2947155,2948475,'Gayithri','That\'s what you see is happening.'),(22599,13,2949515,2959135,'Lalitha','That is one of the, that is also why parents move the children from government schools to private schools.'),(22600,13,2959135,2960015,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(22601,13,2960015,2961335,'Lalitha','In rural setup.'),(22602,13,2961335,2963095,'Lalitha','Here it\'s all private.'),(22603,13,2963095,2966025,'Lalitha','So there is no question about.'),(22604,13,2968035,2968125,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(22605,13,2968695,2974115,'Gayithri','So according to you, what would be one most important aspect of your work?'),(22606,13,2974735,2981171,'Gayithri','What are you specifically looking at accomplishing in your work as you\'re interacting with degree teachers?'),(22607,13,2981225,2985645,'Gayithri','I\'m sorry.'),(22608,13,2989615,2990465,'Lalitha','Hmm.'),(22609,13,2991725,2996025,'Lalitha','I started as a teacher, even without having any degrees or anything.'),(22610,13,2996275,2996505,'Lalitha','Right.'),(22611,13,2998725,3000225,'Lalitha','I think it is possible.'),(22612,13,3001185,3003088,'Lalitha','And not all my children score 90 out of 90.'),(22613,13,3003088,3003279,'Lalitha','I never was in 90, 90 or a 100 over 90 student at all.'),(22614,13,3003279,3037015,'Lalitha','And so, my own experience teaches me that it is possible for a person who enters the teaching profession as a facilitator or a teacher can definitely build up their, her or his capacities to be a learner along with the children.'),(22615,13,3038645,3041665,'Lalitha','And that is what I want to see.'),(22616,13,3046105,3050255,'Lalitha','And that is what I want the people to enjoy in this profession.'),(22617,13,3050595,3052955,'Lalitha','This is what the profession is meant for.'),(22618,13,3052955,3056785,'Lalitha','To be a learner always along with your students.'),(22619,13,3056785,3058586,'Lalitha','And you need not be a master of the content at all, especially in government schools and all.'),(22620,13,3058586,3067115,'Lalitha','It\'s only to bring in hope, sense of equity, sense of sensitivity.'),(22621,13,3067185,3080235,'Lalitha','However, wretched the world outside, the background the child may come from, but still, I think we have a lot of responsibility to bring in hope to the child that things could become better.'),(22622,13,3080235,3082915,'Lalitha','And for that we have to strive is very, very important.'),(22623,13,3084365,3086225,'Lalitha','Nobody will offer it on a platter.'),(22624,13,3086505,3089465,'Lalitha','Yeah, you may get something on a platter, but that will not be very legal also.'),(22625,13,3089465,3093235,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(22626,13,3094955,3095245,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22627,13,3096095,3102555,'Lalitha','You cannot transfer the consequences of your actions to others.'),(22628,13,3102565,3109285,'Lalitha','Good or bad, it is you who is responsible for that.'),(22629,13,3110615,3115055,'Lalitha','There is nothing called as a perfect teacher at all.'),(22630,13,3115995,3129405,'Lalitha','A lot of instance where my students taught me, my colleagues picked upon me to brush my own emotional or sensitivity, insensitivity certain times.'),(22631,13,3130735,3134285,'Lalitha','Polished me from, for what I am today and still I\'m getting polished.'),(22632,13,3134955,3134975,'Gayithri','Yeah,'),(22633,13,3139095,3141955,'Lalitha','No, it is hard.'),(22634,13,3142685,3150615,'Lalitha','That hard work brings a lot of satisfaction, contentment that what Indian culture talks about.'),(22635,13,3150615,3166464,'Lalitha','I think if we, what India boasts now of its grand civilization and especially, I don\'t want use the word guru, but still I\'m using the word guru, but I\'m very sorry.'),(22636,13,3166464,3167385,'Lalitha','It is the most important.'),(22637,13,3167725,3169995,'Lalitha','It is a misnomer these days.'),(22638,13,3170895,3179011,'Lalitha','And it is sad that many in the teaching profession do not stand up to it at all, but still want to enjoy all the privileges just because they\'re a teacher.'),(22639,13,3179011,3179118,'Lalitha','The whole, they\'ve got the job and very sorry to see.'),(22640,13,3179118,3179395,'Lalitha','The greatest dichotomy and the tragedy that\'s happening in India.'),(22641,13,3185005,3204535,'Gayithri','So if you were to pick one or two things that you wish or hope it would change, as you work in this direction, what would they be?'),(22642,13,3211125,3211745,'Lalitha','Change?'),(22643,13,3211835,3213575,'Lalitha','What are the changes that I would like to see?'),(22644,13,3213575,3214505,'Lalitha','Or what change I can...'),(22645,13,3214505,3217530,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22646,13,3220555,3220915,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22647,13,3221025,3223135,'Lalitha','I saw this question somewhere.'),(22648,13,3223135,3227225,'Lalitha','What change I would like to see?'),(22649,13,3227225,3227708,'Gayithri','Uh-huh [affirmative].'),(22650,13,3227708,3228433,'Lalitha','No, just accountability.'),(22651,13,3228433,3229158,'Lalitha','That is all.'),(22652,13,3229158,3232217,'Lalitha','The teachers have to be more reflective and accountable.'),(22653,13,3232217,3234742,'Lalitha','That is all.'),(22654,13,3234742,3248012,'Lalitha','To see that her profession, what she thinks of integrity and sincerity in her everyday life has to be reflected in her professional life.'),(22655,13,3248012,3257555,'Lalitha','What she thinks of devotion to God or anything, because, I think I was talking to you about the other day, the paapa[sin] and punya[virtue].'),(22656,13,3257555,3272995,'Lalitha','So I really want to say that when, why don\'t people in India, when they talk about committing a sin, yeah, a teacher may say, \"No, I come on time.'),(22657,13,3273765,3275515,'Lalitha','I don\'t take leave at all.'),(22658,13,3278175,3278835,'Lalitha','I\'m always in school.\"'),(22659,13,3281395,3282660,'Lalitha','But what do you do in school is very, very important.'),(22660,13,3282660,3282837,'Lalitha','So, that is punya.'),(22661,13,3282837,3284175,'Lalitha','What you do, the work that you do.'),(22662,13,3287495,3290105,'Lalitha','Why don\'t you believe that the work you do leads to salvation?'),(22663,13,3290105,3291131,'Gayithri','Hmm.'),(22664,13,3291131,3296845,'Lalitha','It is not just being ritualistic, right?'),(22665,13,3297175,3299931,'Lalitha','Coming to school in time and being there.'),(22666,13,3299931,3299957,'Lalitha','Right.'),(22667,13,3299957,3300635,'Lalitha','Coming to school in time and being there in the class.'),(22668,13,3300665,3301665,'Lalitha','That is ritualism.'),(22669,13,3303995,3308980,'Lalitha','Beyond that, something that is asked for, how do you engage the children?'),(22670,13,3309195,3316435,'Lalitha','What is your prime job or work that you\'re supposed to do as a teacher?'),(22671,13,3316435,3318015,'Lalitha','It is not coming in time.'),(22672,13,3318175,3319395,'Lalitha','You need not come in time.'),(22673,13,3319425,3321285,'Lalitha','You may not be present in the school everyday.'),(22674,13,3321285,3325325,'Lalitha','But the day you are present, what is it that you are doing is very important.'),(22675,13,3327705,3333375,'Lalitha','Every day lost, something, so many children lose.'),(22676,13,3335005,3342005,'Lalitha','It\'s a loss to the child, to the parent, to the community, to the country and to the world at large.'),(22677,13,3342005,3343588,'Lalitha','Do you see that consequences of your action and inaction?'),(22678,13,3343588,3343843,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22679,13,3343843,3353545,'Lalitha','What you do has a lot of bearing.'),(22680,13,3353545,3364275,'Lalitha','What we do and we don\'t do has a lot of bearing.'),(22681,13,3365145,3365705,'Lalitha','Individually, yes.'),(22682,13,3368735,3370965,'Gayithri','Yeah, for sure.'),(22683,13,3372445,3385835,'Gayithri','Maybe now we can think more across your work maybe even going back to the time you made some of these choices, to be a teacher or to actually work with teachers.'),(22684,13,3387155,3389975,'Gayithri','What motivated you to pick this line of work?'),(22685,13,3392395,3397145,'Gayithri','Maybe to be a teacher and particularly to work with marginalized communities?'),(22686,13,3402295,3407725,'Lalitha','I became a teacher just by choice because I tried to be...'),(22687,13,3410265,3414990,'Lalitha','I joined as a clerk in the post office in the beginning because I thought I had to earn money after my graduation.'),(22688,13,3414990,3415069,'Lalitha','But, I did not fit it to the job at all.'),(22689,13,3415069,3415105,'Lalitha','So, I left a job.'),(22690,13,3415105,3415140,'Lalitha','It was something very boring.'),(22691,13,3415140,3415205,'Lalitha','I always thought I was a people oriented person.'),(22692,13,3415205,3436075,'Lalitha','So, at the age of 30, when somebody in the neighborhood asked me, \"Can you come and join the school?\"'),(22693,13,3436125,3436505,'Lalitha','I joined.'),(22694,13,3438165,3444285,'Lalitha','I discovered myself that I could take the risk of being learner.'),(22695,13,3444285,3446009,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22696,13,3446009,3446048,'Lalitha','I think one of the most important things...'),(22697,13,3446048,3446201,'Lalitha','Because, when you stand as an adult, as a teacher before the students, before the young minds, I think it requires a lot of courage, you have to be true to yourself.'),(22698,13,3446201,3446220,'Lalitha','If you are already...'),(22699,13,3446225,3463805,'Lalitha','Yeah, all of us...'),(22700,13,3468025,3469525,'Lalitha','I started being an authoritarian in itself.'),(22701,13,3469705,3473015,'Lalitha','I even carried a stick also, in the classroom.'),(22702,13,3473345,3474195,'Lalitha','I began...'),(22703,13,3476745,3485605,'Lalitha','Until one day, one of my students asked me this question, \"No teacher, you were very rude to that boy yesterday.\"'),(22704,13,3485605,3490025,'Lalitha','That was the last time when I had the stick in my hand.'),(22705,13,3490365,3504555,'Lalitha','Even from the first stage of my career, I gave this leverage to children to talk to me very freely, question me, question my actions.'),(22706,13,3504565,3511215,'Lalitha','That, I learned very quickly in my profession.'),(22707,13,3511615,3514275,'Lalitha','So, I was not at all afraid of being exposed at all.'),(22708,13,3515045,3520655,'Lalitha','Exposed of my emotions, of my bitterness, of my anger.'),(22709,13,3522375,3523005,'Lalitha','And you know what?'),(22710,13,3523015,3524365,'Lalitha','All this I found...'),(22711,13,3524975,3535075,'Lalitha','That is what a person has to be in the humanist theory of Paulo Freire when he says that a teacher need not wear any mask, when he stands before a group of children.'),(22712,13,3535075,3538135,'Lalitha','He has to be very authentic.'),(22713,13,3538435,3542205,'Lalitha','I wanted to show children that I was as human as they were.'),(22714,13,3546025,3546625,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22715,13,3548065,3557425,'Lalitha','This got ingrained in me and there was no turning back at all.'),(22716,13,3558535,3572125,'Lalitha','When I said I went to VSO and all these experiences, and when some of my English friends said, \"How can you speak such good English, Lalitha?'),(22717,13,3574025,3576505,'Lalitha','I took that question as a very silly question actually.'),(22718,13,3580335,3581925,'Lalitha','Because, their world view was so small.'),(22719,13,3582175,3582335,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22720,13,3582335,3590687,'Gayithri','It is a good thing that we were colonized.'),(22721,13,3591615,3600095,'Lalitha','So, all these experiences of, the way they looked at me, the way they, I responded to them, also...'),(22722,13,3601105,3603875,'Lalitha','Oh yeah, my egalitarian principles became more and more...'),(22723,13,3604095,3612845,'Lalitha','When I went to Nepal actually, when I worked with European teachers, especially both Dutch and English, they were very close to me actually.'),(22724,13,3612845,3622755,'Lalitha','The way they looked at Nepali society, when I was working along with them, how they looked at certain things and they said, \"Okay, how come I did not see this at all?\"'),(22725,13,3625065,3632815,'Lalitha','How do you look at things as different, but not being judgemental, was something which I learned, when I went to Ladakh for the first time.'),(22726,13,3636505,3645815,'Lalitha','Not that it was not there, but the point is, in your own setup, when you\'re with your own group of people, with the same conditioning, there is always this ego clash that happens.'),(22727,13,3645815,3649595,'Lalitha','That is ego to say, you don\'t want to give up amongst your own people.'),(22728,13,3650565,3668515,'Lalitha','But I think, that was very interesting and in Nepal, there was a headmaster who scolded his female staff as buffaloes in front of me one day.'),(22729,13,3669005,3675085,'Lalitha','I just walked out of the office room that day.'),(22730,13,3676015,3682335,'Lalitha','There was this student one day, he knocked at my door, and he said, \"Madam, I\'m here.\"'),(22731,13,3682835,3683795,'Lalitha','\"Oh, come Siddharth.'),(22732,13,3684055,3685835,'Lalitha','It\'s nice to see you after so many years.\"'),(22733,13,3686295,3688035,'Gayithri','Where was this, akka?'),(22734,13,3688035,3690160,'Lalitha','In my home, actually.'),(22735,13,3690405,3701885,'Lalitha','The boy says, \"You scolded me when I was in class seven and eight saying that I was not good for anything that I wouldn\'t be graduate, that I won\'t study, that I won\'t reach anywhere.'),(22736,13,3702175,3705625,'Lalitha','Here I am standing before you as an engineer.\"'),(22737,13,3705625,3707825,'Lalitha','And I said, \"Okay Siddharth, congratulations.'),(22738,13,3709135,3710635,'Lalitha','You have become an engineer, but I have not gained anything out of it.'),(22739,13,3710635,3719140,'Lalitha','I personally did not gain anything out of it, you became an engineer.'),(22740,13,3719285,3721155,'Lalitha','But you have gained something, becoming an engineer.'),(22741,13,3721165,3721465,'Lalitha','Right?'),(22742,13,3723825,3724955,'Lalitha','So, what I said that day?'),(22743,13,3724955,3729335,'Lalitha','That you have to be accountable for your everyday work, is important, isn\'t it?'),(22744,13,3731555,3735925,'Lalitha','You may have felt bitter this why Lalitha akka is demanding so much hard work.'),(22745,13,3736025,3737335,'Lalitha','But, don\'t you enjoy your hard work.'),(22746,13,3737365,3739095,'Lalitha','Did you not enjoy engineering studies?\"'),(22747,13,3741895,3747135,'Lalitha','He still comes to my house.'),(22748,13,3749645,3749975,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22749,13,3750895,3765015,'Gayithri','I think one question that I wanted to ask is what actually motivated you to go and work in even Ladakh or Nepal or Uganda, or even like choosing to work with'),(22750,13,3766385,3766755,'Gayithri','...<v Lalitha> Yes.'),(22751,13,3767095,3769451,'Lalitha','One thing is the privilege at home because I have a twin sister.'),(22752,13,3769675,3770885,'Lalitha','So, I can just leave home and go.'),(22753,13,3771535,3775095,'Lalitha','I have the privilege because we had my father.'),(22754,13,3775095,3777705,'Lalitha','And so, I joined school only after my mother\'s death.'),(22755,13,3777705,3780535,'Lalitha','I had my father, who was equally busy.'),(22756,13,3780975,3781905,'Lalitha','He was also a teacher till the age of 80.'),(22757,13,3781905,3783945,'Lalitha','And so, it\'s not that you have to take care of something.'),(22758,13,3783945,3784565,'Lalitha','He knew how to take care.'),(22759,13,3784565,3787335,'Lalitha','And he was physically fit, till he died, he passed away quite recently.'),(22760,13,3787705,3791585,'Lalitha','So, there was no pressure on me to stay home.'),(22761,13,3792195,3797235,'Lalitha','And as I became more and more involved in learning, I always felt suffocated.'),(22762,13,3797255,3801805,'Lalitha','That\'s why I moved from Maruti, my first school to TVS where I wanted to expand my horizon.'),(22763,13,3801855,3811405,'Lalitha','When I thought that I was falling into a comfort zone where I was finding that there was no team that was there with me to get along.'),(22764,13,3811755,3817145,'Lalitha','That I was seen as an expert there, I leave the space and go.'),(22765,13,3817145,3819205,'Lalitha','That is how I went to TVS.'),(22766,13,3819205,3827885,'Lalitha','And there again, in TVS again, very soon, within five years, it became very suffocating for me with all the resources and everything.'),(22767,13,3827965,3833065,'Lalitha','Still, I said, \"There is something that I want to go beyond.\"'),(22768,13,3833485,3834745,'Lalitha','That is when I went to Ladakh.'),(22769,13,3834775,3850025,'Lalitha','And then after coming back, I again went back to TVS and again, I went to Nepal to see what I would be in places away from my comfort zone of my home.'),(22770,13,3850775,3859785,'Lalitha','The first time when I left in 2000 Tumkur and everybody in the family and friends said, \"How can you leave your twin sister and go?\"'),(22771,13,3862575,3866192,'Lalitha','And when I went to Ladakh, not one day did I miss her.'),(22772,13,3866375,3869355,'Lalitha','I wrote her a letter also saying, \"Sorry, Lata, I\'m not missing you at all.\"'),(22773,13,3869355,3875905,'Lalitha','So, all these concepts of, we miss something dot dot dot.'),(22774,13,3875905,3877005,'Lalitha','It all fell apart.'),(22775,13,3877175,3877765,'Lalitha','Everything.'),(22776,13,3878175,3879045,'Lalitha','Many of our own...'),(22777,13,3880135,3884935,'Lalitha','The myths that we carry in our everyday layer of relationship, about relationship and everything.'),(22778,13,3885645,3886665,'Lalitha','I think the conditioning...'),(22779,13,3886975,3889955,'Lalitha','You can can say conditioning.'),(22780,13,3890385,3902565,'Lalitha','Yeah, I gave myself a lot of experiences, took a lot of risk to de-condition myself, actually.'),(22781,13,3902565,3908365,'Gayithri','Any particular any comment that you want to make for, how you chose to work with marginalized groups?'),(22782,13,3912805,3913079,'Lalitha','Here, I want to say something.'),(22783,13,3913079,3922780,'Lalitha','The kind of dialogue that they have with children will happen with every child.'),(22784,13,3924515,3928175,'Lalitha','It is not only child with the elite background or the economically...'),(22785,13,3928525,3942095,'Lalitha','Every child needs that learning space, that learning ambience, where it can feel trusted and feel worthy about itself of whatever it is.'),(22786,13,3944865,3951625,'Lalitha','So for me, that I worked in TVS and this one, now I see.'),(22787,13,3952325,3957655,'Lalitha','But the only difference could be in, how do you engage the child?'),(22788,13,3958055,3960855,'Lalitha','And, what are the consequences of that engaging?'),(22789,13,3962095,3965385,'Lalitha','When you go to the private school, you find that the parents are educated.'),(22790,13,3965385,3968195,'Lalitha','So, they\'ll send the child to tuition.'),(22791,13,3968195,3969375,'Lalitha','So, they get marks and everything.'),(22792,13,3969965,3973485,'Lalitha','But here, what happens is, because the child does not have any...'),(22793,13,3974715,3980275,'Lalitha','The parents are not in a position to help the child with its academics in it, at home.'),(22794,13,3982255,3986205,'Lalitha','You may not get that support from the community.'),(22795,13,3986445,3988755,'Lalitha','That is the only difference.'),(22796,13,3988775,3996135,'Lalitha','But to me, I think the engaging a child\'s mind should be the same everywhere, whatever maybe the marks.'),(22797,13,3996175,3998475,'Lalitha','Because, I never taught for marks or anything at all.'),(22798,13,3998475,4006015,'Lalitha','It was only for trying to engage with children with a topic or with a situation, with an event or anything.'),(22799,13,4007005,4010215,'Lalitha','Because whatever it wants to be, it is all right.'),(22800,13,4010215,4010451,'Lalitha','It all happens.'),(22801,13,4010555,4018335,'Lalitha','But, these are all the fundamentals I think, should be built in school, in the earliest stages of a child\'s life.'),(22802,13,4020915,4021055,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22803,13,4021065,4024465,'Lalitha','And the more openly it happens, I think it\'s better.'),(22804,13,4025155,4035905,'Lalitha','Where India being a fledgling democracy, I think these children should have the capacity to question later the injustices that happened to them.'),(22805,13,4035915,4044265,'Lalitha','Without succumbing to them, or take risks to question their authority or anything, in a more civilized manner.'),(22806,13,4046135,4046405,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22807,13,4047095,4050175,'Lalitha','Not throwing stones or shouting slogans.'),(22808,13,4051055,4051235,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22809,13,4053795,4057125,'Lalitha','So, that\'s how I became what is called as an activist teacher.'),(22810,13,4058385,4058715,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22811,13,4058735,4059281,'Gayithri','You call yourself an activist teacher?'),(22812,13,4059281,4059965,'Lalitha','Teacher as an activist.'),(22813,13,4061345,4061665,'Lalitha','Yes.'),(22814,13,4062005,4063145,'Lalitha','And there was a book that was...'),(22815,13,4063155,4064745,'Lalitha','I\'m sorry, I forget the name.'),(22816,13,4064755,4070965,'Lalitha','The teacher had written such a wonderful book and it almost echoed many of my own experiences.'),(22817,13,4075675,4076380,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22818,13,4076865,4078575,'Gayithri','That brings us to a perfect point.'),(22819,13,4078575,4090865,'Gayithri','Would you want to think with me about these different thinkers, philosophers, role models who might have influenced you, in the way you\'ve been thinking and working?'),(22820,13,4100275,4102865,'Gayithri','Even any schools of thoughts that you would want to mention?'),(22821,13,4105505,4111155,'Lalitha','I told I entered school, this career without having a degree of...'),(22822,13,4111175,4114257,'Lalitha','Without knowing who PRJ was, Carl Rogers was, Maria Montessori was, Paulo Freire was.'),(22823,13,4114345,4120245,'Lalitha','I did not even know that Gandhi had his own vision of Naitalim.'),(22824,13,4123825,4131930,'Lalitha','My first 10 years of schooling itself, my own reflective along with the group of teachers I worked, that is very important.'),(22825,13,4131985,4138758,'Lalitha','The ambience that the school gives, the workplace gives you in the beginning and definitely gives you a very big confident start.'),(22826,13,4138758,4139345,'Lalitha','And that I did my BA degree after that, made a lot of sense.'),(22827,13,4139345,4167335,'Lalitha','I would go through the curriculum of BA with lot of courage and confidence and even critique some of the passages there, questions given there, which I thought was very, again, ritualistic in Indian conditions.'),(22828,13,4167445,4168415,'Lalitha','Because, they\'re not very highly...'),(22829,13,4168655,4175925,'Lalitha','They are just ritualistic degrees, that is all.'),(22830,13,4176175,4187285,'Lalitha','They don\'t demand much from a person, who\'s going to be a teacher and a reflective teacher or an activist teacher as the world demands the teachers to be.'),(22831,13,4188945,4192195,'Lalitha','But, they\'re also...'),(22832,13,4192935,4193365,'Lalitha','I don\'t know.'),(22833,13,4193365,4193882,'Lalitha','I have a feeling.'),(22834,13,4194015,4195452,'Lalitha','But, there are a lot of people who I have met, who have a lot of...'),(22835,13,4195452,4206525,'Lalitha','Most unconditioned people, women and men of all sorts.'),(22836,13,4207105,4212565,'Lalitha','TVS helped me.'),(22837,13,4214195,4220435,'Lalitha','My second school, where I worked helped me to look into all these theories, education theories.'),(22838,13,4221015,4233965,'Lalitha','One thing I liked more about was called Kohlberg\'s moral development theories, where this question bothers me again.'),(22839,13,4233995,4242850,'Lalitha','I was telling you about why teachers don\'t think the job they\'re doing in the class in front of the children is very important.'),(22840,13,4244765,4257125,'Lalitha','Why is it, in any office, a person that comes to you, when you are in the service sector, when somebody comes to you, why don\'t you think that you are supposed to the job and that you don\'t do it?'),(22841,13,4257125,4257565,'Lalitha','Why?'),(22842,13,4261825,4265795,'Lalitha','What is it that makes you not do that job?'),(22843,13,4267015,4269015,'Lalitha','For example, I tell this to children.'),(22844,13,4269015,4270955,'Lalitha','For example, when I go to school, this is what I...'),(22845,13,4275505,4277815,'Lalitha','When I travel by public buses, this it happens.'),(22846,13,4280605,4285355,'Lalitha','The conductor may not give you the change properly back, or I have to ask him to give me the change back.'),(22847,13,4285815,4299155,'Lalitha','So, I go and talk about these to the children, to say, why it is important that the conductors should behave as a conductor and has to be true to his profession by giving the exact change or make certain amends of it, trying to more sensitive.'),(22848,13,4299165,4301005,'Lalitha','Because, that is the government that I see.'),(22849,13,4303545,4316355,'Lalitha','So, the child very early, gets to know what a government is through the conductor or through the policemen or through any subordinate officer that the child meets, or the BEO officer that comes, or the education official that comes.'),(22850,13,4318055,4360255,'Lalitha','So, all these are learning experiences to me.'),(22851,13,4360255,4360256,'Lalitha','Merely reading the books and everything, I don\'t think...'),(22852,13,4360256,4360257,'Lalitha','Child psychology, it may help in certain ways to...'),(22853,13,4360257,4360258,'Lalitha','I\'m not a researcher.'),(22854,13,4360258,4360259,'Lalitha','I just want to be a classroom teacher.'),(22855,13,4360259,4360261,'Lalitha','What skills are important for a classroom teacher?'),(22856,13,4360261,4360263,'Lalitha','I was a teacher without knowing PRJ.'),(22857,13,4360263,4360265,'Lalitha','I was a teacher without knowing Kohlberg.'),(22858,13,4360265,4360267,'Lalitha','I was a teacher.'),(22859,13,4360267,4360275,'Lalitha','I knew something about moral development without knowing this one.'),(22860,13,4360275,4361365,'Lalitha','All these are very new theories.'),(22861,13,4362605,4370465,'Lalitha','But, fundamentally what is old is, trying to be sensitive to the person that is before you.'),(22862,13,4370485,4371155,'Lalitha','That is all.'),(22863,13,4371555,4372427,'Lalitha','And true to the person that\'s standing before you.'),(22864,13,4372427,4372628,'Lalitha','That is all.'),(22865,13,4372695,4375215,'Lalitha','This is an age-old.'),(22866,13,4375255,4378905,'Lalitha','Since humans evolved that has been the demand.'),(22867,13,4380925,4381817,'Lalitha','Otherwise, there is a problem.'),(22868,13,4382005,4383735,'Lalitha','Any other behavior is called violent.'),(22869,13,4386095,4387216,'Lalitha','So, this I see as a form of violence.'),(22870,13,4387216,4387228,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22871,13,4387228,4423895,'Lalitha','My experience is that, when I met with all these people, people who write such great books are really as human as I am.'),(22872,13,4423895,4426765,'Lalitha','That is why I feel proud about myself.'),(22873,13,4426775,4428365,'Lalitha','That is all.'),(22874,13,4429145,4433565,'Lalitha','They may have the skill to write it, to quote it, to write in the way that it is published or whatever it is.'),(22875,13,4433985,4435085,'Lalitha','No offense meant to them.'),(22876,13,4435105,4439285,'Lalitha','But, I think they don\'t intimidate me at all.'),(22877,13,4441155,4441415,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(22878,13,4441425,4441705,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22879,13,4443425,4443805,'Gayithri','Totally.'),(22880,13,4445475,4454025,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned that there was a book by a teacher that you read that really resonated with what you have been thinking.'),(22881,13,4454045,4463085,'Gayithri','But maybe, you\'re not able to re recollect like the book at this point, but I would definitely love to know what book.'),(22882,13,4463235,4463255,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22883,13,4463255,4466735,'Lalitha','When I was jotting down the points to answer you, I thought I would, but I did not have time.'),(22884,13,4466735,4468615,'Gayithri','That\'s fine akka.'),(22885,13,4468625,4472445,'Gayithri','Even if we can get it at some point later, we can add it too, like a reading list.'),(22886,13,4475285,4478539,'Lalitha','I remember that book very clearly.'),(22887,13,4478539,4479455,'Gayithri','Was it by an Indian teacher?'),(22888,13,4479455,4480465,'Gayithri','Or was it...'),(22889,13,4480675,4482695,'Lalitha','No, it was not by any...'),(22890,13,4484255,4486248,'Lalitha','Margaret is one more teacher who I met.'),(22891,13,4486525,4487895,'Lalitha','I met a lot of people, actually.'),(22892,13,4487895,4489405,'Lalitha','There is also one more important thing.'),(22893,13,4489405,4496788,'Lalitha','Because, when you talk about marginalized schools, I forgot to tell you to tell you that I was also connected with these alternative schools in India, which people have started.'),(22894,13,4496995,4509795,'Lalitha','People had started way back in 1970s or something, alternate schools, where they wanted to...'),(22895,13,4509795,4516085,'Lalitha','Where they did not want to stick to your curriculum and make it a more holistic approach to schools, to learning and everything.'),(22896,13,4519405,4524415,'Lalitha','I met a lot of teachers from schools, which are supposed to be very elite.'),(22897,13,4524545,4530885,'Lalitha','For example, J Krishnamurti school, JK schools, Krishnamurti schools as they\'re called.'),(22898,13,4531685,4536438,'Lalitha','And of course, when I went to Germany, it was very interesting for me to go to Waldorf schools also.'),(22899,13,4536715,4540635,'Lalitha','Because when I went to Europe, my point was to visit some of these schools.'),(22900,13,4541185,4545825,'Lalitha','It was interesting that I stayed with a family where the children went to Waldorf school and what it meant to be.'),(22901,13,4546365,4550435,'Lalitha','What was this, about Waldorf?'),(22902,13,4550465,4551805,'Lalitha','That\'s what, when I went to the Waldorf school, you know what happened?'),(22903,13,4551855,4559725,'Lalitha','There was a person who was tending the plants, he was just loosening the soil and he happened to be the vice principal of the school.'),(22904,13,4560955,4572085,'Lalitha','I don\'t see any principal of Indian school doing the job, why?'),(22905,13,4573185,4573372,'Lalitha','You have a maali[gardener].'),(22906,13,4573372,4576075,'Lalitha','That\'s why I come back to the same thing that you want to break this hierarchy.'),(22907,13,4576075,4581705,'Lalitha','You want to bring in this dignity of labor, but you don\'t see people with power doing such job.'),(22908,13,4582105,4585365,'Lalitha','Because, it\'s always delegated.'),(22909,13,4585365,4586655,'Lalitha','Of course, everyone has a role to play.'),(22910,13,4586755,4594945,'Lalitha','Everyone has a role to play, I understand, but within this understanding also, do children get an occasion to see that the principal can also do this job.'),(22911,13,4595245,4596415,'Lalitha','The teacher can also do this job.'),(22912,13,4596565,4603755,'Lalitha','It\'s a job worth doing, worth knowing.'),(22913,13,4607285,4607645,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22914,13,4615705,4621445,'Gayithri','You were talking about alternative schools that you...'),(22915,13,4621445,4621655,'Lalitha','That is what.'),(22916,13,4621655,4623305,'Lalitha','These alternative schools where everybody practiced everything.'),(22917,13,4625795,4628475,'Lalitha','More egalitarian view, the child could think that no job was small or big.'),(22918,13,4631275,4634395,'Lalitha','Everybody called each other by name and there was no hierarchy.'),(22919,13,4634925,4642835,'Lalitha','So, these are alternative schools where the classroom strength is very small and you can do a lot of experiments with your theater, art, and music and everything.'),(22920,13,4644665,4647215,'Lalitha','And this caters to a very small population of the society.'),(22921,13,4647695,4651405,'Lalitha','But when I went to J Krishnamurti school, there also, I found that...'),(22922,13,4653905,4662545,'Lalitha','But finally, again, depends upon the kind of teachers and parents who come to the school to maintain the vision of the schools that they began with.'),(22923,13,4663205,4665305,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(22924,13,4665535,4685105,'Lalitha','So it is very important that the philosophy of the school, if it is really progressing, the parents carry it and not try to bring down the philosophy of the school, to what the market philosophy of schooling education in India is now.'),(22925,13,4685355,4693635,'Lalitha','That you have to get marks 99 out of 100 and 99.99, and nothing else.'),(22926,13,4694245,4699305,'Lalitha','Yeah, I want my child to do art music and everything.'),(22927,13,4699305,4705601,'Lalitha','But in physics, I want my child to get 99.9, and in maths, perhaps 100 out of 100.'),(22928,13,4706575,4706595,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(22929,13,4710395,4711975,'Gayithri','Any other projects that you\'re excited about?'),(22930,13,4712105,4713715,'Lalitha','Yeah, I went to Shikshantar.'),(22931,13,4715705,4716755,'Lalitha','One more interesting place...'),(22932,13,4717315,4725505,'Lalitha','I have always, since the time I took off from my home, I have always taken off now and then visiting people and places, people, connecting with events.'),(22933,13,4725555,4729395,'Lalitha','Once, I took off to somewhere in Mussoorie.'),(22934,13,4729395,4732505,'Lalitha','I went for a theater workshop there and I met very interesting people and participated in theater there.'),(22935,13,4740045,4743665,'Lalitha','In fact, those two people are very well known now in education sectors, actually.'),(22936,13,4744455,4759415,'Lalitha','And there, I got introduced to what is now many people now, or many youngsters now read about is about the Dharmapal, who has written books on India, on Indian culture, what India was before the colonial times.'),(22937,13,4760165,4761251,'Lalitha','I did not know the name of the person, till I visited that place.'),(22938,13,4761251,4761805,'Lalitha','The organization is called SIDH.'),(22939,13,4761805,4772707,'Lalitha','It was very interesting for me to...'),(22940,13,4772707,4774665,'Gayithri','Is it SIND or SIDH, akka?'),(22941,13,4774725,4775505,'Gayithri','S-I-D-H?'),(22942,13,4775575,4777275,'Lalitha','SIDH, Sidh.'),(22943,13,4777275,4781325,'Lalitha','I met Vinish Gupta there.'),(22944,13,4781415,4782295,'Lalitha','I\'m still in touch with him.'),(22945,13,4782295,4785861,'Lalitha','Vipul Rikhi, who sings songs of Kabir.'),(22946,13,4786295,4792325,'Lalitha','I met some interesting people and of course I\'ve been going to retreat doing Navadarshanam, which is a progressive organic farming thing.'),(22947,13,4792325,4794335,'Lalitha','Because I\'m basically a farmer.'),(22948,13,4794335,4795435,'Lalitha','So, I\'m interested in farming also.'),(22949,13,4796215,4806655,'Lalitha','And then, I went to Shikshantar, which is run by Manish Jain.'),(22950,13,4806655,4807855,'Lalitha','I went to Shikshantar, Udaipur also.'),(22951,13,4810105,4813745,'Lalitha','I went there four times in a year, two for an education course.'),(22952,13,4813745,4816565,'Lalitha','I met some wonderful people from all over India there.'),(22953,13,4818465,4820035,'Lalitha','I met this philosopher.'),(22954,13,4820085,4825065,'Lalitha','He is in Azim Premji University, now.'),(22955,13,4825515,4826355,'Lalitha','What is his name?'),(22956,13,4828725,4829135,'Lalitha','I forget his name.'),(22957,13,4829135,4829379,'Lalitha','Why do I forget names?'),(22958,13,4829435,4830025,'Lalitha','Okay, fine.'),(22959,13,4830025,4834415,'Lalitha','But, I met a lot of people among them sociologists.'),(22960,13,4834755,4842881,'Lalitha','I interacted with a lot of university professors in that education course, which I took, which was very interesting.'),(22961,13,4843235,4846935,'Lalitha','Then, I went to Eklavya which has done some tremendous job.'),(22962,13,4846935,4853275,'Lalitha','Eklavya, I think, is one of the most interesting organizations in India, which has done a lot in education'),(22963,13,4853805,4856865,'Gayithri','In what way, akka?'),(22964,13,4856865,4859435,'Lalitha','Not mainstream, but it was among...'),(22965,13,4859435,4863773,'Lalitha','Their textbooks were used in Madhya Pradesh, but later, politics outlawed its way.'),(22966,13,4863773,4868725,'Lalitha','But many of the books in Andhra and Telengana, they\'re all based on this Eklavya model.'),(22967,13,4868865,4873295,'Lalitha','Especially, social sciences and science, working by hands and they\'re doing by hands and everything.'),(22968,13,4874555,4876121,'Lalitha','I met those peoples Subhu and Rashmi.'),(22969,13,4876265,4882175,'Lalitha','They are very interesting people and University of Shikshantar.'),(22970,13,4884145,4889065,'Lalitha','I keep meeting people and I always make it a point to meet people and attempt...'),(22971,13,4889385,4896915,'Lalitha','During this COVID time, what has happened is, I listened to a lot of webinars, participated in webinars as a tool for the teachers.'),(22972,13,4896915,4900315,'Lalitha','But I listen to a lot of webinars on history, on science and everything.'),(22973,13,4901265,4912937,'Lalitha','There is so much interesting things happening that, and now my, this one is, to reach these, my learning or these sites to the teachers, with whom I\'m working with.'),(22974,13,4912937,4928645,'Lalitha','It\'s very important, where there\'s so much, tremendous of learning material that is there for teachers who learn on, to pick up and enrich themselves and be more and more confident in engaging the children with exciting thoughts.'),(22975,13,4931895,4935435,'Gayithri','Would you want to mention one or two of those webinars?'),(22976,13,4936105,4936125,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(22977,13,4936465,4942435,'Lalitha','One webinar was from the Bangalore International Center and there is a phytopia, something on plants.'),(22978,13,4942975,4944565,'Lalitha','My goodness.'),(22979,13,4945345,4947885,'Lalitha','I think it was an international thing that had come to Bangalore.'),(22980,13,4947885,4952025,'Lalitha','It was an exhibition.'),(22981,13,4952785,4954615,'Lalitha','People were not allowed because it was all online.'),(22982,13,4956885,4957415,'Lalitha','There were lectures.'),(22983,13,4957415,4958785,'Lalitha','You could sign up.'),(22984,13,4958895,4962015,'Lalitha','Everything was free and it was about plants.'),(22985,13,4963005,4966005,'Lalitha','Amazing lectures.'),(22986,13,4967225,4972395,'Lalitha','One lecture was about...'),(22987,13,4972455,4977518,'Lalitha','When you go to the British Museum, Natural History Museum, what would you expect to see?'),(22988,13,4977518,4977535,'Lalitha','What do you expect?'),(22989,13,4977535,4978095,'Lalitha','What would you expect to see?'),(22990,13,4979385,4980035,'Lalitha','What do you expect?'),(22991,13,4981305,4989455,'Lalitha','Natural History museum means what comes to your mind?'),(22992,13,4989455,4989589,'Gayithri','Evolution.'),(22993,13,4989589,4989992,'Lalitha','Blah blah blah….'),(22994,13,4989992,4990489,'Lalitha','But nowhere are there any plants.'),(22995,13,4990489,4990491,'Lalitha','[crosstalk]'),(22996,13,4990491,5001605,'Lalitha','.<v Gayithri> Hmmm really that’s what I am trying to recollect, but I\'ve never been able to go through [crosstalk] once.'),(22997,13,5002315,5006245,'Lalitha','All these lectures are available online in VIC the website.'),(22998,13,5006245,5021675,'Lalitha','This lady spoke about tiles on the roof of the museum, which has description, paintings of plants, amazing lecture on plants.'),(22999,13,5022125,5023645,'Lalitha','She talked about each tile there.'),(23000,13,5026145,5026635,'Lalitha','What is it?'),(23001,13,5026715,5027997,'Lalitha','And why the plants were there?'),(23002,13,5027997,5029435,'Lalitha','And what is the meaning?'),(23003,13,5029445,5031095,'Lalitha','Why did the plant come there?'),(23004,13,5032135,5035605,'Lalitha','And there was something on osmosis.'),(23005,13,5035625,5054685,'Lalitha','I mean, very, very interesting [inaudible] and coming down to history and where I want to talk about history, there was one lecture about how kingdoms came into being in South India by a professor from IIT Manali, I think, from somewhere in North India, Mandi North India.'),(23006,13,5054875,5071465,'Lalitha','There is another group which started Ruthumana, in Bangalore based, which held a lot of......There was this person who was Australian professor, professor was talking about how the Mysore Kings.....'),(23007,13,5071465,5083665,'Lalitha','How did they come to become the devotee of Chamundi?'),(23008,13,5084145,5098265,'Lalitha','And also insight into Hampi, one of the lectures where I got to know the prostitution was taxed in Hampi during Vijayanagara times.'),(23009,13,5100835,5112655,'Lalitha','The profession was so important and it was so much in practice that the king thought it had to be taxed.'),(23010,13,5114945,5118665,'Gayithri','And it was legalized, so it was a recognized profession.'),(23011,13,5118815,5122236,'Lalitha','Yes recognized, which people in the 20th century are trying to grow up with it.'),(23012,13,5122236,5122245,'Lalitha','Should we recognize it or what?'),(23013,13,5122245,5139425,'Lalitha','Because there was one professor in Bangalore University who was trying to say that this has to be recognized as a profession so that it gives some legal status with people if you want to see it as dignity to that......if it is a kind of profession that you want, people, women choose to follow.'),(23014,13,5140105,5140345,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23015,13,5142495,5143745,'Lalitha','So amazing.'),(23016,13,5143745,5152089,'Lalitha','And in the same big thing, there was something called as RUI one more lecture on the desert landscape that is created in Jaipur.'),(23017,13,5152089,5156914,'Lalitha','Designer, who has created this urban desert.'),(23018,13,5156914,5157022,'Lalitha','It was nice to know that such [inaudible] happen in India.'),(23019,13,5157022,5157207,'Lalitha','And I want teachers and people in the education field to be at least a part of these lectures.'),(23020,13,5157207,5159270,'Lalitha','Of course, there are plenty, but at least listening to one such lectures once a week or a fortnight, I think will make the teachers very, very competent and that is what I expect, nothing more.'),(23021,13,5159270,5159342,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(23022,13,5159342,5207095,'Gayithri','So moving forward, what maybe one or two things that you would like to see more of?'),(23023,13,5207305,5208550,'Lalitha','NEP is coming into being right?'),(23024,13,5208745,5219835,'Lalitha','The new education policy in 2020 is coming, so [inaudible] in to see how this translates, how the curriculum gets changed, how there will be some change in the curriculum.'),(23025,13,5220305,5234645,'Lalitha','And there is already this more to bring in art and theater to government schools, which so far there is art, but not in primary schools and there is no link between curriculum, between disciplines.'),(23026,13,5235365,5242465,'Lalitha','That means the art teacher is an art teacher and history teacher is....There is no link between the history of art, history of science or anything or theater.'),(23027,13,5242695,5254575,'Lalitha','How can theater be used in literary, enriching literary work of the children or the history lessons.'),(23028,13,5254855,5259965,'Lalitha','So if that space is created, I think we will have much more to do.'),(23029,13,5259965,5268595,'Lalitha','And I\'ll be happy to contribute my own experiences in that area and because that is one.....'),(23030,13,5268625,5275775,'Lalitha','Yeah, you can bring in the curriculum, you can bring in the policy, but how do you translate that into action is very, very important.'),(23031,13,5276605,5289839,'Lalitha','So I think I will have a big role to play there, to see how [inaudible] can be integrated, we are working on that actually.'),(23032,13,5289839,5298225,'Lalitha','So in my new social science lessons, I\'ve tried to bring in science and social aspects of this one in science also, which is very....'),(23033,13,5298225,5317348,'Lalitha','I [inaudible] recently held for some 200 teachers by Rotary Bangalore and the best compliment I received was one of the maths teacher, she said, \"Madam, if we had really known this is what social science is all about, I wouldn\'t have been a maths teacher.\"'),(23034,13,5317415,5319490,'Gayithri','And what exactly was this workshop about Akka?'),(23035,13,5319635,5321805,'Gayithri','Like if you would want to quickly-'),(23036,13,5323425,5327005,'Lalitha','This was something about how do you bring in, what is social science?'),(23037,13,5327625,5328025,'Gayithri','Mm.'),(23038,13,5330335,5334555,'Lalitha','So what is social science all about?'),(23039,13,5335085,5336915,'Lalitha','What are the activities that you can do with children?'),(23040,13,5342565,5344185,'Lalitha','What are the questions?'),(23041,13,5344185,5356595,'Lalitha','How do you engage children with social science, because history, geography are subjects and sociology are subjects, which are treated very, very poorly in schools and colleges, even in universities sometimes.'),(23042,13,5357335,5373035,'Lalitha','When you talk about societal, when you talk about accountability, when you talk about equity, when you talk about marginalized groups, it is very, very important that the children who become toppers do something about.'),(23043,13,5373425,5374941,'Lalitha','Only when they know the society, they can contribute, right?'),(23044,13,5374941,5384185,'Lalitha','[crosstalk] What are the problems that it has, and how do I use my own learning or my skills to better the society that I live in.'),(23045,13,5385125,5394635,'Lalitha','So all this should go hand in hand.'),(23046,13,5394635,5394665,'Gayithri','True.'),(23047,13,5394745,5401890,'Lalitha','They liked it approach very much actually and somewhere in Tamil Nadu when I was talking to school teachers in Tamil Nadu, there was one more group talking teachers of Tamil Nadu about the Chola Empire.'),(23048,13,5402835,5407255,'Lalitha','It was appalling to know that one of the teachers did not know that Chola was a big maritime empire.'),(23049,13,5415265,5421665,'Lalitha','They may all be very good people, but being good is not enough, right?'),(23050,13,5421845,5422365,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(23051,13,5422875,5424345,'Lalitha','I don\'t tell lies, I don\'t kill people, I don\'t eat beef.'),(23052,13,5424345,5424360,'Lalitha','That is not being good.'),(23053,13,5424360,5426649,'Lalitha','I\'m sorry to use the word beef because people think, no, I don\'t eat beef, so I\'m good.'),(23054,13,5426649,5426740,'Gayithri','That\'s the more recent discourse about what\'s [crosstalk]'),(23055,13,5426740,5426786,'Gayithri','.<v Lalitha> Most discourse is happening.'),(23056,13,5426786,5451875,'Lalitha','So when you reduce everything to what you wear and what you eat, this is very unparalleled, I think in the history of India, when people talk like this.'),(23057,13,5456605,5461425,'Lalitha','This is all very new and which is all very dangerous actually.'),(23058,13,5462815,5465935,'Gayithri','Why do you say so Akka?'),(23059,13,5466635,5468157,'Lalitha','Because it becomes very exclusive, right?'),(23060,13,5468157,5474015,'Lalitha','When you want to build a world of inclusivity, then you want to become more and more exclusive, is it?'),(23061,13,5479685,5486577,'Lalitha','I don\'t eat beef is an exclusivity, I don\'t eat meat, I don\'t fish, I\'m a vegan, I\'m exclusive.'),(23062,13,5486577,5494565,'Lalitha','I\'m married within my community, I don\'t allow my child to marry somebody from the other community is being exclusive.'),(23063,13,5496405,5497525,'Lalitha','Love Jihad that is happening.'),(23064,13,5497695,5501465,'Lalitha','The new strain that is happening, thing that is spoken in India.'),(23065,13,5502775,5509525,'Lalitha','Oh, one more thing, what moral right do Indian gurus have to speak about the curriculum of the textbooks?'),(23066,13,5511865,5515875,'Lalitha','Why do you think people in power have the right to speak about everything and anything?'),(23067,13,5517855,5532565,'Lalitha','Then I go back to the times when has India ever freed itself from the clutches of this so-called religion, people in power, spiritual need is....'),(23068,13,5532835,5545945,'Lalitha','When I think of a guru or somebody, a clad in saffron or white or whatever it even they claim to be in the realm of spirituality, I want them to cater to the need of that human need only.'),(23069,13,5547155,5548815,'Lalitha','Can they dictate a history curriculum?'),(23070,13,5548815,5550835,'Lalitha','Can they dictate a science curriculum?'),(23071,13,5550845,5556265,'Lalitha','It has happened recently in Karnataka.'),(23072,13,5560035,5560525,'Gayithri','Where-'),(23073,13,5562095,5566735,'Lalitha','When I speak to teachers, I speak about these also.'),(23074,13,5569275,5572955,'Lalitha','That\'s why some teachers said, \"Oh Madam, you have lot of courage, so you can say all this.\"'),(23075,13,5573035,5574125,'Lalitha','I said, who am I?'),(23076,13,5574315,5574890,'Lalitha','I\'m a teacher like you, that is all.'),(23077,13,5574890,5575035,'Lalitha','I have a master\'s degree.'),(23078,13,5575035,5575267,'Lalitha','I don\'t need degrees to speak my mind.'),(23079,13,5575267,5624315,'Lalitha','So these are all the dangerous trends in India, which I don\'t know how to.....It is becoming more and more, and it has to be dealt very sensitively because I work in the government setup, I have to work with government school teachers because something said could carry meaning.'),(23080,13,5624925,5627325,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative] sure.'),(23081,13,5627825,5630025,'Lalitha','You could put it in a way that I did not mean it to be.'),(23082,13,5630675,5630865,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23083,13,5635485,5650375,'Lalitha','So I think it is going to be, it\'s unfortunately more tough to create a society of inclusivity.'),(23084,13,5650375,5652315,'Gayithri','Is what you\'re seeing as a pattern, as a trend?'),(23085,13,5652365,5652925,'Lalitha','Yes.'),(23086,13,5652925,5656705,'Lalitha','Because it\'s very easy, right?'),(23087,13,5660325,5676995,'Lalitha','So I see this one to hard work, when you say hard work, it is not only that, it is trying to expand your belonging, expand your identity, not restricted to the language you speak, the food you eat or anything.'),(23088,13,5678485,5682871,'Lalitha','I need not eat beef to be inclusive.'),(23089,13,5684075,5698265,'Lalitha','I need not eat beef to be inclusive, but I can include a beef eating person into my psyche, into my thoughts.'),(23090,13,5698265,5707705,'Lalitha','So how do you distinguish between people who are very different from you?'),(23091,13,5709195,5711185,'Lalitha','How do you include them in your life?'),(23092,13,5713385,5715262,'Lalitha','What is a parameter that you choose to include a person in your life, in your community?'),(23093,13,5715275,5721545,'Lalitha','India is so diverse.'),(23094,13,5723135,5723435,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23095,13,5725405,5727695,'Lalitha','And I have grown in that diverse community.'),(23096,13,5728975,5731335,'Lalitha','I don\'t want to be stifled now at this age.'),(23097,13,5733195,5735745,'Lalitha','And I don\'t think we\'ll see this as progress at all.'),(23098,13,5748525,5748545,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23099,13,5748545,5759135,'Gayithri','Well, all we can do is hope at this point and still see if there is like some light shining somewhere to take us forward.'),(23100,13,5760965,5761215,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(23101,13,5762935,5781695,'Lalitha','The thing is you have to keep talking about these things, taking some amount of risks with the people in very small doses so that they start to think.'),(23102,13,5782165,5783485,'Gayithri','Yeah, for sure.'),(23103,13,5784925,5789165,'Lalitha','I cannot give revolutionary talks like zindabad and all, I cannot do all that.'),(23104,13,5789185,5790465,'Lalitha','That is not the way at all.'),(23105,13,5791065,5791315,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23106,13,5793945,5804405,'Lalitha','So finally, the end of the day, when you talk about humans, then you have to understand that all these divisions, hierarchies, everything is created is all human created.'),(23107,13,5805215,5809455,'Lalitha','And fortunately, I deal with the subject of social science where I introduce all these.'),(23108,13,5809895,5816005,'Lalitha','I find it very easy to introduce in very small doses within the curriculum itself.'),(23109,13,5816035,5818005,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative] exactly, yeah.'),(23110,13,5820885,5824215,'Lalitha','Be it science, the myth of science or anything for that matter, nothing is sacred.'),(23111,13,5824835,5828285,'Lalitha','Nothing is written in gold or on stone.'),(23112,13,5828815,5829615,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative] yeah.'),(23113,13,5831515,5849475,'Lalitha','So finally, end of the day, you don\'t think of gravity, you don\'t think of your religion also, what you think of is your own comfort level of what you feel in your mind, which neither gravity can give you, not your religion can give you.'),(23114,13,5849475,5851403,'Lalitha','And what is that?'),(23115,13,5851885,5854405,'Lalitha','And that is you.'),(23116,13,5854475,5854755,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23117,13,5855505,5858955,'Gayithri','Is there anything that we didn\'t touch upon or talk about?'),(23118,13,5859965,5862215,'Gayithri','Because I\'m also really mindful of your time.'),(23119,13,5862245,5864205,'Gayithri','I know you are yet to have your dinner.'),(23120,13,5865635,5866245,'Lalitha','No, no, no.'),(23121,13,5868205,5868645,'Lalitha','I think....'),(23122,13,5870345,5873881,'Gayithri','And of course, is it possible for you to share your notes with me Akka?'),(23123,13,5873881,5887595,'Gayithri','Like even if it\'s handwritten, if you can just take a picture, I think it\'ll be very helpful, only if you don\'t mind.'),(23124,13,5889185,5911205,'Lalitha','In Indian context, if I want to talk, when you said what you want to look forward to, then I want the child to feel as a global citizen, without being apologetic about your past, be ashamed of what had happened in the past and how people rate what India is.'),(23125,13,5911635,5915895,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(23126,13,5917135,5924185,'Lalitha','I think India is becoming more and more or the situation is created in such a way, people are becoming more and more anti-West.'),(23127,13,5925415,5927495,'Lalitha','I don\'t know whether I called the anti-West or something.'),(23128,13,5928105,5943335,'Lalitha','See, they don\'t mind using phones and everything [inaudible] what do you call [crosstalk] they\'re not bothered about it, but beef eating, okay.'),(23129,13,5944465,5945745,'Lalitha','Why should it trouble them?'),(23130,13,5945745,5961745,'Lalitha','So when India does not export beef to its neighboring state, Karnataka does not export, the kind of section of people don\'t have that food, which is their staple diet.'),(23131,13,5966965,5967245,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23132,13,5970185,5982735,'Lalitha','And emotionally thinking of India as a country, which has done nothing wrong, no wrong has happened in the past.'),(23133,13,5983585,6000215,'Lalitha','And projecting India as something which has always been a country of nonviolence, everything, I think it is something very wrong.'),(23134,13,6000215,6005403,'Lalitha','What is happening today is very, very important.'),(23135,13,6005403,6019705,'Lalitha','If you don\'t respond to the present and keep glorifying the past, it\'ll not take us anywhere.'),(23136,13,6020135,6020485,'Gayithri','True.'),(23137,13,6027915,6033185,'Lalitha','I don\'t think there was anything else that we missed on tak tak tak….'),(23138,13,6033185,6038385,'Gayithri','It\'ll be nice to have a copy of those notes as well Akka.'),(23139,13,6038395,6038415,'Lalitha','Yeah.'),(23140,13,6038445,6047879,'Lalitha','If I send you the notes to you, you\'ll not even read one word of it, because it is how my jottings will be.'),(23141,13,6047915,6052125,'Gayithri','I think that\'s true with most of our handwritings, but at least we can give it a try I thought.'),(23142,13,6054675,6066625,'Lalitha','No, I can send certain jottings of mine for you [inaudible] . I don\'t know whether you\'ve read two of my articles, which is appeared in Teacher Plus, have I ever shared it with you?'),(23143,13,6067105,6067355,'Gayithri','No.'),(23144,13,6069405,6070013,'Lalitha','I used to write that article.'),(23145,13,6070013,6074105,'Lalitha','I used to write with that magazine actually, and some [crosstalk]'),(23146,13,6074105,6077685,'Lalitha','.<v Gayithri> It would be great if you can share them, I\'ll try to search by myself.'),(23147,13,6077725,6083285,'Gayithri','But if I don\'t land there, it\'ll be great if you can share, especially if you already have a copy of it Akka.'),(23148,13,6083285,6097461,'Lalitha','No, I can get a copy of that very easily and send you the soft copies actually, soft copy of that and I can also send you my CV in which I\'ve written of my experiences of what I did as [crosstalk]'),(23149,13,6097461,6097463,'Lalitha','.<v Gayithri> Fantastic.'),(23150,13,6097463,6097471,'Lalitha','Till I joined.....'),(23151,13,6097471,6097475,'Gayithri','ILP?'),(23152,13,6097685,6098425,'Lalitha','ILP.'),(23153,13,6098425,6098455,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23154,13,6098455,6114465,'Lalitha','So that could give you an insight of what I did and what I did not do also.'),(23155,13,6114465,6115255,'Lalitha','What I did and what I did not do.'),(23156,13,6118795,6120285,'Gayithri','And where you\'re coming from, yeah.'),(23157,13,6121555,6141418,'Lalitha','And recently I\'ve been working on the social science curriculum again, and I\'ve incorporated two of my friends into it who are not teachers, but they can read and write and critically they\'re voracious readers.'),(23158,13,6141418,6141481,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative].'),(23159,13,6141481,6151277,'Lalitha','So they can look into my material and they\'re giving me some fantastic suggestions.'),(23160,13,6151277,6160445,'Lalitha','Unfortunately, all that cannot be incorporated because opening up teachers to such kind of discourse has to be continuous.'),(23161,13,6160945,6163265,'Gayithri','Mm-hmm [affirmative] it cannot be a one time-'),(23162,13,6163335,6166045,'Lalitha','Unless it does not become their own thoughts.'),(23163,13,6166645,6166855,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23164,37,84380,84729,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23165,37,84980,87190,'... Gayithri','introduction, but I\'ll still briefly introduce myself.'),(23166,37,88279,103110,'Murari','Yeah, so I\'m Murari Jha, and primarily, I have been working here as a social science teacher in an elementary school for last around 12 years now, and simultaneously, I have also been studying.'),(23167,37,103110,110910,'Murari','So, while teaching in the school, I went for my master\'s at Tata Institute of Social Science Mumbai, and got that master\'s in elementary education.'),(23168,37,112090,121179,'Murari','And later, I joined the PhD program at Jamia Milia Islamia, and I\'m pursuing my PhD.'),(23169,37,121179,122819,'Murari','It\'s in the advanced stage now.'),(23170,37,123499,128470,'Murari','It\'s basically in a larger domain of curriculum studies and social science.'),(23171,37,129139,129619,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(23172,37,130280,141790,'Murari','In 2018, I got a Fulbright fellowship and attended a very short-term program at George Mason University Virginia.'),(23173,37,142420,144969,'Murari','So, that exposure I have.'),(23174,37,146750,150590,'Murari','So, these are some of the things which I have been doing, working and all.'),(23175,37,151030,151580,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23176,37,151660,152340,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23177,37,152360,152810,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23178,37,152820,153639,'Gayithri','Thank you, Murari.'),(23179,37,153689,155670,'Gayithri','AS I told, I\'m Gayithri Jayathirtha.'),(23180,37,156700,164720,'Gayithri','I\'m actually from Bangalore, but I have been a student at University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia for about six years now.'),(23181,37,165010,171510,'Gayithri','Four years as a doctoral student and two more years before that doing my masters\' in learning sciences.'),(23182,37,172349,172849,'Murari','Right.'),(23183,37,174210,177129,'Gayithri','But I primarily research computer science education.'),(23184,37,177130,180810,'Gayithri','If I have to talk about a domain, that\'s my home.'),(23185,37,181650,197329,'Gayithri','But because, of course, given that all my learning experience has been in India, I have been extremely interested in theorizing and understanding more like what happens in learning contexts?'),(23186,37,197400,200040,'Gayithri','How do we teach and learn in these contexts?'),(23187,37,201270,203950,'Gayithri','So, I have been always interested in doing that.'),(23188,37,203950,211430,'Gayithri','So, this was a group that we formed together called South Asian Learning Science Research Collective.'),(23189,37,211849,224089,'Gayithri','We got a little funding to do this, but that\'s to interview folks like you to capture what exactly is happening and the different nuances.'),(23190,37,224889,235810,'Gayithri','So, in this interview, we will simply be interested in hearing from you about your experiences, practices and perspectives of teaching in India.'),(23191,37,237160,245939,'Gayithri','So, we felt that you had a uniquely valuable thinking and you work perfectly at the intersection of public education and learning.'),(23192,37,245940,247570,'Gayithri','We will get to more of that today.'),(23193,37,247580,264960,'Gayithri','So, in our larger study, we will be examining patterns and differences across multiple interviews from a variety of practitioners and projects that I\'ve been supporting teaching and learning in diverse Indian contexts.'),(23194,37,265940,275970,'Gayithri','So, importantly, we actually want to deeply consider a variety of sociocultural groups and center educational equity.'),(23195,37,276510,304390,'Gayithri','So, in this spirit, we are actively seeking perspectives from minoritized groups and, at the same time, we want to understand how equity issues, like some of the important equity issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, indigenous epistemologies, and decolonization have been addressed and talked through in some of the contexts.'),(23196,37,308140,310850,'Gayithri','I know this is like a mouthful, but hopefully-'),(23197,37,311150,313010,'Murari','It sounds very interesting.'),(23198,37,313010,313330,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23199,37,313800,314219,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23200,37,314260,323170,'Gayithri','Thank you, but I hope our questions over the course of one hour or so, hopefully, we\'ll get to uncover some of those.'),(23201,37,323580,327530,'Gayithri','So, maybe we can start with some of the specifics of your context.'),(23202,37,328040,331960,'Gayithri','So, let\'s start with talking about your work.'),(23203,37,333270,335409,'Gayithri','How would you describe your professional role?'),(23204,37,339309,344875,'Murari','Well, this is something very interesting you have asked.'),(23205,37,345050,353020,'Murari','I have been writing regularly about this issue through one of my blogs, i.e., reflectivediary.com.'),(23206,37,353400,370639,'Murari','Most of the write-ups are though in Hindi because I address to a particular group of teachers, but basically, it\'s a huge struggle in India to be seen teachers as professionals.'),(23207,37,373039,380190,'Murari','In theory, it is that teachers are professionals, but in practical context, teachers are just the employee.'),(23208,37,380240,398146,'Murari','They are not the professionals, and a major difference which I see between an employee and a professional is that the professionals have certain eligibility or certain agency or to think through, to innovate, but as an employee and the two...'),(23209,37,398390,403940,'Murari','the last rung of the larger bureaucratic hierarchy, you just need to act upon.'),(23210,37,403940,405466,'Murari','You need not to think.'),(23211,37,405679,406669,'Murari','You just need to act upon.'),(23212,37,406990,420010,'Murari','So, it\'s a huge struggle, and I feel for every teacher here, it\'s a struggle between, the transition with being an employee to becoming a professional.'),(23213,37,420010,425770,'Murari','About the context you were saying, so...'),(23214,37,428420,445759,'Murari','I mean, let me tell you that most of the people who are in the profession of teaching, primarily, it constitutes a large percentage of women at primary level and that percentage gets reduced as we move up.'),(23215,37,445840,447960,'Murari','At elementary level, it could be around 50-50%.'),(23216,37,448609,458050,'Murari','Then at higher secondary level, it could be a little lower percentage of women and more percentage of men, and from where do they come?'),(23217,37,458160,460349,'Murari','Since I have written about all these really recently.'),(23218,37,460349,470130,'Murari','So, I mean, I have some sort of clarity that if you look at class positions and also the caste positions.'),(23219,37,471140,474969,'Murari','So, most of the women are basically in...'),(23220,37,475260,478150,'Murari','I\'m now telling you about Delhi where I work.'),(23221,37,479650,504049,'Murari','So, most of the teachers are urban-educated women, wives basically, working as a teacher who can very well fit into the patriarchal role of working as well as taking care of the home, and most of the men are from the rural background of the neighborhood states of Delhi like Rajasthan, Punjab, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand.'),(23222,37,505540,509289,'Murari','So, men teachers have mostly come from these states.'),(23223,37,509600,511490,'Murari','Most of them have rural background.'),(23224,37,511500,513210,'Murari','They are not urban-educated.'),(23225,37,513789,514780,'Murari','Neither I am.'),(23226,37,514789,520130,'Murari','Actually, I spent my 20 years in a village of Bihar and I studied over there only.'),(23227,37,520800,532739,'Murari','So, when I came here and when I talked to my colleagues, I find that this is a kind of similar background most of the male teacher are sharing, but again, the female teachers have mostly urban-educated.'),(23228,37,532739,532748,'Murari','They studied here in Delhi.'),(23229,37,532748,537629,'Murari','So, this is the kind of context.'),(23230,37,538190,538780,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23231,37,539910,542470,'Murari','I teach in a government school now.'),(23232,37,542470,544135,'Murari','I mean, for last 10 year.'),(23233,37,544140,547040,'Murari','For the first two year, I started teaching in a private school.'),(23234,37,547540,553690,'Murari','Interestingly, you might be aware, we call private school a public school here in India.'),(23235,37,555040,563890,'Murari','So, we are very clever people, and yeah, the government schools...'),(23236,37,565150,572920,'Murari','Now, we have a particular class coming to our schools.'),(23237,37,572920,575690,'Murari','So, it\'s not a very diverse group in terms of class.'),(23238,37,576380,581690,'Murari','It is very diverse in terms of caste, ethnicity, linguistic groups.'),(23239,37,582070,595079,'Murari','So, in that way, we\'ll see our students who are coming to our schools are very diverse, but in terms of class, it\'s mostly highly underprivileged children who are coming to us.'),(23240,37,596140,599150,'Murari','They are from the underprivileged group of society.'),(23241,37,600510,607490,'Gayithri','Sure, and when you meant government schools, are these the state government schools or are they more central schools like KVs?'),(23242,37,608520,614020,'Murari','So, in Delhi, there are four different government agencies which are running these schools.'),(23243,37,615620,618170,'Murari','There are few schools run by a central government.'),(23244,37,618170,618800,'Murari','That is KVs.'),(23245,37,620650,621850,'Murari','There are a couple of Navodaya.'),(23246,37,622440,625580,'Murari','That is the residency school run by the central government.'),(23247,37,625580,634470,'Murari','Then, majority of government schools, which is around 1,030 are run by Delhi government.'),(23248,37,635120,635650,'Gayithri','Exactly.'),(23249,37,635990,642929,'Murari','The second largest number of schools are run by municipal body.'),(23250,37,642929,652480,'Murari','That is MCD, Municipal Corporation of Delhi, and then there are few schools which are run by Delhi Cantonment Zone.'),(23251,37,652490,658930,'Murari','So, this is the army people living there and they have their own schools.'),(23252,37,658940,666540,'Murari','So, these are layers, but if we look at the larger landscape, so it\'s Delhi government and MCD.'),(23253,37,667070,671640,'Murari','So, they two run most of the government schools here.'),(23254,37,671700,672260,'Gayithri','MCD as in?'),(23255,37,673130,674949,'Murari','Municipal Corporation of Delhi.'),(23256,37,674949,675089,'Gayithri','Correct.'),(23257,37,675229,678209,'Gayithri','Correct, and you work in one of the...'),(23258,37,678980,682620,'Murari','I work in one of the Delhi government schools.'),(23259,37,682620,682670,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23260,37,682670,682676,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23261,37,682676,686330,'Murari','So, MCD basically runs the schools up to class five.'),(23262,37,686330,700169,'Murari','So, it\'s primary schools, which are run by the MCD, and upper primary, I mean, the elementary, secondary, and higher secondary schools are run by the Delhi government.'),(23263,37,700489,700669,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23264,37,700840,700930,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23265,37,701670,703350,'Gayithri','So, how long have you been teaching?'),(23266,37,703360,707500,'Murari','If I put it, total, it\'s been 12 years now.'),(23267,37,707980,708120,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23268,37,708530,712099,'Gayithri','That is including the two years of working in the private school?'),(23269,37,712410,712890,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23270,37,712890,713190,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23271,37,713490,713790,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23272,37,714059,714329,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23273,37,714610,715910,'Gayithri','We\'ll get to more details.'),(23274,37,715920,718619,'Gayithri','Yeah, but this is very fascinating.'),(23275,37,718619,719060,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23276,37,719060,726250,'Gayithri','So, how can you describe a typical day in your work life?'),(23277,37,728700,729889,'Gayithri','What does it look like?'),(23278,37,730590,742820,'Murari','Yeah, so I mean, it\'s a very mechanical kind of thing, which you can observe within the school that we go to this school.'),(23279,37,742820,750040,NULL,'It starts at 8:00 AM in the morning and the first 20 minutes is for the assembly.'),(23280,37,750050,768939,'Murari','So, we teachers used to carry a attendance register in our hand and we mark the attendance of the students during the assembly only up to 20 minutes, which often extends to 25 to 30 minutes on children get back to their classroom, and then we have our timetable.'),(23281,37,768960,771190,'Murari','So, there are total eight periods in a day.'),(23282,37,772049,784659,'Murari','Most often we used to have six periods and some time, if this is a festive season or marriages and all, so then there are some teachers not present in this school.'),(23283,37,784660,787835,'Murari','So, then we used to have seven to eight periods also.'),(23284,37,787880,808620,'Murari','So, like six periods from one class to other class, we keep moving with two periods break, and that break is basically for correction work and other official works, which we are assigned, and there\'s a lot of official work, which has nothing to do with direct teaching/learning.'),(23285,37,808920,810349,'Murari','So, that is also the government.'),(23286,37,810370,812460,'Murari','As I told you that the teachers are not professionals.'),(23287,37,812460,816880,'Murari','Teachers are employees, so they need to feed a lot of data to the system.'),(23288,37,817000,825090,'Murari','So, the bank account, the AADHAR number and so many other things they need to collect from the students as they-'),(23289,37,825100,825220,'Gayithri','General public.'),(23290,37,825270,827600,'Gayithri','It\'s almost like doing your election work, like doing election work.'),(23291,37,830810,832220,'Murari','Yeah, election work and all.'),(23292,37,832460,839339,'Murari','So, this is how it happens, and then at two clock, the school gets over.'),(23293,37,839339,839980,'Murari','Students go back to their home.'),(23294,37,840259,862470,'Murari','Another half an hour is stay back for all the teachers and they\'re required to sit together and discuss, but often they carry on their leftover works related to the correction of the notebooks and other evidence-collecting work that what they\'re doing that need to be kept in record.'),(23295,37,862480,866140,'Murari','So, basically, a lot of time goes on record maintenance.'),(23296,37,866320,871260,'Murari','So, this is how typically it looks like.'),(23297,37,871570,873000,'Murari','It\'s highly mechanical.'),(23298,37,873000,880140,'Murari','I mean, you really don\'t have time to sit it and reflect or engage in any kind of meaningful practices.'),(23299,37,881119,882689,'Murari','Even the classrooms are like...'),(23300,37,883280,893130,'Murari','I mean, the 30 to 40-minute period, you are speaking in the middle of something and then suddenly bell rings and you have to move to the next class.'),(23301,37,895090,897250,'Murari','So, this is how it typically looks like.'),(23302,37,897250,897665,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23303,37,898080,898390,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23304,37,898880,899120,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23305,37,899199,899920,'Gayithri','This is good.'),(23306,37,900279,910099,'Gayithri','So, I know you briefly touched upon the community with whom you work when you were talking about more broadly who are the students in your class.'),(23307,37,910550,917340,'Gayithri','But now I\'m wondering if we can just get into a little more of those details and maybe if you...'),(23308,37,918740,920490,'Murari','I\'m listening.'),(23309,37,920920,921360,'Murari','I\'m listening.'),(23310,37,921360,921450,'Murari','* [phone ringing]'),(23311,37,921510,921677,'Gayithri','Yeah, no problem.'),(23312,37,921677,921826,'Gayithri','No problem.'),(23313,37,921900,923180,'Gayithri','I\'m just waiting so that we can-'),(23314,37,923940,928451,'Murari','I can just [inaudible] . Give me a second.'),(23315,37,928451,929074,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23316,37,929074,929697,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23317,37,930320,930990,'Gayithri','I can pause.'),(23318,37,931020,931382,'Murari','Putting it on silent mode.'),(23319,37,931460,931730,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23320,37,936250,936650,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23321,37,938870,959180,'Gayithri','So, if you want to add anything with regard to the context that there\'s a little more, maybe if you want to talk about where the students are coming from, and maybe also let me know like if you can describe geographic location with whatever specificity is appropriate, like where is your school?'),(23322,37,959970,961770,'Gayithri','Where are the kids coming from?'),(23323,37,962470,964289,'Gayithri','Where are the teachers coming from Maybe?'),(23324,37,964300,968439,'Murari','Yeah, so I will speak to you.'),(23325,37,970039,975760,'Murari','Long back, I\'ll say in 2014, \'15, I did a research on this, and the topic...'),(23326,37,975760,982549,'Murari','It was a very small research and the and the topic is exploring and promoting pluralism in school.'),(23327,37,983249,990469,'Murari','So, there I captured the data of just one classroom, not a whole school that this kind of diversity is there.'),(23328,37,990469,994900,'Murari','This kind of caste, class, gender, religious background our childrens have.'),(23329,37,995650,997190,'Murari','This paper is available on my blog.'),(23330,37,997190,998470,'Murari','I\'ll share the link with you.'),(23331,37,999170,999886,'Gayithri','That would be amazing.'),(23332,37,999886,1000263,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23333,37,1000263,1002540,'Murari','At that time, I was doing a fellowship with RRC.'),(23334,37,1005110,1008130,'Murari','That is Regional Resource Center of Elementary Education.'),(23335,37,1008460,1009869,'Murari','In fact, Deborah has also worked.'),(23336,37,1010040,1012590,'Murari','In fact, she has worked on my paper in editing and all.'),(23337,37,1012910,1014560,'Gayithri','Ah, fantastic.'),(23338,37,1014560,1014670,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23339,37,1018559,1024199,'Murari','Well, so, like geographically, my school is located in...'),(23340,37,1024750,1026780,'Murari','It\'s a area called RK Puram.'),(23341,37,1026780,1032770,'Murari','So, basically, for the government employees residential place.'),(23342,37,1033129,1041599,'Murari','There\'s a government flat and it\'s a well-settled colony and there is a school in every sectors.'),(23343,37,1041969,1051000,'Murari','But unfortunately, none of the children were coming from the government employees’ home.'),(23344,37,1051430,1057030,'Murari','So, there are slums in between and there is a village nearby.'),(23345,37,1057299,1061759,'Murari','So, most of the children come from those slums and from that particular village, which is nearby.'),(23346,37,1062459,1063540,'Murari','It\'s a urban village.'),(23347,37,1063540,1086760,'Murari','It\'s not like a village of any bigger streets, and the children from the slums or from the village, they\'re basically or mostly from Rajasthan, Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand, and there are good number of students from Hyderabad also.'),(23348,37,1087350,1089870,'Murari','I mean, Andhra Pradesh, not Hyderabad.'),(23349,37,1090419,1090990,'Murari','Andhra Pradesh.'),(23350,37,1090990,1110860,'Murari','So, these are the geographical location we can map out, and yeah, I mean, there are children from all the religious groups like Hindus, Muslims, and Christians, but they\'re very less in number because of the particular location of this school.'),(23351,37,1112270,1114020,'Murari','It depends where the school is located.'),(23352,37,1114029,1122759,'Murari','So, in my school, some majority Hindu children are coming and very less number of Muslim and Christian students are over there.'),(23353,37,1123729,1128679,'Murari','I mean, it was difficult to find the caste data.'),(23354,37,1130759,1135380,'Murari','I don\'t remember exactly whether I captured in that research, which I have been telling you.'),(23355,37,1136470,1139380,'Murari','Even there it was difficult to ask, right?'),(23356,37,1139740,1149540,'Murari','But we used to have something in our register to mark which student comes to his community particularly in terms of scheduled caste and scheduled tribes.'),(23357,37,1149559,1156150,'Murari','They has to be identified because there are certain government facilities, which need to be extended to them.'),(23358,37,1157030,1158780,'Murari','Certain scholarships and other things are available.'),(23359,37,1159170,1162940,'Murari','So, based on that official data, I perhaps did that also.'),(23360,37,1162940,1170699,'Murari','So, approximately 20 to 25% of students are coming from scheduled caste and scheduled tribe background.'),(23361,37,1172990,1173340,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23362,37,1173760,1174060,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23363,37,1174860,1177889,'Gayithri','Anything specific?'),(23364,37,1177940,1187400,'Gayithri','Like I know you mentioned about the government buildings and then in between slums and then slums plus the village making most of your students in your school.'),(23365,37,1188820,1192190,'Gayithri','Anything about gender because we didn\'t touch upon that as much?'),(23366,37,1192580,1197439,'Murari','Yeah, so this is also a very interesting phenomena that...'),(23367,37,1199030,1204850,'Murari','The interesting thing is that it\'s not 50-50 that the 50% boys are there and 50% girl.'),(23368,37,1205130,1208949,'Murari','So, in most of our co-ed schools, the majority of girls are there.'),(23369,37,1210080,1224289,'Murari','I mean, the number of students are more girl students and the reason is that still majority of the parents are in the condition to send their boy child to a private school and a girl child to a government school.'),(23370,37,1224289,1228200,'Murari','So, for that reason, we have more number of girl child in government schools.'),(23371,37,1228960,1233390,'Murari','So, in a co-ed school even, the number of girl child are higher than the number of boy child.'),(23372,37,1234850,1238640,'Gayithri','Got it, and what kind of households are the girls coming from?'),(23373,37,1238770,1248530,'Gayithri','Are they still coming from the slum settlements in between and the villages or are there some from the families Of these?'),(23374,37,1248540,1248940,'Murari','No.'),(23375,37,1248940,1257840,'Murari','I mean, a very gradual change starts after 2015 since the new government came.'),(23376,37,1257840,1262550,'Murari','So, my school itself, it went through a complete transformation.'),(23377,37,1262550,1267600,'Murari','So, government has spent somewhere around 20 crore rupees to transform the infrastructure over there.'),(23378,37,1268410,1275259,'Murari','So, now, some of the government employees have started sending their girl child first to the school.'),(23379,37,1276410,1292135,'Murari','But now, the pandemic has started and this year we have been told that a lot of students from the middle class background are also coming to seek admission, and they have to stopped going to the private school for two reasons.'),(23380,37,1292320,1306200,'Murari','One, the pandemic has actually hit the salary and economic status of the families, and simultaneously on the other hand, the government school infrastructure and focus on learning all has went up.'),(23381,37,1306530,1309320,'Murari','So, that is perhaps changing, but it\'s not...'),(23382,37,1309320,1314699,'Murari','I won\'t say that it has changed 100%, but one can notice a significant change.'),(23383,37,1316020,1316680,'Gayithri','That\'s interesting.'),(23384,37,1316810,1317230,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23385,37,1318050,1328530,'Gayithri','So, I know you told you have worked for about 10 years in the government school where you are, and then two years before that in the private school, but now I\'m inviting you to think broadly.'),(23386,37,1328559,1350359,'Gayithri','Maybe if anything, any other teaching experiences that you have had once in a while or any summer programs, including all such things like more broadly speaking across your teaching experience, would you want to tell briefly what kinds of places have you worked then?'),(23387,37,1353210,1354699,'Murari','What kind of places?'),(23388,37,1354830,1355620,'Murari','I couldn\'t get.'),(23389,37,1355860,1356929,'Murari','I mean, are different-'),(23390,37,1356930,1358649,'Gayithri','It\'s mostly been here in Delhi.'),(23391,37,1358660,1363799,'Gayithri','It\'s mostly been here around RK Puram, where you are, is it?'),(23392,37,1364219,1364899,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23393,37,1364910,1365470,'Murari','I mean, yeah.'),(23394,37,1365470,1369619,'Murari','In terms of, yes, in RK Puram only.'),(23395,37,1369709,1373073,'Murari','Before that, in the beginning, I worked in a private school in the outskirts of Delhi.'),(23396,37,1373073,1373550,'Murari','It was a residential school.'),(23397,37,1375899,1376310,'Murari','So, there, I worked.'),(23398,37,1377510,1379850,'Murari','For last, around two, three years.'),(23399,37,1380460,1382820,'Murari','I am working as a mentor teacher.'),(23400,37,1382830,1385220,'Murari','So, I\'m not in direct classroom teaching now.'),(23401,37,1386699,1394189,'Murari','So, as a mentor teacher, I mean, that I have been assigned five schools, which is not the one where I am...'),(23402,37,1394959,1397050,'Murari','which is a parent school where I\'m posted.'),(23403,37,1397360,1412293,'Murari','So, I have been promoted as a mentor teacher and five schools have been assigned where my work used to work with the teachers to improve the classroom practices, to improve the pedagogy.'),(23404,37,1412293,1414890,'Murari','So, this is what I have been doing for the last two, three years.'),(23405,37,1415240,1418790,'Murari','So, for the last two, three years, I\'m basically working with teachers.'),(23406,37,1419080,1419580,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23407,37,1419719,1420110,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23408,37,1420110,1421530,'Gayithri','So, what kind of schools?'),(23409,37,1421530,1424350,'Gayithri','Where are these five other schools distributed?'),(23410,37,1424660,1426870,'Murari','All these five schools are in South Delhi.'),(23411,37,1426990,1435520,'Murari','Since I live in Gurgaon, so for me, I mean, these five schools are nearby to Gurgaon, but these are in Delhi only.'),(23412,37,1435520,1443313,'Murari','So, the places are like two of these schools are in Mahipalpur.'),(23413,37,1443313,1443529,'Murari','Two schools are in Rajokri.'),(23414,37,1443529,1444449,'Murari','These are the places.'),(23415,37,1445090,1446210,'Murari','One is in Mehram Nagar.'),(23416,37,1446210,1447680,'Murari','That is near airport.'),(23417,37,1447680,1453170,'Murari','So, out of five, four are single-sex schools.'),(23418,37,1453380,1456270,'Murari','I mean, either boy or girl, and only one is co-ed school.'),(23419,37,1456420,1456720,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23420,37,1456840,1457179,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23421,37,1457309,1459120,'Gayithri','Okay, like similar to your school.'),(23422,37,1459180,1459636,'Gayithri','It\'s a co-ed school.'),(23423,37,1459636,1459653,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23424,37,1459670,1460010,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23425,37,1460060,1460419,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23426,37,1461830,1462040,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23427,37,1463899,1463940,'Gayithri','Great.'),(23428,37,1464200,1472973,'Gayithri','That was a good think to know that you have actually been working as a mentor teacher, like mentoring teachers, and is that in addition to teaching or is it like your teaching has reduced?'),(23429,37,1472980,1473180,'Murari','No.'),(23430,37,1474290,1475729,'Murari','It\'s a very independent role.'),(23431,37,1475730,1477410,'Murari','It\'s not additional to teaching.'),(23432,37,1477720,1478170,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23433,37,1478220,1478550,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23434,37,1478980,1479260,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23435,37,1479340,1479649,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23436,37,1480250,1480830,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23437,37,1481060,1492240,'Gayithri','So, what kinds of populations have you worked across these five schools in your recent two three years of work?'),(23438,37,1492470,1501470,'Murari','As I told you that in terms of class, you won\'t find a difference whether you move from one school to other schools.'),(23439,37,1501480,1505380,'Murari','So, it\'s mainly children are coming from the slums.'),(23440,37,1505820,1513240,'Murari','Their parents are working in as a household maid or drivers or street vendors.'),(23441,37,1513250,1525580,'Murari','So, I mean, there are like now, when I have one mentee school, which is Rajokri, so it\'s a village.'),(23442,37,1525840,1530049,'Murari','So, a lot of girls are coming to these schools who...'),(23443,37,1530160,1532410,'Murari','They are from the village.'),(23444,37,1533030,1534090,'Murari','It\'s their native place.'),(23445,37,1534110,1535630,'Murari','I mean, they are not the migrant one.'),(23446,37,1536780,1543570,'Murari','So, again, their brothers are being sent to the private school, but those girls who are affluent also, they have their own house.'),(23447,37,1543570,1549220,'Murari','They have good money, but their parents are sending them to the government school.'),(23448,37,1550790,1570140,'Murari','So, in that term, we\'ll see as per the geographical location because that school is located in a village, urban village it is now, but still, children are coming from the affluent family, which was not the case in terms of my school at RK Puram.'),(23449,37,1570460,1577450,'Murari','Yeah, but again, not in a large number.'),(23450,37,1577620,1579830,'Murari','The number is still very limited.'),(23451,37,1579830,1585239,'Murari','It could not be more than 5%, I think, children coming from the affluent families.'),(23452,37,1585680,1586110,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23453,37,1586450,1592590,'Gayithri','How would you compare this with the two years of experience that you have had in the private school when you started off?'),(23454,37,1595270,1600260,'Murari','Well, I see it in two different ways.'),(23455,37,1600260,1603410,'Murari','The private schools were more controlled.'),(23456,37,1603690,1607270,'Murari','Micromanagement was over there.'),(23457,37,1607290,1607850,'Murari','So-'),(23458,37,1608629,1608889,'Gayithri','I\'m sorry.'),(23459,37,1609179,1610339,'Gayithri','Where was this private school?'),(23460,37,1611300,1613519,'Murari','It is in the outskirts of Delhi.'),(23461,37,1613550,1616100,'Murari','So, I mean, located in the state of Rajasthan.'),(23462,37,1617429,1624030,'Murari','I mean, very near to Alwar, and it\'s a part of a chain of a school.'),(23463,37,1624280,1626709,'Murari','It branches here in Delhi also where I work.'),(23464,37,1627579,1634120,'Murari','So, how I see that, the government schools is a bit a kind of...'),(23465,37,1634820,1648389,'Murari','I mean, loosely-controlled in comparison to the private schools where you have absolutely no say to do what you want to do, absolutely decided everything by the management.'),(23466,37,1649460,1652470,'Murari','Things were strictly managed and implemented.'),(23467,37,1653309,1659350,'Murari','In government sector, there were some flexibility in that there are some rights to the employees.'),(23468,37,1660120,1662120,'Murari','So, rather than using it for...'),(23469,37,1663550,1682630,'Murari','or rather for a better educational practices, generally teacher take it for granted and basically avoid innovating and engaging in the teaching/learning practices in more rigorous way, that I could experience.'),(23470,37,1682630,1697159,'Murari','I mean, the same opportunity which the other teacher had available, I availed for my more learning opportunities and research and all, but at the same time, there are a majority of people who are not very much interested in that.'),(23471,37,1698070,1702249,'Murari','But things are again started changing since 2015 as I told.'),(23472,37,1703080,1707000,'Murari','Now, here again, there are more control, which is also not very good.'),(23473,37,1707009,1722910,'Murari','There has to be a way in between and there should be a focus on, again the professional development of the teachers, not on control, but yeah, a big cultural shift is required not just in school.'),(23474,37,1722910,1737719,'Murari','I will say at large in government sector, there is a perception that if you have a job, you are secure and you need to seek more and more time for your leisure, or you need to work hard because the performance is not attached to...'),(23475,37,1738709,1740560,'Murari','Appraisal is not attached to performance.'),(23476,37,1741250,1742570,'Murari','So, a lot of challenges are there.'),(23477,37,1742570,1744819,'Murari','So, a lot of cultural shift is required.'),(23478,37,1745650,1748260,'Murari','Casually, I mean, things are changing here now.'),(23479,37,1749270,1749690,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23480,37,1749700,1760190,'Gayithri','Anything that you would want to comment on the kind of students who are coming into the private school compared to what we know about the students in the government schools?'),(23481,37,1760950,1772650,'Murari','See, a major change is in terms of the capital that the private school kids bring with them in terms of cultural and social capital, and this is what our kids lack.'),(23482,37,1773220,1778790,'Murari','So, most of the children who come to the private school, they already have learning skills.'),(23483,37,1778820,1794609,'Murari','They can read, write and speak, and they can speak even a second language that is English, but the major, major challenge which our kids are facing is that acquiring that skill of reading and writing.'),(23484,37,1794610,1806100,'Murari','So, four, five year, even they keep struggling when they are in seventh, eighth grade to express through writing and reading and forget about speaking.'),(23485,37,1806100,1807429,'Murari','That\'s a very difficult task.'),(23486,37,1807960,1837210,'Murari','So, that\'s something which they have advantage where they start from, what they bring from their own family, but at the same time, I also notice that the aspiration to achieve something is there in government school children because they have nothing to lose.'),(23487,37,1837340,1838750,'Murari','Everything to achieve only.'),(23488,37,1839390,1842650,'Murari','But again, I mean, why I\'m saying this?'),(23489,37,1842680,1847129,'Murari','It becomes very difficult for the private school kids to inspire that you will get a job.'),(23490,37,1847129,1847880,'Murari','You\'ll get a car.'),(23491,37,1847880,1851049,'Murari','They already have in most of the cases, right?'),(23492,37,1851770,1857920,'Murari','But for our kids, even if we tell them that you grow up, you will be able to buy your bicycle.'),(23493,37,1858140,1859540,'Murari','So, that inspires them.'),(23494,37,1859990,1873409,'Murari','Yeah, I mean, there is some value in education, but the kind of challenge is the severe condition they live in, extremely severe, it makes their education extremely challenging.'),(23495,37,1874589,1886199,'Murari','So, a very small percentage, I\'ll say hardly five to 10% of our students continue their higher education after class 12.'),(23496,37,1886589,1888509,'Murari','Very small percentage.'),(23497,37,1888529,1903039,'Murari','So, I mean, it becomes very, very challenging for them, and most of the school rules and regulations and norms are basically designed keeping in mind the middle class values, right?'),(23498,37,1903480,1905070,'Murari','That the parents are working.'),(23499,37,1905070,1906200,'Murari','They have everything.'),(23500,37,1906200,1910170,'Murari','Children get up at time, go to the bus and come to this school, get back.'),(23501,37,1911460,1913710,'Murari','Our students are in absolutely different condition.'),(23502,37,1914190,1929955,'Murari','There are students who actually cook food for their parents, who look after their siblings, who...if these are the boy students, they themselves go for work.'),(23503,37,1930300,1931760,'Murari','Sometimes they work late night.'),(23504,37,1931860,1935349,NULL,'It becomes extremely difficult for them to reach school at 8:00 AM in the morning.'),(23505,37,1936150,1941219,'Murari','So, I\'ll say that very difficult condition both are...'),(23506,37,1941940,1963940,'Murari','I mean, our kids are and for them, it\'s something very extra effort, challenge, and also the contempt, which they need to face on everyday basis, which often teachers mock them, and for several reasons that you are not coming to school on time.'),(23507,37,1963940,1967159,'Murari','Your clothes are not clean and so on and so forth.'),(23508,37,1968850,1969129,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23509,37,1971020,1972119,'Gayithri','Thanks a lot for sharing.'),(23510,37,1973089,1994139,'Gayithri','We\'ll hopefully come to some specifics sometime soon, but maybe we can first start talking about what has been really easy, like natural or intuitive aspects about working in your context or with your more recent work in the government schools?'),(23511,37,1996549,1997949,'Gayithri','What has been really easy?'),(23512,37,1998480,2010260,'Gayithri','For example, it could be about partnering with other teachers or partnering with your administrators or maybe even parents or other stakeholders in this situation,'),(23513,37,2010260,2024300,'Murari','Yeah, so like in recent years, for long, the government school teachers complained a lot across the state, still complaining that they want to teach, but they don\'t have resources.'),(23514,37,2024620,2031790,'Murari','So, most of the government schools lack resources, but in a specific context of Delhi, there is no resource problem here.'),(23515,37,2031799,2037720,'Murari','So, whatever you wish to bring to the classroom, the government is there to support it.'),(23516,37,2037730,2040640,'Murari','So, we have enormous fund available now.'),(23517,37,2040730,2042434,'Murari','So, you need projector, you get it.'),(23518,37,2042550,2043990,'Murari','You need a speaker, you get it.'),(23519,37,2044400,2049739,'Murari','You need colorful chalks and whiteboards and computer and internet, you get it.'),(23520,37,2050699,2053440,'Murari','So, now government has given a tablet to each teacher.'),(23521,37,2053459,2054810,'Murari','We have around 60,000 teachers.'),(23522,37,2054810,2056760,'Murari','So, all 60,000 teachers have the tablets.'),(23523,37,2056949,2059540,'Murari','It\'s not that during the pandemic.'),(23524,37,2059540,2061509,'Murari','Around two year back, it was given to all.'),(23525,37,2063360,2072339,'Murari','So, at terms of resource, it has become far easier, I mean, that now none of us can complain that we don\'t have resources.'),(23526,37,2072339,2075940,'Murari','So, that is something, much easier things to do.'),(23527,37,2079110,2090110,'Murari','We have a lot of program where, like, suppose I as a mentor teacher, reaching out to the teachers too that if they have any difficulties in teaching a particular topic, let me know.'),(23528,37,2090120,2093169,'Murari','If I\'m expert in that particular area, I\'ll work with her.'),(23529,37,2093489,2096069,'Murari','Otherwise, I will arrange somebody else to come and work.'),(23530,37,2096230,2107680,'Murari','So, a lot of networking and support, handholding, all such infrastructure have been developed, and these are at places.'),(23531,37,2108730,2113790,'Murari','Now, the major problem which I see which most of the teachers share.'),(23532,37,2114330,2117770,'Murari','That is again not new, but I don\'t know when will it change.'),(23533,37,2118870,2124460,'Murari','I mean, these children, the term I used, the notion of contempt.'),(23534,37,2125420,2128430,'Murari','Either these children are coming for availing the facilities.'),(23535,37,2128440,2129870,'Murari','They are not here to study.'),(23536,37,2130900,2133919,'Murari','So, majority of the teacher think like this.'),(23537,37,2134370,2138339,'Murari','So, I mean, how it will move?'),(23538,37,2138549,2140359,'Murari','How would they see it like that?'),(23539,37,2140379,2142930,'Murari','This is not something that they come for.'),(23540,37,2142940,2145280,'Murari','They are here to get educated.'),(23541,37,2145900,2153350,'Murari','This is not that they are here to just to get government facilities that I feel is something which holds them back.'),(23542,37,2153350,2168140,'Murari','Otherwise, in terms of support, whether it\'s financial support, whether it\'s technical support, all kind of supports are now available, and one can find it far easier.'),(23543,37,2168150,2171980,'Murari','Let me tell you one example for our English teachers.'),(23544,37,2172560,2173500,'Murari','We used to grow.'),(23545,37,2174820,2178080,'Murari','They, we have context with.'),(23546,37,2180320,2193350,'Murari','We have signed MOU with British Council, American Embassy, and we provide our teachers free of cost that there is one program in English.'),(23547,37,2193350,2194239,'Murari','I\'m forgetting some...'),(23548,37,2194559,2195700,'Murari','very expensive program.'),(23549,37,2195700,2197640,'Murari','It costs around 70,000 rupees.'),(23550,37,2198060,2200340,'Murari','For English teachers, it\'s in English language.'),(23551,37,2200610,2204600,'Murari','So, such programs we provide to our teachers if they want to learn.'),(23552,37,2205010,2214769,'Murari','From each school, we have sent around one to two teachers to Singapore for a training, and whenever.'),(23553,37,2214770,2221729,'Murari','If a group of teacher decide that we need to learn from a particular professor and from a particular university, we can arrange it.'),(23554,37,2222019,2222319,'Gayithri','Got It.'),(23555,37,2222319,2228339,'Murari','So, this kind of facilities we have been making and these are the ease that we have available now.'),(23556,37,2228509,2228869,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23557,37,2229080,2230279,'Gayithri','That\'s good to hear.'),(23558,37,2230389,2231440,'Gayithri','That\'s good to hear.'),(23559,37,2231549,2246350,'Gayithri','Now moving to things that are like especially tricky or challenging in your work, like the moment I start asking you about tricky or challenging, is there any one incident that pops up to you that highlights that?'),(23560,37,2250139,2257450,'Murari','Well, as I told in the very beginning that bureaucracy treats teacher as subordinate.'),(23561,37,2257560,2263579,'Murari','They don\'t identify teachers as professional or forget about as intellectuals.'),(23562,37,2264000,2281780,'Murari','So, that is something, which I feel is very limiting thing, which when an organization, your superior do not trust a lot, and they just expect that you just act upon.'),(23563,37,2281780,2282480,'Murari','You don\'t think.'),(23564,37,2283330,2284280,'Murari','So, that is something...'),(23565,37,2285570,2287430,'Murari','It\'s the nature of the bureaucracy basically.'),(23566,37,2288900,2298120,'Murari','Bureaucracy works in hierarchy and those who are on the last rung of that hierarchy, they have no value.'),(23567,37,2299770,2318279,'Gayithri','It\'s interesting because you pointed out at all these new interesting and exciting things that are being supported that you\'re being supported with, but at the same time, you still feel that bureaucracy is making it harder and is not treating teachers as professionals.'),(23568,37,2318920,2322370,'Murari','So, yeah, what I\'ve liked told you that all kind of support is there.'),(23569,37,2322370,2328210,'Murari','So, we have a government for whom education is a political agenda.'),(23570,37,2330179,2344100,'Murari','So, that government is pushing all these things, those funds, those trainings and everything, and it\'s a bureaucracy which has the responsibility to maintain the day-to-day working of these schools.'),(23571,37,2344660,2346570,'Murari','They are creating all these hurdles.'),(23572,37,2346590,2349160,'Murari','It\'s basically government versus bureaucracy here.'),(23573,37,2349650,2350129,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23574,37,2350630,2351400,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23575,37,2352040,2352590,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23576,37,2353080,2362089,'Gayithri','So, how have you dealt with these challenges, especially in handling bureaucracy and their expectations from teachers?'),(23577,37,2363730,2368650,'Murari','I mean, like I as a teacher, we don\'t have much choice over there.'),(23578,37,2370290,2374980,'Murari','So, whenever any such directions comes, we have to just submit.'),(23579,37,2375010,2377820,'Murari','Bureaucracy just expects you to submit yourself, right?'),(23580,37,2378950,2380205,'Murari','You don\'t just submit the data.'),(23581,37,2380380,2381720,'Murari','You also submit yourselves.'),(23582,37,2382470,2384700,'Murari','So, we have been doing that.'),(23583,37,2384700,2396560,'Murari','There\'s no much choice about it and that is something, which is very painful and which sometimes compel me to just leave this profession and come out of this.'),(23584,37,2396740,2398920,'Murari','Sometimes it\'s becomes so dehumanizing.'),(23585,37,2399680,2400549,'Gayithri','Very unfortunate.'),(23586,37,2401570,2404530,'Gayithri','I understand when you mean submission, it\'s one kind.'),(23587,37,2404550,2406500,'Gayithri','It could be in so many different ways.'),(23588,37,2406509,2416650,'Gayithri','Do you want to give one example of what that may feel like especially if it has pushed you towards thinking about even quitting this at some points?'),(23589,37,2417210,2417540,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23590,37,2417540,2423320,'Murari','I mean, see, particularly that got very much aggravated during this pandemic process.'),(23591,37,2424300,2438600,'Murari','So, teachers have been assigned random duties at COVID care centers, at testing centers, at quarantine centers, and even to go and issue chalan to the people who are not wearing the mask.'),(23592,37,2439160,2442529,'Murari','So, these all I see is so dehumanizing.'),(23593,37,2443030,2451370,'Murari','I mean, teachers are not trained for doing all these things and the people who are assigning social duties, they don\'t listen anything.'),(23594,37,2452090,2455710,'Murari','They\'re just randomly assigning it to anyone, forcing them to do.'),(23595,37,2455740,2472819,'Murari','So, working hours are 12 hours and so I mean even on the name of this disaster management that this is an extraordinary time, it means that you are not treating them as professionals.'),(23596,37,2473939,2476720,'Murari','This is the region that you assign them anything.'),(23597,37,2476790,2479490,'Murari','Whatever they wish, they assign it to the and do this.'),(23598,37,2479860,2481660,'Murari','Now go to every home, collect this data.'),(23599,37,2481690,2482279,'Murari','Now do this.'),(23600,37,2482279,2484550,'Murari','Now do that and it\'s not about Delhi.'),(23601,37,2484590,2489920,'Murari','I mean, from across the country, the news, the kind of work, which the teachers are assigned.'),(23602,37,2491160,2501439,'Murari','In fact, there\'s news from Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh that the teachers were asked to go to see that there is no cases of open defecation in the morning.'),(23603,37,2501439,2501566,'Murari','That kind of stupidity is there.'),(23604,37,2501570,2511190,'Murari','I mean, it just shows that how do they see the teachers that they can be asked to do anything?'),(23605,37,2511590,2515860,'Gayithri','Yeah, and this is including teaching online?'),(23606,37,2516950,2517450,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23607,37,2517460,2517840,'Murari','This is including this.'),(23608,37,2517920,2520060,'Gayithri','All of this is in addition to teaching online?'),(23609,37,2520180,2520669,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23610,37,2520670,2521010,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23611,37,2521060,2521390,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23612,37,2524569,2524589,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23613,37,2525450,2527490,'Gayithri','So, what has been-'),(23614,37,2527500,2533879,'Murari','Those who are on 12 hours of COVID duty, they are not teaching online.'),(23615,37,2533889,2536390,'Murari','They are free from teaching responsibility.'),(23616,37,2537150,2537690,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(23617,37,2537879,2540880,'Gayithri','Okay, but then there are some teachers who are doing both.'),(23618,37,2541480,2541850,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23619,37,2541850,2542080,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23620,37,2542110,2544700,'Murari','There are some teachers who are doing both.'),(23621,37,2545650,2551560,'Gayithri','Interesting, and also you were mentioning about this one other thing where you...'),(23622,37,2551620,2559790,'Gayithri','like some of the teachers think that the students are there to take the benefits that the government is providing, but not necessarily for education.'),(23623,37,2560200,2569960,'Gayithri','So, is there any particular way in which you have handled it and try to support those teachers in not thinking about it that way?'),(23624,37,2571710,2594780,'Murari','Well, I mean, as mentor teacher also and when I was in my own school also, so my work and the kind of disposition I used to have that itself reflects a lot that I challenge this notion of the teachers, but see what happens when you work in a particular culture.'),(23625,37,2594780,2596420,'Murari','It\'s a culture.'),(23626,37,2596850,2598340,'Murari','You find very helpless.'),(23627,37,2598820,2608009,'Murari','So, if there are, say, 90 teachers and there are 85 teachers believing like that, I\'ll say even 80 out of 90, 89 teachers believing like that.'),(23628,37,2609660,2610900,'Murari','You feel very helpless.'),(23629,37,2610900,2614060,'Murari','You feel outnumbered.'),(23630,37,2614980,2617060,'Murari','Minority view has no value.'),(23631,37,2619120,2627899,'Murari','Ridiculed that you are philosophizing the issue, but this is the real issue that they come for the benefits only.'),(23632,37,2627959,2629140,'Murari','It becomes challenging.'),(23633,37,2629530,2657090,'Murari','It\'s a dominant culture again to ridicule, to demonize the people who are coming from the underprivileged, and interestingly, again, I say that this is the phenomena that our culture played the role that even the teacher who have come from such underprivileged background, they are not able to comprehend it because since class-wise, they are now earning well.'),(23634,37,2657090,2664989,'Murari','So, they have moved up the rank, but they\'re not able to sympathize with those kids who are coming from...'),(23635,37,2665330,2669030,'Murari','and they also say the same thing that they are coming for the government benefits.'),(23636,37,2671590,2679200,'Murari','So, I won\'t be in the situation to claim that I made a bigger change and so and so.'),(23637,37,2679240,2682629,'Murari','I\'d rather feel, I mean, outnumbered and-'),(23638,37,2684289,2684689,'Gayithri','Silenced.'),(23639,37,2684689,2685679,'Murari','Ridiculed sometimes.'),(23640,37,2685760,2686270,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23641,37,2686270,2686380,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23642,37,2687570,2688630,'Murari','There\'s a difference.'),(23643,37,2689300,2691540,'Murari','That is something which I have been maintaining.'),(23644,37,2692400,2694330,'Murari','I have never been silenced so far.'),(23645,37,2695380,2696810,'Murari','I have been speaking.'),(23646,37,2697700,2702210,'Murari','Well, again, that I have to pay the price for it also that if I have been speaking.'),(23647,37,2702670,2712399,'Murari','Price in the sense every organization have certain politics or the politics means some people who do not speak will get some more benefits, right?'),(23648,37,2712929,2713299,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23649,37,2713809,2715339,'Gayithri','More opportunities maybe.'),(23650,37,2715349,2716389,'Murari','More opportunities.'),(23651,37,2716389,2716669,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23652,37,2716670,2716970,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23653,37,2716970,2717309,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23654,37,2717449,2717739,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23655,37,2718269,2718539,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23656,37,2720240,2722070,'Murari','But I\'ve not been silenced so far.'),(23657,37,2722500,2722770,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23658,37,2722890,2723259,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23659,37,2723280,2724100,'Gayithri','Thanks a lot for that.'),(23660,37,2725010,2727080,'Gayithri','So, what\'s been one of the...'),(23661,37,2727099,2737079,'Gayithri','If we were to go across all the amazing things that we discussed and some challenges that you have been having, what do you think has been the most important aspect of your work?'),(23662,37,2737110,2739250,'Gayithri','If you were to pick one, what would it be?'),(23663,37,2742250,2743910,'Murari','This is a very difficult question.'),(23664,37,2745290,2751029,'Gayithri','Maybe anything that you are looking towards, like anything that you think you\'re working towards constantly.'),(23665,37,2751530,2751850,'Murari','Okay.'),(23666,37,2751850,2752289,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23667,37,2752289,2752539,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23668,37,2752689,2755950,'Murari','So, well, I\'ll say that...'),(23669,37,2758600,2769779,'Murari','I have been identifying talking about it, talking to teachers about again that professional identity and the exercise of agency and how important it is for the teachers.'),(23670,37,2770690,2787960,'Murari','So, I feel that in my career as a teacher, I could identify this both what the profession means and how one can exercise the agency and how it brings a change, and one of my mission is to take it to more and more people.'),(23671,37,2787990,2793490,'Murari','So, when I talk about this profession and agency, I see more and more teacher gets convinced about it.'),(23672,37,2794240,2801179,'Murari','So, that is one thing, and when I talk profession and agency, I always talk about it is extremely important to keep learning.'),(23673,37,2801469,2804000,'Murari','So, once you are a teacher, it doesn\'t mean that you know everything.'),(23674,37,2804000,2816300,'Murari','So, keep upskilling yourself and keep adding degrees, learning, interacting with the people, engaging in good conversations, attending workshops and seminars.'),(23675,37,2816680,2826520,'Murari','So, that is something which I feel I have been doing and I\'m very fascinated about it, and one thing which my research is that is a little...'),(23676,37,2826840,2837449,'Murari','I mean, it\'s related to again school only, where I am using children\'s lived experiences as a valid content for teaching social science.'),(23677,37,2837480,2838240,'Murari','That is my...'),(23678,37,2838520,2840080,'Murari','I mean, PhD research area.'),(23679,37,2841130,2847650,'Murari','So, their lived experiences, they write about it and that I use as a content in the social science teaching.'),(23680,37,2847910,2865630,'Murari','So, that I also feel it has a great value where I value the opinion, the notions, the lived experiences of our students as very valued content in our classroom and that immediately makes them important agent that what they think, what they write has also some value.'),(23681,37,2866080,2868470,'Gayithri','Yeah, that\'s amazing.'),(23682,37,2869260,2877969,'Gayithri','Yeah, so you\'re trying to value students and teachers in this space and that is what you think you\'re working towards.'),(23683,37,2877969,2878199,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(23684,37,2878250,2878640,'Murari','Right.'),(23685,37,2878859,2878960,'Murari','Right.'),(23686,37,2880020,2884520,'Gayithri','So, are there any one or two aspects of your work that you would like to change?'),(23687,37,2884550,2885820,'Gayithri','I know you mentioned a few.'),(23688,37,2885860,2889090,'Gayithri','Maybe if you\'d want to quickly point them out once again for us.'),(23689,37,2890889,2891769,'Murari','I mean, yeah.'),(23690,37,2892920,2893290,'Murari','Okay.'),(23691,37,2893330,2895320,'Murari','I mean, the work condition you\'re talking about?'),(23692,37,2895610,2908990,'Gayithri','Oh, in general, more broadly like your work, that whatever you do with your students, whatever you do with the teachers that you work with, any one or two aspects that you are looking to change.'),(23693,37,2909110,2909550,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23694,37,2909559,2911160,'Murari','I feel that...'),(23695,37,2911710,2918270,'Murari','I mean, the people in the field of teaching should come from a more diverse background.'),(23696,37,2918270,2926500,'Murari','It would be seen as one of the most aspirational profession, not as a last resort, which most of the teachers are joining.'),(23697,37,2926500,2941500,'Murari','So, that I really feel needs to change, and if I get an opportunity sometime, though I have to think that how it is possible, but I would like to de-bureaucratize it.'),(23698,37,2941520,2944600,'Murari','I mean, you have the example of American schools.'),(23699,37,2946240,2952180,'Murari','It may have its own limitation, but in terms of bureaucracy, it has a very short chain of bureau bureaucracy.'),(23700,37,2952960,2966090,'Murari','So, district committee, generally a county has a SMC committee that appoints a educational superintendent and that educational superintendent then deal with the school principals.'),(23701,37,2966099,2974630,'Murari','So, that\'s very short bureaucracy, but here, this chain is of around 18 to 20 officials, between these teacher and top officers.'),(23702,37,2976610,2981340,'Gayithri','Okay, and how do you see that coming in the way of your work?'),(23703,37,2983679,2998000,'Murari','I mean, see, so a decision which is taken at the top when it comes to the teacher, it gets diluted a lot, and if you as a teacher want to tell something, most often it never reaches to the top.'),(23704,37,2998490,3010690,'Murari','So, that\'s a big hurdle I\'ll say, and most of the decisions are taken by the bureaucracy and the people who are in the bureaucracy, they have nothing to do with education.'),(23705,37,3011180,3013000,'Murari','Today, they are heading the education department.'),(23706,37,3013000,3015259,'Murari','Tomorrow, they will head the industry department, right?'),(23707,37,3017000,3020149,'Murari','But they are the one who are making the decision who has no expertise.'),(23708,37,3020540,3023350,'Gayithri','Yeah, sure.'),(23709,37,3023350,3023740,'Gayithri','Thanks.'),(23710,37,3024299,3032770,'Gayithri','So, now, let\'s zoom out and look more broadly because I think you will really enjoy maybe reflecting a little on this.'),(23711,37,3033970,3040439,'Gayithri','So, you moved from the private to public and you also even chose teaching in the first place.'),(23712,37,3040459,3047100,'Gayithri','As you said, it sounds like you didn\'t choose this as a last option like, \"Oh, I didn\'t have anything else to do.'),(23713,37,3047130,3050000,'Gayithri','Therefore, I did this,\" but then you chose it very intentionally.'),(23714,37,3050040,3051796,'Murari','Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no.'),(23715,37,3051796,3051904,'Gayithri','No?'),(23716,37,3051904,3052769,'Murari','I didn\'t chose it.'),(23717,37,3052940,3053190,'Murari','No.'),(23718,37,3053190,3053575,'Murari','No.'),(23719,37,3053960,3060159,'Gayithri','Okay, so I would then love to know, like what motivated you to do this work that you\'re doing today?'),(23720,37,3060499,3071059,'Murari','Oh, well, I\'ll say that it\'s the people who I came across, some of the mentors, some of the professors whom I met.'),(23721,37,3071849,3083280,'Murari','In fact, they changed or helped me change my world view, my disposition, and in fact put me a position where I love this profession, but yeah, I didn\'t came out of choice.'),(23722,37,3083750,3086530,'Gayithri','Interesting, so would you want to tell us a little more about that?'),(23723,37,3086530,3098140,'Murari','Yeah, so I mean, like any other North Indian, boy particularly, and a bright one, I was also preparing for civil services exams.'),(23724,37,3098150,3103670,'Murari','So, it\'s a kind of cultural inspiration, which all the people from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar-'),(23725,37,3104410,3104600,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23726,37,3104890,3111879,'... Murari','goes through and they spend some four, five years of their life to get that Lall Batti, the symbol of power.'),(23727,37,3113359,3118880,'... Murari','So, I was also doing that only, but again, after a couple of attempt, I failed.'),(23728,37,3119140,3125229,'... Murari','So, then I was supposed to have some security and job as most of the people do as a last resort.'),(23729,37,3125230,3135140,'... Murari','So, I went for the B.Ed and in the B.Ed, I met a very interesting professor, Professor Farah Farooqi, and she actually inspired me a lot.'),(23730,37,3135250,3138870,'... Murari','So, she met me in 2007, and this is 2020.'),(23731,37,3139540,3149410,'... Murari','So, for last 13 years, she has been my mentor, and she in fact has been guiding me, and now she\'s my PhD supervisor also.'),(23732,37,3149600,3150589,'Gayithri','Oh fantastic.'),(23733,37,3151259,3153700,'Murari','So, yeah, so it\'s her.'),(23734,37,3153700,3172050,'Murari','I\'ll say that it\'s she who actually brought a significant change in my world view and in my passion for teaching and learning, and yeah, there\'s a lot of change I could see in my thinking and in my interest in for this profession after my degree from Tata Institute of Social Sciences where I met Deborah also.'),(23735,37,3172050,3173370,'Murari','She was my batch mate over there.'),(23736,37,3174340,3175030,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23737,37,3175050,3175530,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23738,37,3175730,3177389,'Gayithri','So, you talked about Dr.'),(23739,37,3177449,3187000,'Gayithri','Farah Farooqi leading you up and you met her in your B.Ed program, assuming she was teaching while you were there as a student.'),(23740,37,3188500,3206010,'Gayithri','So, would you want to elaborate a little more on how was that helping you push forward and think more closely about teaching and how did that influence your decision to take this up?'),(23741,37,3207700,3208060,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23742,37,3208060,3209820,'Murari','I mean, lot of things were there.'),(23743,37,3209820,3224130,'Murari','So, suppose, in our schools also we have a very, as I told earlier also, we have very ritualized environment, mechanized environment where there are rituals within the schools and also like even in the B.Ed.'),(23744,37,3224160,3225960,'Murari','when we used to write the assignments.'),(23745,37,3225960,3233119,'Murari','So, students used to write the assignments in 20 pages, in 25 pages, in 30 pages.'),(23746,37,3233200,3249364,'Murari','So, what they used to do that they copy from different sources, put it together and submit it to the teacher, and I was the one who wrote an assignment in, say, four pages, five pages, but what the difference was that it used to be very original.'),(23747,37,3249679,3255290,'Murari','I mean, it was based on my own original thinking, my own empirical experiences.'),(23748,37,3256029,3266130,'Murari','That she identified that this is something very different, which I have been doing and she used to give me more, better grades than the one who wrote in 30 pages and 40 pages.'),(23749,37,3267050,3297930,'Murari','So, some sort of connect developed between the two where I started enjoying independent thinking and expressing and she started valuing it, and I gradually realized that it has a very unique value in the teaching and learning, that original thinking, and the opportunities to express rather than engaging a lot in the rituals and all, you know, that you need to do this, you need to do that because it\'s a part of the rituals.'),(23750,37,3297940,3301560,'Murari','So, I have been breaking a lot of rituals in my classrooms, in my school also.'),(23751,37,3302940,3303600,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23752,37,3303929,3304459,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23753,37,3304460,3305140,'Gayithri','Yeah, sure.'),(23754,37,3305389,3306989,'Gayithri','Very, very fascinating.'),(23755,37,3307120,3310890,'Murari','And then, I mean, she kept suggesting a lot of readings.'),(23756,37,3310900,3312950,'Murari','So, those readings also helped a lot.'),(23757,37,3314029,3316980,'Murari','So, I have been reading regularly since then.'),(23758,37,3317470,3323119,'Murari','So, a lot of educational literature I\'ve read, which really influenced me a lot.'),(23759,37,3323889,3325766,'Gayithri','Would you want to name one or two?'),(23760,37,3325910,3327090,'Murari','Yeah, definitely.'),(23761,37,3327469,3337589,'Murari','The most influenced I am is from Paulo Freire\'s work, that is Pedagogy of the Oppressed, about precision in thinking.'),(23762,37,3337620,3340620,'Murari','I really wonder how can somebody write like this?'),(23763,37,3340630,3346839,'Murari','So, John Dewey\'s work of democracy and school and how we think.'),(23764,37,3346849,3350009,'Murari','Michael Apple\'s work, Democratic Schools.'),(23765,37,3350529,3358194,'Murari','So, these are some of the writers and literature, when I was at TISS, so we...'),(23766,37,3358194,3363420,'Murari','There, I got a lot of other readings also and professors I met over there.'),(23767,37,3363759,3367169,'Murari','Professor Padma Sarangapani was one of the most inspirational professor.'),(23768,37,3367170,3371350,'Murari','So, I mean, meeting people and reading some of the books.'),(23769,37,3372040,3376800,'Murari','So, that actually brought a significant change that I see.'),(23770,37,3376800,3377440,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(23771,37,3377440,3378040,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(23772,37,3378320,3386809,'Gayithri','Maybe one question that I\'m very curious and I don\'t know, well, if you would even want to take it up is in your...'),(23773,37,3387280,3398890,'Gayithri','You did your B.Ed., and you chose to work in the private school for a couple years and then you switched to the government school, and then that\'s where you have been for the next 10 years.'),(23774,37,3399190,3403910,'Gayithri','So, would you want to comment on how you chose to make that shift?'),(23775,37,3409480,3415770,'Murari','The answer is hidden again in the culture that people here aspire for the government job because it brings security.'),(23776,37,3416500,3417710,'Murari','It brings regular pay.'),(23777,37,3418250,3424710,'Murari','It brings after-job retirement benefits, which are not available in the private sector.'),(23778,37,3425030,3427670,'Murari','So, it was a cultural...'),(23779,37,3427710,3430279,'Murari','I mean, a cultural facility to shift easily.'),(23780,37,3430300,3431530,'Murari','So, that shifted easily.'),(23781,37,3433880,3433990,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(23782,37,3434340,3435259,'Gayithri','That\'s fantastic.'),(23783,37,3435309,3439880,'Gayithri','Fantastic, and I know you mentioned a whole bunch of people who have inspired your work.'),(23784,37,3442100,3448190,'Gayithri','If you want to add any more folks to that list, feel free to at this point.'),(23785,37,3450200,3450400,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23786,37,3450460,3455250,'Murari','I mean, you want the writers which have been reading or the people?'),(23787,37,3455600,3455890,'Gayithri','Both.'),(23788,37,3456250,3456710,'Gayithri','Both.'),(23789,37,3457560,3457870,'Murari','Okay.'),(23790,37,3458450,3460299,'Murari','So, people are definitely...'),(23791,37,3460299,3471879,'Murari','I mean, always the access of my inspiration has been Professor Farah Farooqi, but later a few more people, at least only like Professor Nandini Manjrekar, Professor Disha Navani.'),(23792,37,3471890,3475890,'Murari','They all inspired me a lot and have been inspiring.'),(23793,37,3475890,3479490,'Murari','It\'s not that I met them at during the course and the lessons is over.'),(23794,37,3480040,3484100,'Murari','We keep coming across in different seminars and workshops.'),(23795,37,3484550,3485900,'Murari','I keep writing.'),(23796,37,3485910,3486990,'Murari','They keep appreciating.'),(23797,37,3487000,3491900,'Murari','They write, I read and so we now have a good rapport.'),(23798,37,3492210,3504850,'Murari','I\'m the part of that academic culture and to the extent now, for last around two, three years, we have in India an organization called CESI, Comparative Education Society of India.'),(23799,37,3504900,3510149,'Murari','So, it conducts annual seminar in education.'),(23800,37,3510150,3512099,'Murari','So, research papers have been presented.'),(23801,37,3512099,3519000,'Murari','So, now for last two years, I am the part of that organizing committee, executive committee member of CESI.'),(23802,37,3519220,3528919,'Murari','So there again I came in the group of a bunch of university professors from JNU, Professor Nivas, Professor Arvind and so many people.'),(23803,37,3529190,3532779,'Murari','So, I mean, just yeah, how am I missing?'),(23804,37,3532780,3533220,'Murari','I don\'t know.'),(23805,37,3533230,3536250,'Murari','Then 2013, \'14 only, while I was doing my...'),(23806,37,3537770,3543423,'Murari','I mean, fellowship as a teacher fellow at RRC where Deborah has also worked.'),(23807,37,3543423,3549010,'Murari','So, I met Professor Poonam Batra and she has been one of the phenomenal professor.'),(23808,37,3549010,3555359,'Murari','Her write-ups, her articles and her speeches are so amazing.'),(23809,37,3555980,3558740,'Murari','I mean, it seems like you just get lost in that.'),(23810,37,3559760,3568500,'Murari','So, these all have worked in shaping my life and couple of more writers, which I identify who played very important roles.'),(23811,37,3568510,3573869,'Murari','So, I have been reading Will Durant, one of the American thinker and writers.'),(23812,37,3573870,3578060,'Murari','So, one of his book is very interesting, Story of philosophy.'),(23813,37,3578060,3583249,'Murari','So, that is one of my very favorite one, and I have also been reading...'),(23814,37,3583390,3585520,'Murari','My research work is very much...'),(23815,37,3587330,3590910,'Murari','I\'ll say I got inspired from the work of Professor Mary Roth.'),(23816,37,3590910,3591569,'Murari','She\'s from Netherland.'),(23817,37,3592409,3594523,'Murari','So, she worked on a similar thing which I have been working.'),(23818,37,3594523,3594535,'Murari','She worked with the primary grade kids.'),(23819,37,3594535,3607360,'Murari','I am working with elementary grade kids, that how to use children lived experiences in a daily classroom transaction.'),(23820,37,3608340,3608500,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23821,37,3608700,3612249,'Murari','So, I have been reading Professor Mary Roche also.'),(23822,37,3612429,3631620,'Murari','So, that is something and now later becoming the part of that Fulbright community, it has brought me to all together a new niche where I have friends from across the world and different part of the countries.'),(23823,37,3632380,3644120,'Murari','So, yeah, it has been a very, what I\'ll say, very phenomenal journey in fact, which keeps inspiring me to work further, harder.'),(23824,37,3645110,3645520,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23825,37,3645889,3646139,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23826,37,3648080,3650630,'Gayithri','Yeah, so this has been fantastic.'),(23827,37,3650639,3661540,'Gayithri','You spoke about like how you made this transition and all the key people that have helped you and motivated you and have kept you in this field.'),(23828,37,3661600,3667030,'Gayithri','Maybe one question that I have is because we touched upon this earlier on during the interview.'),(23829,37,3668020,3670670,'Gayithri','How have you thought about your work?'),(23830,37,3670699,3698310,'Gayithri','That is your teaching, your supporting teachers, and maybe even like your research as a doctoral student, but then connecting back to your practice as a teacher, how do you think your work is addressing or how do you think it is connected to some of the social issues that we just discussed either with India more broadly or the students community that you\'re working with?'),(23831,37,3699070,3699540,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23832,37,3700240,3704649,'Gayithri','And also Murari, is it if we take another 15, 20 minutes and wrap it up?'),(23833,37,3705080,3706759,'Murari','Yeah, yeah, yeah.'),(23834,37,3706759,3706765,'Murari','It\'s okay.'),(23835,37,3706765,3706770,'Gayithri','Awesome.'),(23836,37,3706770,3707230,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23837,37,3707410,3707729,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23838,37,3707920,3708160,'Gayithri','Yes.'),(23839,37,3711450,3743080,'Murari','I mean, my work and all my write-ups or what I speak, in last couple of years, I have been trying to synchronize my work, my thinking to the constitutional values and promote all those constitutional values of secularism, equality, justice, and I mean, this is what determines my thinking.'),(23840,37,3743359,3746980,'Murari','Basically, that\'s the base of how I should look at the things.'),(23841,37,3746990,3754319,'Murari','So, it\'s the constitutional values which actually gives me a platform to think that what is right and what is not.'),(23842,37,3755179,3777789,'Murari','So, I have been making advocacy for all these things of greater gender equality, of addressing, which is very subtle and very challenging, the caste-based resource in the schools, which is very, very subtle and even the class-based issues as I mentioned.'),(23843,37,3777789,3784736,'Murari','But very recently, I wrote a book, and not wrote, sorry.'),(23844,37,3784980,3791500,'Murari','I read a book of Professor Krishna Kumar that\'s in Hindi, Chudi Bazaar me Ladki.'),(23845,37,3792460,3806160,'Murari','So, I was a little bit aware, but after reading that book, I have become a very skeptical and have started looking at agency in a very different way.'),(23846,37,3806550,3818360,'Murari','The kind of power that culture plays in shaping the disposition and overall environment where individuals’ agency has very limited role in fact.'),(23847,37,3818370,3846329,'Murari','I mean, this is how I have started and particularly education and now when I look of last 75 years of education in independent India, I may be very negative in that sense, but it hasn\'t brought even 1% change in terms of the caste-based hierarchy and discrimination, in terms of the gender hierarchy and discrimination.'),(23848,37,3846329,3849819,'Murari','It\'s there and in terms of the religious polarization, it\'s even rising.'),(23849,37,3851090,3853879,'Murari','So, it has absolutely failed in that term.'),(23850,37,3854290,3860410,'Murari','It\'s just establishing or reproducing the society that the social reproduction theory, it is really...'),(23851,37,3860410,3867870,'Murari','I mean, if one has to find that where the education system is perfectly working in harmony with the social reproduction theory, so, it\'s India.'),(23852,37,3869310,3870599,'Murari','Almost, there is no mobility.'),(23853,37,3871450,3880100,'Murari','I mean, things have changed, like women have come from the villages to the urban areas, but the structure of exploitation haven\'t changed.'),(23854,37,3880100,3880730,'Murari','It\'s there.'),(23855,37,3881310,3884800,'Murari','It\'s just place has changed.'),(23856,37,3884990,3886919,'Murari','So, yeah, I\'m still hopeful.'),(23857,37,3886920,3913330,'Murari','I\'m working, but sometime I feel that it\'s something very limited, which I can do about this, but the only thing is that more and more people understand it that how culture plays a role, how the language that we use, how the word that we choose, that plays extremely important role in shaping our thinking about all these issues of caste, class, gender.'),(23858,37,3913430,3919940,'Murari','So, it\'s a very large and the first thing which I feel is that to even understand and acknowledge.'),(23859,37,3920480,3925150,'Murari','Otherwise, having educated, getting a bachelor\'s or master\'s degree, people think everything has changed.'),(23860,37,3925490,3926230,'Murari','There\'s no discrimination.'),(23861,37,3926230,3929450,'Murari','This is how educated people think and talk like.'),(23862,37,3930740,3938170,'Gayithri','Yeah, and so you are thinking that it\'s a constant thing that you\'re working towards as you are working?'),(23863,37,3939049,3939509,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23864,37,3939570,3940040,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23865,37,3941150,3941490,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23866,37,3942090,3942359,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(23867,37,3942359,3953940,'Murari','I\'ll say that rather it\'s a shock for me, this revelation that education is not powerful enough to bring that change.'),(23868,37,3953940,3961010,'Murari','There\'s a lot of other things need to be evoked, other political interventions and activism.'),(23869,37,3961050,3964210,'Murari','I mean, those have perhaps a greater role than education.'),(23870,37,3965040,3969130,'Gayithri','Is what you\'re thinking after reading Krishna Kumar\'s book.'),(23871,37,3969920,3970570,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23872,37,3972030,3972760,'Gayithri','Yeah, Sure.'),(23873,37,3972840,3979790,'Gayithri','I think I know what you\'re talking about, so I sympathize with you.'),(23874,37,3983730,3987259,'Gayithri','So, now we\'re going to ask closing thoughts.'),(23875,37,3987870,4005400,'Gayithri','I know you spoke about this book that I\'ve been reading, but then is there any ongoing work in India especially that you\'re excited about that you think has a way to address some of the challenges that we just discussed?'),(23876,37,4007330,4014769,'Murari','Well, in India, about the ongoing work, I\'m not...'),(23877,37,4014789,4017130,'Murari','Again, I\'m sorry that I\'m not excited about.'),(23878,37,4017140,4017690,'Murari','Rather-'),(23879,37,4017850,4018580,'Gayithri','No, that\'s fine.'),(23880,37,4019020,4020560,'Gayithri','You can point out whatever you\'re seeing.'),(23881,37,4020790,4039850,'Murari','Rather we are moving towards a more medieval or primitive society with clearcut religious polarization, with established caste hierarchy, with fixed gender-based roles.'),(23882,37,4040420,4060339,'Murari','So, I mean, I see that we are moving towards that direction in a very great speed, and yeah, I mean, because the way political dispensations are driving those phenomena, it\'s unbelievable.'),(23883,37,4062799,4063570,'Murari','It\'s unbelievable.'),(23884,37,4063570,4064629,'Murari','It\'s very threatening.'),(23885,37,4067940,4073470,'Gayithri','So, what kind of work do you want to see if you were given a choice to...'),(23886,37,4073610,4079820,'Gayithri','like if you could actually dream, imagine, okay, this is the kind of work that I want to see moving forward.'),(23887,37,4080490,4087240,'Gayithri','What would that be putting aside what is not going on or what\'s not working fine on the ground?'),(23888,37,4088280,4088550,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23889,37,4088550,4092650,'Murari','I mean, again, there are some hopes.'),(23890,37,4092650,4103839,'Murari','In Delhi, particularly, we have a government, which has put education on its highest agenda, spending 25% of its budget.'),(23891,37,4103840,4116689,'Murari','So, I mean, still with all its limitation, it\'s education which has brought some mobility in the life of the underprivileged people.'),(23892,37,4118080,4145590,'Murari','So, if I see any big change in coming years or what even I would like to work is to promote this politics of public education, that government should and must spend more, and more quality public institutions would come up so that people from disadvantaged sections should have greater access to quality education through public institution.'),(23893,37,4146290,4158310,'Murari','So, that at least in Delhi, I\'m very happy and hopeful about it that it\'s happening that it\'s on the top priority, but again, I mean, I sometimes think that it\'s like...'),(23894,37,4159060,4160590,'Murari','Do you know the idea of flood?'),(23895,37,4161520,4162260,'Gayithri','No, I don\'t.'),(23896,37,4162880,4163290,'Murari','Flood.'),(23897,37,4163290,4163689,'Murari','Flood.'),(23898,37,4163700,4163990,'Murari','Flood.'),(23899,37,4164040,4164359,'Gayithri','Oh flood.'),(23900,37,4165800,4168519,'Gayithri','Yeah, of course.'),(23901,37,4168519,4168540,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23902,37,4168620,4179280,'Murari','So, I mean, if out of 29 states, if one or two states are promoting it and 27 states are against, media is against it.'),(23903,37,4180090,4180750,'Murari','Corporates are against it.'),(23904,37,4181560,4183200,'Murari','It can\'t last longer.'),(23905,37,4183380,4187340,'Murari','Ultimately, it would be maligned, that it has no value.'),(23906,37,4187380,4189109,'Murari','The research would be written in that way.'),(23907,37,4189990,4214020,'Murari','So, a little skeptical about this also, but hopeful that somehow if we could go for the politics of change through greater public education, spending on that, and creating more public institutions for people from all different sections could have access.'),(23908,37,4214030,4218750,'Gayithri','Murari, would you want to just expand on the flood that you mentioned?'),(23909,37,4218750,4219350,'Gayithri','Because I think-'),(23910,37,4220610,4222240,'Murari','I was giving the example that it\'s...'),(23911,37,4222240,4227520,'Murari','Imagine Delhi public education as a tree standing tall in a flooded plain.'),(23912,37,4227520,4227950,'Murari','Everywhere there\'s a flood.'),(23913,37,4231360,4232790,'Gayithri','Yeah, I got it now.'),(23914,37,4233790,4234760,'Gayithri','It was a metaphorical thing that you chose.'),(23915,37,4234790,4235180,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23916,37,4235340,4235770,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23917,37,4236010,4236330,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23918,37,4236420,4236926,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23919,37,4236926,4237460,'Gayithri','Got it.'),(23920,37,4237460,4245340,'Murari','So, gradually that flood, if it doesn\'t deplete, it will erode the soil from the root of the tree and the ultimately the tree will fell down.'),(23921,37,4245670,4253210,'Gayithri','You feel like that maybe Delhi and maybe one or two other exceptional states are doing something.'),(23922,37,4253290,4254880,'Murari','Kerala is another state.'),(23923,37,4255550,4259530,'Murari','I mean, this year only in the March, I got the opportunity to go there.'),(23924,37,4259530,4263160,'Murari','It\'s has a phenomenal public school system.'),(23925,37,4265100,4266220,'Murari','Which state are you from?'),(23926,37,4266780,4267420,'Gayithri','Karnataka.'),(23927,37,4267870,4268660,'Gayithri','Right above Kerala.'),(23928,37,4269820,4270179,'Murari','Okay.'),(23929,37,4270860,4271450,'Murari','Yeah.'),(23930,37,4271590,4274230,'Murari','So, amazing public school system there.'),(23931,37,4274410,4274920,'Murari','Amazing.'),(23932,37,4275370,4275590,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(23933,37,4275719,4277549,'Gayithri','The healthcare is also fantastic like-'),(23934,37,4277599,4278129,'Murari','Absolutely.'),(23935,37,4278570,4289680,'Gayithri','You\'d be surprised, like I don\'t know in Delhi what it is, but in Bangalore or in Karnataka, like government hospitals are not your first go-to choice, but in Kerala, it\'s actually the opposite.'),(23936,37,4291400,4292059,'Gayithri','So, yeah.'),(23937,37,4292639,4302440,'Murari','Here, also, in Delhi also, it\'s not first choice of people, but a very innovative idea the government has come up with, that is the Mohalla Clinic.'),(23938,37,4302440,4311840,'Murari','So, now in every settlement with 50,000 or more population, there used to be a Mohalla Clinic.'),(23939,37,4311850,4318316,'Murari','So, for some day-to-day medical consultation, people go and get some medicines, which are freely available.'),(23940,37,4318559,4322410,'Murari','So, that is something very interesting happening here.'),(23941,37,4322410,4322559,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(23942,37,4322559,4323059,'Gayithri','Nice.'),(23943,37,4323559,4324120,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(23944,37,4325160,4338080,'Gayithri','So, is there anything else that you think we didn\'t have a chance to talk about, your work or the broader educational context that you think you want to add?'),(23945,37,4338429,4340040,'Murari','I don\'t know.'),(23946,37,4340270,4345059,'Murari','In fact, both of us are interested in this field, so we can talk for hours and hours.'),(23947,37,4345059,4345379,'Gayithri','That\'s true.'),(23948,37,4345540,4346070,'Gayithri','That\'s true.'),(23949,37,4348650,4371000,'Murari','Yeah, I mean, let\'s move, and I will ask Deborah also and you also that keep posting me what\'s happening and I like to know about more about it, read more about it, and wherever you feel that I can contribute more, I\'ll contribute more.'),(23950,12,0,64866,'Radha','And I was trained as an environmental scientist, formally as in my PhD is in Environmental Science and Engineering from IIT Bombay.'),(23951,12,65376,76156,'Radha','But the way I really see sort of where I am today, I think I call myself an educator.'),(23952,12,76386,82126,'Radha','That\'s probably the best description of where I am today.'),(23953,12,82676,88316,'Radha','And really just briefly on trajectory.'),(23954,12,88636,94986,'Radha','I came into teaching and education as an educator much later in my career actually.'),(23955,12,95716,98616,'Radha','I started off as a consultant, environmental consultant.'),(23956,12,98616,100946,'Radha','Worked in the U.S.'),(23957,12,100946,101870,'Radha','Worked in the Middle East.'),(23958,12,101870,102966,'Radha','Worked all over the place.'),(23959,12,102966,109576,'Radha','And then the switch to school teaching specifically.'),(23960,12,110046,137406,'Radha','So I was very keen on school teaching because I really felt like given our education system and where it\'s taken all of us, and particularly my generation, I was quite convinced that, in a evangelical fashion, that the best way forward is to actually indoctrinate children to think differently.'),(23961,12,138806,143456,'Radha','So frankly, I came into teaching at a much later point.'),(23962,12,144436,150486,'Radha','About let\'s say, 12, 15 years ago maybe.'),(23963,12,150886,152386,'Radha','Not even 15, less than that, yeah.'),(23964,12,153816,154646,'Radha','So yeah.'),(23965,12,154646,159616,'Radha','So that\'s how I came into environmental education if you\'d like to call it that, yeah, yeah.'),(23966,12,159666,160586,'Suraj','Okay, thank you.'),(23967,12,160586,164306,'Suraj','And right now you\'re visiting faculty at APU, is that right?'),(23968,12,164336,164846,'Radha','That\'s right.'),(23969,12,164846,167816,'Radha','I\'m a visiting faculty at APU\'s School of Development.'),(23970,12,168596,172025,'Radha','And I am one of the editors now of i wonder…, the University’s science magazine for middle and high school teachers..'),(23971,12,172056,173736,'Radha','So that\'s a formal position.'),(23972,12,174316,181226,'Radha','I also am a member of the Food Sovereignty Alliance.'),(23973,12,181846,188286,'Radha','And working on a children\'s program with rural children as well.'),(23974,12,188406,191766,'Radha','So that\'s really what I do yeah.'),(23975,12,192656,192848,'Radha','Now a lot more of that, yeah.'),(23976,12,192848,193376,'Suraj','All right.'),(23977,12,194676,198106,'Suraj','Well, I look forward to learning a little bit more about all of that.'),(23978,12,198146,207496,'Suraj','Before we start formally, I\'ll just say one more time that in this interview, we\'re simply interested in hearing about your perspectives, practices and experiences.'),(23979,12,207766,215206,'Suraj','In our larger project, we\'ll examine patterns and differences and how a variety of researchers have explored teaching and learning and diverse Indian contexts.'),(23980,12,216086,220006,'Suraj','All of this is a way to say don\'t feel that you need to speak on behalf of-'),(23981,12,220236,221966,'Radha','no, absolutely, correct, yeah.'),(23982,12,222676,229236,'Suraj','Importantly, we want to deeply consider a wide of socio cultural groups and center educational equity in this work.'),(23983,12,229456,241116,'Suraj','In this spirit, we actively seek perspectives from minoritized groups and connections to important social issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ wellbeing, sexism, religious discrimination, indigenous epistemology.'),(23984,12,241116,242746,'Suraj','I know you\'ve written about and thought about.'),(23985,12,242966,246726,'Suraj','Ecological crises, obviously that\'s [inaudible] the interview today and decolonization.'),(23986,12,248046,250146,'Suraj','So let\'s get into formally.'),(23987,12,250326,256906,'Suraj','So we\'re really excited to hear about your work in science education, especially thinking about sustainability and climate change education.'),(23988,12,257346,262346,'Suraj','Let\'s start by talking about some of your recent work with students and educators around environmental education.'),(23989,12,262346,268326,'Suraj','Then later we\'ll talk about, return to the story that brought you there and some of your research more broadly.'),(23990,12,268576,275596,'Suraj','So can you tell us about some of what you\'ve been working on currently or recently with students and teachers around environmental education?'),(23991,12,277246,293856,'Radha','It\'s been assorted in the sense that over the last three years, I think, I\'ve been dabbling with environmental education in different contexts and under different conditions.'),(23992,12,294226,295566,'Radha','So let me just clarify this.'),(23993,12,295576,297426,'Radha','So there have been projects.'),(23994,12,297826,307251,'Radha','One, of course, that I have been working on consistently for a while is with this group called Gen Wise, which is based out of Bangalore and I am a mentor for them.'),(23995,12,307496,314083,'Radha','And I actually run and conduct online as well as in person courses.'),(23996,12,314096,316266,'Radha','This was online courses because of the last two years.'),(23997,12,316306,327776,'Radha','But in 2019 and before that, we were doing offline field courses for children in the ages, typically middle school to high school students.'),(23998,12,328396,336876,'Radha','And this was really, there\'s a particular track in the GenWise\'s education program which is called the Planetary Web of Life.'),(23999,12,337466,345636,'Radha','And I was really designing and running, yeah, programs.'),(24000,12,345756,349096,'Radha','The educational programs for children in the age group that I mentioned.'),(24001,12,349566,358756,'Radha','It actually started off with the three week education program for middle to high school students.'),(24002,12,358816,362716,'Radha','And I built that around Yuvah Noah Harari\'s book, Sapiens.'),(24003,12,364776,375736,'Radha','So around that and I guess one could call it sustainability education, but I really like to think of it as a systems view of life, so to speak.'),(24004,12,375746,378436,'Radha','So looking at life systemically.'),(24005,12,380666,383806,'Radha','So that\'s one basket.'),(24006,12,384476,392466,'Radha','The other is, I have begun collaborating with the People\'s Archive of Rural India [PARI] which is run by P Sainath.'),(24007,12,393136,395516,'Radha','They have an education program, PARI education.'),(24008,12,398826,400166,'Radha','So I\'ve engaged with them for a while now.'),(24009,12,400166,407626,'Radha','I just prepared one module or one unit as you might call it on biodiversity and conservation.'),(24010,12,408136,413406,'Radha','And really the first one in is on classification, biological classification and diversity.'),(24011,12,413416,416066,'Radha','And this is something that anybody can take.'),(24012,12,416536,421276,'Radha','Okay, you can take it as a unit and go out and teach middle school children.'),(24013,12,421576,425760,'Radha','It\'s almost like a lesson plan with enough details and all of that sort of thing.'),(24014,12,425760,429286,'Radha','So that\'s PARI education and I will be collaborating with them as we go along.'),(24015,12,429956,437126,'Radha','Then there is a group of young people who are from Ashoka University, from Azim Premji University, Bengaluru, undergrad students.'),(24016,12,439376,446906,'Radha','So they were very keen during the pandemic to teach children.'),(24017,12,447666,457716,'Radha','And because they\'re part of what is called ‘Yugma’ network which is a youth network inspired by Friday for Future and all of that.'),(24018,12,457826,473676,'Radha','And they\'ve done some stellar work on mobilizing support campaigns against the environmental impact assessment 2020 notification that the government of India had put out and various other actions ... And climate change is a big focus for them.'),(24019,12,474026,481516,'Radha','So some of the young people on that were part of a workshop that I was doing on education.'),(24020,12,482206,486276,'Radha','And so then they were very keen to go out and work with children.'),(24021,12,487026,488856,'Radha','And so they designed programs.'),(24022,12,490406,492936,'Radha','And I shared with them some of the programs that I do.'),(24023,12,495496,500233,'Radha','So I\'ve just been mentoring them on environmental education programs that they could take out and teach.'),(24024,12,500476,501936,'Radha','And they\'ve been preparing them.'),(24025,12,502366,505156,'Radha','Whenever possible, I just provide some resources.'),(24026,12,505156,508716,'Radha','But we have calls and we\'re discussing very actively.'),(24027,12,509136,513286,'Radha','So that\'s a mentoring sort of role, in a sense.'),(24028,12,516226,519956,'Radha','And then, of course, work that I do with rural children.'),(24029,12,521176,525846,'Radha','And unfortunately, it\'s really been online the last two years.'),(24030,12,525846,527576,'Radha','And then of course, I Wonder.'),(24031,12,528016,532696,'Radha','And the last issue that we brought out was teaching as if the Earth matters.'),(24032,12,533356,534276,'Radha','Issue six.'),(24033,12,534336,536206,'Radha','And that\'s available for download.'),(24034,12,536206,539736,'Radha','But the focus of that was teaching as if the Earth matters.'),(24035,12,539936,550366,'Radha','So there\'s a very strong focus on the real challenges that we face in the present and in the future, yeah, yeah.'),(24036,12,550726,552936,'Radha','So this is sort of, yeah, it\'s bit of a motley-'),(24037,12,554776,574246,'Suraj','yes, I appreciate hearing about all of that because it\'s quite interesting to think about how you\'re thinking about environmental education has translated into work with children, with educators and with activists in a very formal course type settings and these very informal activist settings.'),(24038,12,574246,577566,'Suraj','So I have several follow up questions that I\'d like to take up with you.'),(24039,12,578066,578670,'Radha','Sure, sure.'),(24040,12,578670,585956,'Suraj','So it sounds like much of this work you are based in a rural context or think or work with rural children, you mentioned.'),(24041,12,585956,587576,'Suraj','Is that a fair characterization?'),(24042,12,587576,589656,'Suraj','And if so, why that choice?'),(24043,12,590446,597706,'Radha','That\'s an interesting one because a significant amount of work over the last three years was with the urban children.'),(24044,12,597706,602176,'Radha','But my interest, over the last four or five years.'),(24045,12,602356,606786,'Radha','So I have to step back a little bit to tell you why my interest.'),(24046,12,607086,622656,'Radha','I mean I have a very strong interest in rural children and government schools where there is very limited access to resource and limited access to really education.'),(24047,12,623046,624311,'Radha','Quality education, right?'),(24048,12,624586,632486,'Radha','So I have a deep interest in that, primarily driven by just the inequality issue, right?'),(24049,12,632526,641886,'Radha','I mean that here are young people who given the same the opportunity would be able to contribute and for their own well being and growth.'),(24050,12,642986,652306,'Radha','All it requires is a certain, is access to opportunities and how do we ensure that that is made possible?'),(24051,12,652446,659076,'Radha','And if we don\'t do this for this generation than how are we going to get rid of inequity and discrimination?'),(24052,12,659636,668546,'Radha','So it\'s really driven by a very strong, I guess, a sense of justice, so to speak.'),(24053,12,668546,677156,'Radha','But also, there\'s another element of that is that knowledge which comes from lived experience of these children, right?'),(24054,12,677906,684886,'Radha','And I\'ve seen this up close when I was teaching at Rishi Valley which was from 2008 to 2015.'),(24055,12,685326,685786,'Radha','I think-'),(24056,12,686186,688356,'Suraj','you were teaching in a school, is it?'),(24057,12,688356,697446,'Radha','In a school, Rishi Valley Education Centre, which is a Krishnamoorthy Foundation school and it’s in Andhra Pradesh near Madanpalle.'),(24058,12,698146,706816,'Radha','And I was there from 2008 to 2015 and really was teaching environmental science to class 11 and 12.'),(24059,12,706816,711696,'Radha','And then because it\'s a residential school, you\'ll end up working with students of all ages.'),(24060,12,712316,716596,'Radha','But that is an urban community in a rural setting.'),(24061,12,718016,718446,'Radha','You see?'),(24062,12,719146,722327,'Radha','So I was doing a lot of work with the rural community on livelihoods and sustainability and it\'s a very ecologically fragile area.'),(24063,12,722327,722359,'Radha','10 years of drought and this type of thing.'),(24064,12,722359,731796,'Radha','And it\'s in Rayalaseema which is semi-arid.'),(24065,12,731796,736036,'Radha','And it\'s a pastoralist community and small farmer community.'),(24066,12,736676,743366,'Radha','And they, some of us engaged very closely with the local government school, okay?'),(24067,12,743826,756996,'Radha','So that is when you, there were so many instances where you suddenly realized that is this legitimate lived experience knowledge, the knowledge based on that that these children have.'),(24068,12,757816,776006,'Radha','And that is disregarded in a very strange way because it\'s literally, you come to school and you are studying from textbooks and a prescribed syllabus which completely ignores that information and knowledge that you come with.'),(24069,12,776506,778186,'Radha','Which means it erodes your confidence.'),(24070,12,778536,780056,'Radha','It erodes your identity.'),(24071,12,780746,787476,'Radha','And it also erodes your capability to be resilient, right?'),(24072,12,787506,793566,'Radha','I mean when you come from socio-ecological background and you know how to survive there, right?'),(24073,12,793896,794896,'Radha','You have that knowledge.'),(24074,12,794906,796876,'Radha','You have elders who have that knowledge.'),(24075,12,797366,803516,'Radha','But you\'re in a school where curriculum tells you something completely different.'),(24076,12,803696,812086,'Radha','So that\'s when I really began to think about what is really science and what is science education and what is education?'),(24077,12,813726,822736,'Radha','So in a sense that was very, and now, and as I\'m articulating to you, it always happens when you\'re articulating, there\'s more clarity in your own head.'),(24078,12,823556,828596,'Suraj','Yes, that\'s always because it feels like we\'re along the journey with you.'),(24079,12,829126,829746,'Radha','Correct, correct.'),(24080,12,830036,848426,'Radha','Yeah, so that\'s where this, what you picked up about a very, or shall I say, subliminally, there is this need to focus on rural situations and yeah.'),(24081,12,849946,850426,'Suraj','Okay.'),(24082,12,851376,859326,'Suraj','I had some other follow ups from your first thing, but let\'s continue with this a little bit because there\'s so much interesting stuff in what you said.'),(24083,12,859326,873296,'Suraj','So you asked this question about what is really science and what is really education and as something that this time working with these children and watching their own background and sense of identity be erased on this way.'),(24084,12,873556,877086,'Suraj','That I think would be really interesting for our audience to hear you talk more about.'),(24085,12,877086,891069,'Suraj','So as I was reading your article this morning, I was thinking about, I think it was an Albert Einstein that was something like the nature of the we won\'t find solutions through the same thinking that the things that brought out the problem.'),(24086,12,891116,891581,'Radha','Exactly, exactly.'),(24087,12,891581,893116,'Suraj','And it has been really interesting.'),(24088,12,893116,900736,'Suraj','And in our field of the learning sciences we have seen, there is some interest now, and particularly indigenous onto-epistemologies.'),(24089,12,901046,922476,'Suraj','Not only because there is a sense that they\'ve been erased in education broadly, but particularly in this moment of climate catastrophe, we\'re seeing that these communities have really, not in these terms, but have really thought about these issues in ways that all of us would benefit from paying more attention to.'),(24090,12,922476,930846,'Suraj','But we seem to continue to insist on systematically disadvantaging in the day to day practice of science and advocacy as your papers regard you.'),(24091,12,930846,934729,'Suraj','So I guess I just said all the things that I was hoping you would say.'),(24092,12,934846,938516,'Suraj','So maybe you might talk a little bit more about how you feel.'),(24093,12,938516,944986,'Radha','That\'s me, it\'s very interesting to hear you ... I mean I\'m really glad that you read that paper and it resonated with you.'),(24094,12,944986,947406,'Radha','That was very interesting to hear you say it.'),(24095,12,948766,951566,'Radha','So actually, let\'s see.'),(24096,12,951566,954226,'Radha','Let\'s, yeah, I think maybe take a couple of steps back now.'),(24097,12,955616,966526,'Radha','The thing is that having come through the formal education system in India and having gone to premier institutions of study and all of that thing.'),(24098,12,967676,972976,'Radha','One emerges, I mean for me personally, I emerged as a technologist, right?'),(24099,12,973206,977376,'Radha','And not to, at all, diss that.'),(24100,12,978086,984776,'Radha','Because that really helped understand, analyze research.'),(24101,12,987486,989206,'Radha','Build critical thinking.'),(24102,12,989226,991886,'Radha','All of that happened because of that training, right?'),(24103,12,993776,1004296,'Radha','And also an appreciation of the importance of rationality and all of the things that science education teaches you.'),(24104,12,1004626,1006826,'Radha','Studying science for a long period of time teaches you.'),(24105,12,1006826,1008646,'Radha','And also doing research teaches you.'),(24106,12,1009376,1034256,'Radha','Now what happens when you then, having been a scientist and technologist and actually applied a lot of the things that I studied and worked on during my higher education period and applying it on the field, gives you a sense of the power of science, right?'),(24107,12,1034426,1040506,'Radha','And the power of translating scientific principles into technology and applying it.'),(24108,12,1040506,1051806,'Radha','In the process, unless you really are examining that very carefully, you forget that science is actually a social endeavor.'),(24109,12,1053346,1056766,'Radha','And that science happens in a social ecological context.'),(24110,12,1058206,1060296,'Radha','And it is not in isolation.'),(24111,12,1060356,1065576,'Radha','Though through schooling as well as through college, I do remember, you\'re a scientist.'),(24112,12,1065576,1066326,'Radha','You are rational.'),(24113,12,1066426,1067366,'Radha','You are objective.'),(24114,12,1068066,1070916,'Radha','But as a human being and of which I discovered much later, of course.'),(24115,12,1071276,1075236,'Radha','As a human being, your first response is an emotional response.'),(24116,12,1075536,1082926,'Radha','You then rationalize that emotional response into action which is logical, based on evidence, all of that, right?'),(24117,12,1084516,1098456,'Radha','But your first response, and particularly if you\'re looking at environmental issues or even social issues, it is an emotional response which can then get translated if you\'re an activist into action of a different kind.'),(24118,12,1098716,1105566,'Radha','But when you\'re a scientist or an economist, it gets translated into a different kind of action.'),(24119,12,1106756,1110736,'Radha','So that\'s one part of it.'),(24120,12,1111846,1126676,'Radha','And then when you actually are with communities like I was and this was straight from being a technologist and a consultant into this environment without any intermediate period.'),(24121,12,1127526,1134356,'Radha','And then you suddenly realize that it\'s not about problems and solutions.'),(24122,12,1134796,1135036,'Radha','Okay?'),(24123,12,1135426,1138016,'Radha','That\'s a very linear understanding.'),(24124,12,1138556,1139466,'Radha','Here\'s a problem.'),(24125,12,1139506,1142326,'Radha','Here\'s a solution, end of chapter, right?'),(24126,12,1142736,1143496,'Radha','Here\'s a problem.'),(24127,12,1143496,1146176,'Radha','Here\'s a technological ... Okay, so water for instance, right?'),(24128,12,1146456,1147206,'Radha','There\'s a water issue.'),(24129,12,1147416,1151406,'Radha','Okay, so how can I ensure that continuous good quality water supply will happen?'),(24130,12,1151726,1159856,'Radha','Oh I could either dig the borewell well deeper or I could get a reverse osmosis unit, remove all the hardness water and make it available.'),(24131,12,1159986,1165056,'Radha','So I\'m thinking really more in terms of as a technologist to solve the problem.'),(24132,12,1166106,1169876,'Radha','As opposed to here a situation or a condition.'),(24133,12,1171396,1173256,'Radha','What is the response to that?'),(24134,12,1173286,1176676,'Radha','And what change in condition is created by the response?'),(24135,12,1177366,1181386,'Radha','And then it creates a new condition to which you have another response, right?'),(24136,12,1181776,1182816,'Radha','And then it\'s a process.'),(24137,12,1182816,1183856,'Radha','It\'s a bit of a journey.'),(24138,12,1184756,1187836,'Radha','But in this process, technology is part of the solution.'),(24139,12,1189806,1191646,'Radha','Technology is not the solution.'),(24140,12,1192796,1198606,'Radha','And this I learned through conversations with these communities where you say, \"Okay, so you have a water crisis.'),(24141,12,1198606,1199756,'Radha','Okay, let\'s look at this.'),(24142,12,1199756,1200326,'Radha','What do we want to do?'),(24143,12,1200416,1201126,'Radha','What should we do?'),(24144,12,1201126,1202106,'Radha','Et cetera, et cetera.'),(24145,12,1202346,1203406,'Radha','What\'s your source of water?'),(24146,12,1203406,1206806,'Radha','Why are you not-\" You\'re asking the questions to solve the problem.'),(24147,12,1208216,1211106,'Radha','But then you\'re also faced with many other issues.'),(24148,12,1211136,1213906,'Radha','And we don\'t have a continuous water supply.'),(24149,12,1213936,1215886,'Radha','We don\'t have piped water in our homes.'),(24150,12,1216226,1222896,'Radha','We have had very little rain in the last, whatever, five to seven years.'),(24151,12,1226786,1231606,'Radha','We have to petition literally but the panchayat in order to get water.');
INSERT INTO `wp_podlove_modules_transcripts_transcript` VALUES (24152,12,1232416,1239146,'Radha','Then the larger social policy issues, inequities in society.'),(24153,12,1239156,1240716,'Radha','Why is this situation here?'),(24154,12,1241006,1242686,'Radha','All that starts coming in.'),(24155,12,1243576,1243906,'Radha','Right?'),(24156,12,1243936,1244966,'Radha','Unlike in a city.'),(24157,12,1245086,1247276,'Radha','The situation in a city is slightly different from this.'),(24158,12,1248466,1252896,'Radha','Then you begin to understand that, okay, one needs to understand policy.'),(24159,12,1253416,1256056,'Radha','One needs to understand why policies of a certain kind.'),(24160,12,1256296,1258966,'Radha','One needs to understand the economics of the situation.'),(24161,12,1259186,1261406,'Radha','One needs to understand social discrimination.'),(24162,12,1261406,1262886,'Radha','One needs to understand all of this.'),(24163,12,1263876,1269766,'Radha','And also, the solution does not ... Or the response does not come from the technologists.'),(24164,12,1270396,1281636,'Radha','But it arrived from consulting, from understanding, from realizing that here is an urban community in a rural setting which has 24/7 water.'),(24165,12,1282166,1289106,'Radha','And right outside, there are a bunch of pastoralists and small farmers who don\'t have 24/7 water and why is that?'),(24166,12,1290486,1292106,'Radha','So access to resource, right?'),(24167,12,1292326,1300026,'Radha','So then all of these realities then start coming into your understanding of an issue.'),(24168,12,1301956,1307536,'Radha','And to me, that is when you realize the significance of what is sustainability?'),(24169,12,1309056,1311888,'Radha','It\'s not about sustainable development and arriving at solutions.'),(24170,12,1311888,1323046,'Radha','So in that sense, I think, it was ... And so I could take this into the classroom and that was the other benefit.'),(24171,12,1323606,1329416,'Radha','Could take this whole experience into the classroom for students of class 11 and 12 to work on projects.'),(24172,12,1331086,1332100,'Suraj','Tell us more about that.'),(24173,12,1332276,1332556,'Radha','Yeah.'),(24174,12,1332556,1342206,'Radha','And that became ... So for instance, as part of the ISC board which is what these students were doing, 11th and 12th, environmental science is an elective.'),(24175,12,1343566,1343766,'Radha','Okay.'),(24176,12,1343766,1346256,'Radha','So you\'ll have students, you\'ll probably have, what?'),(24177,12,1346446,1350696,'Radha','Five to eight students who will sign up because you have different electives.'),(24178,12,1350696,1353866,'Radha','And the school strength was about 360 students.'),(24179,12,1354046,1357466,'Radha','So you have about that many ... It\'s a small school.'),(24180,12,1358156,1362816,'Radha','So when they have that as part of their curriculum, they have to do a project, right?'),(24181,12,1363356,1367726,'Radha','And so then with the first batch, I decided okay, it was just four girls.'),(24182,12,1368136,1369096,'Radha','So then I said okay, you know what?'),(24183,12,1369096,1370856,'Radha','We are going out into the village.'),(24184,12,1370926,1372016,'Radha','We\'re going to go for a walk.'),(24185,12,1372516,1373556,'Radha','And you\'ll decide.'),(24186,12,1373616,1385326,'Radha','Each of you have to pick one topic, based on what you see, that you think is something you want to explore or you are really surprised by it.'),(24187,12,1385406,1389816,'Radha','Or it disturbs you or whatever, right?'),(24188,12,1390086,1391076,'Radha','So then they did that.'),(24189,12,1391486,1396566,'Radha','One wanted to work with the shepherd\'s goatherds to understand what is that livelihood?'),(24190,12,1396576,1398406,'Radha','What are the resources it depends on?'),(24191,12,1398406,1400086,'Radha','What does a day in their life look like?'),(24192,12,1400086,1401066,'Radha','What are the challenges?'),(24193,12,1401986,1402486,'Radha','All of that.'),(24194,12,1402486,1403746,'Radha','All of those aspects.'),(24195,12,1404216,1407216,'Radha','And then another one wanted to look at water challenges in the village.'),(24196,12,1407236,1409276,'Radha','Another one, energy challenges in the village.'),(24197,12,1409486,1419496,'Radha','So we got four different projects because they were surprised at ... So do all of them have electricity at home?'),(24198,12,1420486,1421686,'Radha','And if not, why not?'),(24199,12,1422166,1425256,'Radha','And some homes have small solar panels and how did come about?'),(24200,12,1425796,1427636,'Radha','So all of those kinds of questions.'),(24201,12,1428426,1428903,'Suraj','Good questions.'),(24202,12,1428903,1432396,'Radha','Very good questions, yes, and because you\'re just walking.'),(24203,12,1432936,1435496,'Radha','And the thing was just walk.'),(24204,12,1435656,1436286,'Radha','Let\'s walk.'),(24205,12,1436336,1437156,'Radha','Let\'s observe.'),(24206,12,1437576,1438906,'Radha','Let\'s see what we make of it.'),(24207,12,1439096,1440806,'Radha','Let\'s reflect on it when we come back.'),(24208,12,1441536,1445636,'Radha','We\'ll probably sit under a tamarind tree and then reflect on it and then see what comes out of it.'),(24209,12,1446086,1447636,'Radha','And then interviews with community.'),(24210,12,1447976,1451596,'Radha','So that\'s how the project started developing for each batch of students.'),(24211,12,1452196,1460316,'Radha','And then there are questions that young people ask, because they come from a certain background, right?'),(24212,12,1460316,1464226,'Radha','From a certain social context and social economic context.'),(24213,12,1465186,1473576,'Radha','So simple questions like so you don\'t have a tap in your house, why is that?'),(24214,12,1473716,1475726,'Radha','And then those kind of real questions.'),(24215,12,1475786,1478316,'Radha','And is this your own home?'),(24216,12,1478826,1479966,'Radha','How did you build this house?'),(24217,12,1480236,1486286,'Radha','So how do you have land but you have to still do labor in order to earn your living?'),(24218,12,1487326,1488986,'Radha','So those kinds of questions.'),(24219,12,1488986,1493946,'Radha','And why isn\'t enough for you if you are a farmer?'),(24220,12,1494286,1497276,'Radha','Why do you need to hold multiple livelihoods?'),(24221,12,1498706,1499286,'Radha','Right?'),(24222,12,1499316,1502426,'Radha','So why isn\'t it just enough to have one job?'),(24223,12,1502746,1503806,'Radha','But this is not a job.'),(24224,12,1503826,1506596,'Radha','And then we started differentiating between job and livelihoods.'),(24225,12,1506596,1511006,'Radha','And a certain richness, I think, for those children.'),(24226,12,1511016,1511376,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(24227,12,1511776,1515146,'Radha','Because they came back and they were like we\'ll never forget those things.'),(24228,12,1515146,1516211,'Radha','I mean it\'s really informed.'),(24229,12,1516526,1519026,'Radha','And it\'s informed what they\'ve done with their lives, yeah.'),(24230,12,1520116,1526246,'Suraj','And then you have this science that comes really contextualized socially, it\'s often historicized.'),(24231,12,1526346,1530216,'Radha','Exactly, exactly.'),(24232,12,1531926,1532043,'Suraj','Which then [inaudible]'),(24233,12,1532043,1532079,'Radha','exactly.'),(24234,12,1532079,1532416,'Radha','And there\'s the process of science, right?'),(24235,12,1532886,1534916,'Radha','That there is a history of science.'),(24236,12,1534916,1536086,'Radha','I mean this is how it evolved.'),(24237,12,1536086,1537266,'Radha','I mean there is a process.'),(24238,12,1537716,1539426,'Radha','Because you are observing.'),(24239,12,1539916,1542926,'Radha','You have become aware of the situation around you.'),(24240,12,1543286,1548526,'Radha','You have recorded either through interviews or visually.'),(24241,12,1548686,1551466,'Radha','So you have evidence of what is the situation around you?'),(24242,12,1552126,1554736,'Radha','And then it hones those skills as well.'),(24243,12,1555096,1558506,'Radha','And then documentation and then analysis of the documentation.'),(24244,12,1558556,1567030,'Radha','Inferring from your ... So the process of science and the practice of science can be very much embedded in projects like this as well.'),(24245,12,1567030,1573016,'Radha','And at the same time, you suddenly realize, so I remember one of my students saying, \"this is economics, no?'),(24246,12,1573016,1574986,'Radha','I mean it\'s not environmental science.\"'),(24247,12,1574996,1576956,'Radha','So we\'re like, \"Okay, why is that?'),(24248,12,1576956,1578426,'Radha','Let\'s talk about that a little bit.\"'),(24249,12,1579906,1580896,'Radha','And then you begin to…'),(24250,12,1580896,1581431,'Suraj','oh I love that.'),(24251,12,1581606,1590031,'Radha','Yeah, and then you begin to see these boundaries dissolving and it\'s wonderful to be with young people who are discovering that.'),(24252,12,1590276,1595566,'Radha','It comes to them because rather than you saying oh this is the discipline of this…'),(24253,12,1595816,1597536,'Suraj','yeah, yeah.'),(24254,12,1597646,1601811,'Suraj','Yeah, I think it\'s quite fascinating also to think about.'),(24255,12,1601976,1605126,'Suraj','The last interview I sat with was with Chayanika Shah.'),(24256,12,1605216,1606186,'Suraj','I don\'t know if you-'),(24257,12,1606266,1606676,'Radha','oh Chayanika, of course.'),(24258,12,1606876,1608016,'Radha','She was in IIT Bombay.'),(24259,12,1608016,1609966,'Radha','Yeah, yeah, she has experience, yes.'),(24260,12,1610196,1615236,'Suraj','Yeah, we had sat with her to talk about LGBTQ+ justice and feminism.'),(24261,12,1615236,1623096,'Suraj','And it was quite interesting because that same kind of perspective on science in the social world that you\'re kind of sharing.'),(24262,12,1623096,1627756,'Suraj','But came through it from this feminist, feminist point theory of science.'),(24263,12,1628016,1631746,'Suraj','And then here we see it through this context of sustainability and climate change.'),(24264,12,1631746,1638326,'Suraj','So it\'s really interesting how when you try and bring these things to bear on solving persistent problems, you necessarily, not matter the questions.'),(24265,12,1638326,1638506,'Radha','Absolutely, yeah.'),(24266,12,1639916,1643526,'Suraj','So this seems like a good place to clarify a little bit about our terminology.'),(24267,12,1643566,1653616,'Suraj','So in that article, you make this distinction or try to unmake this distinction between sustainability and sustainable development.'),(24268,12,1653626,1665726,'Suraj','So it would be helpful to think like this kind of work you\'re doing, do you like to talk about it as sustainability education or environmental education, science education broadly, climate education, something else.'),(24269,12,1666186,1669236,'Suraj','What kinds of words do you like to use to describe these projects?'),(24270,12,1671556,1676966,'Radha','I just use the word education because I have so much difficulty in slotting them.'),(24271,12,1676976,1679096,'Radha','I mean it\'s a bit of a quandary for me.'),(24272,12,1679276,1684416,'Radha','So I just think that, okay so I\'m going to give you a bit of an anecdote.'),(24273,12,1684416,1684452,'Suraj','You do, I love that.'),(24274,12,1684456,1691656,'Radha','So there was this conversation, yes, it was this conversation I was having with a very dear friend who\'s now in the U.S.'),(24275,12,1692256,1697086,'Radha','But he was, at that time, a senior professor at the university.'),(24276,12,1697086,1702826,'Radha','And we were talking about sustainability and a Masters in Development or whatever, whatever.'),(24277,12,1703476,1710753,'Radha','And so I said, \"Why do you have to have a specialization in sustainability and a Masters in Development program?\"'),(24278,12,1711996,1712941,'Radha','\"Well, what do we do?\"'),(24279,12,1712996,1713546,'Radha','I said, \"No.'),(24280,12,1715526,1720576,'Radha','I guess one should plan it as you have a Masters program and whatever, Development.'),(24281,12,1721536,1724156,'Radha','You might start with a specialization in sustainability.'),(24282,12,1725546,1736216,'Radha','But your plan should be that five years down the line, whatever Masters in Development you\'re doing, sustainability has to be embedded in it.\"'),(24283,12,1736236,1739746,'Radha','So you don\'t have to have it as a specialization and a Masters in Development.'),(24284,12,1741116,1748276,'Radha','All discourse, conversation, understanding of development has to stem from sustainability.'),(24285,12,1749196,1751946,'Radha','So in a sense you have to dissolve it into that.'),(24286,12,1752336,1752546,'Radha','Right?'),(24287,12,1752546,1762236,'Radha','So then I\'m not saying that oh this is a Masters in Development with specialization in public policy, with specialization in sustainability, with specialization in x, y, z.'),(24288,12,1762236,1768906,'Radha','So I mean this was something that I just, I couldn\'t get my head around.'),(24289,12,1768906,1771076,'Radha','And I was like so why are we doing this?'),(24290,12,1771196,1774376,'Radha','So he laughed and said, \"That\'s not happening.'),(24291,12,1774376,1776336,'Radha','So we have to do this.\"'),(24292,12,1778206,1785811,'Radha','but the thing is that it\'s about what education should be, right?'),(24293,12,1786086,1787536,'Radha','I mean it should be about.'),(24294,12,1787806,1800220,'Radha','So I wanted to just add one point to the previous thoughts that we were talking about where you talking about Chayanika’s LGBTQ situation and this whole thing that we were talking about.'),(24295,12,1800220,1805676,'Radha','Another element that actually emerged very strongly with these students was the element of caste.'),(24296,12,1807166,1807781,'Suraj','Tell us about that.'),(24297,12,1807781,1817606,'Radha','Because you have in the communities around there, both at the school and also in other work that I have done in other states like Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.'),(24298,12,1817606,1820696,'Radha','Caste, of course, is deeply embedded in our system.'),(24299,12,1820696,1825456,'Radha','I mean a lot of people in urban areas think there is no caste in urban areas which is not true.'),(24300,12,1826096,1828796,'Radha','But in rural areas, it\'s much more in your face, right?'),(24301,12,1828796,1833846,'Radha','Because you even have villages which are called Dalit Wada which are outside the main village?'),(24302,12,1833846,1833976,'Radha','Right?'),(24303,12,1834006,1837586,'Radha','Even today you have it in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana and many other places in the country.'),(24304,12,1838086,1849266,'Radha','So now when you are sitting with a group of people who are part of one village.'),(24305,12,1849296,1853946,'Radha','And then you\'re talking there and then you move to the other one and then they ask you, \"Oh where did you come from?\"'),(24306,12,1853946,1854860,'Radha','And then you tell them you were there.'),(24307,12,1854896,1857086,'Radha','They said that was a Dalit village.'),(24308,12,1857446,1861846,'Radha','So then the questions the students ask why do they have to mention that, right?'),(24309,12,1862366,1869006,'Radha','So then we started talking about how even today, a person of another caste will not eat from a Dalit home.'),(24310,12,1869396,1873486,'Radha','So then we went back to some of the Dalit households and we started talking about it.'),(24311,12,1873676,1874836,'Radha','And they said, \"Yes, that is true.'),(24312,12,1875366,1876516,'Radha','They won\'t eat in our homes.\"'),(24313,12,1877246,1881986,'Radha','and of course now, there was one person who said this.'),(24314,12,1881996,1885966,'Radha','He said, \"There are two places where caste gets dissolved.\"'),(24315,12,1886026,1886446,'Radha','I said, \"Where?\"'),(24316,12,1886446,1889216,'Radha','He said, \"When we go and deliver milk.'),(24317,12,1889766,1892436,'Radha','So these milk collection centers.\"'),(24318,12,1892436,1897616,'Radha','He said, \"Nobody cares if it\'s a Dalit family\'s cow or a buffalo.'),(24319,12,1899186,1903996,'Radha','It\'s all going into the same larger pool which then gets pasteurized or whatever.\"'),(24320,12,1904356,1906191,'Radha','he said, \"But it\'s coming from my house, right?'),(24321,12,1906336,1907886,'Radha','And I\'m Dalit.\"'),(24322,12,1907936,1909256,'Radha','He said, \"That is one place.\"'),(24323,12,1909346,1927216,'Radha','And he said, \"And the other place is when we have to put our-\" He said, \"Earlier, when he was younger-\" He said, \"We didn\'t even have access to water first because you can\'t go to the same place where everybody\'s going.\"'),(24324,12,1927796,1935456,'Radha','but he said, \"Today, whether you\'re Dalit or whether you\'re not Dalit, you have to stand in that queue to fill your pot from the tanker.\"'),(24325,12,1937126,1939236,'Radha','He said, \"That\'s a bit of a levelizer.\"'),(24326,12,1940506,1944856,'Radha','I mean the point is if it\'s about this idea of resource.'),(24327,12,1944956,1948446,'Radha','And who owns resource and on what basis do they resource?'),(24328,12,1949206,1952206,'Radha','Whether it\'s land or whether it is access to water or anything, right?'),(24329,12,1953606,1955246,'Radha','I mean access to any resource.'),(24330,12,1956116,1974076,'Radha','So I think the close, the very tight link between access to resource for survival and caste and class in India.'),(24331,12,1974956,1982316,'Radha','I think those things became very evident for many of the students who were working on these projects that it\'s so deeply embedded.'),(24332,12,1982346,1983966,'Radha','And even something like eating.'),(24333,12,1985346,1986916,'Radha','You can\'t.'),(24334,12,1986966,1993224,'Radha','And then, of course, we then moved on to diet and what kind of food and how are they different and why are they different and all of that sort of thing.'),(24335,12,1993224,1993746,'Radha','But yeah.'),(24336,12,1994016,1994666,'Radha','So caste.'),(24337,12,1995076,1996506,'Radha','And I think that so yeah.'),(24338,12,1996846,2009306,'Suraj','I\'m glad that you brought our attention to caste because I think these questions, of course, necessarily have this ... If you\'re to contextualize science socially without this lens towards disparate impact, you\'ve missed something.'),(24339,12,2009306,2019670,'Suraj','And I think it, you know you\'ve pointed out that, of course, the gap between those who are the cause of ... I don\'t want to cause.'),(24340,12,2019670,2023206,'Radha','Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.'),(24341,12,2023206,2027746,'Suraj','The cause of these emissions and the people who are most affected by these changes is quite a large gap.'),(24342,12,2028816,2028906,'Radha','Absolutely.'),(24343,12,2028906,2034766,'Suraj','And arguably part of why action has not been taken at the scope that is arguably necessary.'),(24344,12,2035136,2036791,'Radha','Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.'),(24345,12,2037296,2046946,'Suraj','So please feel free to keep raising some of those issues around caste and equity as we continue our conversation because I think it\'s really fundamental to what it means to contextualize science education.'),(24346,12,2047916,2055023,'Suraj','So I\'m trying to think where I want to go from here because I have many options ahead of me.'),(24347,12,2055236,2064016,'Suraj','I think, so we did talk a little bit, that question was around what we call this environmental education, sustainability education.'),(24348,12,2064036,2065406,'Radha','Yeah, yeah, yeah.'),(24349,12,2066166,2071946,'Suraj','And so your background is in science and then now you\'re in development, programs.'),(24350,12,2071956,2073816,'Suraj','But so much of your work is in education.'),(24351,12,2073816,2085696,'Suraj','So it might be helpful to just hear for a little bit about what field or research community you tend to write towards or if there\'s theories, thinkers, schools of thought that really influence your thinking as you decide.'),(24352,12,2085716,2087466,'Radha','Yeah, yeah, yeah.'),(24353,12,2087466,2093326,'Radha','When I saw that question, I was thinking huh I really ... So there are two things that I\'d like to say here.'),(24354,12,2093506,2097336,'Radha','One is that in terms of thinkers, et cetera.'),(24355,12,2097716,2106436,'Radha','So one, I think a very profound ... So before that, of course, before I really came formally into education.'),(24356,12,2107156,2126246,'Radha','I mean after I came in formally into education through the school et cetera, Paulo Freire, I read him as soon as I ... So that really left a very deep impact on my understanding of how does science work in this milieu, right?'),(24357,12,2126916,2129036,'Radha','And how do you actually get it to work in this milieu.'),(24358,12,2129466,2130866,'Radha','So Freire is one.'),(24359,12,2130876,2146656,'Radha','But then from when I think about my understanding and my now over zealous emphasis with students on a systems view of life, that really comes from Fritjof Capra\'s book, Systems View of Life.'),(24360,12,2147286,2154136,'Radha','And the course that he taught which I actually took which is about a 12 week course called the Systems View of Life.'),(24361,12,2154176,2161516,'Radha','And that really allowed me to actually formalize in my head the framework.'),(24362,12,2162616,2170616,'Radha','I did struggle a little bit with this idea of how do you actually, what is the kind of framework that you could teach with?'),(24363,12,2172156,2178996,'Radha','So I used to keep them looking at it as we need to look at the world around us almost like a spider web, right?'),(24364,12,2179196,2183092,'Radha','So we\'re just woven together in just this web as opposed to a linear thing, right?'),(24365,12,2183216,2188786,'Radha','I mean that idea was very much a part of my understanding.'),(24366,12,2188786,2193216,'Radha','But how do you articulate it into a formal framework of education, right?'),(24367,12,2193486,2219326,'Radha','And so the systems view of life and the nested systems approach where you\'re looking at the individual and education, or the practice of the individual being embedded really in the social and political system, economic system, which is then embedded in ecological system and then the larger Earth system and the Earth system processes.'),(24368,12,2219826,2228576,'Radha','So that is one thing, I think, which has really informed my subsequent articulations and understanding.'),(24369,12,2228576,2233276,'Suraj','And maybe here briefly you can, I mean you\'ve just did this, but maybe you can just [inaudible] too.'),(24370,12,2233886,2239444,'Suraj','You can tell it what is systems view of life and how that is different from a more [inaudible]'),(24371,12,2239444,2240355,'Suraj','?<v Radha> Right, right.'),(24372,12,2240355,2254326,'Radha','So what has happened is that, of course, ever since the 70s, I think, at ... I mean there\'s a fundamental difference between environmental movements in the west and in India, right?'),(24373,12,2254546,2265486,'Radha','I mean in India and also in many countries in Africa, the environmental movement actually emerged as a threat to livelihoods and to very existence in that sense, right?'),(24374,12,2265856,2269826,'Radha','So it actually emerged from a struggle for livelihoods and resources at that level.'),(24375,12,2269826,2271456,'Radha','And that\'s how the movements began.'),(24376,12,2271456,2275536,'Radha','So they were social movements and ecological movements were very closely tied.'),(24377,12,2276066,2279956,'Radha','In the west, the environmental movement had a very strong ecological focus.'),(24378,12,2280036,2286976,'Radha','And it was about wilderness and separation of the humans from the pristine wilderness and all of that.'),(24379,12,2286976,2288986,'Radha','Like John Mears writings and you know all of that.'),(24380,12,2288986,2291576,'Radha','So there is a very distinct difference.'),(24381,12,2291866,2307846,'Radha','Now that understanding of what do ecological movements and what do environmental movements and, therefore, environmental education, that there is a social, ecological context to that from an Indian perspective.'),(24382,12,2309206,2311226,'Radha','So that is one level, right?'),(24383,12,2311516,2322376,'Radha','Now implicit in that is an understanding that you don\'t look at the environment as air, water, soil.'),(24384,12,2322436,2324066,'Radha','You don\'t look at it like that, right?'),(24385,12,2325086,2336876,'Radha','Now in the early days of the movement and also in India, scientists were looking at it as air quality, water quality, solid waste, cleaning.'),(24386,12,2336886,2340046,'Radha','Like for example, the superfunds in the U.S.'),(24387,12,2340416,2345516,'Radha','which were used to clean up waste dumps where toxic waste were dumped, et cetera.'),(24388,12,2345896,2362256,'Radha','So until you understood the environment as a multimedia, integrated of an entity, we always approached it as these individual pieces that need be dealt with, right?'),(24389,12,2362706,2368246,'Radha','And then of course, you discover that hey I cleaned this and I\'m actually producing something else somewhere else [inaudible] you look at it.'),(24390,12,2369206,2371646,'Radha','And so that was the kind of approach.'),(24391,12,2371646,2382176,'Radha','And then slowly from there people began to realize that okay, we need to really take a more integrated and the word holistic started coming into our vocabulary, right?'),(24392,12,2383176,2397756,'Radha','Now all of that moved on, but there wasn\'t any clear articulation of what one could think of as it was very hard to think.'),(24393,12,2398106,2404466,'Radha','There wasn\'t a concrete framework through which one could actually look at something and say, \"How do I really understand it?'),(24394,12,2404506,2408596,'Radha','What does it really mean when I say if I clean air, it becomes water.'),(24395,12,2408596,2412146,'Radha','And then after dealing with that, what does all of this actually mean and how do you?\"'),(24396,12,2412146,2412976,'Suraj','yeah, it\'s overwhelming.'),(24397,12,2412976,2414296,'Suraj','It\'s either just [inaudible] or everything.'),(24398,12,2414296,2414396,'Suraj','How to scope out [inaudible]'),(24399,12,2414396,2414416,'Suraj','?<v Radha> Exactly.'),(24400,12,2414436,2422446,'Radha','Yes, and also to escape from [inaudible] but everything is connected.'),(24401,12,2422726,2425693,'Radha','Well, yeah, it is, but I mean really how you know.'),(24402,12,2425916,2427886,'Radha','If you just say that, how the hell where do you approach?'),(24403,12,2428256,2428991,'Radha','Where do you start, right?'),(24404,12,2429386,2429786,'Suraj','Right.'),(24405,12,2429916,2432895,'Radha','But then we had all these other frameworks.'),(24406,12,2434165,2439075,'Radha','The planetary boundary framework, the doughnut framework when people really began to realize that okay, we\'re pushing really hard.'),(24407,12,2439085,2440635,'Radha','Climate change is a reality.'),(24408,12,2441285,2443685,'Radha','So then you looked at Earth processes.'),(24409,12,2443685,2447115,'Radha','And this comes from Earth scientists and chemists actually.'),(24410,12,2448285,2453175,'Radha','Like the idea of bio geochemical cycles, the carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle, water cycle.'),(24411,12,2453175,2458355,'Radha','And then you have the cyclic approach, which also has a very strong ecological focus to it.'),(24412,12,2459025,2475365,'Radha','So then the Stockholm Environmental Institute and chemists and geo chemists came out with the planetary boundary framework which basically said there are these nine Earth processes and we have to function within a safe limit for each of these processes.'),(24413,12,2475365,2476502,'Radha','And we are already breaching several of these boundaries.'),(24414,12,2476502,2495435,'Radha','But even that didn\'t really bring the social, ecological connections because a lot of people found frameworks like that very dense and having a tough time.'),(24415,12,2495435,2497135,'Radha','How do people arrive at these estimates?'),(24416,12,2497145,2503045,'Radha','It just was not tangible for them to really understand what is this thing, right?'),(24417,12,2504615,2511115,'Radha','But going back, if you take your understanding of what a system is, right?'),(24418,12,2512805,2519205,'Radha','Where you have these relationships, something comes in and then causes change.'),(24419,12,2519255,2534165,'Radha','And there are these multiple parts which are related, which have relationships, which when they are together in a certain relationship, function in a way that is distinct from each part functioning, right?'),(24420,12,2534985,2538555,'Radha','So then that whole thing about the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.'),(24421,12,2542515,2545145,'Radha','And then you look at a natural ecosystem.'),(24422,12,2545165,2548355,'Radha','I\'m just saying natural, but really you look at the ecosystem around you, right?'),(24423,12,2549185,2558005,'Radha','If you look at that, you begin to see that there are so many intricate connections, dependencies, inter dependencies.'),(24424,12,2559615,2565315,'Radha','What one may look at as predator prey relationship , but actually there is a dependency there.'),(24425,12,2566115,2568885,'Radha','There are different kinds of associations and relationships.'),(24426,12,2569495,2575850,'Radha','And it\'s not just between living system and living creatures, but also with what we call nonliving, right?'),(24427,12,2576495,2583385,'Radha','For instance, is soil living or nonliving?'),(24428,12,2583385,2583399,'Radha','Difficult to say, right?'),(24429,12,2583399,2583407,'Suraj','Is what?'),(24430,12,2583407,2583410,'Suraj','Soil?'),(24431,12,2583410,2583414,'Radha','Soil.'),(24432,12,2583414,2583725,'Radha','Is soil living or nonliving?'),(24433,12,2583735,2586025,'Radha','Difficult to say because there is life in it.'),(24434,12,2586735,2587690,'Suraj','I thought you said oil.'),(24435,12,2587690,2588295,'Suraj','And that was a very different [inaudible] but actually the same question-'),(24436,12,2589465,2590575,'Radha','well that\'s true.'),(24437,12,2591735,2593125,'Radha','After all, oil - it\'s fossils, right?'),(24438,12,2594305,2599145,'Radha','So then now how do you really then understand it a little better?'),(24439,12,2599615,2611015,'Radha','So if you were to take this ecosystem understanding and place it in the context of the planet, and place it in a socio ecological, like we said in the beginning, science is a social endeavor.'),(24440,12,2611475,2614275,'Radha','And we are creatures of social ecological systems.'),(24441,12,2614275,2620645,'Radha','We are not separate from, I mean it\'s so hard to really even think of separating the two, right?'),(24442,12,2621085,2623125,'Radha','But we do it for our convenience, right?'),(24443,12,2623125,2623445,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(24444,12,2623995,2631735,'Radha','So then how do you understand this overwhelming, range of these relationships and where do I begin?'),(24445,12,2631745,2632765,'Radha','And it\'s all fine.'),(24446,12,2633415,2637265,'Radha','So then I liked this systems view framework.'),(24447,12,2637265,2649435,'Radha','It appealed to me because it allowed me to actually have a schematic to show that here is, if you have a nested system, so that means one inside the other.'),(24448,12,2649705,2651915,'Radha','A bit like the Russian matryoshka dolls.'),(24449,12,2652045,2653415,'Radha','You open one and there\'s another one.'),(24450,12,2653415,2655605,'Radha','You open one, there\'s ... So literally that, right?'),(24451,12,2655605,2664295,'Radha','I mean the individual or the household is embedded in the larger system which is not independent.'),(24452,12,2664395,2667725,'Radha','Which is also dependent ultimately on Earth processes.'),(24453,12,2667975,2675225,'Radha','But the ecological, social, economic, political, ecological connection, how do you show that?'),(24454,12,2676295,2684465,'Radha','But if you were to show it as this one inside the other inside the other inside the other, then you suddenly see oh yeah, that\'s true.'),(24455,12,2684845,2686195,'Radha','There is all these relationships.'),(24456,12,2686635,2696495,'Radha','So let me move forward with an understanding that the political system is a creation of the social system.'),(24457,12,2698075,2699435,'Radha','As is the economic system.'),(24458,12,2699435,2702565,'Radha','Those are constructs of human beings, right?'),(24459,12,2702945,2710445,'Radha','But the ecological system and the Earth system are realities of a very different kind.'),(24460,12,2710795,2711985,'Radha','They are not your constructs.'),(24461,12,2711985,2714295,'Radha','They are not constructs of the human mind.'),(24462,12,2715855,2716795,'Radha','They are a given.'),(24463,12,2717275,2719035,'Radha','There are natural laws that govern it.'),(24464,12,2719745,2721495,'Radha','But I can change the political system.'),(24465,12,2722465,2724065,'Radha','It\'s like what Harari says.'),(24466,12,2724355,2730845,'Radha','But you all know Harari and Fritjof Capra, I think my understanding of life is kind of sorted.'),(24467,12,2731315,2738025,'Radha','But I mean it\'s saying that there is something that\'s reality.'),(24468,12,2738565,2746695,'Radha','And then there is other things that are human constructs which somehow we have begun to believe is also a law of nature.'),(24469,12,2746745,2747155,'Radha','It\'s not.'),(24470,12,2749815,2755835,'Radha','So that clarity emerged from this understanding of a systems.'),(24471,12,2755975,2770115,'Radha','Meaning you look at life like an ecosystem, but a natural ecosystem, when you look at ecosystems, you\'re looking at it as creatures other than the human.'),(24472,12,2770695,2780615,'Radha','But if you were to look at human and the non human environment around you as one unit, how do you look at it?'),(24473,12,2780885,2792625,'Radha','Because if you were to take that same understanding of an ecosystem, prey predator relationships, neutralism, symbiosis, parasitism, all that exists in human society.'),(24474,12,2792625,2797975,'Radha','So can we understand that and then understand our social system, our political system.'),(24475,12,2798615,2803265,'Radha','Then what happens is when you really get to it, you look at your food system, okay?'),(24476,12,2804295,2807285,'Radha','I\'m really veering off so you\'ll have to indulge me a little bit here.'),(24477,12,2808465,2817685,'Radha','So it\'s like, for instance, with the grade eight students in Rishi Valley and with the grade eight students of the government school nearby, we did a project called Where Does My Food Come From?'),(24478,12,2818595,2819875,'Radha','Simple question, right?'),(24479,12,2820105,2824695,'Radha','But when the kids started exploring, they were like oh my God.'),(24480,12,2824695,2825675,'Radha','This is so complex.'),(24481,12,2825675,2828795,'Radha','Because we wrote down a menu.'),(24482,12,2828855,2831025,'Radha','We listed the food that we eat every day.'),(24483,12,2831295,2832555,'Radha','And then we said let\'s break it down.'),(24484,12,2832585,2833545,'Radha','Let\'s get the recipes.'),(24485,12,2833555,2834695,'Radha','Let\'s look at the ingredients.'),(24486,12,2834725,2836675,'Radha','Let\'s find out where the ingredients come from.'),(24487,12,2837195,2838045,'Radha','Who grows them?'),(24488,12,2838045,2838815,'Radha','Where do they grow?'),(24489,12,2838815,2840615,'Radha','Under what conditions do they grow?'),(24490,12,2841025,2842705,'Radha','What is needed to grow them?'),(24491,12,2842735,2844345,'Radha','What kind of weather do they need?'),(24492,12,2844375,2845645,'Radha','What are seasonal foods?'),(24493,12,2846195,2856635,'Radha','And then you suddenly discover that and says Gosh, like why do we have chocolate and mozzarella cheese from Bangalore for this urban set of kids?'),(24494,12,2857065,2866175,'Radha','And then you shared your information with the rural kids and then you suddenly realized that their footprint is actually only up to the 25 kilometer away town.'),(24495,12,2866535,2871895,'Radha','And mine is like all the way to Bangalore or the dark chocolate which comes from I don\'t know where, right?'),(24496,12,2872765,2873075,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(24497,12,2873445,2873845,'Radha','Okay.'),(24498,12,2874075,2877945,'Radha','So then you suddenly begin to think that oh this is exhausting.'),(24499,12,2878705,2884295,'Radha','And so to be more sustainable and if I want to keep a smaller footprint, I should be local, eat local vegetables.'),(24500,12,2884825,2886355,'Radha','But oh that is so boring.'),(24501,12,2886365,2888885,'Radha','It\'s only gourds and tomatoes.'),(24502,12,2888885,2891035,'Radha','So that is some realities.'),(24503,12,2891075,2893965,'Radha','But then we started understanding the idea of trade off.'),(24504,12,2897435,2907925,'Radha','And for young children who are about, say, 13, 14, the idea of trade off is a very interesting one because they think it\'s a compromise and not a great thing.'),(24505,12,2907925,2913875,'Radha','But then you begin to then talk about other issues in life and you say actually, everything you do in life is a trade off.'),(24506,12,2913875,2915545,'Radha','And it\'s a good thing.'),(24507,12,2916025,2917395,'Radha','There are no definitives.'),(24508,12,2917985,2918955,'Radha','It\'s not black and white.'),(24509,12,2918955,2924965,'Radha','Everything is you weigh pros and cons and you pick the one with the least cons, right?'),(24510,12,2925495,2926735,'Radha','And so then that\'s a trade off.'),(24511,12,2927135,2935785,'Radha','So when we studied this, we suddenly realized all these relationships of the farmer, the conditions under which the farmer is growing it.'),(24512,12,2936015,2938100,'Radha','And then you had farmers right outside this whole campus.'),(24513,12,2938205,2942685,'Radha','So you actually could go and see how do they grow the paddy or how do they grow the millets.'),(24514,12,2942845,2944215,'Radha','Why should we eat more millets?'),(24515,12,2944755,2948515,'Radha','Because they\'re grown around you and they\'re more water conserving.'),(24516,12,2949045,2952355,'Radha','So then the school menu changed and the kids began eating differently.'),(24517,12,2952715,2955648,'Radha','So that is the systems view of life.'),(24518,12,2955648,2958910,'Radha','When you begin to connect, make the connections, yeah, yeah.'),(24519,12,2958910,2961715,'Suraj','That\'s a very illuminating example.'),(24520,12,2961725,2962815,'Radha','Long story short.'),(24521,12,2963695,2964935,'Suraj','No that\'s very useful.'),(24522,12,2964945,2968505,'Suraj','Have you written anywhere about that, the food project?'),(24523,12,2968635,2970095,'Radha','Yes, I have written.'),(24524,12,2970125,2973335,'Radha','It was a report for a group.'),(24525,12,2973355,2975605,'Radha','But then there is this thing called Sawaliram.'),(24526,12,2976795,2978125,'Radha','I don\'t know if you\'ve come across it.'),(24527,12,2978125,2984135,'Radha','It\'s okay, so in the 70s, there is this science project called Hosangabad Science Project right.'),(24528,12,2984385,2989035,'Radha','Which was about making science education accessible to rural children, really.'),(24529,12,2989235,2996455,'Radha','So it was a lot of the work was in Hindi and they brought out a magazine called Sandarbh, which even comes today.'),(24530,12,2996925,3001245,'Radha','And some excellent science educators came together to make science accessible.'),(24531,12,3001245,3002990,'Radha','This was in the 70s.'),(24532,12,3003345,3005245,'Radha','And then it became Eklavya.'),(24533,12,3006505,3007265,'Suraj','Oh okay.'),(24534,12,3007615,3008105,'Radha','Eklavya Yeah.'),(24535,12,3008605,3016805,'Radha','And then there used to be these postcards in those days where you wrote your question and sent it to Eklavya and you got an answer.'),(24536,12,3017755,3018655,'Radha','So now-'),(24537,12,3018945,3021515,'Suraj','there are some things that we should bring back.'),(24538,12,3021705,3022215,'Radha','I think.'),(24539,12,3022525,3023475,'Suraj','Like some things are actually much better.'),(24540,12,3023885,3023915,'Radha','Yes.'),(24541,12,3023915,3025205,'Radha','So much better.'),(24542,12,3025515,3028855,'Radha','But now, so that was called Sawaliram questions.'),(24543,12,3030205,3036845,'Radha','But now, some of the people have actually created an online version of the Salawiram.'),(24544,12,3037655,3042855,'Radha','S-A-W, just put it into the chat box and as you can actually see it.'),(24545,12,3042875,3045855,'Radha','S-A-W-A-L-I-R-A-M.'),(24546,12,3045865,3046195,'Radha','Sawaliram, yeah.'),(24547,12,3046685,3050385,'Radha','So Sawaliram, it\'s a friend now Jayshree Ramdas.'),(24548,12,3052885,3054625,'Radha','So she had requested.'),(24549,12,3054925,3057275,'Radha','So I\'ve actually written articles on it for them.'),(24550,12,3058215,3058565,'Suraj','Okay.'),(24551,12,3058635,3059565,'Radha','It\'s on their website.'),(24552,12,3059625,3060385,'Radha','Yeah, it\'s on their website.'),(24553,12,3060735,3061935,'Radha','You can see pictures as well.'),(24554,12,3061935,3062418,'Radha','Photographs as well.'),(24555,12,3062525,3063455,'Suraj','All right, super.'),(24556,12,3063455,3066845,'Suraj','I think that\'s a really, really illuminating example.'),(24557,12,3066885,3077515,'Suraj','And this is a sidebar, but I work very closely with Cindy Hmelo-Silver, who is one of the people who talks a lot about and writes about problem based learning.'),(24558,12,3079065,3083685,'Suraj','And her background is in aquatic ecosystems and respiratory therapy.'),(24559,12,3083685,3090615,'Suraj','And it\'s one of the places where like we really get to re-imagine what it actually means to do science education.'),(24560,12,3090615,3102575,'Suraj','This maybe points to why you resist the idea of classifying of what type of [inaudible] . Any sufficiently deep science question becomes-'),(24561,12,3102585,3104065,'Radha','a larger question, exactly.'),(24562,12,3104065,3104415,'Radha','Sure.'),(24563,12,3104415,3104555,'Radha','Absolutely.'),(24564,12,3104555,3109225,'Suraj','And I think your food example starts with a question of ... Well, actually it started as a social question.'),(24565,12,3109225,3110225,'Suraj','Where does our food come from?'),(24566,12,3110225,3110445,'Radha','Correct.'),(24567,12,3110855,3114385,'Suraj','What grows where becomes thinking about what do we eat-'),(24568,12,3114775,3115345,'Radha','exactly.'),(24569,12,3115535,3116745,'... Suraj','As a natural consequence of that question.'),(24570,12,3116945,3118195,'Radha','Exactly, exactly.'),(24571,12,3118945,3124885,'Suraj','But I\'m glad we were just talking about some of these publications because this offers me an opportunity to change the topic entirely.'),(24572,12,3125365,3130285,'Suraj','Earlier, you had talked about your role with I Wonder as one of your key roles.'),(24573,12,3130295,3142125,'Suraj','So for our audience, I think I Wonder is a really ... I\'ve had the chance to look at your article in there and there was, oh now I feel bad, but there was somebody else who we interviewed whose article I had read in I Wonder.'),(24574,12,3142335,3143465,'Suraj','Oh no, it was Deborah.'),(24575,12,3143505,3144535,'Suraj','Deborah had an article.'),(24576,12,3144535,3144825,'Radha','Deborah, of course, yes.'),(24577,12,3144905,3145435,'Radha','Deborah, yes'),(24578,12,3145645,3149165,'Suraj','so it wasn\'t somebody we ... Now I feel really bad.'),(24579,12,3149165,3151425,'Suraj','So maybe you can tell us a little bit about why.'),(24580,12,3151615,3153575,'Suraj','And it\'s a relatively new publication, no'),(24581,12,3153745,3154745,'Radha','yes, it is-'),(24582,12,3154775,3157495,'Suraj','so maybe you can tell us a little bit about it and why?'),(24583,12,3157505,3159435,'Radha','Yeah, 2015, \'14.'),(24584,12,3159585,3161525,'Radha','Sure, actually [crosstalk]'),(24585,12,3161535,3166115,'Radha','.<v Suraj> Why made and for what purpose and who contributes and that kind of thing?'),(24586,12,3166185,3167272,'Radha','Sure, sure no problem.'),(24587,12,3167555,3170185,'Radha','So I Wonder actually started off as a science magazine.'),(24588,12,3170565,3174735,'Radha','And it started off as a popular science magazine for any interested reader, right?'),(24589,12,3175415,3183985,'Radha','But over the last three years, it has actually changed its function to really be ... Three years?'),(24590,12,3184155,3185635,'Radha','No, I think four years actually.'),(24591,12,3185895,3187235,'Radha','But anyway, over the last few years.'),(24592,12,3187785,3193875,'Radha','It has changed its role to become a science magazine for middle and high school teachers.'),(24593,12,3194355,3194795,'Radha','Okay?'),(24594,12,3195305,3207665,'Radha','And in the last two years, we\'ve really narrowed it down even further to be relevant to field teachers, particularly in rural areas and government schools.'),(24595,12,3208465,3209285,'Suraj','So why these'),(24596,12,3209335,3212005,'Radha','because this is Azim Premji University.'),(24597,12,3212005,3220385,'Radha','And Azim Premji University, it really has a very strong mandate of justice, equality and sustainability, right?'),(24598,12,3220895,3237145,'Radha','And they have education research centers in multiple locations in the country, resource centers, education resource centers, where they work with local schools and teachers.'),(24599,12,3237145,3238225,'Radha','Teacher education.'),(24600,12,3238745,3245945,'Radha','And really reducing that inequality which we were just talking about in terms of access to quality education.'),(24601,12,3246535,3250395,'Radha','So in that sense, since that is the mandate at the focus.'),(24602,12,3250395,3264755,'Radha','So all of the magazines that Azim Premji University brings out now increasingly wanting to get more and more focused on addressing the needs of schools and education communities.'),(24603,12,3265495,3282695,'Radha','And so now, we\'ve also changed the composition of the editorial board to include more representation from the field so that we have a much better sense of what is their need?'),(24604,12,3283335,3284805,'Radha','What is it that they\'re looking for?'),(24605,12,3284805,3286625,'Radha','What kind of resources are they looking for?'),(24606,12,3286835,3295695,'Radha','What are the gaps that need to be filled in order to be able to ... So it\'s very exciting because it is ... See earlier, we had scientists.'),(24607,12,3296405,3299625,'Radha','Scientists, educators and mostly scientists contributing.'),(24608,12,3300155,3310955,'Radha','So what happens is that scientists who are excellent, really good at their work and their research, but probably ... And also some of them write very well.'),(24609,12,3311675,3321765,'Radha','But then when it comes to writing for teachers and schools and particularly schools and teachers from these backgrounds.'),(24610,12,3321765,3326615,'Radha','From the much less privileged backgrounds, it\'s a completely different kettle of fish, right?'),(24611,12,3326615,3328655,'Radha','I mean you have to write in a very different way.'),(24612,12,3329555,3336985,'Radha','If you\'re writing on astronomy, et cetera, you have to actually be able to provide information and resources that teachers can use directly.'),(24613,12,3337415,3339755,'Radha','Because they\'re grappling with the curriculum anyway, right?'),(24614,12,3339955,3342385,'Radha','They are under a lot of resource constraints.'),(24615,12,3342395,3355615,'Radha','So now, in fact, this latest issue, issue six, the feedback we\'ve been getting about it is that wow, it\'s got like so many posters and activity sheets and the articles are so accessible.'),(24616,12,3355615,3370495,'Radha','And it\'s about education and pedagogy and this is just really ... So it looks like we\'ve finally slowly and steadily been moving in that direction of it really being a more accessible resource for practicing teachers, yeah.'),(24617,12,3371725,3372505,'Suraj','Okay, great.'),(24618,12,3373665,3379765,'Suraj','Part of why I asked for that is just that I think what I have seen of I Wonder is really wonderful.'),(24619,12,3379815,3397915,'Suraj','And I think, just to zoom out for a little bit, this project that we\'re doing where we\'re doing these interviews and stuff is part of this much larger initiative around ... That started as like how can we get more people from countries that aren\'t well represented in the learning sciences field involved in our team?'),(24620,12,3398275,3407565,'Suraj','Our thinking around the whole issue has really changed over time to become like what have we not been seeing and thinking about that we can talk to be people and learn more about.'),(24621,12,3407565,3410915,'Suraj','And we\'ve been doing these interviews for now, almost two years.'),(24622,12,3411005,3412345,'Suraj','This is off the record.'),(24623,12,3412375,3416140,'Suraj','I mean we\'re otherwise on the record but we\'ll cut it in post.'),(24624,12,3416305,3417185,'Radha','Yeah, exactly.'),(24625,12,3417185,3426495,'Suraj','But our thinking has so changed about ... And even the interview questions that we\'ve brought to people have really changed and to hear more of these stories and things.'),(24626,12,3426495,3441205,'Suraj','And all of that is to say what we\'re really hoping to do is along side these interviews, put up these things that say, \"You know, these North American and white and European communities don\'t have a monopoly on good educational resources.\"'),(24627,12,3441615,3442355,'Radha','that\'s right, that\'s right, that\'s right.'),(24628,12,3442395,3456375,'Suraj','So I think I Wonder is a great example of the kind of super educational resource, something that I think people even in North America and Europe would find really useful in their educational activities, but would never even think to look for.'),(24629,12,3456945,3456995,'Radha','Correct.'),(24630,12,3457355,3459355,'Suraj','So that\'s the kind of thing that we\'re hoping to elevate.'),(24631,12,3459355,3459595,'Radha','Great.'),(24632,12,3459725,3461995,'Radha','Oh that would be ... That\'s an excellent ... Yeah.'),(24633,12,3463465,3467235,'Suraj','So we\'re already at an hour if you can believe.'),(24634,12,3468135,3469395,'Radha','Having a lot of fun clearly.'),(24635,12,3470075,3470185,'Suraj','Yeah.'),(24636,12,3472425,3473005,'Suraj','Well, I am but I don\'t know about you.'),(24637,12,3473005,3478205,'Radha','No, no, but I mean you\'re giving me an opportunity to free float and talk and share my thoughts with you.'),(24638,12,3478475,3486135,'Suraj','Well then you\'ll love this next question, but let me just outline a plan for the next half hour so that we\'re respectful of your time and cut off.'),(24639,12,3486145,3493295,'Suraj','So I think I have one more question that is, I would say, substantial in nature I\'d like to you talk about your theory and all like this.'),(24640,12,3493855,3498415,'Suraj','Then I think I\'ll ask you to give a little bit advice to new researchers.'),(24641,12,3498415,3505725,'Suraj','And then what we\'ll do is in our last few minutes, I\'ll just sort of repeat some of the main questions and give you an opportunity to add anything that you feel like-'),(24642,12,3506265,3507015,'Radha','yeah, yeah.'),(24643,12,3507035,3521485,'Suraj','So the next substantial, last, big question that I want to think about is across your work and even your story today, there really is this sense of place and this idea that you\'ve written about and you were telling in your story with the students.'),(24644,12,3521515,3524475,'Suraj','You walk around and you see what there is….'),(24645,12,3524475,3534265,'Suraj','And in that piece, I think it was in Journal of Krishnamurti Schools where you talked about sitting in the forest for some amount of time and just looking around.'),(24646,12,3534505,3540315,'Suraj','In the learning sciences recently, there has been some really wonderful work around these embodied questions.'),(24647,12,3540315,3542905,'Suraj','Questions about place and place based education.'),(24648,12,3545035,3547885,'Suraj','Or maybe place based education isn\'t the right term for it.'),(24649,12,3547955,3548301,'Radha','Yes, it is.'),(24650,12,3548355,3548995,'Radha','It is, yes.'),(24651,12,3548995,3551415,'Suraj','But I have this question in two parts.'),(24652,12,3551435,3555995,'Suraj','The first part, and I\'ll ask them both and then ask them again so we don\'t go totally off the rails.'),(24653,12,3556095,3556685,'Radha','Sure, sure, sure.'),(24654,12,3556685,3570625,'Suraj','So the first part of the question is just is there anything about this embodied, place based approach that you take that you think, thinking in specifically these Indian contexts, we might be able to learn something new if we focus?'),(24655,12,3570625,3578525,'Suraj','And then the second piece of that is to offer an opportunity to think about what your work has been like in the past few years when it was been online and all like that.'),(24656,12,3578525,3590015,'Suraj','So the first part, what about your work in these Indian contexts around these place based and embodied experiences might we be able to learn from outside of the Indian context?'),(24657,12,3590385,3590925,'Radha','Okay.'),(24658,12,3591045,3593935,'Radha','So one of the things about place based learning.'),(24659,12,3593945,3602305,'Radha','And I really have embraced that term a lot these days because I find it really says what it is.'),(24660,12,3603575,3605595,'Radha','India, of course, with all its diversity.'),(24661,12,3606195,3611155,'Radha','It is so crucial that we do place based learning.'),(24662,12,3611665,3615840,'Radha','Because it is embedded in that social ecological context.'),(24663,12,3616195,3623655,'Radha','And like I said to you earlier, the reason that is important is because children come from very diverse contexts.'),(24664,12,3623755,3630685,'Radha','Even to ... Like you take a government school in say, even in an urban city, right?'),(24665,12,3632055,3632345,'Radha','Or rural.'),(24666,12,3633435,3635435,'Radha','Children come from very diverse contexts.'),(24667,12,3636725,3638895,'Radha','Some children, maybe first generation learners.'),(24668,12,3639015,3645945,'Radha','Their parents are either agricultural labor or are doing some skilled work or the other.'),(24669,12,3646065,3647425,'Radha','Or unskilled work or the other.'),(24670,12,3649075,3652515,'Radha','Or come from farming background.'),(24671,12,3652515,3652575,'Radha','Whatever.'),(24672,12,3653655,3656005,'Radha','But they\'re all coming from diverse contexts, right?'),(24673,12,3656035,3661705,'Radha','And so they\'re coming with ... And then [tribal] adivasi children who are coming from a very different context.'),(24674,12,3661715,3666415,'Radha','So this homogenization of learning.'),(24675,12,3666885,3679505,'Radha','Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child, right?'),(24676,12,3685375,3696745,'Radha','So it does not allow that child to articulate and express themselves without fear.'),(24677,12,3696995,3710335,'Radha','Because you\'re expected to understand , you are in Rayalseema, you don\'t even know what anything looks like.'),(24678,12,3710435,3717075,'Radha','You don\'t even know what the sea looks like but you\'re supposed to understand about Australia and its mineral resources and all of that stuff.'),(24679,12,3717175,3722885,'Radha','Then you\'re supposed to understand about oceans and things.'),(24680,12,3723925,3727145,'Radha','And you have no understanding because you\'ve never even seen an ocean before.'),(24681,12,3727145,3727945,'Radha','You\'ve never seen the sea.'),(24682,12,3727945,3731255,'Radha','You don\'t even know what a beach looks like and then you\'re supposed to understand this.'),(24683,12,3732015,3746127,'Radha','So first and foremost, principles of science, understanding of phenomena around you, it\'s possible to be able to understand all concepts of physics, chemistry, biology by embedding it in that place.'),(24684,12,3746127,3746200,'Radha','Not difficult at all.'),(24685,12,3746200,3767495,'Radha','It is the ability to educators to be able to pull out example from that context which is forcing them to have standardized textbooks and standardized ... So the point here is you could have a framework.'),(24686,12,3767635,3770545,'Radha','So we\'ve tried this once or twice.'),(24687,12,3770895,3773265,'Radha','You have a theme, say water, right?'),(24688,12,3774365,3775495,'Radha','That\'s in your textbook.'),(24689,12,3776185,3777225,'Radha','It\'s in chemistry.'),(24690,12,3777285,3778325,'Radha','It\'s in physics.'),(24691,12,3778545,3779645,'Radha','It\'s in biology.'),(24692,12,3779675,3781165,'Radha','It\'s in history, right?'),(24693,12,3781165,3789755,'Radha','But you pick up the theme of water and then you look around your environment and say okay, what is the ecological significance of water here?'),(24694,12,3789955,3791855,'Radha','I can learn about the properties of water.'),(24695,12,3791855,3796345,'Radha','I can learn about all that, but at the same time I can understand where does water come from?'),(24696,12,3796345,3797725,'Radha','How do I access water?'),(24697,12,3797995,3800015,'Radha','What is the technology is being used?'),(24698,12,3800015,3802355,'Radha','How is energy being used to access water?'),(24699,12,3802695,3806255,'Radha','All of that learning I can do with an understanding of my context.'),(24700,12,3808835,3819765,'Radha','But the advantage of something like this is when you understand it in your context, the ability to address challenges in your context.'),(24701,12,3821655,3823655,'Radha','Get embedded in your head.'),(24702,12,3824625,3829655,'Radha','And when you\'re talking about the future of so much uncertainty, right?'),(24703,12,3830125,3831265,'Radha','Climate uncertainty.'),(24704,12,3832635,3845215,'Radha','Changing environment of technology and particularly information technology and bio technology, then you\'re talking about the jobs of the future are not going to be the same as the jobs of the past.'),(24705,12,3845865,3853325,'Radha','Then you\'re talking about all of these changes and climate change, in itself, which is going to completely change reality of life.'),(24706,12,3854035,3855845,'Radha','How do you cope with this uncertainty?'),(24707,12,3856425,3859225,'Radha','How do you adapt to this uncertainty?'),(24708,12,3859525,3864175,'Radha','How do you build flexibility to adapt to this uncertainty?'),(24709,12,3864175,3871115,'Radha','It is by understanding your context so that you can equip yourself.'),(24710,12,3871475,3875325,'Radha','First and foremost, you build confidence because you\'re using your own information and understanding.'),(24711,12,3875945,3877725,'Radha','And then understanding science through that.'),(24712,12,3877735,3879555,'Radha','Or using principles of science to understand.'),(24713,12,3881565,3885145,'Suraj','There is like a clicking noise just there when you put your hands like that.'),(24714,12,3885145,3885425,'Suraj','All right.'),(24715,12,3885565,3886315,'Suraj','Yeah, that\'s fine.'),(24716,12,3886545,3886835,'Radha','Okay.'),(24717,12,3887685,3895765,'Suraj','[inaudible] if you gesture with that enthusiasm that that shakes so you don\'t have to hold it or anything, but just that particular motion, I think, go on.'),(24718,12,3896435,3900625,'Radha','So then, therefore, the question then is if that if I don\'t.'),(24719,12,3901295,3906765,'Radha','So as far as I can see, the understanding of how to survive in your context.'),(24720,12,3907335,3908565,'Radha','Important, okay.'),(24721,12,3908845,3909808,'Radha','How do you grow food?'),(24722,12,3909808,3913005,'Radha','Because I think all education should definitely involve growing of food.'),(24723,12,3914245,3914865,'Radha','And how do you?'),(24724,12,3914875,3920635,'Radha','Because by growing food, you realize how I can use resources, okay?'),(24725,12,3921545,3925605,'Radha','And that is a very ... Because all of the resources that you need to grow food.'),(24726,12,3925895,3937335,'Radha','Water, land, soil, ecological conditions, ensuring the microbial quality or the soil fertility is ensured through microbial existence in that area.'),(24727,12,3938415,3943155,'Radha','The inter relationships in that soil and ecosystem.'),(24728,12,3943545,3945155,'Radha','So you understand all of that.'),(24729,12,3945225,3950105,'Radha','You understand what can impact life in that ecosystem.'),(24730,12,3950105,3956745,'Radha','So you really begin to understand inter relationships in that given ecosystem.'),(24731,12,3957585,3959575,'Radha','It is intuitive.'),(24732,12,3959575,3966375,'Radha','It builds on your own knowledge of that ecosystem, but you can abstract larger concepts from.'),(24733,12,3970095,3978625,'Radha','So there is a foundation of familiarity, of understanding, from which you can abstract concepts of science, mathematics, whatever it is.'),(24734,12,3980865,3993745,'Suraj','So here I\'ll perhaps refer our readers to that recent piece because in the Journal of Krishnamurtis Schools because I think that the example of students sitting in the forest raises some really, really lovely questions around science education.'),(24735,12,3993745,4009235,'Suraj','But also there\'s such a reality of the kids getting impatient or the dignity of the children raising questions that we could not have predicted or that peacefulness that is a much easier said than done to sit in quiet contemplation of nature and all.'),(24736,12,4010275,4015915,'Suraj','So here I\'ll just refer our students to that, our listeners to that piece.'),(24737,12,4015915,4029075,'Suraj','Do you want to say anything about how you\'re thinking about this issue has, what you\'ve done in practice or how you\'re thinking about place based education has evolved through this COVID period where much of your work has been online?'),(24738,12,4029125,4041105,'Radha','Yeah, actually that\'s a good question to ask because it\'s been a challenge because so much of the work that I\'ve done with children in the last few years has been in the outdoors, right?'),(24739,12,4041685,4045535,'Radha','But I said okay, this is a challenge.'),(24740,12,4045535,4046695,'Radha','Let\'s see how we can do this.'),(24741,12,4046755,4058405,'Radha','And we actually did an online course with a bunch of third grade, fourth grade students and fifth grade actually, to do a nature walk from within your home.'),(24742,12,4059035,4060405,'Radha','So as long you have a window.'),(24743,12,4061145,4064745,'Radha','And it was a five day thing with you had one day.'),(24744,12,4066235,4072210,'Radha','So you had a one day engagement and you had a one day online interaction for an hour and a half.'),(24745,12,4072210,4074775,'Radha','And then they got the next off and then they came back.'),(24746,12,4074775,4077515,'Radha','So every alternate day we had online engagement.'),(24747,12,4078425,4080075,'Radha','And they were given homework to do.'),(24748,12,4080675,4084305,'Radha','And they were basically ... So yeah.'),(24749,12,4085365,4087675,'Radha','So this experience is there in the latest issue of I Wonder.'),(24750,12,4087685,4087725,'Suraj','Oh great.'),(24751,12,4087755,4090475,'Radha','It\'s called Structure and Spontaneity.'),(24752,12,4091425,4093305,'Radha','The paradox of structure and spontaneity.'),(24753,12,4093305,4094405,'Radha','So how much do you structure?'),(24754,12,4094415,4096245,'Radha','How much do you keep spontaneous, right?'),(24755,12,4096715,4101045,'Radha','Because you don\'t want to be telling them what do you.'),(24756,12,4101155,4102515,'Radha','You want them to observe.'),(24757,12,4102515,4103785,'Radha','You want them to become aware.'),(24758,12,4103785,4105195,'Radha','You want them to become sensitive.'),(24759,12,4106055,4111935,'Radha','But at the same time, you want them to develop some science skills of recording, inferring, all of that.'),(24760,12,4113785,4114135,'Radha','So yeah.'),(24761,12,4114135,4119275,'Radha','We were able to do that quite well because they discovered that there is nature indoors.'),(24762,12,4119605,4134315,NULL,'And for this, I mean I used the formats that were given by some friends at NCF, Nature Conservation Fund [https://www.ncf-india.org/education-and-public-engagement/a-nature-learning-framework-for-schools] . And based in Mysore, many of them work in Bangalore.'),(24763,12,4135765,4139645,'Radha','They\'re nature educators, of course, and they had these hidden housemates.'),(24764,12,4139645,4144045,'Radha','They had these bingo sheets and hidden housemates.'),(24765,12,4144045,4149685,'Radha','And so shared those sheets with these children and said go look for spiders and lizard poop in your house.'),(24766,12,4149685,4153885,'Radha','And they did that and so it was incredible and it was possible.'),(24767,12,4154385,4159305,'Radha','And then you suddenly realize, and I said, as long as you have a window in your house, that\'s enough.'),(24768,12,4160695,4165385,'Radha','Because you go to the same window three times a day and look out and see what birds you see.'),(24769,12,4165905,4166605,'Radha','Where do they live?'),(24770,12,4166955,4168095,'Radha','How often do they come?'),(24771,12,4168105,4170305,'Radha','Are they birds on the wire?'),(24772,12,4170305,4171625,'Radha','Are they birds in the tree?'),(24773,12,4172115,4175765,'Radha','So you really begin to ... So the one day they looked at birds.'),(24774,12,4175765,4177035,'Radha','Another day at plants.'),(24775,12,4177405,4183335,'Radha','A third day at, yeah, at insects.'),(24776,12,4183765,4185675,'Radha','And a fourth day, hidden housemates, yeah.'),(24777,12,4186025,4187555,'Radha','Oh yeah, sorry on the third day, hidden housemates.'),(24778,12,4187585,4192465,'Radha','On the fourth day, they grew fungus on chapati and on rice.'),(24779,12,4192475,4196615,'Radha','And I\'m not sure parents were happy, but the kids were.'),(24780,12,4198175,4200205,'Radha','So yeah, it was great fun.'),(24781,12,4200265,4201855,'Radha','And the kids really enjoyed it.'),(24782,12,4202945,4203365,'Radha','Yeah.'),(24783,12,4203685,4206975,'Radha','So we managed, yeah.'),(24784,12,4206975,4220605,'Suraj','Yeah, that creates this really fascinating direction for this place based research in these virtual worlds, I think, will be a very interesting direction of future research.'),(24785,12,4220605,4228015,'Suraj','So at this point, I\'ll, in respect for your time here, pull us into a sort of closing.'),(24786,12,4228015,4231395,'Suraj','So two closings.'),(24787,12,4231425,4242305,'Suraj','The first closing we\'ll keep simple which is what advice do you have to newcomers to environmental education research in the Indian context?'),(24788,12,4242305,4245985,'Suraj','What kinds of things should people be thinking about if they\'re interested in these issues?'),(24789,12,4247615,4262545,'Radha','Okay, so I think when we talk about environmental education research, I think it\'s also important to understand, first and foremost, what is environmental education in an Indian context?'),(24790,12,4263305,4269945,'Radha','One is a broad Indian context, but the other is within India, there is ecological contexts.'),(24791,12,4269945,4273535,'Radha','There\'s geographical contexts and there\'s social contexts.'),(24792,12,4273535,4276565,'Radha','And I think it\'s very important to look at all of these.'),(24793,12,4276765,4281505,'Radha','It can become complex, but I think unless you understand all these dimensions.'),(24794,12,4283795,4286215,'Radha','And when we say social, it\'s just like what we talked about.'),(24795,12,4286885,4288195,'Radha','Caste, religion, political.'),(24796,12,4288355,4289695,'Radha','I mean it\'s ideological.'),(24797,12,4289695,4291375,'Radha','There\'s just so many layers to it.'),(24798,12,4291375,4293615,'Radha','And if we don\'t understand all of that.'),(24799,12,4294285,4297685,'Radha','Because policy is so strongly influenced by all of this, right?'),(24800,12,4297705,4299915,'Radha','I mean the political landscape.'),(24801,12,4300445,4309715,'Radha','And also this idea of a democratic country and what is the democratic structure at a local level?'),(24802,12,4310115,4313955,'Radha','How does that impinge in environmental education?'),(24803,12,4315115,4325015,'Radha','Because if you don\'t understand those structures, then environmental education only becomes environmental science and technology.'),(24804,12,4326355,4331565,'Suraj','Which I think we\'ve covered is not enough.'),(24805,12,4332405,4336135,'Radha','Not enough unfortunately, yes.'),(24806,12,4336135,4336140,'Radha','Yeah.'),(24807,12,4336145,4365325,'Radha','So I would say really to ... And like you said about gender and about ... I think it\'s very important to design environmental education research to understand these multiple dimensions of how they intersect in shaping how the human populations engage with the resources around them.'),(24808,12,4365375,4368068,'Radha','And then how they\'re influenced and how they influence.'),(24809,12,4368068,4372605,'Radha','I think to understand that relationship, it\'s very important to their ... Yeah.'),(24810,12,4373105,4373665,'Radha','I would say.'),(24811,12,4374785,4385425,'Suraj','I would also like to, in closing, give you an opportunity to talk about if you want to speak at all about how COVID-19 has shaped your thinking or your work in the past two years?'),(24812,12,4385425,4389485,'Suraj','I know we talked about this, the implications for virtual things.'),(24813,12,4389485,4393795,'Suraj','But you can also pass on this question, but given the-'),(24814,12,4394395,4399815,'Radha','no, no, it\'s a very serious issue.'),(24815,12,4399825,4409735,'Radha','For me, it really has made me think about what I want to spend the rest of my life, I guess, or my time in education doing.'),(24816,12,4409785,4413340,'Radha','Because there\'s this group that I am very closely engaged in.'),(24817,12,4413535,4416155,'Radha','And these are friends in Telangana and Andhra Pradesh.'),(24818,12,4416155,4419395,'Radha','And we work on the children\'s program together.'),(24819,12,4420715,4432445,'Radha','And you realize, we\'ve just recently been doing some work at trying to understand what are the children, how are the children going to go back to school, right?'),(24820,12,4433085,4434125,'Radha','One and a half years.'),(24821,12,4434805,4438915,'Radha','So literally they have moved from say grade two to grade four.'),(24822,12,4439665,4441685,'Radha','Grade three has disappeared, right?'),(24823,12,4442125,4443725,'Radha','How are these children going to cope?'),(24824,12,4444115,4449665,'Radha','Many of them have not had access to online education because they don\'t have the facilities, right?'),(24825,12,4449945,4452295,'Radha','They don\'t either have access to a telephone.'),(24826,12,4452845,4454935,'Radha','Forget the laptop, even to a mobile phone.'),(24827,12,4455265,4457625,'Radha','And if they do, then there isn\'t stable internet.'),(24828,12,4458255,4462145,'Radha','And there is one phone in the family, I mean all of the infrastructure challenges.'),(24829,12,4463395,4464555,'Radha','So that\'s one.'),(24830,12,4464575,4469105,'Radha','Now how do these children, and many of the children have forgotten to read.'),(24831,12,4469675,4470335,'Radha','How to write.'),(24832,12,4470445,4470455,'Radha','Numeracy.'),(24833,12,4474555,4480805,'Radha','So with these challenges, what science are you going to do when we talk about science education, right?'),(24834,12,4481695,4482905,'Radha','So where do you begin?'),(24835,12,4483125,4485005,'Radha','How do you work with teachers?'),(24836,12,4486645,4490485,'Radha','How do equip teachers with the ability to cope with these kind of gaps?'),(24837,12,4491455,4492955,'Radha','Now this is COVID-19, right?'),(24838,12,4493265,4499011,'Radha','But I am seeing as we go into the future, there are going to be a lot of disruptions.'),(24839,12,4499011,4500155,'Radha','There is climate change.'),(24840,12,4500165,4502325,'Radha','If somebody is stuck in a flood prone area.'),(24841,12,4503835,4508085,'Radha','If you have to migrate and move away from flooding, coastal cities, right?'),(24842,12,4508505,4516545,'Radha','And it\'s always that section of society which it\'s going to hit which gets hit all the time because they don\'t have access to power and to facilities.'),(24843,12,4517595,4519235,'Radha','They don\'t have access to power.'),(24844,12,4519265,4522965,'Radha','They are not powerful enough to be able to access their facilities or their resources.'),(24845,12,4522985,4526505,'Radha','So it\'s always going to be those marginalized communities.'),(24846,12,4526645,4532075,'Radha','So how are we going to shape and change our education system or transform it?'),(24847,12,4532475,4535905,'Radha','Or make it flexible enough to accommodate all of this?'),(24848,12,4536975,4551235,'Radha','So that\'s something that I\'ve really been thinking about very strongly and how do we all, as maybe not in that formal teaching system of government schools, how do we support the teachers as educators?'),(24849,12,4551235,4559545,'Radha','Or as people who are clearly interested in this ... Who feel very strongly about the need for the right education.'),(24850,12,4560855,4563295,'Radha','Because for me, this is sustainable education seriously.'),(24851,12,4563295,4577715,'Radha','And if we don\'t do this, if we don\'t get all these children equipped with the ability to be able to educate themselves, then forget about place based and forget about pedagogy, right?'),(24852,12,4578425,4584145,'Radha','And if you can\'t even get them to read and write and there\'s been a huge setback.'),(24853,12,4584405,4585460,'Radha','I mean there is a massive population of children in India who lost out.'),(24854,12,4585460,4597130,'Radha','Yeah, so that, for me, is really a big thing as the fall out of COVID.'),(24855,12,4597385,4601065,'Radha','All the children of these migrants who have been displaced.'),(24856,12,4601065,4603165,'Radha','And so yeah.'),(24857,12,4603855,4606545,'Radha','And how do you do that with small libraries?'),(24858,12,4606545,4608745,'Radha','How do you build public libraries and get access?'),(24859,12,4608755,4614275,'Radha','So that the next time something like this happens, can they go to a public library and be provided?'),(24860,12,4614275,4626375,'Radha','Like in Kerala, television sets have been installed in remote villages and the government actually did set up education programs through the television.'),(24861,12,4627265,4634935,'Radha','So even if you don\'t have access to internet, et cetera, recorded videos were cast on television.'),(24862,12,4634935,4642945,'Radha','So the children will watch it and in the community center, where you could organize them to have enough physical distance between themselves.'),(24863,12,4644975,4655315,'Radha','So yeah, so I\'m really ... That\'s something that\'s been ... Yeah, in my head.'),(24864,12,4655325,4661175,'Suraj','Yeah, your point that we will have disruptions in the future really gets to me.'),(24865,12,4661215,4671445,'Suraj','And I think what a shame it will be if and when these disruptions happen and we turn out to have not really learned anything from this tremendous disruption.'),(24866,12,4681065,4748325,'Radha','Yeah, yeah, exactly.'),(25127,1,580,1360,'Shailaja','Okay, wonderful.'),(25128,1,1930,2340,'Shailaja','Okay.'),(25129,1,2710,8650,'Shailaja','So first I want to thank you for this project.'),(25130,1,8670,24940,'Shailaja','I think it is very important that we talk about our work and the research teaching, and social justice, and activism work there too.'),(25131,1,26520,30360,'Shailaja','Scholars like me are engaged in and make it accessible.'),(25132,1,30469,40350,'Shailaja','I think that is very important and that is a reason I was very excited about what you\'re trying to do with your project.'),(25133,1,41430,44930,'Shailaja','So thanks for that, it\'s a very good initiative.'),(25134,1,46170,73479,'Shailaja','About myself, I\'m a scholar activist and I am devoted to studying the actions, lives, experiences and ideas of marginalized communities, especially Dalits and Dalit women in South Asia.'),(25135,1,73940,99040,'Shailaja','And I center them in my work so that I can of course, through their ideas work towards an anticaste, anti-racial, anti-untouchability and anti-patriarchal scholarship-activism.'),(25136,1,99220,115720,'Shailaja','This agenda has been at the core of my scholarly activist work for the last 25 years of my life.'),(25137,1,117200,127320,'Shailaja','I published a book on Dalit Women\'s Education In Modern India Double Discrimination in 2014.'),(25138,1,127370,134183,'Shailaja','And I have published several articles in prestigious international journals.'),(25139,1,134210,146890,'Shailaja','My second book is coming out with Stanford Press, and it focuses on the politics of caste, class, gender, sexuality and popular culture in Maharashtra.'),(25140,1,149070,173423,'Shailaja','I am writing the first social and intellectual history of Tamasha a popular art form and secular public theatre in Maharashtra.'),(25141,1,173590,179769,'Shailaja','I am a historian, but I also work as an anthropologist and a social scientist, and I conduct a oral history interviews.'),(25142,1,179769,193320,'Shailaja','I love to work with people, the community, I like to interact with people who I am writing about and thinking with.'),(25143,1,193750,208179,'Shailaja','So I spend a lot of time in the field to do that and I do not just sit in the library or in an ivory tower writing about people in the past or in the present.'),(25144,1,209859,212840,'Shailaja','Such an interactive methodology is at the core of my work.'),(25145,1,217790,241829,'Vishesh','So to draw a bit on the history of how you ended up focusing on this, are there specific experiences you would want to highlight or surface in the context of your education work journey that motivated you to choose these focuses?'),(25146,1,249369,265149,'Shailaja','I started my academic journey with the Indian Council of Social Sciences and Research and Ford International Fellowship Program to work on my MPhil and then eventually my PhD.'),(25147,1,266030,270479,'Shailaja','And I was thinking about research topics.'),(25148,1,270840,279739,'Shailaja','I came across a significant gap in the available knowledge about Dalit women.'),(25149,1,280429,317660,'Shailaja','And most importantly, I also saw that there was a huge gap between the qualitative and quantitative information that was available I found that there was some quantitative information on Dalit\'s education and especially Dalit women\'s education in terms of figures or graphs, some bar diagrams, percentages and so on, but what was missing was qualitative information.'),(25150,1,319190,336350,'Shailaja','The stories, the actual experiences, the ideas of women were missing in the available literature and scholarly evaluation of education of Dalits especially.'),(25151,1,336900,341130,'Shailaja','And that is what was really intriguing to me.'),(25152,1,345040,368600,'Shailaja','But of course at the same time I have been trained in history, so that meant that I would also have to look at the archival materials in the past to gain an understanding about Dalit women\'s access and the process of education that I was interested in.'),(25153,1,369080,384969,'Shailaja','So that was another challenge I have to say, because the archives are very biased towards certain communities and especially women, and on top of that Dalit women, and that was a challenging task.'),(25154,1,385500,396900,'Shailaja','So I had to think about innovative ways in which I could still write about the histories of the Dalit women\'s education.'),(25155,1,397230,406409,'Shailaja','So I had to make some strategic decisions about the topic that I was going to study.'),(25156,1,407190,412290,'Shailaja','These were some of the challenges that I had to think through.'),(25157,1,412859,423610,'Shailaja','And the third and the most important thing was, I am a Dalit woman myself, I am a Dalit woman scholar.'),(25158,1,427240,443459,'Shailaja','When I started my research in the late 1990s, I felt that this was the way in which I could understand my community and myself better.'),(25159,1,443900,462229,'Shailaja','So yes, I was reading and I was interacting with people, but at the same time an analytical and scholarly journey would really allow me to deeply understand and connect with the community.'),(25160,1,462530,472137,'Shailaja','And that is where I felt that my research could be a very fantastic tool advancing towards my goals.'),(25161,1,472137,485010,'Shailaja','And that is how I started working on it and it helped me return to the community, and reconnect with the community at a very deep level.'),(25162,1,485589,497409,'Shailaja','So that is the reason I chose to work on Dalit history and especially Dalit women for these reasons.'),(25163,1,497409,520810,'Shailaja','And then also the current, the contemporary research was really lacking the analytical strength and perspective to understand the double discrimination as I call it, of Dalit women on lines of caste and gender.'),(25164,1,521419,532660,'Shailaja','And these are some of the reasons why I chose to work on Dalit women.'),(25165,1,533250,541250,'Vishesh','This makes me think of two to three different sets of thoughts, but do you want to speak about...'),(25166,1,541670,543930,'Vishesh','Then our first question on...'),(25167,1,544450,550050,'Vishesh','And I think some of it is implicitly answered in your personal life and experience, and community.'),(25168,1,550050,562990,'Vishesh','But, with respect to how you position your work or the word you choose for writing to the public, what are your choices around the vocabulary you use?'),(25169,1,563340,569560,'Vishesh','What are your feelings around identifying solidarity as “Dalit women” versus “Bahujan women and folks”?'),(25170,1,569650,582510,'Vishesh','And are there specific terms you use and specific terms you avoid, and recommendations that you would have?'),(25171,1,582990,600579,'Shailaja','The politics of naming is very tense and that\'s what when I was writing my dissertation really, I was a part of a conversation, very intense and these were very tense moments.'),(25172,1,600990,608920,'Shailaja','And I changed from Dalits to “Scheduled Castes” and then back to Dalits and so on.'),(25173,1,610609,623300,'Shailaja','And I had a chapter in my dissertation talking about these terms and I wrote about it, and I published an article in 2011, it sounds really old, but it\'s very relevant and it\'s being taught in classrooms and is read widely.'),(25174,1,623690,630569,'Shailaja','It\'s about Mahar–Dalit–Buddhist, the history and politics of naming in Maharashtra.'),(25175,1,631180,639520,'Shailaja','So naming is very important and I use the word “untouchable” as it is used in contemporary sources.'),(25176,1,639900,642870,'Shailaja','So historically for example, if when Dalits.'),(25177,1,643520,649490,'Shailaja','and untouchable, and Ambedkar use the word untouchable, I would use it.'),(25178,1,649550,663160,'Shailaja','But mostly I use the word Dalit, which is in global currency today and it has historical political and social significance.'),(25179,1,663210,665500,'Shailaja','And that is the reason I continue to use the word.'),(25180,1,666230,685140,'Shailaja','However, I have to say that I mean, just myself, my grandmother, my parents and just tracking my journey, and myself, we have all used different terms to identify ourselves and identify our communities.'),(25181,1,690540,717370,'Shailaja','I also see for example, my daughter, this is just sharing my personal life, but she has a bracelet on her hand which says “untouchable.” So she\'s very proud to reclaim and basically and assert her identity, so that also is immense.'),(25182,1,717750,747269,'Shailaja','And following Ambedkar, who argue that labels are very important and he used the word Untouchable with a capital U and he says, that is really a term, instead of running away from the term, you can assert it with a capital U and that really forces the oppressor to recognize the problem and the discrimination.'),(25183,1,747599,748900,'Shailaja','So might as well just use it.'),(25184,1,749460,750539,'Shailaja','So I am fine.'),(25185,1,750599,757079,'Shailaja','I and myself, I\'m comfortable with the word untouchable, but I use the word Dalit as it was used by Ambedkar, the Dalit Panthers, and is used globally in contemporary times, and in the past.'),(25186,1,757079,763830,NULL,'I published an article on the term “Dalit” in thewire.in and available at https://thewire.in/caste/what-b-r-ambedkar-thought-of-the-word-dalit'),(25187,1,764309,765799,'Vishesh','Nice, thank you for sharing.'),(25188,1,766369,779662,'Vishesh','Yeah, that feels incredibly valuable for many of us to pick up and hold with sense, hold and try to understand.'),(25189,1,779662,782350,'Vishesh','Where can we go at next?'),(25190,1,782580,791489,'Vishesh','So you to some extent mentioned your work in education and also some aspects of the geographic situation.'),(25191,1,791940,804039,'Vishesh','Are there things you\'d want to highlight more about your body of work in education, especially your goals, theories, methods, research questions, and choices of locations?'),(25192,1,804870,820050,'Shailaja','When I started my work on education I wanted to understand the access and the process of education for Dalit women.'),(25193,1,820050,829220,'Shailaja','And especially for these girls and women who were not allowed access to any kind of knowledge and learning for centuries.'),(25194,1,829480,840630,'Shailaja','And it is only with the social and the political reform movements from the middle towards the end of the 19th century that we see many Dalits and Bahujan accessing education.'),(25195,1,840880,846070,'Shailaja','So I really wanted to understand what this access meant for these communities.'),(25196,1,846080,866589,'Shailaja','What was the process like for these girls to enter schools where they were not wanted, where they were not welcomed, where they were discriminated against and had to really face very torturous experiences when they were trying to seek education.'),(25197,1,866890,869240,'Shailaja','So that was the goal.'),(25198,1,869600,890970,'Shailaja','And for this as I said, as a historian it was very difficult to have any archival material because unlike dominant castes, unlike the privileged class, Dalits do not have any recorded histories in the archives.'),(25199,1,891250,897730,'Shailaja','And that is why I said that the archives are very biased towards women and towards marginalized communities like Dalits.'),(25200,1,898270,905410,'Shailaja','And so I had to work with oral histories, so that\'s how I tried to...'),(25201,1,905810,918779,'Shailaja','Yes, whatever was available in the archive I juxtaposed that with oral narratives of women and who, I spent a long time talking with them about their journeys of education.'),(25202,1,919990,928439,'Shailaja','And then I had three generations of women where I could compare their stories and their experiences.'),(25203,1,928800,944130,'Shailaja','So for example, I interviewed a woman, she passed away long back, but she was in her mid \'80s or maybe early \'80s and then she talked about her school and her college in the 1930s.'),(25204,1,944809,960920,'Shailaja','She was the first one to attend a college in Pune and oh, she talked about her experience as it was absolutely wonderful to be able to get to the 1930s through this woman\'s voice.'),(25205,1,961140,974850,'Shailaja','And it is very rare as I said, she was the first Dalit woman and she was the only Dalit woman in that space, and the hurdles and challenges that she had to face while seeking education.'),(25206,1,975170,981699,'Shailaja','So that method was very, very important.'),(25207,1,982230,992940,'Shailaja','So bringing together the materials in the archives, in the libraries and the oral histories, and juxtaposing those different kinds of archives.'),(25208,1,992940,998860,'Shailaja','And that is one of the most unique aspects of my work, where I bring together the oral and the written.'),(25209,1,999160,1006179,'Shailaja','So that\'s one, second is my work with vernacular Marathi sources.'),(25210,1,1006760,1019660,'Shailaja','So we know that Dalits and Bahujans, they were not educated in an English medium or did not know much about the English language and did not write or speak the language.'),(25211,1,1019670,1027379,'Shailaja','So they used and continue to use the vernacular, doesn\'t matter if it\'s Tamil, or Hindi, or Marathi, or Bangla and so on and so forth.'),(25212,1,1027720,1045939,'Shailaja','And so it is the vernacular that really is, I would say, the backbone of my work because that provides the vocabulary of a very specific local regional context.'),(25213,1,1046500,1062809,'Shailaja','That is the language that Dalits have used and that helped me understand the experiences of these women, and the ways they articulated their lives and their ideas.'),(25214,1,1063139,1095780,'Shailaja','And the third is also bringing together theories from yes, emerging from the Dalits’ location and the larger South Asian location, as well as from the north, and the east, and the west as we call them, but making, connecting them in a way that will help us understand the lives of marginalized communities and Dalit women for my purposes.'),(25215,1,1095780,1113970,'Shailaja','So I brought together these new methods and these theories and for example, reading Foucault and theorists of education such as Paulo Freire and Gramsci or Giroux and so on.'),(25216,1,1114090,1118630,'Shailaja','But reading them with Phule, Ambedkar, Dalit radicals, and Dalit women.'),(25217,1,1119160,1135340,'Shailaja','There are some speeches or even sometimes these are not long essays, but maybe some lines here and there, or some paragraphs that Dalit women, that their speeches were quoted in these newspapers.'),(25218,1,1135860,1146699,'Shailaja','So bringing together these different theories, and frameworks, and methods to understand Critical Dalit pedagogy.'),(25219,1,1147889,1172446,NULL,'That these are the ways in which I have tried to work, I\'ve adopted these different strategies to understand Critical Dalit pedagogy and I also recently published an article about it in the wire.in available at https://thewire.in/caste/what-dalit-people-taught-us-about-education-and-why-we-must-commit-to-it'),(25220,1,1172460,1177106,'Vishesh','This makes me think of a question we did not write out.'),(25221,1,1177210,1181330,'Vishesh','If you want to think about that separately, we can come back to this question.'),(25222,1,1181330,1209370,'Vishesh','But especially when you mentioned Dalit pedagogy, I want to know if you have a set of thoughts about what are critical ways to reconceptualize what is valuable learning and education itself, and processes of education from your work in synthesizing these different, both scholarship, histories, and thinking about what does learning itself mean?'),(25223,1,1209370,1236930,'Vishesh','We know in many levels that skill level and language learning have different affordances and shortcomings, and there\'s the whole context of NEP 2020 also…A few aspects of the discourse I have heard about are regional language learning is likely going to weaken marginalized communities access to dominant ways of education and so on, of engaging.'),(25224,1,1237080,1240980,'Vishesh','So yeah, do you have any sets of thoughts?'),(25225,1,1242230,1255570,'Shailaja','Yeah, I think it\'s mainly are the ones again, coming from my historical work and looking at what Dalit themselves have said about the education they want, I think is very, very important.'),(25226,1,1256360,1270289,'Shailaja','So just going back 150 years tells us a lot about what Dalits had to say about their ideas of education., and that is what exactly what I\'m tracking in the book.'),(25227,1,1270700,1286659,'Shailaja','So for example, when Ambedkar, he argues that education for Dalits is not merely about entering schools, and I have this in my book about his ideas of education.'),(25228,1,1286980,1298540,'Shailaja','So for him, Dalit education is not only for entering schools or getting degrees, but it is mainly a tool to fight caste.'),(25229,1,1299270,1303400,'Shailaja','It is a tool to fight oppression and discrimination that Dalits face.'),(25230,1,1304150,1311150,'Shailaja','It is a tool for Dalits to seek self-respect, dignity, and self-reliance.'),(25231,1,1311559,1331850,'Shailaja','And this is very significant, so education is not merely for gaining degrees or getting employment, but it has a significant potential for fighting systemic oppression.'),(25232,1,1332279,1344970,'Shailaja','And that is something that is very unique that we see and but this is what I see where Critical Dalit Pedagogy is heading.'),(25233,1,1350590,1352410,'Shailaja','Please look up my essay I mentioned earlier.'),(25234,1,1352410,1352600,'Vishesh','Nice.'),(25235,1,1352970,1367470,'Vishesh','Taking half a step back to the last question then we were thinking about, would you have other specific short models, thinkers, theories or schools of thought that you would like to highlight as key influences for your work, I\'m thinking?'),(25236,1,1368230,1369230,'Shailaja','Yeah, definitely.'),(25237,1,1369230,1387540,'Shailaja','So I know as I was mentioning with Paulo Freire, Gramci, Ambedkar, Phule, for my purposes and most importantly, Black Feminist Thought.'),(25238,1,1388020,1419120,'Shailaja','So when I was thinking about Dalit women suppression and the double discrimination on lines of caste and gender, I have also tried to make some conversations, initiate and build some conversations between the politics of race in the US and caste in India, as it has affected Dalit women and African American women.'),(25239,1,1419420,1432849,'Shailaja','So Black Feminist Politics was a very important, it provided me very important tools to think through the specific oppression of Dalit women.'),(25240,1,1433150,1441300,'Shailaja','And so scholars like Patricia Hill Collins, bell hooks who passed away unfortunately recently.'),(25241,1,1441620,1480800,'Shailaja','So I have really benefited from reading their work as well as other Black thinkers like Sylvia Wynter and Achille Mbembe who write about Black humanism] . So it has been very generative to think through these different works, to understand the lives of the marginalized.'),(25242,1,1480800,1497440,'Shailaja','And I continue to do that, so my second book also has a very important section on reading and thinking through Ambedkar and Black theorists.'),(25243,1,1497980,1502330,'Shailaja','So these are some of the ways in which I have tried to work on.'),(25244,1,1506719,1507029,'Vishesh','Yeah.'),(25245,1,1507029,1519899,'Vishesh','And that reminds me of, if you wanted to specifically talk a bit more about, I noticed that you use humanism and womanism as framing values and I think this was a three years ago seminar.'),(25246,1,1520429,1537390,'Vishesh','What are your thoughts around, what are the features that gives you and what were its …shortcomings might be too a negative framing, but what are the affordances and limitations of using those framings?'),(25247,1,1537720,1547539,'Vishesh','Are there other frameworks you thought about, you looked at and you were like, these don\'t add much value?'),(25248,1,1547549,1548810,'Shailaja','You\'re right.'),(25249,1,1553169,1560620,'Shailaja','. Once again, as I was mentioning about bridging or building bridges between the two communities, Blacks and Dalits.'),(25250,1,1560800,1572550,'Shailaja','And in 2016, I wrote an article on building solidarities, it\'s called Building Bridges and Articulating Solidarities between African American and Dalit Women.'),(25251,1,1573010,1578460,'Shailaja','And that is where I lay out a framework of connecting these two communities.'),(25252,1,1578849,1594539,'Shailaja','And yes, the context and the social, and the cultural differences are very significant, but at the same time we can certainly draw some parallels between the two communities and try to understand the oppressions.'),(25253,1,1594539,1608129,'Shailaja','And I think this global exchange really helps us to get a little deeper into the lived experiences of these disadvantaged communities.'),(25254,1,1608360,1618470,'Shailaja','And most important there has been a dialogue between the two communities since even the earlier, the mid 19th century, so there\'s a long history to it.'),(25255,1,1618770,1623100,'Shailaja','However, there is no conversation between the women and that is what I was trying to do.'),(25256,1,1623440,1652090,'Shailaja','So in 2016, that article was very, very important and those conversations and then thinking through Ambedkar, I saw I mean, that the limitations of conventional feminism are something that need to be teased out.'),(25257,1,1652490,1660820,'Shailaja','So I\'ve continued to build on my work and that is where I\'m seeing that the vocabularies that Dalits have actually used.'),(25258,1,1661070,1672850,'Shailaja','So for example, talking in Marathi when Dalits talk about the concept of the human or manus or Ambedkar talks about this idea of manuski , which is basically dignified humanity.'),(25259,1,1673549,1675280,'Shailaja','It\'s humanity to become human.'),(25260,1,1675760,1690100,'Shailaja','And so when I\'m thinking about this, that is where I see the word womanism and yes, it\'s bell hooks.'),(25261,1,1690100,1707230,'Shailaja','And I think about that and then I think about Ambedkar\'s use of the word manuski] , and that is where I came up with this category of womanism, humanism, which is more capacious for Dalits.'),(25262,1,1707570,1744169,'Shailaja','And it allows them to work on a broader framework and praxis to think through self-respect and self-reliance, their ideas of dignity and what it is to be a human and a human being when they have not been allowed to even, they\'re considered not human enough, they\'re considered that they\'re not even a woman enough.'),(25263,1,1744839,1759490,'Shailaja','So they are trying to push against these frameworks of dominant privileged castes as well as, during the colonial times, the colonial government.'),(25264,1,1765410,1771520,'Shailaja','That is how I brought it together to articulate this idea of womanism, humanism.'),(25265,1,1771900,1785580,'Shailaja','And most importantly, once again, it is Dalit women who are creating it, it is Dalit radicals who are proposing these thoughts.'),(25266,1,1786030,1804149,'Shailaja','So they also talk about this, they also push against the double patriarchy as I call it, both the private inside Dalit homes, as well as the public when they are talking about upper castes and patriarchy.'),(25267,1,1804530,1815040,'Shailaja','So it is these concepts and these ideas that really help us understand even more as to know what Dalit women were fighting against.'),(25268,1,1819300,1829980,'Vishesh','That makes me think and a recurring thought for me when I was seeing you talk about double discrimination and conceptualizing Dalit women\'s oppression across multiple axis.'),(25269,1,1830170,1849179,'Vishesh','This I think has to do a lot with my own education experience the terms here and being younger and hearing the vocabulary nowadays, but was there thinking behind not using the language of intersectionality or matrix of oppression, or other frameworks like that, or do you do that and I just missed it possibly?'),(25270,1,1849349,1852099,'Shailaja','Yeah, I do that throughout my work.'),(25271,1,1852409,1852809,'Vishesh','Oh, I\'m sorry.'),(25272,1,1852809,1858890,'Shailaja','Intersectionality has been very central and that is the reason in the going back to Black Feminist Politics.'),(25273,1,1859280,1867320,'Shailaja','I think, just it really helped me understand the double oppression of Dalit women.'),(25274,1,1867320,1891280,'Shailaja','So it has been there throughout, but there have also been ways in which I am expanding it and extending it by, for example, looking at how reformers and radicals in the Indian context have articulated these intersectional oppressions.'),(25275,1,1891290,1906299,'Shailaja','So we know that the word intersectionality is really overused and it is in fashion and so on, but at the same time really understanding how then it\'s understood their oppression.'),(25276,1,1906590,1923400,'Shailaja','Yes, that the framework helps you to see how it exactly happened and so I think that is what I get to how they\'re co-constituting and how this oppression is registering at multiple levels.'),(25277,1,1923400,1938910,'Vishesh','Are there any highlights you would want to surface as to what is unique about the double discrimination conceptualization you are doing, in contrast with Black Feminist literature and thinking?'),(25278,1,1948850,1952700,'Shailaja','Over the last twenty-five years, I have developed, revised, and deepened my work and my thought on intersectionality.'),(25279,1,1961320,1974039,'Shailaja','I see that it\'s not just adding layers of discrimination, but as I just said, as to looking at how they\'re co-constituting and how we can think of conjugated oppression.'),(25280,1,1974039,1984000,'Shailaja','And we are able to understand how the oppression is taking place on deeper lines.'),(25281,1,1984560,1994220,'Shailaja','So if we can think about that in that manner, I think that is more helpful.'),(25282,1,1995780,1996039,'Vishesh','All right.'),(25283,1,1997650,2015849,'Vishesh','Moving a bit sideways, that is a bit less theoretical, from your study what or do you currently believe are the most critical issues regarding the learning experiences of Dalit women in Indian, in South Asia, especially across ages and environments?'),(25284,1,2016580,2022600,'Vishesh','What do you think about youth and schools, homes and other spaces like playgrounds to adults and families, homes and night schools?'),(25285,1,2023330,2023540,'Shailaja','Yeah.'),(25286,1,2024440,2035479,'Shailaja','So first I have to emphasize, I\'m not a scholar of education studies, it just happened that my first book was on education and that was very, very important.'),(25287,1,2035790,2039840,'Shailaja','The book is taught in classrooms in different parts of the world.'),(25288,1,2040060,2045509,'Shailaja','It is also used by activists because I have some important statistics in there.'),(25289,1,2045950,2056009,'Shailaja','I also have historical data that shows us how discrimination took place for example, in a particular village school in rural Maharashtra.'),(25290,1,2056389,2060210,'Shailaja','And just that\'s a different ways in which it manifested.'),(25291,1,2060489,2074085,'Shailaja','I think that it\'s absolutely brilliant to understand and to see what is happening in the 21st century, and has its roots so much in what happened hundred and fifty years ago in the past.'),(25292,1,2074085,2099962,'Shailaja','And some things have changed, but at the same time, you see recurrent forms and even deeper, different manifestations of caste, class, and gender discrimination in a variety of locations.'),(25293,1,2099962,2109520,'Shailaja','There has been much change, the enrollment numbers have changed, many are able to access education, but at the same time, my research reveals that many are left out.'),(25294,1,2109520,2131980,'Shailaja','And so especially, I need to point this out because the government and many untouchables, upper castes, and agencies are talking about how the numbers, literacy rates are very high and very impressive, but at the same time Dalits are left out and the process has been very challenging for them.'),(25295,1,2132480,2135809,'Shailaja','And this is what my interviews revealed.'),(25296,1,2136210,2155100,'Shailaja','Also, we know about the big hullabaloo around reservations and when upper castes and the state is talking about reservations for women who I interviewed, also mentioned that they were...'),(25297,1,2155930,2158780,'Shailaja','I\'m talking about as I said, for three generations of women.'),(25298,1,2159410,2167210,'Shailaja','So most of the women in the first generation mentioned that they had no idea about any concessions being given.'),(25299,1,2167569,2185129,'Shailaja','So yes, many in the second or the third generation were aware of them, but in the first, women were not aware that they could get some scholarships or some support or bags, or dress, or they did not have books.'),(25300,1,2185440,2190450,'Shailaja','So you clearly see as to how they had to face these numerous challenges.'),(25301,1,2190790,2210539,'Shailaja','And on top of that the social environment, so we also see that women in these different generations could not form friendships across caste barriers and that story is so relevant even in the 21st century.'),(25302,1,2211690,2237279,'Shailaja','They also talked about how even their home environment at times, yes, it has changed, but at the same time, they continue to be challenges that they have to keep pushing against and how patriarchy is still quite a dominant feature that they have to keep fighting against.'),(25303,1,2237670,2271189,'Shailaja','And they also talked about as to how certain people have moved on and that\'s where I have a chapter in my book on middle-classes as to how they have benefited from reservations and they have been able to move up socially and upwardly mobile, but the majority of Dalits, they have a long way to go.'),(25304,1,2280320,2309250,'Vishesh','The part that I\'m interested in, but I don\'t know the right way to think about the idea that…you\'re not the authority on education policy or so on, as you\'re saying, but from your studies and from your talking to these people, do you feel like the strongest potential is still in policy change and structural change?'),(25305,1,2311050,2323555,'Vishesh','And do you think that is at the level of like, what everyone is educated about with respect to caste issues, or is it about changing policies at the teacher level, at the classroom level or something else?'),(25306,1,2323750,2330060,'Vishesh','What are your instincts around these different ways that there have been attempts, but all of these attempts have shortcomings?'),(25307,1,2330060,2348400,'Shailaja','So it just exactly underlines what I spoke just now, the insights of these women really talk to the changes that could be made in education policies.'),(25308,1,2348400,2373499,'Shailaja','I\'m a historian, I focus on education for a number of years, so what I\'m bringing to light are the experiences of Dalit women themselves, who are providing us clues to make changes on both individual level as well as the policy level.'),(25309,1,2373859,2389000,'Shailaja','And so whatever I mentioned right now, so for example, making sure that the benefits or the concessions that are provided from the top are really reaching the people.'),(25310,1,2390259,2395950,'Shailaja','Because women complain that they were not aware or they did not get these benefits.'),(25311,1,2396020,2402010,'Shailaja','Or for example, yes, one scholarship was announced, but they got this only after they may have graduated.'),(25312,1,2402250,2404410,'Shailaja','So that was of no use, right.'),(25313,1,2405330,2419910,'Shailaja','Women could not really avail of those benefits at the right time and that really points out to the loopholes in the system, and that tells us as to the kind of work that needs to go into this.'),(25314,1,2419910,2435920,'Shailaja','These are some of the things that have been really vocalized by women themselves.'),(25315,1,2437799,2438040,'Vishesh','Nice.'),(25316,1,2440790,2443044,'Shailaja','Or, like changes in textbooks for or...'),(25317,1,2443059,2461512,'Shailaja','For example first, is a policy that the women were not able to access textbooks, or they were so poor that they were buying second or third hand textbooks, materials.'),(25318,1,2461512,2467449,'Shailaja','And they were in such a bad shape that they were not even able to read the script in the textbook..'),(25319,1,2467710,2489799,'Shailaja','And also, changes in the textbook and we are aware of the big politics as to how textbooks have really changed over times, how the majoritarian Hindu politics is affecting textbooks and at school, right from the elementary levels.'),(25320,1,2490170,2524980,'Shailaja','And so making sure that there are no drastic changes to these stories, making sure that the textbook is really inclusive of histories of Dalits and Bahujan communities, and women, and not any random politics that is affecting these stories.'),(25321,1,2525000,2542319,'Shailaja','So we have to make sure that this is done, so that students are better educated and that they\'re better informed about history and the politics, and the different social, and political, and religious reform movements.'),(25322,1,2542670,2567709,'Shailaja','This change has to take place at different levels– right from the top policy makers and educational institutions, as well as individual lives, where women, people are making friends or the communities they are located in, their home environment, all of that.'),(25323,1,2569130,2579000,'Shailaja','We have to see that we are working on different and multiple levels in order to talk about change.'),(25324,1,2584170,2585400,'Vishesh','That\'s super, thank you so much.'),(25325,1,2587620,2601020,'Vishesh','And vaguely moving towards our last few closing questions, through your journey in doing this work, what have been high key moments of surprise or intrigue?'),(25326,1,2603480,2605350,'Shailaja','A lot.'),(25327,1,2606379,2608509,'Shailaja','But let me see, I\'ll just speak about a few.'),(25328,1,2610109,2618010,'Shailaja','For me, so I mean, when I was working on education, so this was the first thing.'),(25329,1,2618020,2638830,'Shailaja','For example, when many upper castes and including my friends they are in college because yes, I grew up in India and very much in the high politics of the Mandal Commission in the 1990s and the late 1980s and so on.'),(25330,1,2642620,2655450,'Shailaja','wwhen people are talking about reservations and politics around it, but without paying attention to the history of discrimination and disadvantage.'),(25331,1,2656099,2675010,'Shailaja','So that was very shocking to me as a person who experienced the system and at the same time was trying to navigate these different experiences.'),(25332,1,2675840,2680770,'Shailaja','That was as I said, very shocking.'),(25333,1,2681270,2691760,'Shailaja','The second was these statements that go around that there are a lot of reservations that people are not making use of them.'),(25334,1,2692260,2701980,'Shailaja','So that again, we need to understand as to how the system itself is not working very effectively and people are not getting the benefits.'),(25335,1,2702540,2717330,'Shailaja','When something is happening in the channel from the top to the bottom and that is a reason that people are not, they do know about these benefits or they\'re not able to avail of them at the right time.'),(25336,1,2717779,2728830,'Shailaja','So that was something that these girls did not have, the important tools that are necessary, textbooks for studying.'),(25337,1,2733080,2749800,'Shailaja','I mean, yes, I was certainly aware of the problems, but at the same time understanding the minute details of how things were actually taking place, I think that was very illuminating.'),(25338,1,2750820,2758500,'Shailaja','The third was also how women are schooled and policed into patriarchal norms.'),(25339,1,2759020,2787760,'Shailaja','So yes, certainly patriarchy is very much alive and very strong, but to actually see how it was operating in the household and as I said, and I\'m repeating myself here, but this is important as to how women were schooled into and policed to follow these norms.'),(25340,1,2788080,2805200,'Shailaja','Because once again, this is a socialization that\'s taking place and Dalits are looking at the groups that are dominant in the society, and they\'re the ones who are setting up these values.'),(25341,1,2805580,2819120,'Shailaja','And so Dalits are trying to accommodate and at the same time resist these norms, but the burden of these models falls on women.'),(25342,1,2819780,2839700,'Shailaja','And so during the interviews and this is again very important, that women were not able to voice their opinions, or they were not able to speak freely when they were surrounded by men, or to open up in presence of their husbands or other family members.'),(25343,1,2840900,2843209,'Shailaja','So that really tells us a lot.'),(25344,1,2843940,2853030,'Shailaja','It was quite challenging to speak and for the woman herself to voice her opinions.'),(25345,1,2853700,2861719,'Shailaja','And for me as a researcher to navigate this as I was spending time with them.'),(25346,1,2861719,2886169,'Shailaja','So that was something that it took long years for me also to understand how to approach women and their family members, and how to really get to their experiences and provide them or make that space safe enough for them to open up.'),(25347,1,2886980,2892860,'Shailaja','So these were some of the challenges that I encountered.'),(25348,1,2893080,2908455,'Shailaja','Women were also not very forthcoming about when they wanted to talk about the sexual harassment that they encountered at schools, so not many of them were very comfortable talking about it.'),(25349,1,2908455,2910060,'Shailaja','And understandably so.'),(25350,1,2910810,2915640,'Shailaja','So some of them did talk about it, but others were mostly silent.'),(25351,1,2916049,2918360,'Shailaja','So these are some of the challenges that I came across.'),(25352,1,2922980,2923570,'Vishesh','Thank you for sharing.'),(25353,1,2926550,2959200,'Vishesh','Those feel like incredibly valuable things to keep in mind, especially for future researchers which steps close to I think last question which is, what are advice do you have for other people entering these research spaces, both from the perspective of grad students or newer researchers and even experienced researchers?'),(25354,1,2959200,2970829,'Vishesh','Possibly, I think all of these different aspects like, people not from the community who are interested in these issues, people from the community, but who don\'t have enough research experience, what are things of advice you\'d point to?'),(25355,1,2970829,2970859,'Vishesh','Sure.'),(25356,1,2971650,2971950,'Shailaja','Yeah.'),(25357,1,2972260,2980260,'Shailaja','And this is again, certainly yes, I would like to share and this again comes from my own academic journey.'),(25358,1,2982830,3014640,'Shailaja','And this is something that I have been writing about recently when I came across conversations where, non-Dalits shared with me that they found it difficult to conduct research on Dalits, and so they were challenged when they were trying to conduct research.'),(25359,1,3015099,3028580,'Shailaja','And so I have written about this and this piece came out in the Economic and Political Weekly, this year in August or September, I\'m forgetting the date, but it\'s Dalit Feminist Thought.'),(25360,1,3029630,3059609,'Shailaja','I am arguing that non-Dalits can certainly contribute to this knowledge, but at the same time they need to be aware of the specific location of Dalits when they are trying to do this.'),(25361,1,3059719,3071250,'Shailaja','And so that is where I invite different scholars, I mean, knowledge is not just a domain of a particular community or some individuals.'),(25362,1,3071309,3088620,'Shailaja','And that for me, I said and I repeat, this is my position and different scholars from different communities and backgrounds should be free to pursue any pursuit of knowledge that they would like to.'),(25363,1,3088920,3101070,'Shailaja','However, they need to be aware of the specific locations, experiences, and the ideas of Dalits for this matter.'),(25364,1,3101600,3102480,'Shailaja','So that is one.'),(25365,1,3102800,3135580,'Shailaja','Also, narrow readings of Dalits\' histories and both the past and the present is something that may not be very useful and generative, so I want to invite both scholars and activists to read deeply and widely about what Dalits have had to say in the past and in the present.'),(25366,1,3136120,3154660,'Shailaja','And be more attuned to and attentive to their ideas and their languages, instead of appropriating them and fitting them into this very narrow scholarly language and perspectives.'),(25367,1,3154660,3170520,'Shailaja','And this is something that\'s happening to an extent, but reading through or working with different methods is very, very important for that matter.'),(25368,1,3171180,3196072,'Shailaja','Also, I think in terms of future research and I\'ve mentioned this in my work, but just for the sake of our conversation, more work is needed into for example, I mean, just looking at historically the different institutes of education that Ambedkar built or that Dalits have built.'),(25369,1,3196072,3201440,'Shailaja','So for example, in terms of Ambedkar, the People\'s Education Society which has different branches and in different parts of the country.'),(25370,1,3201450,3225820,'Shailaja','So students and scholars could look at those, there is much work to be done in education in schools and the villages, also education at different levels for Dalits, Adivasis for that matter.'),(25371,1,3226400,3234299,'Shailaja','And so these are some of the realms in which we need more work.'),(25372,1,3234299,3237534,'Vishesh','Terrific, that\'s sounds once again, extremely helpful, thank you.'),(25373,1,3237534,3242565,'Vishesh','Yes, I think that is all I have for the core of the interview.'),(25374,1,3242565,3277960,'Vishesh','Are there any other closing thoughts you feel like…to recontextualize, our grant money fundamentally is coming from the International Society of the Learning Sciences in which is based in the US and it centers mostly US, European scholars and work.'),(25375,1,3279210,3303800,'Vishesh','This is mostly the onus is on us, but do you have any thoughts on what it would mean to translate this work or use the compilation work we are doing, but specifically your work as to what it makes sense in an American context or in other contexts outside of South Asia, but especially where South Asian still exist.'),(25376,1,3304250,3320960,'Vishesh','And as we know casteism is happening in the US also in many different forms, do you have any thoughts on what this would mean for education research and education practices, not just in India?'),(25377,1,3322270,3322509,'Shailaja','Yeah.'),(25378,1,3322510,3338920,'Shailaja','I think as you mentioned, translation is very important and I\'m not just talking about linguistic translation, but I am talking about translation at different levels.'),(25379,1,3339320,3347100,'Shailaja','So yes, the scholarly audience, but I think just looking at and as you rightly mentioned the US context.'),(25380,1,3349389,3365139,'Shailaja','For example, where we are located right now, and we are just seeing as to how caste discrimination recently with the Cisco case or the other news that we have from Hindu temples and so on.'),(25381,1,3365600,3383669,'Shailaja','So when I\'m saying translation, so making research and the outcomes of research, more accessible to an ordinary general public.'),(25382,1,3384459,3401839,'Shailaja','How could that be done so that you bring that to a general public, so that they understand the way caste discrimination or gender, or racial discrimination is operating?'),(25383,1,3402119,3416570,'Shailaja','I think that is important and that is something that projects like yours or other work which is focused on education could do.'),(25384,1,3416580,3443710,'Shailaja','I have been involved in these small projects where I have been interviewed on a number of venues I mean, so that I could speak to a broader audience and is a reason I\'m talking about it.'),(25385,1,3443710,3458700,'Shailaja','So for example, you have these YouTube videos or some other nonprofit organizations who are now trying to connect the scholarly community with a larger popular audience.'),(25386,1,3459720,3473735,'Shailaja','And the different ways that this could be done to make research and the work I\'m doing or when others are investing more accessible, I think that is important.'),(25387,24,5880,14800,'Vikas','My name is Vikas Maniar, and I teach at university in Bangalore, which is called Azim Premji University.'),(25388,24,14800,16379,'Vikas','I teach in the School of Education.'),(25389,24,19150,23410,'Gayithri','Yeah, now, we will definitely talk a lot of work that I\'m excited about.'),(25390,24,23940,36860,'Gayithri','So maybe just to give you a preamble, in this interview, we are simply interested in hearing your perspectives, practices and experiences of researching in India and Indian contexts.'),(25391,24,37770,48520,'Gayithri','So in our larger project, we will definitely examine for patterns and differences across a variety of researchers who have explored teaching and learning in these kinds of contexts.'),(25392,24,49580,58500,'Gayithri','Importantly, we want to deeply consider a variety of socio cultural groups and center educational equity in this work.'),(25393,24,59660,80610,'Gayithri','In this spirit, we actively are seeking perspectives from minoritized groups and connections to important equity issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, indigenous epistemologies, decolonization and any other thing that comes inside this.'),(25394,24,82150,89739,'Gayithri','So maybe we can start with a specific project that you\'ve been working on, and we will get more broader as the interview progresses.'),(25395,24,90309,107130,'Gayithri','So if you were to choose one specific project that either something that you\'ve recently worked on or something that\'s representative, can you tell us a little about the geographic location, whom you work with, and the broader context in which this work happens?'),(25396,24,108820,121009,'Vikas','Sure, I mean, I would focus on my doctoral work, which is now four years old, but that kind of is representative of the kind of interests I have.'),(25397,24,123610,152859,'Vikas','I did work with rural community in what is called, in the state of Gujarat, on the border of Madhya Pradesh, which is another state in India, and this is a community of indigenous, or Adivasi people, as we call in India, and they are from a tribe called Rathwa.'),(25398,24,154039,189850,'Vikas','And so that was my work that kind of, it\'s a rural setting, it\'s all Adivasi communities, they have a particular history, and they are in a particular geographical setting, which is remote, which has been somewhat isolated from the mainstream, or the communication of the mainstream has been restricted till about 18 or so.'),(25399,24,189850,193050,'Vikas','And then it has kind of integrated very rapidly.'),(25400,24,193050,196530,'Vikas','So that\'s the kind of setting that I was working in.'),(25401,24,196770,200730,'Vikas','It was, my doctoral work was a comparative work.'),(25402,24,200730,208460,'Vikas','So I did a similar kind of research with a Xhosa community in Eastern Cape, South Africa, very similar indigenous community.'),(25403,24,208460,211600,'Vikas','I mean, very similar in the sense of parallel indigenous community.'),(25404,24,213929,222320,'Vikas','And was trying to kind of compare and contrast how educational experiences are for these two communities.'),(25405,24,223079,223780,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(25406,24,223790,229739,'Gayithri','So what got you interested about this specific context that you chose to work in?'),(25407,24,230620,240550,'Vikas','So I\'ve come to education, academics, and have segwayed into this, right?'),(25408,24,240610,248080,'Vikas','I am not being somebody who\'s, as you can tell it from my beard, I\'m a late bloomer in academics.'),(25409,24,250090,263140,'Vikas','I came into education through NGO work, I worked in an organization called Akshara, which was my first formal introduction to education sector in India.'),(25410,24,264330,272470,'Vikas','And before that, I had a very long corporate life, working with various kinds of corporates across the world actually.'),(25411,24,274660,284880,'Vikas','And so, my interest in education was much more in the sense of doing something meaningful, trying to contribute back to the society etc.'),(25412,24,285719,293890,'Vikas','But as I started engaging with communities, which were marginalized on...'),(25413,24,293900,310900,'Vikas','Akshara works, the organization that I work for works with the government school system, the public school system in India, and it so happens that government schools are primarily accessed by people who cannot afford private schools.'),(25414,24,312850,317360,'Vikas','It has a very large proportion of marginalized social groups attending.'),(25415,24,317599,346580,'Vikas','And so when I was engaging with that work, it became very clear to me that one, I don\'t know enough about education to talk meaningfully about my experiences, other that the way education is being imagined, in official and international discourses, is somewhat disconnected to the lived realities of the people themselves.'),(25416,24,347690,366940,'Vikas','And that drove me to questioning that on the relevance of education itself, the educational experience itself, and whether there were other ways of organizing this experience that is much more meaningful to the people I was working with.'),(25417,24,367910,369469,'Vikas','And which then led to a journey.'),(25418,24,369469,380280,'Vikas','I did my second master\'s in education, and then I did my doctoral work in education, and then I\'m now teaching in a education setting.'),(25419,24,380600,388989,'Vikas','So that was briefly motivation as I went along this journey to pursue this kind of research.'),(25420,24,390390,405620,'Gayithri','Fantastic, would you want to maybe give me an example where you saw that disconnect with what education as a system was offering, and how it was conflicting or not matching up to the lived experiences of some of these marginalized communities?'),(25421,24,405700,407620,'Gayithri','Because it just sounded so interesting.'),(25422,24,408950,430510,'Vikas','So a very obvious thing that comes to mind and which is very popularly spoken about as well is this whole idea of the economic benefits of education, the education as a tool for economic mobility for the poor, for the marginalized.'),(25423,24,432950,464280,'Vikas','In the Indian context, it was becoming, and, to my surprise, in South African context, as well, when I was there, it was becoming clear that that promise is not being fulfilled for many, many, many folks, you see, a large army of educated unemployed in India, partly not able to get any jobs, neither are able to start any other modes of livelihood.'),(25424,24,464820,474560,'Vikas','And one gets a sense that in the process of this extended experience in schooling, they lose what they would have learned in the communities themselves.'),(25425,24,474870,478429,'Vikas','And so I was getting increasingly concerned about those aspects.'),(25426,24,479160,480090,'Vikas','But that\'s not all.'),(25427,24,480139,519809,'Vikas','I mean, the political, the empowering effects of education, even ability or the promise of education to be multicultural, culturally inclusive those kinds of things to where we\'re not living up to the promise that was there in policies and so when I was spending time with these communities, and the students, I was getting increasingly concerned about the fact that, look, education is not really leading them to a better life.'),(25428,24,520039,522079,'Vikas','That was the main promise of education.'),(25429,24,525069,525359,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(25430,24,525369,529270,'Vikas','And in case of Adivasi communities, it becomes very difficult.'),(25431,24,529500,530450,'Vikas','It\'s very different.'),(25432,24,530740,538220,'Vikas','It\'s much more stark, because these Adivasi communities traditionally have been rural communities.'),(25433,24,539870,554310,'Vikas','Slightly disconnected socially and economically from the mainstream society, as it were, and they have had a way of life that was self sustaining for a long time.'),(25434,24,554790,576089,'Vikas','And education became particularly disruptive in their case, where you an extended education experience, disconnected them from their traditional ways of life, but did not kind of then formally establish them in this modern way of life where they could live happily or live a good life.'),(25435,24,576900,583190,'Vikas','So those are the kinds of experiences that I can get into specifics as we go along.'),(25436,24,583200,583370,'Vikas','But-'),(25437,24,583590,585860,'Gayithri','Yeah, yeah, thank you.'),(25438,24,586590,586944,'Gayithri','That was really helpful.'),(25439,24,586944,595930,'Gayithri','So what have been some of the natural or easy ways, easy aspects of conducting research in this context.'),(25440,24,597130,597729,'Gayithri','Anything around...'),(25441,24,597900,605970,'Gayithri','You could share anything from funding to being able to partner or getting the buy in of your stakeholders anything.'),(25442,24,608759,624880,'Vikas','I don\'t quite see anything that comes out to, jumps up as an easy, one of the easiest things that happened to me was the kind of welcome I got in the community.'),(25443,24,625799,647060,'Vikas','So, it was very easy for me to mingle to become friendly or with the community that I worked with, was very welcoming and very open to share their perspectives.'),(25444,24,649050,655310,'Vikas','Of course, there was this period of trust building, which one has to go through in any such research.'),(25445,24,655980,664519,'Vikas','But once you go over that phase, it was a very, very nice experience to be part of that community for an extended period of time.'),(25446,24,669799,681510,'Vikas','Other than that, I think one has to go through all kinds of issues of what a research like this would entail, which is what one has to do, right?'),(25447,24,681510,685069,'Vikas','I mean, I won\'t categorize it as easy or hard in any which way.'),(25448,24,686550,690875,'Gayithri','Yeah, that was not the intention, but we were just trying to get to some aspects of what it was.'),(25449,24,690980,701289,'Gayithri','So maybe we can then jump into talking about some of the aspects that were more tricky, or challenging to specifically conduct research with the context that you\'ve chosen.'),(25450,24,702699,706370,'Vikas','Approvals were hard to come to access schools.'),(25451,24,708490,712350,'Vikas','And more so for...'),(25452,24,712389,722400,'Vikas','So in India, you have an education department, state education department that runs a certain set of schools, and then there is a tribal development department restaurants, another set of schools.'),(25453,24,723930,733050,'Vikas','And so, while it was easy for me to get education department approvals, it took me some time to get the tribal department approvals to access schools.'),(25454,24,735280,751980,'Vikas','Funding was non existent, I pretty much, I got a small grant from my institution, I got another little bit of funding from some other source, but most of it was self funded.'),(25455,24,752059,753470,'Vikas','And so funding was pretty much.'),(25456,24,754420,756459,'Vikas','And I could afford it because I had savings'),(25457,24,757380,757551,'Gayithri','The corporate..'),(25458,24,757551,757959,'Gayithri','job from the past'),(25459,24,757959,761300,'Vikas','I had spent a lot of time at jobs and I had some savings, which I could use for this.'),(25460,24,762060,778180,'Vikas','But for new researcher in the Indian context, I\'m assuming that somebody coming from US or UK would have much more access to funds, then somebody an Indian researcher might have, but that becomes a problem.'),(25461,24,781940,803789,'Vikas','Trying to locate the site was also a concern, I spent quite some time trying to identify a site where I could do this research, which would be true to the questions that I was asking, but also would be operationally feasible kind of setting.'),(25462,24,803870,804080,'Vikas','Right.'),(25463,24,804080,813599,'Vikas','So those are the top of the mind concerns that one has when one started working in this.'),(25464,24,814220,823100,'Gayithri','So do you want to just share, one or two pieces for how you dealt with these challenges, because these are substantial challenges.'),(25465,24,823490,826739,'Gayithri','It\'s almost existential for your research which were to happen.'),(25466,24,827789,828119,'Gayithri','So.'),(25467,24,829759,840050,'Vikas','So permission, I just started out in the government office, for weeks at a time, actually, I would just sit every day.'),(25468,24,840480,847776,'Vikas','In the morning, I would land up in the office, nobody would take my phone calls, or emails are just not responded to.'),(25469,24,847776,850660,'Vikas','So I would just spend time physically lined up in the office.'),(25470,24,851330,861709,'Vikas','And it took me I think, three or four weeks to finally get that permission, because without an official permission, no school would allow me access despite the fact.'),(25471,24,864330,875239,'Vikas','Scouting of the site, I did go through a lot of my network, I asked around quite a few people as to where can I do a research like that.'),(25472,24,875240,879839,'Vikas','My guide, my PhD supervisor helped me a lot on this.'),(25473,24,881420,886520,'Vikas','I reached out in to my NGO network, my old, not for profit network.'),(25474,24,886990,896870,'Vikas','And in fact, the access that I got to this site was also through another NGO called Adivasi Academy, which operates in the same geography.'),(25475,24,897150,904800,'Vikas','And so that was my entry into the site and then once I established myself, I did not need the help after some time.'),(25476,24,906150,918970,'Vikas','So those are some of the ways I kind of managed, how to deal with these challenges, money, whatever I could get, I kind of try to get it.'),(25477,24,919380,923870,'Vikas','And then self funded myself for the rest.'),(25478,24,923870,924315,'Gayithri','Interesting.'),(25479,24,924760,931180,'Gayithri','So maybe now we can broaden a little going, looking across your various projects or research projects.'),(25480,24,931540,935480,'Gayithri','So can you describe your research more broadly?'),(25481,24,936640,940310,'Gayithri','What kind of geographies are you trying to look at?'),(25482,24,940670,943710,'Gayithri','What kind of populations are you trying to work with?'),(25483,24,945240,959910,'Vikas','So I see myself interested in this question of educational experiences and outcomes for what I consider as socioeconomically marginalized communities, broadly.'),(25484,24,959910,964100,'Vikas','I mean, that\'s the location of my research, that\'s the kind of question that interests me.'),(25485,24,968690,980809,'Vikas','For the specific doctoral work that I was talking about, I did gravitate towards Adivasis as a social group, rural kind of a setting.'),(25486,24,983480,998010,'Vikas','And basically asking the same question that does the promise of education to help prepare one for a good life and future, does that materialize or are there problems?'),(25487,24,998790,1005869,'Vikas','And then how does one make sense if there\'s a mismatch between the promise and the reality?'),(25488,24,1006639,1011650,'Vikas','And those are the broad, broad kind of questions that I\'m interested in researching.'),(25489,24,1014500,1028560,'Gayithri','So thinking about theories that inform and shape your work, what are some words or thinkers or schools of thought that have influenced your thinking and your research?'),(25490,24,1030180,1063740,'Vikas','So I started with the capability approach, initially, my first, I really got fascinated by the capability approach, in my early part of my doctoral work, and I thought it did focus our energy or our attention to the key questions I was asking, it was primarily asking this question of wellbeing and institutional arrangements that generate valued beings and doings as same concept.'),(25491,24,1065950,1081800,'Vikas','And it also focuses our attention to institutional arrangements that deliver or that kind of facilitate or enable well being of individuals, and sometimes capability approaches extended to groups as well.'),(25492,24,1081840,1083500,'Vikas','So groups too.'),(25493,24,1084200,1099110,'Vikas','And, but as I progressed, I realized that well, I mean, it does ask you to, it does focus your attention in asking the right kind of questions that I was interested in.'),(25494,24,1099380,1108520,'Vikas','Because these were the questions I was interested in the first place, that does education help these marginalized groups move on to a better life.'),(25495,24,1108750,1111139,'Vikas','However, they consider that better life to be, right?'),(25496,24,1111660,1117770,'Vikas','And capability approach pretty much asked that question and focused our energy attention to asking that question.'),(25497,24,1119660,1127180,'Vikas','So I\'m very attracted to capability approach as an approach to ask this question.'),(25498,24,1127450,1140730,'Vikas','It moves away from these school effectiveness and school improvement and learning outcomes and those kinds of discourses, it asks a very fundamental question, is your life getting better because of education?'),(25499,24,1140950,1142500,'Vikas','If not, then is it worth it?'),(25500,24,1142660,1143949,'Vikas','I mean, that kind of question.'),(25501,24,1146059,1158629,'Vikas','But then I realized that capabilities approached scholars have primarily used of imagination of a western context in their research.'),(25502,24,1159490,1169060,'Vikas','And that\'s where I started asking this question as to oh, but how would capability approach look like in a post-colonial setting?'),(25503,24,1170680,1176680,'Vikas','And how would you kind of implement research based on capability approach in a postcolonial setting?'),(25504,24,1177400,1199540,'Vikas','And I did my dabbling with postcolonial theory for some time, and I realized that it\'s very interesting, but it\'s mainly focused on subjectivities and how subjectivities are produced.'),(25505,24,1200889,1217760,'Vikas','Whereas I was always under the impression, or at least my anecdotal interactions with the communities that shown that it is not just the subjectivities, but materialities of the postcolonial context that matter as well.'),(25506,24,1218139,1231610,'Vikas','So, it is a setting where there are no jobs, there is no industrialization, it is a setting, which is a mix of modernity and tradition, it is a setting where the state is still becoming capable to govern, right?'),(25507,24,1231810,1239690,'Vikas','And all those matter in terms of how education shapes good life.'),(25508,24,1240570,1253310,'Vikas','And so, it is not just about you have hybridity of subjectivity, or those kinds of things, it is some bit of subjectivity, of course, but it is also some bit of materiality.'),(25509,24,1253969,1269130,'Vikas','And so, the second influence was post-colonial theory, but then I kind of pushed myself further into saying that, \"Oh, no, I have to look at material contexts, post-colonial context as well, and then locate my work within that.\"'),(25510,24,1269450,1285293,'Vikas','So that has been the strategy, I use ideas from capability approach, I use some ideas from post-colonial theory, but then I push it in the direction of looking at material contexts of post-colonial societies.'),(25511,24,1285293,1295620,'Vikas','People have done that, I mean, it\'s not as if post-colonial contexts have not been written about, there are scholars who write about post-colonial contexts.'),(25512,24,1295820,1304390,'Vikas','But in my work, I had realized that I pretty much had to imagine this issue to make sense of the context that I was in.'),(25513,24,1304540,1319970,'Vikas','And, though, the scholarship on post-colonial context helped me to ask my questions in particular way, I had to substantially work, apply my mind to frame this question and to make sense of these realities.'),(25514,24,1321970,1324360,'Vikas','Those are the broad influences I guess.'),(25515,24,1325719,1325979,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(25516,24,1326300,1327500,'Gayithri','That\'s good to know.'),(25517,24,1328009,1333190,'Gayithri','So thinking about these different venues where you present and publish or even share your work.'),(25518,24,1334180,1340800,'Gayithri','So can you tell us about what field or research community you actually locate your work in?'),(25519,24,1347120,1355470,'Vikas','It\'s very collected, some of the international.'),(25520,24,1355470,1359460,'Vikas','Gayithri, can you hear me?'),(25521,24,1359470,1362020,'Gayithri','Yes, I think there has been a little bit of a lag.'),(25522,24,1362030,1373143,'Gayithri','Sorry, I\'m not sure what\'s happening.'),(25523,24,1373143,1375970,'Vikas','Bad internet connection on my side as well.'),(25524,24,1375970,1395129,'Vikas','Journals of comparative education and international education are talking about so for example, compare or comparative education, and other journals like those are have, especially the European comparative and international education journals have been talking about these issues, much more than some of the American ones.'),(25525,24,1395580,1405099,'Vikas','And so I try to get, I\'m trying to get myself published in some of those ones.'),(25526,24,1406470,1413460,'Vikas','Other than that, I try to because I was looking at it from a very broad perspective.'),(25527,24,1413460,1419009,'Vikas','So I was looking at theorisation, I was looking at policy implications.'),(25528,24,1419480,1422030,'Vikas','And I was looking at some kind of an ethnography reality.'),(25529,24,1422030,1426860,'Vikas','So I was looking at it from a very broad, I was trying to make sense of it, essentially.'),(25530,24,1427080,1428070,'Vikas','So how does one look at it?'),(25531,24,1428540,1437400,'Vikas','So I am also looking at communities that talk about educational theory and policy.'),(25532,24,1438049,1447310,'Vikas','But mostly I see myself located in this competitive international kind of work on education.'),(25533,24,1448290,1448700,'Gayithri','Perfect.'),(25534,24,1448760,1449050,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(25535,24,1449980,1460600,'Gayithri','So I think we\'ve already kind of spoken about this, but then now again, trying to get a little beneath the scene, understanding of your work.'),(25536,24,1461080,1466169,'Gayithri','So what actually motivated you to pursue these research interests?'),(25537,24,1467840,1477250,'Gayithri','Rather, you could even answer by starting off for why you chose to be an educational researcher, and how did you come to where you are?'),(25538,24,1477880,1480476,'Vikas','I didn\'t choose to be an education researcher at all.'),(25539,24,1480720,1481430,'Vikas','I happen.'),(25540,24,1481740,1485250,'Vikas','I just landed up being one, right?'),(25541,24,1485309,1527820,'Vikas','So I think, as I said earlier, my journey has been a mid-career corporate guy trying to do something meaningful, and getting attracted to education work in a not for profit sector for some time, and through that another journey begins, which is basically asking these fundamental questions of, \"Hey, is this working for the people that we are trying to serve?\"'),(25542,24,1534069,1535639,'Gayithri','Hello, Vikas?'),(25543,24,1535679,1543449,'Gayithri','Are you there?'),(25544,24,1543449,1560300,'Gayithri','So sorry, I like-'),(25545,24,1560300,1560345,'Vikas','No, no.'),(25546,24,1560345,1562100,'Vikas','It might be a problem at my end as well, because-'),(25547,24,1563210,1565589,'Gayithri','Yeah, it could be here as well, we have no idea.'),(25548,24,1566859,1567089,'Gayithri','Yeah.'),(25549,24,1567089,1567314,'Gayithri','So.'),(25550,24,1567540,1569000,'Vikas','I don\'t know, where did we cut off?'),(25551,24,1569010,1570540,'Vikas','So let me repeat what I say, right?'),(25552,24,1573740,1580749,'Vikas','I have come into education, from corporate through the not for profit sector.'),(25553,24,1580940,1594029,'Vikas','And most of my academic questions were framed in the context of my working with those communities that I am researching, or I\'m thinking about now.'),(25554,24,1595070,1609500,'Vikas','And yeah, I mean, the whole educational researcher business came about because I was dissatisfied with the way I heard people talk about education for these communities.'),(25555,24,1611260,1625210,'Gayithri','So maybe if I have to just ask you one more question, what made you make the transition from the corporate life to working with an NGO that was primarily education-based, or education focused?'),(25556,24,1625840,1630737,'Gayithri','I know that so many reasons, including some personal that was'),(25557,24,1630737,1637899,'Vikas','I guess it was doing something meaningful was essentially a midlife crisis is the best way to define it.'),(25558,24,1637899,1646110,'Vikas','I was in my 40s, I was realizing I have to do something more meaningful than then be a cog in the corporate wheel, et cetera.'),(25559,24,1646970,1655760,'Vikas','Education came in naturally, because one, I had been volunteering with education NGOs, while I was in my corporate life itself.'),(25560,24,1656470,1664389,'Vikas','And for some reason, everybody thinks that they know education better than anything else, right?'),(25561,24,1666030,1668649,'Vikas','In hindsight, it sounds so naive to say that.'),(25562,24,1669500,1677270,'Vikas','But at that time, I was so full of confidence that I thought that I will be able to make a big difference by working in education.'),(25563,24,1679740,1687460,'Vikas','But to my credit, I very quickly realized that I didn\'t know much, and soon started asking very fundamental questions.'),(25564,24,1688820,1691080,'Vikas','Which then led me to this path where I am on.'),(25565,24,1691770,1692270,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(25566,24,1692549,1693250,'Gayithri','Yeah, sure.'),(25567,24,1694370,1707569,'Gayithri','Because I was also told, at some point, when I started my master\'s in education, they were like, \"Beware, people will always think that they know, or they have more to tell them what you think you know from all the books that you have had read.\"'),(25568,24,1710230,1711110,'Gayithri','Yeah, sure.'),(25569,24,1711530,1724940,'Gayithri','So have you thought about our work with respect to social issues in India or the communities that you work with, who do you think will of course benefit from your work?'),(25570,24,1725700,1738520,'Gayithri','And how or in what ways does your research contribute to social justice, equity/inclusion, or anything else that you want to bring in here?'),(25571,24,1740110,1752460,'Vikas','No, I think the way I see my research, or at least the things that I\'m interested in asking or in trying to figure out the heart of it is the kind of questions that you\'re talking about.'),(25572,24,1752630,1771660,'Vikas','And by asking this question in this way, saying, asking the question that how does any kind of schooling and education make life better or, for particular communities that are marginalized?'),(25573,24,1772440,1774199,'Vikas','Is is a very political act.'),(25574,24,1774570,1774820,'Vikas','Right?'),(25575,24,1775270,1802700,'Vikas','It\'s a political act in itself, because it assumes that the onus of proving that education has really worked for these communities is on the people who claim that education works and not the communities that can be blamed, that they are not able to avail of education, the benefits of education because there is some deficit in the community.'),(25576,24,1803210,1803420,'Vikas','Right?'),(25577,24,1803860,1829239,'Vikas','And I see my work or at least the my interests squarely on asking questions which provoke or which demand answers on why these groups are not getting what the promises from education.'),(25578,24,1829889,1841379,'Vikas','And if they are not getting it, then shouldn\'t education the way it is imagine change, rather than saying, \"Hey, everything is all right.\"'),(25579,24,1842580,1850509,'Vikas','Maybe the communities themselves are to blame, or maybe things will get, alright, eventually, this is a transition phase, et cetera, et cetera.'),(25580,24,1850509,1854449,'Vikas','And people have these kinds of explanations of why things don\'t work.'),(25581,24,1855139,1856750,'Vikas','And I reject that.'),(25582,24,1857370,1868010,'Vikas','I want to ask, I want to say that it has not worked for six, seven decades, what gives you the confidence that it will work in the future?'),(25583,24,1868650,1874189,'Vikas','And so you should start asking some fundamental questions about how we do education for different communities.'),(25584,24,1874810,1881590,'Vikas','And in that sense, I see my work squarely in the social justice.'),(25585,24,1883639,1884229,'Gayithri','Fantastic.'),(25586,24,1884570,1903350,'Gayithri','So maybe because we are here do you want, if you want to draw from what you saw, from your groundwork, one or two key instances that kind of highlight and push for this call that you\'re calling for, would you want to take this opportunity to?'),(25587,24,1904950,1914030,'Vikas','Experiences or which pushed me to think about this or how do I talk about it?'),(25588,24,1914180,1915409,'Vikas','Can you rephrase the question?'),(25589,24,1915470,1938990,'Gayithri','Sorry, sorry, if I was too convoluted, I was wondering if you want to draw from your observations on the ground to make a stronger case, if you want to quote or cite something that you saw as an instance, on when you were doing your fieldwork, and that kind of really pushes people to be not ignore your call?'),(25590,24,1940330,1943569,'Vikas','Sure, let me take multiple, example two or three examples, right?'),(25591,24,1943569,1952649,'Vikas','I mean, one, obviously is, and the way I kind of frame my questions is to ask economic questions, cultural questions, and political questions.'),(25592,24,1952910,1955180,'Vikas','And let me try to give you examples of each.'),(25593,24,1955410,1955730,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(25594,24,1957360,1968590,'Vikas','So if you see the community that I work for, today, more than 80% are doing subsistence agriculture.'),(25595,24,1969070,1975849,'Vikas','They do sell some of the produce, but it is small compared to what they consume themselves.'),(25596,24,1976259,1976489,'Vikas','Right?'),(25597,24,1976830,1989830,'Vikas','And most of the other money for survival comes from doing labor, manual labor in construction sites or other fields or, and this is all migratory labor.'),(25598,24,1989830,1993740,'Gayithri','And you mean, this is the case in the communities that you work with?'),(25599,24,1993930,1994809,'Vikas','Yes, yes, today.'),(25600,24,1995110,1995450,'Gayithri','Thank you.'),(25601,24,1995450,1995940,'Gayithri','Yeah, yeah.'),(25602,24,1995980,1996260,'Gayithri','Okay.'),(25603,24,1996850,2007890,'Vikas','And, so what\'s happening with a young person who\'s getting educated in the schools?'),(25604,24,2007890,2015639,'Vikas','First of all, only about, say, 16%, 15, 16% of the students graduate from school.'),(25605,24,2016039,2032280,'Vikas','12th grade completion rates are just about 16, I mean 15, between 15 and 20%, some number, so less than 1/5, 1/6 graduate from school, but what has happened in the schooling experience of this 10 years or 12 years, if you have survived that?'),(25606,24,2034219,2050890,'Vikas','Most of these children stay in residential schools, not most of them, many of them, or others attend, and it\'s a small number, but it\'s a very, it exemplifies the kind of problems that I\'m talking about, right?'),(25607,24,2051409,2053740,'Vikas','And many of them attend schools for extended hours.'),(25608,24,2054630,2081309,'Vikas','What is happening in the processes, they lose their ability to engage with agriculture, in through the extended schooling and when they are educated, they are socialized into thinking that they have been prepared for a desk jobs, in government jobs or in private sector.'),(25609,24,2083250,2092420,'Vikas','And so they have been now aspiring for jobs that are not physical work oriented.'),(25610,24,2092429,2095550,'Vikas','They lose their ability to engage in agriculture.'),(25611,24,2096000,2098670,'Vikas','And for many of them, it becomes very dysfunctional.'),(25612,24,2098830,2111650,'Vikas','You see this whole group of educated youth who are simply wiling away time in the community looking for opportunities to engage, they won\'t go back to agriculture.'),(25613,24,2112080,2115690,'Vikas','Because neither they are equipped, they don\'t want to do it.'),(25614,24,2116240,2129819,'Vikas','And so what happens is they get caught, they get tapped in by politicians as their kind of enjoyment in the village, they get tapped in by the liquor lobby.'),(25615,24,2129950,2134079,'Vikas','Gujarat is a dry state, you can\'t sell alcohol.'),(25616,24,2134749,2136460,'Vikas','And so but there is a large-'),(25617,24,2136469,2136479,'Gayithri','Underhand.'),(25618,24,2139490,2142730,'Vikas','Underhand sale of liquor, they get tapped by those kinds of...'),(25619,24,2142730,2152140,'Vikas','So they get sucked into this economy, which is prime economy, economy of corruption, and so forth.'),(25620,24,2152140,2152529,'Vikas','Right?'),(25621,24,2152660,2156689,'Vikas','Because they\'re educated, they don\'t get jobs of the kind that they want.'),(25622,24,2157259,2167090,'Vikas','And they won\'t go back to the traditional occupations, the options that are left for them sometimes end up being pathological, dysfunctional options.'),(25623,24,2167470,2169860,'Vikas','That\'s one kind of an example one can look for.'),(25624,24,2172099,2174620,'Vikas','Let\'s look at a cultural political kind of an example.'),(25625,24,2176459,2182800,'Vikas','The entire discourse of Adivasi communities in India is based on this idea of backwardness.'),(25626,24,2184950,2192510,'Vikas','There is this local committee report which \'60s, I might be off on my dates, but you can look at...'),(25627,24,2194170,2201610,'Vikas','It basically says Adivasis are backward people and how do you identify backward people, they live in remote geographies.'),(25628,24,2201960,2204479,'Vikas','They are not educated, they don\'t have...'),(25629,24,2205919,2206439,'Vikas','And so forth.'),(25630,24,2207000,2207709,'Vikas','This criteria.'),(25631,24,2208170,2216690,'Vikas','And so the entire development discourse is premised on imagination of Adivasis being backward.'),(25632,24,2217170,2218960,'Vikas','And there are progressive elements as well.'),(25633,24,2218980,2230599,'Vikas','So, Elwin\'s work, Elwin Verrier\'s work and Nehru himself was a big advocate of that work, did talk of [inaudible] with Adivasi, right?'),(25634,24,2230600,2241879,'Vikas','So, mutual respect of ways of life and not encroaching or not imposing the outside worldview on Adivasi communities, while giving them an option to integrate with the world.'),(25635,24,2242070,2255190,'Vikas','So there\'s a very progressive perspective as well, but that does not find much evidence in policy discourse or development discourse, and that percolates down to schooling experiences.'),(25636,24,2255470,2273860,'Vikas','So, you have teachers who are coming from mainstream or dominant communities, and they have this attitude of, \"Oh, we are Sudrela, which is improved or developed, and these people are backward, Pachat.\"'),(25637,24,2274080,2274900,'Vikas','Is the word, right?'),(25638,24,2275690,2287660,'Vikas','And the entire relationship between the teachers and the students, the state and the community is gets colored by this imagination of backward.'),(25639,24,2287660,2292640,'Vikas','In fact, one of the NGOs in the area is called [foreign language] right?'),(25640,24,2292910,2295880,'Vikas','Which is a society for the service of the backward people.'),(25641,24,2296240,2306830,'Vikas','So it is there that underlying assumption and what happens in that process is that people internalize it.'),(25642,24,2308430,2320369,'Vikas','The young kids internalize this characterization of backwardness, and it has a very long term identity implication for the kids, right?'),(25643,24,2320990,2327130,'Vikas','So that\'s the experience that modern schooling has on Adivasi communities.'),(25644,24,2327550,2330299,'Vikas','Fortunately, it is not.'),(25645,24,2331950,2335880,'Vikas','So this is the dark side of the schooling experience.'),(25646,24,2335880,2357500,'Vikas','But the same schooling also produces young people who resist this tag of backwardness, this is simultaneous phenomena, there are people who have been concertized, who have been educated are essentially saying, \"Look, we reject this backwardness tag.'),(25647,24,2357530,2358799,'Vikas','We are different and equal.'),(25648,24,2359580,2362650,'Vikas','We don\'t want to be called Hindu, we are not Hindu.'),(25649,24,2363040,2364900,'Vikas','We are not like anybody else.'),(25650,24,2364900,2366650,'Vikas','We have our ways of life.'),(25651,24,2367719,2369560,'Vikas','But we are as modern as you are.'),(25652,24,2370000,2372279,'Vikas','Just that we have an alternate modernity.\"'),(25653,24,2372860,2377700,'Vikas','And there\'s a very strong political mobilization around that kind of an idea.'),(25654,24,2378370,2382380,'Vikas','So but that is happening more in the community than in the schools.'),(25655,24,2383720,2383860,'Vikas','Right?'),(25656,24,2383870,2396750,'Vikas','And so, these are the kinds of dilemmas or challenges that one sees when one experiences schooling of Adivasi communities in India.'),(25657,24,2398530,2403600,'Vikas','And want us to question why that is happening and why would you start with the premise of backwardness?'),(25658,24,2404250,2422039,'Vikas','Why would you not see the kind of work that has sustained them for centuries as worthwhile in the first place, particularly when you are uprooting them completely from those ways of life and not giving them alternate ways of life that are in any ways functional?'),(25659,24,2423750,2424199,'Vikas','And so...'),(25660,24,2426689,2428709,'Gayithri','That was definitely very deep.'),(25661,24,2428799,2429509,'Gayithri','Thanks for that Vikas.'),(25662,24,2430520,2440390,'Gayithri','So what ongoing efforts led by researchers, other researchers in India are you particularly excited about if we were to start thinking about like, the future directions?'),(25663,24,2441030,2449770,'Vikas','Another, I think I was inspired by them is the Jeffrey\'s.'),(25664,24,2449810,2453090,'Vikas','Patricia Jeffrey, Roger Jeffery, and I forget the third name.'),(25665,24,2454410,2459019,'Vikas','They have worked extensively in digital with Dalit youth.'),(25666,24,2459019,2467210,'Vikas','And when I was doing my master\'s in education, I\'d read their work and it had really left a strong impression on me.'),(25667,24,2468180,2469910,'Vikas','They continue to work in India.'),(25668,24,2470380,2474040,'Vikas','And heir work is really fascinating.'),(25669,24,2474179,2477290,'Vikas','They asking very similar questions of what happens to...'),(25670,24,2479980,2482894,'Vikas','Other than researchers, I think I\'m more attracted to these experiments by not for profits around very contextual education, and almost a reimagineation of education.'),(25671,24,2482894,2506520,'Vikas','For example, there is a school in Madhya Pradesh called Adharshila, which re imagines this idea of education for Adivasi communities.'),(25672,24,2507090,2519169,'Vikas','There are similarly many experiments are happening at the grassroots that ask these questions, and then reimagine what education means for different marginalized communities.'),(25673,24,2519169,2536120,'Vikas','And I particularly find them very exciting, I particularly find that they allow for insights, that many of the traditional research scholarship is not allowing for or not producing.'),(25674,24,2536699,2541770,'Vikas','And there is a certain degree of freedom in that.'),(25675,24,2542680,2550480,'Vikas','Because one senses, I was a late academic, I was not doing it for money, or career path or whatever.'),(25676,24,2551009,2562550,'Vikas','And so I could choose a topic where I didn\'t have to worry about whether I fit into an academic discipline, whether I will be accepted in the academy community, whether I\'ll get published.'),(25677,24,2563460,2565670,'Vikas','Really that was not what was driving me.'),(25678,24,2565670,2572340,'Vikas','What was driving me was these questions that I had, which I was worried about, or which I was concerned about answering.'),(25679,24,2573039,2585529,'Vikas','And one senses that the current structure of the academy community forces you to box yourself in the kind of silos that we have created for ourselves.'),(25680,24,2586150,2599180,'Vikas','And so I find a lot more interesting work happening with these initiatives on the ground then in some of the research, not to say that this research is not that many people doing it, but they\'re far less than one would expect.'),(25681,24,2599450,2603809,'Vikas','These are some fundamental questions that are not getting in my view the attention that they should get.'),(25682,24,2605359,2611489,'Gayithri','So Vikas, you spoke about like, yes, there is also research out there, but maybe not as much.'),(25683,24,2611779,2630107,'Gayithri','So what do you think are some of the key research areas in the subcontinent currently, that are being asked that are being looked at more closely?'),(25684,24,2630107,2632740,'Vikas','Most of the research today is not happening in this mode, right?'),(25685,24,2632970,2659870,'Vikas','These kinds of questions, most of the research we have working extensively doing RCTs we have, most of the research is happening in this western frame, epistemic frame, asking questions about learning objectives or asking questions about accountability and that kind of stuff.'),(25686,24,2665250,2667500,'Vikas','Yeah, I mean, that\'s good.'),(25687,24,2668460,2675219,'Vikas','Very nice to do, but doesn\'t excite me as much as the kind of questions I\'m asking.'),(25688,24,2675219,2689720,'Vikas','So I\'m much more interested in questioning the institution of education itself, rather than figuring out how will the education system be more efficient and effective in what it does?'),(25689,24,2692070,2699900,'Vikas','And the very few people who are doing this, as I mentioned Jeffery\'s, as one comes immediately to mind because I\'m so impressed by them.'),(25690,24,2700799,2703190,'Vikas','But there are others as well who do this kind of work.'),(25691,24,2703540,2708549,'Vikas','And much of it is done in the qualitative ethnographic study kind of a mode.'),(25692,24,2709630,2710070,'Gayithri','Sure.'),(25693,24,2710200,2719830,'Gayithri','So I think we are in the perfect place to then start thinking about what kinds of work do you want to see more of moving forward.'),(25694,24,2720180,2727370,'Gayithri','If you want to point out any frameworks or methods or epistemologies, you wish were more prevalent in the field?'),(25695,24,2728670,2733140,'Vikas','Yeah, clearly looking at post-colonial societies as a unique context.'),(25696,24,2734710,2742305,'Vikas','And not starting with this assumption that what has worked in the western context will directly work in post-colonial societies.'),(25697,24,2743020,2746430,'Vikas','I mean, that\'s clearly something that I would like to see more.'),(25698,24,2747059,2752069,'Vikas','And this is there in every, not just education, but everywhere.'),(25699,24,2752070,2774859,'Vikas','So for example, other group of researchers, not educational researchers, but social science researchers are CSDs in Delhi, and many of them Praqma and others are asking this question as to how do we make sense of the context in India or the context in global south of the post-colonial world?'),(25700,24,2775870,2790560,'Vikas','And which may necessarily, not necessarily mean picking up frameworks and epistemologies from the west and applying it here, but trying to make sense of the context on its own terms, right?'),(25701,24,2791040,2796930,'Vikas','And I think we need to do more and more of that.'),(25702,24,2796930,2810940,'Vikas','Because useful as the current ways of looking or Western epistemologies are, they are somewhat limited in making sense of the world that I live in.'),(25703,24,2812400,2824819,'Vikas','And I would really like to see more and more people asking this question of how do we make sense of the context in their own terms and not use borrowed ways of looking at things.'),(25704,24,2826750,2830900,'Vikas','Yeah, that would be my major interest.'),(25705,24,2831410,2854020,'Vikas','The other interest is to look for education, the institution of education, and ask this core question, because good life ,well being has been this overarching promise that if you get educated, you will lead a good life, if you don\'t get educated, your life will be miserable or not as satisfying.'),(25706,24,2854590,2855970,'Vikas','Yeah, that\'s the promise.'),(25707,24,2856339,2859730,'Vikas','That\'s the way it is being sold to us.'),(25708,24,2860760,2874214,'Vikas','But it is not working out that way for a majority of the population in the post-colonial society.'),(25709,24,2874214,2877285,'Vikas','And so then you have to ask that question.'),(25710,24,2877285,2879129,'Vikas','Why is it not working?'),(25711,24,2879129,2880810,'Vikas','And introspect on the way we are arranging the institution of education, and figure out why it is not working and change it to make it work for people.'),(25712,24,2881100,2882749,'Vikas','So that\'s another kind of thing.'),(25713,24,2883149,2886042,'Vikas','And the timing has to be not asking.'),(25714,24,2886042,2886511,'Gayithri','Perfect.'),(25715,24,2886980,2891710,'Gayithri','So what advice would you have for newcomers to educational research in India?'),(25716,24,2892719,2901799,'Gayithri','Maybe if you can have the, for somebody who is like really far into the context even.'),(25717,24,2901799,2902490,'Vikas','That\'s a tough one.'),(25718,24,2902490,2908802,'Vikas','Let me tell, let me answer this in a different way.'),(25719,24,2908802,2909376,'Vikas','Right.'),(25720,24,2909950,2912029,'Vikas','Let me tell you my experiences in South Africa.'),(25721,24,2912570,2918250,'Vikas','And that will kind of draw a parallel to what somebody who\'s not from India coming in researching.'),(25722,24,2921950,2928429,'Vikas','I think the amount of time it took me and I have not done it perfectly by any means.'),(25723,24,2928480,2936339,'Vikas','But at least I realized that it was an important thing for me to do was to make sense of the context.'),(25724,24,2937730,2951979,'Vikas','The historical, economic, political, cultural context of the larger society and the community that you\'re working with took a substantial amount of effort and time.'),(25725,24,2952500,2960060,'Vikas','And that was the background homework that I thought I did, but I did not do well enough.'),(25726,24,2960849,2963519,'Vikas','I could have done it way better.'),(25727,24,2963870,2967610,'Vikas','I did read quite a bit before I landed up in scape.'),(25728,24,2968949,2981340,'Vikas','But despite that, I struggled a lot and I would advise anybody who wants to do that, to spend substantial amount of time talking to people from the context, read about it, et cetera.'),(25729,24,2982370,2999620,'Vikas','The other thing that I have learned in the process of this research is that I had to constantly work to bridge the immediate divide, right?'),(25730,24,2999700,3012390,'Vikas','I mean, The person who\'s studied and the person who\'s studying without losing my objectivity as a researcher, that\'s a tough thing.'),(25731,24,3015000,3025680,'Vikas','How do you not come across as this super educated PhD from outside who\'s studying us as lab rats.'),(25732,24,3026490,3033910,'Vikas','And come across as a person who is one amongst us no different.'),(25733,24,3034460,3042089,'Vikas','Eats like us, sleeps like us, spends time, enjoys laughs with us kind of a thing.'),(25734,24,3043500,3046210,'Vikas','And that took quite a bit of effort on my part.'),(25735,24,3046480,3062310,'Vikas','And so this whole issue of not coming from this pedestal of knowledge, or oh, I\'m here to study you is another thing that worked for me.'),(25736,24,3062770,3064363,'Vikas','I\'m not sure how many people do it.'),(25737,24,3064600,3066080,'Vikas','But I found it challenging.'),(25738,24,3067250,3069439,'Vikas','And I really worked hard at that.'),(25739,24,3069920,3082990,'Vikas','And both my sites, and that paid off handsomely, not just from the research perspective from having very good personal memories and relationships from that experience.'),(25740,24,3083600,3093590,'Vikas','Even I still, and obviously, like any other researcher would, I still do talk to the people that I spent time where they consider me as their friend, and so forth.'),(25741,24,3093639,3101299,'Vikas','And that really helped me to get their unadulterated perspective of life, right?'),(25742,24,3101340,3117929,'Vikas','It was not something that they would otherwise filter, I mean, if you are a researcher going and asking questions, randomly without building this rapport, this sphere of trust, you would get one kind of answers.'),(25743,24,3117929,3123580,'Vikas','And I could see the answers change, I spent some three, four or five months in the community, and there were two schools.'),(25744,24,3124440,3136650,'Vikas','And in the initial days, I lined up into school, the entire school will perform for me, yeah, teachers would behave in a particular way, the principal\'s would behave in a particular way, students would be in alert and stuff.'),(25745,24,3137590,3160430,'Vikas','And over a period of time, as I got friendly, they realize that, I mean, no harm, I can, and that kind of stuff, is when I really started seeing the processes and the 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We have a google group/email list, Facebook group, and Slack workspace, and participation is welcome on any or all of them.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\",\"style\":{\"typography\":{\"fontStyle\":\"normal\",\"fontWeight\":\"600\"}}} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\" style=\"font-style:normal;font-weight:600\">Our Projects</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":456,\"width\":320,\"height\":74,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"custom\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/manthan/\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/manthan-logo.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-456\" width=\"320\" height=\"74\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"verticalAlignment\":\"center\",\"align\":\"wide\",\"className\":\"is-style-twentytwentyone-columns-overlap\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide are-vertically-aligned-center is-style-twentytwentyone-columns-overlap\"><!-- wp:column {\"verticalAlignment\":\"center\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:spacer {\"height\":\"50px\"} -->\n<div style=\"height:50px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:spacer -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"verticalAlignment\":\"top\",\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide are-vertically-aligned-top\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->','About SALSRC','','publish','closed','closed','','home','','','2022-11-30 15:30:30','2022-11-30 15:30:30','',6,'https://www.salsrc.net/?page_id=5',0,'page','',0),(6,1,'2022-03-17 08:11:56','2022-03-17 08:11:56','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"background\",\"textColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"padding\":{\"top\":\"0\",\"right\":\"0\",\"bottom\":\"0\",\"left\":\"0\"}}},\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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In that atmosphere, that is what I call a queer transformation</strong>.</strong></p><cite>– Chayanika Shah</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Chayanika discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The intersecting roles that home, school, sports, and university settings play in developing personal and social conceptions of gender</li><li>Her personal experience and research around the gaps between socially marginalized identities, and the “objectivity” of science practice which furthers this marginalization.</li><li>A weaving of different thinkers and spaces about the construction of gender across various kinds of everyday lives. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://www.epw.in/author/chayanika-shah\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Writing in EPW</a></li><li>Chadha, G., & Achuthan, A. 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According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. 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July 15, 2021.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','Systems Thinking <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts<br />\nIndigenous Knowledge Systems','publish','closed','open','','radha-gopalan-2','','\nhttps://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/','2022-11-16 11:21:25','2022-11-16 11:21:25','',0,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=187',0,'post','',0),(188,1,'2022-06-07 22:24:13','2022-06-07 22:24:13','','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','pasted-image-0','','','2022-06-07 22:24:24','2022-06-07 22:24:24','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/pasted-image-0.png',0,'attachment','image/png',0),(189,1,'2022-06-07 22:26:30','2022-06-07 22:26:30','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. 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According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. 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She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\n\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:27:45','2022-06-07 22:27:45','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=193',0,'revision','',0),(195,1,'2022-06-07 22:28:11','2022-06-07 22:28:11','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\n\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:28:11','2022-06-07 22:28:11','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=195',0,'revision','',0),(196,1,'2022-06-07 22:28:44','2022-06-07 22:28:44','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. 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According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. 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July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:28:44','2022-06-07 22:28:44','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=196',0,'revision','',0),(197,1,'2022-06-07 22:30:06','2022-06-07 22:30:06','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. 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July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:30:06','2022-06-07 22:30:06','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=197',0,'revision','',0),(198,1,'2022-06-07 22:34:50','2022-06-07 22:34:50','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development, Politics of Language, Classroom Dynamics</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. 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class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":200,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"Ambika Laxmi ECD Circle Time\" class=\"wp-image-200\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":201,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"Lalitha in Nepal\" class=\"wp-image-201\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview,</strong> Laitha discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her personal experiences that led her on the track of working as an educator.</li><li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li><li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','','inherit','closed','closed','','198-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:34:50','2022-06-07 22:34:50','',198,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=202',0,'revision','',0),(203,1,'2022-06-07 22:47:49','2022-06-07 22:47:49','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:47:49','2022-06-07 22:47:49','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=203',0,'revision','',0),(205,1,'2022-06-07 22:49:02','2022-06-07 22:49:02','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:49:02','2022-06-07 22:49:02','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=205',0,'revision','',0),(206,1,'2022-06-07 22:49:38','2022-06-07 22:49:38','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-06-07 22:49:38','2022-06-07 22:49:38','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=206',0,'revision','',0),(216,1,'2022-07-06 14:12:16','2022-07-06 14:12:16','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Design Education, Design Thinking, Gender, STEM Education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farhat Ara is a science educator, researcher and a Faculty at Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design and Technology, a constituent of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, Bangalore. 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The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. 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The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"177\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong>Something that has to be done at the school level, <strong>very consciously so that all of us become different kinds of people. In that atmosphere, that is what I call a queer transformation</strong>.</strong></p><cite>– Chayanika Shah</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Chayanika discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The intersecting roles that home, school, sports, and university settings play in developing personal and social conceptions of gender</li><li>Her personal experience and research around the gaps between socially marginalized identities, and the “objectivity” of science practice which furthers this marginalization.</li><li>A weaving of different thinkers and spaces about the construction of gender across various kinds of everyday lives. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://www.epw.in/author/chayanika-shah\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Writing in EPW</a></li><li>Chadha, G., & Achuthan, A. (2017). Feminist Science Studies. <em>Economic and Political Weekly</em>, <em>52</em>(17), 7-8.</li><li>Shiva, V. (1988). <em>Staying alive: Women, ecology, and survival in India</em> (Vol. 84). New Delhi: Kali for Women.</li><li>Shah, C. (2021). <em>Space, Segregation, Discrimination</em>. Yoda Press.</li><li>Shah, C, Merchant, R, Mahajan, S, & Nevatia, S (2015). No Outlaws in the Gender Galaxy. New Delhi: Zubaan books.</li><li>Shah C. From Numbers to Structures: Navigating the Complex Terrains of Science, Education and Feminism. <em>Contemporary Education Dialogue</em>. 2012;9(2):145-171.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-07-27 04:33:56','2022-07-27 04:33:56','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=240',0,'revision','',0),(241,1,'2022-07-27 04:51:22','2022-07-27 04:51:22','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibsi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"177\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. 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He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. 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You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nLearning Theories <br />\nInternational Professional Transitions ','publish','closed','open','','chandan-dasgupta','','','2022-09-21 14:49:00','2022-09-21 14:49:00','',0,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=242',0,'post','',0),(243,1,'2022-07-27 04:52:24','2022-07-27 04:52:24','','Chandan Dasgupta','','inherit','closed','closed','','237-revision-v1','','','2022-07-27 04:52:24','2022-07-27 04:52:24','',237,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=243',0,'revision','',0),(244,1,'2022-07-27 05:15:42','2022-07-27 05:15:42','','unnamed','','inherit','','closed','','unnamed','','','2022-07-27 05:15:42','2022-07-27 05:15:42','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/unnamed.png',0,'attachment','image/png',0),(245,1,'2022-07-27 05:17:45','2022-07-27 05:17:45','','chandan_dasgupta','','inherit','','closed','','chandan_dasgupta','','','2022-07-27 05:17:45','2022-07-27 05:17:45','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/chandan_dasgupta.jpg',0,'attachment','image/jpeg',0),(246,1,'2022-07-27 05:25:19','2022-07-27 05:25:19','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. 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You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-07-27 05:25:19','2022-07-27 05:25:19','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=246',0,'revision','',0),(247,1,'2022-07-27 05:25:41','2022-07-27 05:25:41','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-07-27 05:25:41','2022-07-27 05:25:41','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=247',0,'revision','',0),(250,1,'2022-08-03 00:25:06','2022-08-03 00:25:06','','Vikas Maniar','','publish','closed','open','','vikas-maniar-2','','','2022-11-16 10:53:48','2022-11-16 10:53:48','',0,'https://www.salsrc.net/?post_type=podcast&p=250',0,'podcast','',0),(251,1,'2022-08-03 00:25:06','2022-08-03 00:25:06','','Vikas Maniar','','inherit','closed','closed','','250-revision-v1','','','2022-08-03 00:25:06','2022-08-03 00:25:06','',250,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=251',0,'revision','',0),(252,1,'2022-08-03 05:10:45','2022-08-03 05:10:45','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigenous Knowledge Systems, Postcolonial Theory, Schooling Systems, Capability Approach to Education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Vikas is a faculty in the School of Education, Azim Premji University Bangalore. He splits his time between teaching and research, and working with grassroots social entrepreneurs working on education issues in India.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in/people/vikas-maniar\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"250\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“[there is] a large army of educated unemployed in India, partly not able to get any jobs, neither are able to start any other modes of livelihood. And one gets a sense that in the process of this extended experience in schooling, they lose what they would have learned in the communities themselves.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Vikas discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His personal experiences that led him to research schooling systems.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Educational experiences and outcomes for socioeconomically marginalized communities</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Issues of aspiration and justice in educational experiences of marginalized youth.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Material contexts of post-colonial societies. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies, Pune</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities, 46.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2019). Towards a theory of schooling for good life in postcolonial societies. <em>Journal of Human Values</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 166-176.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. <em>Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies</em>, Pune</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. <em>The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities</em>, 46.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Maniar, V. (2019). Towards a theory of schooling for good life in postcolonial societies. <em>Journal of Human Values</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 166-176.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Vikas Maniar','Indigenous Knowledge Systems<br />\nPostcolonial Theory <br />\nSchooling Systems<br />\nCapability Approach to Education ','publish','closed','open','','vikas-maniar','','','2022-11-15 04:59:20','2022-11-15 04:59:20','',0,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=252',0,'post','',0),(253,1,'2022-08-03 05:06:46','2022-08-03 05:06:46','','vikas-maniar_bb96c67c9835464fe0b60f771129f240','','inherit','','closed','','vikas-maniar_bb96c67c9835464fe0b60f771129f240','','','2022-08-03 05:06:46','2022-08-03 05:06:46','',252,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/vikas-maniar_bb96c67c9835464fe0b60f771129f240.webp',0,'attachment','image/webp',0),(254,1,'2022-08-03 05:10:45','2022-08-03 05:10:45','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Education of Indigenous Communities, Postcolonial Theory, Quality Discourse in Education, Schooling Systems</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Vikas is a faculty in the School of Education, Azim Premji University Bangalore. He splits his time between teaching and research, and working with grassroots social entrepreneurs working on education issues in India.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in/people/vikas-maniar\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong>How do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Vikas discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His personal experiences that led him to research schooling systems.</li><li>Educational experiences and outcomes for socioeconomically marginalized communities</li><li>Issues of aspiration and justice in educational experiences of marginalized youth.</li><li>Material contexts of post-colonial societies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies, Pune</li><li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities, 46.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). Towards a theory of schooling for good life in postcolonial societies. <em>Journal of Human Values</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 166-176.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. <em>Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies</em>, Pune</li><li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. <em>The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities</em>, 46.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). 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If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li><li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li><li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li><li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-08-03 05:28:38','2022-08-03 05:28:38','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=275',0,'revision','',0),(276,1,'2022-08-03 05:28:44','2022-08-03 05:28:44','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":260,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-260\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":261,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-261\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":262,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-262\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":269,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":268,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --><figcaption class=\"blocks-gallery-caption\"><br><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\"></a><br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\"></a><br></figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li><li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li><li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li><li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-08-03 05:28:44','2022-08-03 05:28:44','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=276',0,'revision','',0),(277,1,'2022-08-03 05:30:31','2022-08-03 05:30:31','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":260,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-260\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":261,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-261\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":262,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-262\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":269,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":268,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:separator -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li><li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li><li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li><li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-08-03 05:30:31','2022-08-03 05:30:31','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=277',0,'revision','',0),(278,1,'2022-08-03 05:30:55','2022-08-03 05:30:55','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img 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href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. 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Lone Star Muslims: Transnational Lives and the South Asian Experience in Texas by Ahmed Afzal. <em>Anthropological Quarterly</em>, <em>89</em>(1), 345-350.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anar Parikh','Keywords: South Asian American Studies, \nPolitical Anthropology, \nCitizenship & belonging, \nRace & racialization','inherit','closed','closed','','180-revision-v1','','','2022-08-17 14:53:44','2022-08-17 14:53:44','',180,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=291',0,'revision','',0),(292,1,'2022-08-17 14:53:59','2022-08-17 14:53:59','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: South Asian American Studies, Political Anthropology, Citizenship & belonging, Race & racialization</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anar Parikh holds a Ph.D. in anthropology from the Department of Anthropology at Brown University. Her dissertaton, <em>Getting Out the Vote in South Asian Chicago </em>(2022) explores questions of race/racialization, politics, citizenship, and belonging among South Asians in the US. She was recently awarded an ACLS Leading Edge Fellowship at Asian Americans Advancing Justice Atlanta, (2022-2024) where she will be a Policy Analyst for an electoral language access campaign. She also serves on the editorial board of <em>American Anthropologist </em>as Associate Editor of the Podcast and Executive Producer of <em>Anthropological Airwaves.</em></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"171\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong>Citizenship is in itself based on exclusion or who is included as a citizen is based on who is not eligible or acknowledged as citizens</strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anar discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>What it means to be South Asian American and politically engaged in the US</li><li>Shifting South Asian American identities in civic and political spaces</li><li>Intersectionality and silence around caste in South Asian American political spaces</li><li>The tensions in negotiating a community of belonging along with critical perspectives enmeshed within community practices</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Parikh, A. (2017). Desis divided: the political lives of South Asian Americans.</li><li>Parikh, A. (2016). Lone Star Muslims: Transnational Lives and the South Asian Experience in Texas by Ahmed Afzal. <em>Anthropological Quarterly</em>, <em>89</em>(1), 345-350.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anar Parikh','Keywords: South Asian American Studies, <br />\nPolitical Anthropology, <br />\nCitizenship & belonging, \nRace & racialization','inherit','closed','closed','','180-revision-v1','','','2022-08-17 14:53:59','2022-08-17 14:53:59','',180,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=292',0,'revision','',0),(293,1,'2022-08-17 14:54:10','2022-08-17 14:54:10','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: South Asian American Studies, Political Anthropology, Citizenship & belonging, Race & racialization</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anar Parikh holds a Ph.D. in anthropology from the Department of Anthropology at Brown University. Her dissertaton, <em>Getting Out the Vote in South Asian Chicago </em>(2022) explores questions of race/racialization, politics, citizenship, and belonging among South Asians in the US. She was recently awarded an ACLS Leading Edge Fellowship at Asian Americans Advancing Justice Atlanta, (2022-2024) where she will be a Policy Analyst for an electoral language access campaign. She also serves on the editorial board of <em>American Anthropologist </em>as Associate Editor of the Podcast and Executive Producer of <em>Anthropological Airwaves.</em></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"171\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong>Citizenship is in itself based on exclusion or who is included as a citizen is based on who is not eligible or acknowledged as citizens</strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anar discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>What it means to be South Asian American and politically engaged in the US</li><li>Shifting South Asian American identities in civic and political spaces</li><li>Intersectionality and silence around caste in South Asian American political spaces</li><li>The tensions in negotiating a community of belonging along with critical perspectives enmeshed within community practices</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Parikh, A. (2017). Desis divided: the political lives of South Asian Americans.</li><li>Parikh, A. (2016). Lone Star Muslims: Transnational Lives and the South Asian Experience in Texas by Ahmed Afzal. <em>Anthropological Quarterly</em>, <em>89</em>(1), 345-350.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anar Parikh','Keywords: South Asian American Studies, <br />\nPolitical Anthropology, <br />\nCitizenship & belonging, <br />\nRace & racialization','inherit','closed','closed','','180-revision-v1','','','2022-08-17 14:54:10','2022-08-17 14:54:10','',180,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=293',0,'revision','',0),(294,1,'2022-08-17 14:54:18','2022-08-17 14:54:18','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: South Asian American Studies, Political Anthropology, Citizenship & belonging, Race & racialization</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anar Parikh holds a Ph.D. in anthropology from the Department of Anthropology at Brown University. Her dissertaton, <em>Getting Out the Vote in South Asian Chicago </em>(2022) explores questions of race/racialization, politics, citizenship, and belonging among South Asians in the US. She was recently awarded an ACLS Leading Edge Fellowship at Asian Americans Advancing Justice Atlanta, (2022-2024) where she will be a Policy Analyst for an electoral language access campaign. She also serves on the editorial board of <em>American Anthropologist </em>as Associate Editor of the Podcast and Executive Producer of <em>Anthropological Airwaves.</em></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"171\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong>Citizenship is in itself based on exclusion or who is included as a citizen is based on who is not eligible or acknowledged as citizens</strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anar discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>What it means to be South Asian American and politically engaged in the US</li><li>Shifting South Asian American identities in civic and political spaces</li><li>Intersectionality and silence around caste in South Asian American political spaces</li><li>The tensions in negotiating a community of belonging along with critical perspectives enmeshed within community practices</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Parikh, A. (2017). Desis divided: the political lives of South Asian Americans.</li><li>Parikh, A. (2016). Lone Star Muslims: Transnational Lives and the South Asian Experience in Texas by Ahmed Afzal. <em>Anthropological Quarterly</em>, <em>89</em>(1), 345-350.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anar Parikh','South Asian American Studies, <br />\nPolitical Anthropology, <br />\nCitizenship & belonging, <br />\nRace & racialization','inherit','closed','closed','','180-revision-v1','','','2022-08-17 14:54:18','2022-08-17 14:54:18','',180,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=294',0,'revision','',0),(295,1,'2022-08-24 14:27:35','2022-08-24 14:27:35','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":260,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-260\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":261,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-261\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":262,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-262\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":269,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":268,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li><li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li><li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li><li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','Indigineity <br />\nLanguage <br />\nCulture <br />\nEducation','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:27:35','2022-08-24 14:27:35','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=295',0,'revision','',0),(296,1,'2022-08-24 14:28:14','2022-08-24 14:28:14','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Gender, Science, Queerness, Schooling, Home</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chayanika Shah is an educator, writer, researcher and feminist activist. She has a doctorate in Physics and has taught Physics to graduate students for two decades. Since then she has designed and co-taught post-graduate courses in Science Education and Feminist Science Studies. She has worked and written extensively on feminist studies of science, the politics of population control and reproductive technologies, communalism, and sexuality and sexual rights, besides teaching physics over the last several decades.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"177\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong>Something that has to be done at the school level, <strong>very consciously so that all of us become different kinds of people. In that atmosphere, that is what I call a queer transformation</strong>.</strong></p><cite>– Chayanika Shah</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Chayanika discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The intersecting roles that home, school, sports, and university settings play in developing personal and social conceptions of gender</li><li>Her personal experience and research around the gaps between socially marginalized identities, and the “objectivity” of science practice which furthers this marginalization.</li><li>A weaving of different thinkers and spaces about the construction of gender across various kinds of everyday lives. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://www.epw.in/author/chayanika-shah\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Writing in EPW</a></li><li>Chadha, G., & Achuthan, A. (2017). Feminist Science Studies. <em>Economic and Political Weekly</em>, <em>52</em>(17), 7-8.</li><li>Shiva, V. (1988). <em>Staying alive: Women, ecology, and survival in India</em> (Vol. 84). New Delhi: Kali for Women.</li><li>Shah, C. (2021). <em>Space, Segregation, Discrimination</em>. Yoda Press.</li><li>Shah, C, Merchant, R, Mahajan, S, & Nevatia, S (2015). No Outlaws in the Gender Galaxy. New Delhi: Zubaan books.</li><li>Shah C. From Numbers to Structures: Navigating the Complex Terrains of Science, Education and Feminism. <em>Contemporary Education Dialogue</em>. 2012;9(2):145-171.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chayanika Shah','Gender <br />\nScience <br />\nQueerness <br />\nSchooling <br />','inherit','closed','closed','','149-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:28:14','2022-08-24 14:28:14','',149,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=296',0,'revision','',0),(297,1,'2022-08-24 14:28:41','2022-08-24 14:28:41','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nResearching in India','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:28:41','2022-08-24 14:28:41','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=297',0,'revision','',0),(299,1,'2022-08-24 14:28:54','2022-08-24 14:28:54','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nResearching in India <br />\nProfessional transition from the US to India','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:28:54','2022-08-24 14:28:54','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=299',0,'revision','',0),(300,1,'2022-08-24 14:29:09','2022-08-24 14:29:09','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":200,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"Ambika Laxmi ECD Circle Time\" class=\"wp-image-200\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":201,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"Lalitha in Nepal\" class=\"wp-image-201\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview,</strong> Laitha discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her personal experiences that led her on the track of working as an educator.</li><li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li><li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','Literacy <br />\nTeacher Professional Development','inherit','closed','closed','','198-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:29:09','2022-08-24 14:29:09','',198,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=300',0,'revision','',0),(301,1,'2022-08-24 14:29:21','2022-08-24 14:29:21','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Design, gender</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farhat Ara is a science educator, researcher and a Faculty at Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design and Technology, a constituent of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, Bangalore. She is also the Head of Studies for the Creative Education course at Srishti. A PhD in Design and Technology Education with her practice rooted strongly in the constructivist philosophy, she works at the exciting intersection of Education, Biology, Technology, Design, Literature, and Art. By creating interesting synergies among different disciplines and areas of studies, her courses tap into diverse interests of students and allows for multiple forms of expressions. She has also developed teaching resource materials for teachers and has published numerous articles on education and pedagogy in peer-reviewed international journals, book, and conference proceedings.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong>How do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Laypersons’ (gendered) views of design</li><li>Her experience as a teacher of design, particularly in settings that bring together science and design </li><li>The problems and potential of design education for challenging the status quo, including her pedagogical work in frugal design and constructivism. </li><li>Current work in design education that inspires her</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Khunyakari, R., Padalkar, S., <strong>Ara, F.,</strong> Singh, G. (Forthcoming) <strong>Strengthening learning through visuospatial experiences: Initiatives from the Indian context in Learning without Burden’,</strong> Publisher: Routledge India, Taylor and Francis Group</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Farhat Ara','Design <br />\nGender','inherit','closed','closed','','216-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:29:21','2022-08-24 14:29:21','',216,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=301',0,'revision','',0),(303,1,'2022-08-24 14:29:45','2022-08-24 14:29:45','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','Systems-thinking <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural children <br />\nIndigenous knowledge','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-08-24 14:29:45','2022-08-24 14:29:45','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=303',0,'revision','',0),(304,1,'2022-08-24 14:30:10','2022-08-24 14:30:10','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Education of Indigenous Communities, Postcolonial Theory, Quality Discourse in Education, Schooling Systems</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Vikas is a faculty in the School of Education, Azim Premji University Bangalore. 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And one gets a sense that in the process of this extended experience in schooling, they lose what they would have learned in the communities themselves.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Vikas discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His personal experiences that led him to research schooling systems.</li><li>Educational experiences and outcomes for socioeconomically marginalized communities</li><li>Issues of aspiration and justice in educational experiences of marginalized youth.</li><li>Material contexts of post-colonial societies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies, Pune</li><li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities, 46.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). Towards a theory of schooling for good life in postcolonial societies. <em>Journal of Human Values</em>, <em>25</em>(3), 166-176.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). ICT in schools: Panacea or a pipedream. <em>Technology in Education: Perspectives and Praxis. L. Devaki (Ed.). Centre for Communication and Development Studies</em>, Pune</li><li>Maniar, V. (2018). Right to Education and Capability Enhancement in Rural South Africa. <em>The Right to Education Movements and Policies: Promises and Realities</em>, 46.</li><li>Maniar, V. (2019). 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Whereas, for them, there was they had to come back by dinner time.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anjali discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her background growing up in Bhopal and her family’s language practices in Konkani, Portuguese, English, and Marathi</li><li>Her study of economics and journey to education</li><li>The founding of Eklayva schools</li><li>Her current views on multilingual education </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anjali Noronha','Eklavya<br />\nChildren<br />\nScience<br />\nMumbai<br />\nGender','inherit','closed','closed','','328-revision-v1','','','2022-09-13 14:16:47','2022-09-13 14:16:47','',328,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=331',0,'revision','',0),(332,1,'2022-09-13 14:17:17','2022-09-13 14:17:17','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Caste, Gender, Feminist Theories, History, Dalit Women</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Shailaja Paik is Associate Professor of History and Affiliate in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at the University of Cincinnati. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"112\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Education is not merely for gaining degrees or getting employment, but it has a significant potential for fighting systemic oppression. And that is …where I see Dalit pedagogy is heading.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Dr. Paik discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her motivation for centering Dalit Women in her work. </li><li>What terms she uses to refer to caste-oppressed communities and why</li><li>Theories (e.g., Black feminism, Dalit activism, critical pedagogy) and methods (oral history) she uses to understand Dalit women’s educational experiences </li><li>Her recommendations, based on her research and praxis, for supporting Dalit pedagogy. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Her first book Dalit Women\'s Education in Modern India: Double Discrimination (London and New York: Routledge, 2014) examines the nexus between caste, class, gender, and state pedagogical practices among Dalit (\"Untouchable\") women in urban India. </li><li>Her second book The Vulgarity of Caste: Dalits, Sexuality, and Humanity (Stanford University Press) focuses on the politics of caste, class, gender, sexuality, and popular culture in modern Maharashtra.</li><li><a><strong>Dr. Ambedkar and the “Prostitute”: Caste, Sexuality, and Humanity</strong>, Gender and History</a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1468-0424.12557\" target=\"_blank\">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1468-0424.12557</a>.</li><li><strong>Dalit Feminist Thought</strong>, Economic and Political Weekly, Special Article, 56:25, June 19, 2021. 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And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, Anita (2021) A Rendering of Disability and Gender in the COVID-19 Era, EPW , Vol. 56, Issue No. 11, 13 Mar, 2021</li><li>Ghai Anita (2020) Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia in R. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nResearching in India <br />\nTranslational Professional Transitions ','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:36:06','2022-09-21 14:36:06','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=345',0,'revision','',0),(346,1,'2022-09-21 14:36:54','2022-09-21 14:36:54','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Eklavya, Children, Science, Mumbai, Gender</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anjali Noronja is an educator. She spent most of her life in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, started her work in Harda, MP, and spent some of her life in Delhi. She was involved in the founding of Eklavya schools and has studied issues around multi-lingualism, caste, and gender in education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"315\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“The only thing I felt while growing up was the only concern that I had, which my brothers didn\'t, was I must come back before dark. Whereas, for them, there was they had to come back by dinner time.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anjali discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her background growing up in Bhopal and her family’s language practices in Konkani, Portuguese, English, and Marathi</li><li>Her study of economics and journey to education</li><li>The founding of Eklayva schools</li><li>Her current views on multilingual education </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anjali Noronha','Eklavya<br />\nScience<br />\nMumbai<br />\nGender','inherit','closed','closed','','328-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:36:54','2022-09-21 14:36:54','',328,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=346',0,'revision','',0),(347,1,'2022-09-21 14:37:14','2022-09-21 14:37:14','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nResearching in India <br />\nInternational Professional Transitions ','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:37:14','2022-09-21 14:37:14','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=347',0,'revision','',0),(349,1,'2022-09-21 14:38:01','2022-09-21 14:38:01','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Eklavya, Children, Science, Mumbai, Gender</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anjali Noronja is an educator. She spent most of her life in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, started her work in Harda, MP, and spent some of her life in Delhi. She was involved in the founding of Eklavya schools and has studied issues around multi-lingualism, caste, and gender in education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"315\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“The only thing I felt while growing up was the only concern that I had, which my brothers didn\'t, was I must come back before dark. Whereas, for them, there was they had to come back by dinner time.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anjali discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her background growing up in Bhopal and her family’s language practices in Konkani, Portuguese, English, and Marathi</li><li>Her study of economics and journey to education</li><li>The founding of Eklayva schools</li><li>Her current views on multilingual education </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anjali Noronha','Educational Institutions <br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nScience Education<br />\nGender','inherit','closed','closed','','328-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:38:01','2022-09-21 14:38:01','',328,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=349',0,'revision','',0),(350,1,'2022-09-21 14:38:43','2022-09-21 14:38:43','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li><li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li><li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li><li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li><li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li><li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','Systems Thinking <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts<br />\nIndigenous Knowledge Systems','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:38:43','2022-09-21 14:38:43','',187,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=350',0,'revision','',0),(351,1,'2022-09-21 14:39:25','2022-09-21 14:39:25','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: South Asian American Studies, Political Anthropology, Citizenship & belonging, Race & racialization</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anar Parikh holds a Ph.D. in anthropology from the Department of Anthropology at Brown University. Her dissertaton, <em>Getting Out the Vote in South Asian Chicago </em>(2022) explores questions of race/racialization, politics, citizenship, and belonging among South Asians in the US. She was recently awarded an ACLS Leading Edge Fellowship at Asian Americans Advancing Justice Atlanta, (2022-2024) where she will be a Policy Analyst for an electoral language access campaign. She also serves on the editorial board of <em>American Anthropologist </em>as Associate Editor of the Podcast and Executive Producer of <em>Anthropological Airwaves.</em></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"171\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong>Citizenship is in itself based on exclusion or who is included as a citizen is based on who is not eligible or acknowledged as citizens</strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anar discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>What it means to be South Asian American and politically engaged in the US</li><li>Shifting South Asian American identities in civic and political spaces</li><li>Intersectionality and silence around caste in South Asian American political spaces</li><li>The tensions in negotiating a community of belonging along with critical perspectives enmeshed within community practices</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Parikh, A. (2017). Desis divided: the political lives of South Asian Americans.</li><li>Parikh, A. (2016). Lone Star Muslims: Transnational Lives and the South Asian Experience in Texas by Ahmed Afzal. <em>Anthropological Quarterly</em>, <em>89</em>(1), 345-350.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anar Parikh','South Asian Diaspora<br />\nPolitical Anthropology, <br />\nCitizenship <br />\nRace & racialization','inherit','closed','closed','','180-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:39:25','2022-09-21 14:39:25','',180,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=351',0,'revision','',0),(353,1,'2022-09-21 14:46:59','2022-09-21 14:46:59','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":200,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"Ambika Laxmi ECD Circle Time\" class=\"wp-image-200\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":201,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"Lalitha in Nepal\" class=\"wp-image-201\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview,</strong> Laitha discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her personal experiences that led her on the track of working as an educator.</li><li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li><li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div 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/wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','Literacy <br />\nTeacher Professional Development <br />\nPolitics of Language <br />\nClassroom Dynamics','inherit','closed','closed','','198-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:46:59','2022-09-21 14:46:59','',198,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=353',0,'revision','',0),(354,1,'2022-09-21 14:47:40','2022-09-21 14:47:40','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Design, gender</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farhat Ara is a science educator, researcher and a Faculty at Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design and Technology, a constituent of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, Bangalore. She is also the Head of Studies for the Creative Education course at Srishti. A PhD in Design and Technology Education with her practice rooted strongly in the constructivist philosophy, she works at the exciting intersection of Education, Biology, Technology, Design, Literature, and Art. By creating interesting synergies among different disciplines and areas of studies, her courses tap into diverse interests of students and allows for multiple forms of expressions. She has also developed teaching resource materials for teachers and has published numerous articles on education and pedagogy in peer-reviewed international journals, book, and conference proceedings.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-style-rounded\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong>How do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Laypersons’ (gendered) views of design</li><li>Her experience as a teacher of design, particularly in settings that bring together science and design </li><li>The problems and potential of design education for challenging the status quo, including her pedagogical work in frugal design and constructivism. </li><li>Current work in design education that inspires her</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Khunyakari, R., Padalkar, S., <strong>Ara, F.,</strong> Singh, G. (Forthcoming) <strong>Strengthening learning through visuospatial experiences: Initiatives from the Indian context in Learning without Burden’,</strong> Publisher: Routledge India, Taylor and Francis Group</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Farhat Ara','Design Education<br />\nDesign Thinking <br />\nGender <br />\nSTEM Education','inherit','closed','closed','','216-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:47:40','2022-09-21 14:47:40','',216,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=354',0,'revision','',0),(355,1,'2022-09-21 14:48:20','2022-09-21 14:48:20','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Gender, Science, Queerness, Schooling, Home</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chayanika Shah is an educator, writer, researcher and feminist activist. She has a doctorate in Physics and has taught Physics to graduate students for two decades. Since then she has designed and co-taught post-graduate courses in Science Education and Feminist Science Studies. She has worked and written extensively on feminist studies of science, the politics of population control and reproductive technologies, communalism, and sexuality and sexual rights, besides teaching physics over the last several decades.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"177\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong>Something that has to be done at the school level, <strong>very consciously so that all of us become different kinds of people. In that atmosphere, that is what I call a queer transformation</strong>.</strong></p><cite>– Chayanika Shah</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Chayanika discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The intersecting roles that home, school, sports, and university settings play in developing personal and social conceptions of gender</li><li>Her personal experience and research around the gaps between socially marginalized identities, and the “objectivity” of science practice which furthers this marginalization.</li><li>A weaving of different thinkers and spaces about the construction of gender across various kinds of everyday lives. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://www.epw.in/author/chayanika-shah\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Writing in EPW</a></li><li>Chadha, G., & Achuthan, A. (2017). Feminist Science Studies. <em>Economic and Political Weekly</em>, <em>52</em>(17), 7-8.</li><li>Shiva, V. (1988). <em>Staying alive: Women, ecology, and survival in India</em> (Vol. 84). New Delhi: Kali for Women.</li><li>Shah, C. (2021). <em>Space, Segregation, Discrimination</em>. Yoda Press.</li><li>Shah, C, Merchant, R, Mahajan, S, & Nevatia, S (2015). No Outlaws in the Gender Galaxy. New Delhi: Zubaan books.</li><li>Shah C. From Numbers to Structures: Navigating the Complex Terrains of Science, Education and Feminism. <em>Contemporary Education Dialogue</em>. 2012;9(2):145-171.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chayanika Shah','Queerness <br />\nGender <br />\nScience <br />\nEducational Institutions<br />','inherit','closed','closed','','149-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:48:20','2022-09-21 14:48:20','',149,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=355',0,'revision','',0),(356,1,'2022-09-21 14:49:00','2022-09-21 14:49:00','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: STEM education, Educational Technology, Researching in Indian context, Professional transition from the US to India</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Chandan Dasgupta is an Assistant Professor in the Educational Technology interdisciplinary program at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. He is interested in designing technology-enhanced learning environments for supporting collaborative learning, socially shared regulation of learning, and uncertainty management in STEM. He uses a socio-cultural perspective to investigate how learning unfolds in formal and informal contexts. Chandan has a PhD in Learning Sciences from the University of Illinois at Chicago (USA), MS in Human-Computer Interaction from Georgia Tech (USA), and has done post-doctoral work in Engineering Education Research at Purdue University (USA).</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://sites.google.com/view/chandandasgupta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"237\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] Y<strong><strong><strong>ou feel that you know everything, but then it\'s not really the case. You are coming to a different context. You\'re working with different groups of people here, both from a research and target demographic perspective. So, not having that grand plan or notion of that I would change the system or overhaul the whole education structure here in India [is important].<strong>”</strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Chandan discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His ongoing research and practice-based projects </li><li>Their connections with the broader context of the pandemic in India</li><li>What it means to research in India</li><li>How he has transitioned from being at a US institution to now being a researcher scholar in India </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul id=\"m_6744541384899413220docs-internal-guid-85e77063-7fff-9485-d0fb-7b1de3b299de\"><li>Badhe, V., Priyadarshini, R., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding SSRL Strategies And Its Impact On Group Performance In a CSCL Environment: A Case Study From a Project-Based Learning Course in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 187-194).</li><li>Kaur, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Investigating Experts’ and Middle School Learners’ Uncertainty Management During Collaborative Engineering Design Tasks. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 107-114).</li><li>Swamy, N., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Understanding and Leveraging Contradictions of Instructional Activities for Fostering Students’ Agency. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1661-1664).</li><li>Alekh, V., & <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong> (2022). Distributed Creativity Mediated by Social and Material Interactions in a Collaborative Pop-up Makerspace in India. <em>Proceedings of the 16th International Society of the Learning Sciences, 2022.</em> Hiroshima, Japan, June 6-10 (p. 1301-1304).5. <strong>Dasgupta, C.</strong>, Magana, A. J., & Vieira, C. (2019). Investigating the affordances of a CAD enabled learning environment for promoting integrated STEM learning. <em>Computers & Education</em>, <em>129</em>, 122-142. <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2018.10.014</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Chandan Dasgupta','STEM Education <br />\nEducational Technology <br />\nLearning Theories <br />\nInternational Professional Transitions ','inherit','closed','closed','','242-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:49:00','2022-09-21 14:49:00','',242,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=356',0,'revision','',0),(357,1,'2022-09-21 14:49:41','2022-09-21 14:49:41','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":260,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-260\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":261,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-261\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":262,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-262\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":269,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":268,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li><li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li><li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li><li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','Indigenous Knowledge Systems<br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nAdivasi Cultures<br />\nEducational Institutions','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:49:41','2022-09-21 14:49:41','',235,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=357',0,'revision','',0),(358,1,'2022-09-21 14:51:06','2022-09-21 14:51:06','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: <em>Punarchith</em>, social transformation learning, rural youth, sustainability</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: A.R.Vasavi, a Social Anthropologist, was earlier with the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bengaluru. She is currently with the PUNARCHITH COLLECTIVE that works on alternative learning for rural youth. Her academic interests are in the fields of agrarian studies, sociology of India, and education studies.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://punarchith.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"124\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":287,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-scaled.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-1024x681.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-287\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":285,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-285\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":283,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-283\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":282,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Bee-Keeping-Class.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Bee-Keeping-Class.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-282\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":284,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-scaled.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-284\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":286,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Session-on-Seeds-scaled.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Session-on-Seeds-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-286\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So <em>Punarchith</em> means re-think… It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world… for the rural youths [to] draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li><li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li><li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li><li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li></li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','A.R. Vasavi','Social Transformation Learning <br />\nEducation NGO <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts','inherit','closed','closed','','280-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:51:06','2022-09-21 14:51:06','',280,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=358',0,'revision','',0),(360,1,'2022-09-21 14:53:48','2022-09-21 14:53:48','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Caste, Gender, Feminist Theories, History, Dalit Women</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Shailaja Paik is Associate Professor of History and Affiliate in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at the University of Cincinnati. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"112\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Education is not merely for gaining degrees or getting employment, but it has a significant potential for fighting systemic oppression. And that is …where I see Dalit pedagogy is heading.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Dr. Paik discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her motivation for centering Dalit Women in her work. </li><li>What terms she uses to refer to caste-oppressed communities and why</li><li>Theories (e.g., Black feminism, Dalit activism, critical pedagogy) and methods (oral history) she uses to understand Dalit women’s educational experiences </li><li>Her recommendations, based on her research and praxis, for supporting Dalit pedagogy. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Her first book Dalit Women\'s Education in Modern India: Double Discrimination (London and New York: Routledge, 2014) examines the nexus between caste, class, gender, and state pedagogical practices among Dalit (\"Untouchable\") women in urban India. </li><li>Her second book The Vulgarity of Caste: Dalits, Sexuality, and Humanity (Stanford University Press) focuses on the politics of caste, class, gender, sexuality, and popular culture in modern Maharashtra.</li><li><a><strong>Dr. Ambedkar and the “Prostitute”: Caste, Sexuality, and Humanity</strong>, Gender and History</a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1468-0424.12557\" target=\"_blank\">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1468-0424.12557</a>.</li><li><strong>Dalit Feminist Thought</strong>, Economic and Political Weekly, Special Article, 56:25, June 19, 2021. Also published as book chapter in Leela Fernandes ed. <em>Routledge Handbook of Gender in South Asia</em>.</li></ol>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Shailaja Paik','Caste<br />\nGender<br /> \nHistory of Education<br />\nFeminist Theories<br />','inherit','closed','closed','','279-revision-v1','','','2022-09-21 14:53:48','2022-09-21 14:53:48','',279,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=360',0,'revision','',0),(361,1,'2022-09-21 15:01:58','2022-09-21 15:01:58','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, Anita (2021) A Rendering of Disability and Gender in the COVID-19 Era, EPW , Vol. 56, Issue No. 11, 13 Mar, 2021</li><li>Ghai Anita (2020) Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia in R. 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href=\"#Vishesh\"><em>Vishesh</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Deborah\">Deborah</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":555,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"0px\",\"width\":\"0px\",\"style\":\"none\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/deborah-pic-2-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-555\" style=\"border-style:none;border-width:0px;border-radius:0px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I am a researcher working at the interface between environmental education, urban studies and cognitive psychology, with a focus on community-practice based approaches such as urban farming. Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:visheshkay@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">visheshkay@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','publish','closed','closed','','about-us','','','2022-11-20 23:45:30','2022-11-20 23:45:30','',6,'https://www.salsrc.net/?page_id=369',0,'page','',0),(370,1,'2022-09-28 03:10:14','2022-09-28 03:10:14','<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">About Me</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Motivation for Participating in Manthan</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Deborah</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">About Me</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I am a researcher working at the interface between environmental education, urban studies and cognitive psychology, with a focus on community-practice based approaches such as urban farming. Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? 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What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">About Me</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">About Me</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. 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At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. 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By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? 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What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. 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I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. 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Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Deborah</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I am a researcher working at the interface between environmental education, urban studies and cognitive psychology, with a focus on community-practice based approaches such as urban farming. Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? 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What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. 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They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. 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This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','inherit','closed','closed','','369-revision-v1','','','2022-09-28 03:11:29','2022-09-28 03:11:29','',369,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=372',0,'revision','',0),(373,1,'2022-09-28 03:18:26','2022-09-28 03:18:26','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"background\",\"textColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"padding\":{\"top\":\"0\",\"right\":\"0\",\"bottom\":\"0\",\"left\":\"0\"}}},\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) html{ auto; is-style-outline\"} 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/wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While we describe our individual motivations on the about page, our collective is also theoretically motivated by studying learning in contexts outside “the west” to deepen our understandings of what, how, when, and why people learn (Members of SALSRC, 2021). Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. 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Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. 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If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. 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Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. In doing so, we hope it becomes easier to envision what the field of the learning sciences will become by embracing plural epistemologies and critical dialogues across contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Our Process','','inherit','closed','closed','','373-revision-v1','','','2022-09-28 03:18:26','2022-09-28 03:18:26','',373,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=374',0,'revision','',0),(376,1,'2022-09-28 03:35:45','2022-09-28 03:35:45','<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) is an affinity group for South Asian-identifying scholars to engage in conversation and action around the role of learning sciences research with, by, and for South Asian people. SALSRC explicitly foregrounds equity-oriented and decolonial perspectives to educational research. Its three core goals are to: (1) Support South Asian scholars in the learning sciences and related fields; (2) Facilitate collaboration around learning sciences research in South Asian contexts, and; (3) Advance heterogeneous South Asian Ways of knowing and learning. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We use the term “South Asia” as used by the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation to refer to current-day Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Maldives, Nepal, India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. Given the complex histories of this region and the movement of people across time, we welcome participants who identify with the term “South Asian” either within or outside of these enumerated national boundaries.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the name, we certainly welcome participation by folks regardless of how they position themselves relative to the learning sciences, although we are an education research-focused group.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>If you’d like to get involved, please reach out to connect! 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li><li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li><li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li><li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li><li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li><li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li><li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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Our students are in absolutely different condition.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His experiences as a teacher and teacher mentor in Delhi public schools</li><li>His observations about student demographics and teacher mindsets around them</li><li>Teachers as professionals and challenges to realize the same</li><li>His vision for equity and social justice within public schools in India</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Deconstructing Gender in the Classroom [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/118\">link</a>]</li><li>Turnaround of public education in Delhi [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/17\">link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Murari Jha','Teacher as Professionals<br />\nEducational Institutions<br />\nStudent Representation <br />\nTeacher Mentorship','inherit','closed','closed','','399-revision-v1','','','2022-10-04 05:44:16','2022-10-04 05:44:16','',399,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=403',0,'revision','',0),(404,1,'2022-10-04 06:09:06','2022-10-04 06:09:06','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":439,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/farah_farooqi.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-439\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Religion, Educational Institutions, Urban Contexts, Working Class Students</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farah Farooqi is a Professor of Education at the Faculty of Education, Jamia Millia Islamia, Delhi. Previously, she worked for eight years at the Department of Elementary Education, Lady Sri Ram College, Delhi. Farah has written on issues of education, identity, marginalization, ghettoization, and cultural politics. Farah writes both in Hindi and English. Her journey as Manager of a government-aided school documented in this book was previously published by the Eklavya as <em>Aik School Manager ki Diary</em>. Farah has contributed as chief advisor and author to the <a href=\"https://ncert.nic.in/\">National Council for Educational Research and Training (NCERT)</a> textbooks for Environmental Studies for Classes IV and V published between 2006 and 2008. She has also written for teachers and teacher-trainees.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"341\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong> I’ve seen you know how children\'s everyday life is affected by the social and economic pressures and tried to see the life context of these children.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div 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/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"341\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong> I’ve seen you know how children\'s everyday life is affected by the social and economic pressures and tried to see the life context of these children.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farah discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The history and present of Muslim folks in Old Delhi neighborhoods developing their particular political and social consciousness</li><li>Her role as a manager in the school of the same neighborhood – teaching, observing, learning, and analyzing</li><li>Her highlights across the organization of the school, the interpersonal politics and different spaces where connection and organization occurs, and the harsh material realities of children’s lives and the limits of schooling for them</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- 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Mr Jha is an alumnus of TISS,( Mumbai). He has recently authored a book-The Fulbright Experience. Mr Jha has written and presented research papers at various international conferences and he is also a member of the executive council of Comparative Education Society of India (CESI). He is a recipient of teacher fellowship from Regional Resource Centre of Elementary Education (RRCEE), CIE, University of Delhi and maintains a blog titled- <a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\">reflectivediary.com</a>. Mr Jha received an excellence award from International Human Rights Organisation(IHRO) in 2021. In 2017, He received Special State Award from the Delhi State for his contribution in the Education Sector. Currently, he is also pursuing his PhD from Jamia Milia Islamia.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>Most of the school rules and regulations and norms are basically designed keeping in mind the middle class values, right? That the parents are working. They have everything. Children get up at time, go to the bus and come to this school, get back. Our students are in absolutely different condition.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>His experiences as a teacher and teacher mentor in Delhi public schools</li><li>His observations about student demographics and teacher mindsets around them</li><li>Teachers as professionals and challenges to realize the same</li><li>His vision for equity and social justice within public schools in India</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Deconstructing Gender in the Classroom [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/118\">link</a>]</li><li>Turnaround of public education in Delhi [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/17\">link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Murari Jha','Teacher as Professionals<br />\nEducational Institutions<br />\nStudent Representation <br />\nTeacher Mentorship','inherit','closed','closed','','399-revision-v1','','','2022-10-05 14:32:24','2022-10-05 14:32:24','',399,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=409',0,'revision','',0),(414,1,'2022-10-05 14:55:19','2022-10-05 14:55:19','<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> - the word - means deep introspection, reflection that churns your thoughts and leaves you unsettled. This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li><li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li><li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li><li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li><li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li><li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li><li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-10-05 14:55:19','2022-10-05 14:55:19','',6,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=414',0,'revision','',0),(415,1,'2022-10-05 14:59:11','2022-10-05 14:59:11','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: <em>Punarchith</em>, social transformation learning, rural youth, sustainability</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: A.R.Vasavi, a Social Anthropologist, was earlier with the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bengaluru. 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draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li><li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li><li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li><li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li><li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li><li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li><li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li><li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li><li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li><li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-10-12 09:26:09','2022-10-12 09:26:09','',6,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=417',0,'revision','',0),(419,1,'2022-10-13 14:23:55','2022-10-13 14:23:55','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, Anita (2021) A Rendering of Disability and Gender in the COVID-19 Era, EPW , Vol. 56, Issue No. 11, 13 Mar, 2021</li><li>Ghai Anita (2020) Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia in R. Shuttleworth & Linda Mona eds. The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality pg 352-365 </li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020) Ignorance of Disability: Some Epistemological Questions Mehrotra, Nilika (ed). 2020. Disability Studies in India:Interdisciplinary Perspectives. Singapore: Springer (April 3rd 2020)</li><li>Ghai, A (2018) Disability, Exclusions, and Resistance: An Indian Context in in Zoya Hasan Aziz Z. HuqMartha C. Nussbaum Vidhu Verma(eds) The Empire of Disgust. Oxford University Press </li><li>Ghai, A (2018) What it takes to understand the intimate core of my disabled self. Point Of view , 2018 December https://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/12/intimate- core-of-my-disabled-self/</li></ol>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anita Ghai','Disability<br />\nGender<br />\nDisability Studies<br />\nEducational Policy','inherit','closed','closed','','325-revision-v1','','','2022-10-13 14:23:55','2022-10-13 14:23:55','',325,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=419',0,'revision','',0),(420,1,'2022-10-13 14:24:23','2022-10-13 14:24:23','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, Anita (2021) A Rendering of Disability and Gender in the COVID-19 Era, EPW , Vol. 56, Issue No. 11, 13 Mar, 2021</li><li>Ghai Anita (2020) Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia in R. Shuttleworth & Linda Mona eds. The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality pg 352-365 </li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020) Ignorance of Disability: Some Epistemological Questions Mehrotra, Nilika (ed). 2020. Disability Studies in India:Interdisciplinary Perspectives. Singapore: Springer (April 3rd 2020)</li><li>Ghai, A (2018) Disability, Exclusions, and Resistance: An Indian Context in in Zoya Hasan Aziz Z. HuqMartha C. Nussbaum Vidhu Verma(eds) The Empire of Disgust. Oxford University Press </li><li>Ghai, A (2018) What it takes to understand the intimate core of my disabled self. Point Of view , 2018 December https://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/12/intimate- core-of-my-disabled-self/</li></ol>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anita Ghai','Disability<br />\nGender<br />\nDisability Studies<br />\nEducational Policy','inherit','closed','closed','','325-revision-v1','','','2022-10-13 14:24:23','2022-10-13 14:24:23','',325,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=420',0,'revision','',0),(421,1,'2022-10-13 14:25:15','2022-10-13 14:25:15','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, Anita (2021). A Rendering of Disability and Gender in the COVID-19 Era, EPW , Vol. 56, Issue No. 11, 13 Mar, 2021</li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020). Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia in R. Shuttleworth & Linda Mona eds. The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality pg 352-365 </li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020). Ignorance of Disability: Some Epistemological Questions Mehrotra, Nilika (ed). 2020. Disability Studies in India:Interdisciplinary Perspectives. Singapore: Springer (April 3rd 2020)</li><li>Ghai, Anita (2018). Disability, Exclusions, and Resistance: An Indian Context in in Zoya Hasan Aziz Z. HuqMartha C. Nussbaum Vidhu Verma(eds) The Empire of Disgust. Oxford University Press </li><li><a href=\"https://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/12/intimate- core-of-my-disabled-self/\">Ghai, A (2018) What it takes to understand the intimate core of my disabled self. Point Of view , 2018 December </a></li></ol>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anita Ghai','Disability<br />\nGender<br />\nDisability Studies<br />\nEducational Policy','inherit','closed','closed','','325-revision-v1','','','2022-10-13 14:25:15','2022-10-13 14:25:15','',325,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=421',0,'revision','',0),(424,1,'2022-10-13 15:08:17','2022-10-13 15:08:17','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><li>Ghai, A. (2021). A rendering of disability and gender in the Covid-19 era. <em>Economic and Political Weekly, 56</em>(11).</li><li>Ghai, A. (2020). Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia. In R. Shuttleworth & L. Mona (Eds.), <em>The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality</em> (pp. 352-365). Routledge.</li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020). Ignorance of disability: Some epistemological questions. In N. Mehrotra (Ed.), <em>Disability studies in India: Interdisciplinary perspectives.</em> Springer. </li><li>Ghai, Anita (2018). Disability, Exclusions, and Resistance: An Indian Context in in Zoya Hasan Aziz Z. HuqMartha C. Nussbaum Vidhu Verma(eds) The Empire of Disgust. Oxford University Press </li><li><a href=\"https://blog.sexualityanddisability.org/2017/12/intimate- core-of-my-disabled-self/\">Ghai, A (2018) What it takes to understand the intimate core of my disabled self. Point Of view , 2018 December </a></li></ol>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anita Ghai','Disability<br />\nGender<br />\nDisability Studies<br />\nEducational Policy','inherit','closed','closed','','325-revision-v1','','','2022-10-13 15:08:17','2022-10-13 15:08:17','',325,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=424',0,'revision','',0),(425,1,'2022-10-13 15:11:31','2022-10-13 15:11:31','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li><li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li><li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li><li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li><li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Ghai, A. (2021). A rendering of disability and gender in the Covid-19 era. <em>Economic and Political Weekly, 56</em>(11).</li><li>Ghai, A. (2020). Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia. In R. Shuttleworth & L. Mona (Eds.), <em>The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality</em> (pp. 352-365). Routledge.</li><li>Ghai, Anita (2020). Ignorance of disability: Some epistemological questions. In N. Mehrotra (Ed.), <em>Disability studies in India: Interdisciplinary perspectives.</em> Springer. </li><li>Ghai, Anita (2018). Disability, exclusions, and resistance: An Indian Context. In Z. Hasan, A.Z. Huq, M.C. Nussbaum, & V. Verrma (Eds.), <em>The empire of disgust: Prejudice, discrimination, and policy in India and the US. </em>Oxford University Press</li><li>Ghai, A (2018) What it takes to understand the intimate core of my disabled self. Available here: https://medium.com/skin-stories/what-it-takes-to-understand-the-intimate-core-of-my-disabled-self-864a58291b49</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anita Ghai','Disability<br />\nGender<br />\nDisability Studies<br />\nEducational Policy','inherit','closed','closed','','325-revision-v1','','','2022-10-13 15:11:31','2022-10-13 15:11:31','',325,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=425',0,'revision','',0),(426,1,'2022-10-17 06:56:28','2022-10-17 06:56:28','','Screen-Shot-2022-10-17-at-1.56.13-AM','','inherit','','closed','','screen-shot-2022-10-17-at-1-56-13-am','','','2022-10-17 06:56:28','2022-10-17 06:56:28','',404,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-17-at-1.56.13-AM.png',0,'attachment','image/png',0),(428,1,'2022-10-17 08:29:29','2022-10-17 08:29:29','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":426,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Screen-Shot-2022-10-17-at-1.56.13-AM-1024x1011.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-426\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Religion, Educational Institutions, Urban Contexts, Working Class Students</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Professor Farah Farooqi has been associated with <a href=\"https://www.jmi.ac.in/\">Jamia Milia Islamia</a>, a central university situated in Delhi, as Faculty of Education for over 13 years. Before this, she spent 8 years working with Lady Sriram College at Delhi University and a few years with the <a href=\"https://ncert.nic.in/\">NCERT (National Council of Educational Research and Training)</a>.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"341\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong> I’ve seen you know how children\'s everyday life is affected by the social and economic pressures and tried to see the life context of these children.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farah discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>The history and present of Muslim folks in Old Delhi neighborhoods developing their particular political and social consciousness</li><li>Her role as a manager in the school of the same neighborhood – teaching, observing, learning, and analyzing</li><li>Her highlights across the organization of the school, the interpersonal politics and different spaces where connection and organization occurs, and the harsh material realities of children’s lives and the limits of schooling for them</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Understanding Life and Education in an Urban \"Ghetto\": Shafiq Memorial and Bara Hindu Rao, Delhi”, Education and the Urban in India, Working Paper Series, Max Weber Stiflung: India Branch and German Historical Institute, London,pp 1 to 33 2019 <a href=\"https://doi.org/10.25360/01-2019-00029\">https://doi.org/10.25360/01-2019-00029</a></li><li>“Silenced and Marginalised: Voices from an Ordinary Sarkari-Aided School of Delhi” Economic & Political Weekly, September 23, 2017 vol lII no 38. • “Encounters and the Telling Silence of Children”, Economic & Political Weekly, Vol. 47, No. 20, 2012, Pp. 55-63</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Farah Farooqi','Religion <br />\nEducational Institutions <br />\nUrban Contexts <br />\nWorking Class Students <br />','inherit','closed','closed','','404-revision-v1','','','2022-10-17 08:29:29','2022-10-17 08:29:29','',404,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=428',0,'revision','',0),(430,1,'2022-10-26 14:22:07','2022-10-26 14:22:07','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: <em>Punarchith</em>, social transformation learning, rural youth, sustainability</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: A.R.Vasavi, a Social Anthropologist, was earlier with the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bengaluru. She is currently with the PUNARCHITH COLLECTIVE that works on alternative learning for rural youth. 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R. (2023). <em>Differentiation and Disjunction: Interrogating India’s Education System</em>. Orient Blackswan Pvt Ltd.</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','A.R. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li><li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li><li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li><li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li><li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li><li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li><li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li><li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li><li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li><li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li><li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li><li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li><li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li><li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-01 06:51:37','2022-11-01 06:51:37','',6,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=433',0,'revision','',0),(435,1,'2022-11-08 15:50:42','2022-11-08 15:50:42','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Disability, Gender, Disability Studies, Educational Policy</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anita Ghai is a professor at Ambedkar University Delhi. Her expertise is in disability studies and gender and sexuality. She was previously the former President of the Indian Association for Women’s Studies. A sampling of her publications can be found below. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"317\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Don\'t forget that there is somewhere an epistemology of disability. And it\'s not that when you do something just as a conceptual category, but you have to understand that what is the knowledge system? How do we understand the knowledge? And how we understand that ontology, knowledge, experience, all are important aspects.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anita discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her own experiences as a disabled child and educational experiences </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her journey towards becoming a scholar of disability </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Disability and education, and the role of governments and NGOs therein </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Relationships among disability, gender, and sexuality</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Scholarship on which she draws and contributes to, specifically in the realm of disability studies. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ghai, A. (2021). A rendering of disability and gender in the Covid-19 era. <em>Economic and Political Weekly, 56</em>(11).</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ghai, A. (2020). Reimagining sexuality in the disability discourse in South Asia. In R. Shuttleworth & L. Mona (Eds.), <em>The Routledge Handbook of Disability and Sexuality</em> (pp. 352-365). Routledge.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ghai, Anita (2020). Ignorance of disability: Some epistemological questions. In N. Mehrotra (Ed.), <em>Disability studies in India: Interdisciplinary perspectives.</em> Springer. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ghai, Anita (2018). Disability, exclusions, and resistance: An Indian Context. In Z. Hasan, A.Z. Huq, M.C. Nussbaum, & V. 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She has also developed teaching resource materials for teachers and has published numerous articles on education and pedagogy in peer-reviewed international journals, book, and conference proceedings.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong>How do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?</strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Laypersons’ (gendered) views of design</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her experience as a teacher of design, particularly in settings that bring together science and design </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The problems and potential of design education for challenging the status quo, including her pedagogical work in frugal design and constructivism. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Current work in design education that inspires her</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Khunyakari, R., Padalkar, S., <strong>Ara, F.,</strong> Singh, G. 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To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":200,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"Ambika Laxmi ECD Circle Time\" class=\"wp-image-200\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":201,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"Lalitha in Nepal\" class=\"wp-image-201\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong>When you stand as an adult, as a teacher before the students, before the young minds, I think it requires quite a lot of courage, if you want to be true to yourself.</strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview,</strong> Laitha discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her personal experiences that led her on the track of working as an educator.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed 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wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','Literacy <br />\nTeacher Professional Development <br />\nPolitics of Language <br />\nClassroom Dynamics','inherit','closed','closed','','198-revision-v1','','','2022-11-08 15:52:41','2022-11-08 15:52:41','',198,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=437',0,'revision','',0),(438,1,'2022-11-08 15:53:25','2022-11-08 15:53:25','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Educational Institutions, Politics of Language, Science Education, Curriculum Development</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Anjali Noronja is an educator. She spent most of her life in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, started her work in Harda, MP, and spent some of her life in Delhi. She was involved in the founding of Eklavya schools and has studied issues around multi-lingualism, caste, and gender in education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"315\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“The only thing I felt while growing up was the only concern that I had, which my brothers didn\'t, was I must come back before dark. Whereas, for them, there was they had to come back by dinner time.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anjali discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her background growing up in Bhopal and her family’s language practices in Konkani, Portuguese, English, and Marathi</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her study of economics and journey to education</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The founding of Eklayva schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her current views on multilingual education </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anjali Noronha','Educational Institutions <br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nScience Education<br />\nCurriculum Development','inherit','closed','closed','','328-revision-v1','','','2022-11-08 15:53:25','2022-11-08 15:53:25','',328,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=438',0,'revision','',0),(439,1,'2022-11-09 23:27:35','2022-11-09 23:27:35','','farah_farooqi','','inherit','','closed','','farah_farooqi','','','2022-11-09 23:27:35','2022-11-09 23:27:35','',404,'https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/farah_farooqi.jpeg',0,'attachment','image/jpeg',0),(440,1,'2022-11-09 23:28:17','2022-11-09 23:28:17','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":439,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/farah_farooqi.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-439\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Religion, Educational Institutions, Urban Contexts, Working Class Students</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farah Farooqi is a Professor of Education at the Faculty of Education, Jamia Millia Islamia, Delhi. Previously, she worked for eight years at the Department of Elementary Education, Lady Sri Ram College, Delhi. Farah has written on issues of education, identity, marginalization, ghettoization, and cultural politics. Farah writes both in Hindi and English. Her journey as Manager of a government-aided school documented in this book was previously published by the Eklavya as <em>Aik School Manager ki Diary</em>. Farah has contributed as chief advisor and author to the <a href=\"https://ncert.nic.in/\">National Council for Educational Research and Training (NCERT)</a> textbooks for Environmental Studies for Classes IV and V published between 2006 and 2008. She has also written for teachers and teacher-trainees.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"341\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong> I’ve seen you know how children\'s everyday life is affected by the social and economic pressures and tried to see the life context of these children.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farah discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The history and present of Muslim folks in Old Delhi neighborhoods developing their particular political and social consciousness</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her role as a manager in the school of the same neighborhood – teaching, observing, learning, and analyzing</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her highlights across the organization of the school, the interpersonal politics and different spaces where connection and organization occurs, and the harsh material realities of children’s lives and the limits of schooling for them</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Understanding Life and Education in an Urban \"Ghetto\": Shafiq Memorial and Bara Hindu Rao, Delhi”, Education and the Urban in India, Working Paper Series, Max Weber Stiflung: India Branch and German Historical Institute, London,pp 1 to 33 2019 <a href=\"https://doi.org/10.25360/01-2019-00029\">https://doi.org/10.25360/01-2019-00029</a></li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>“Silenced and Marginalised: Voices from an Ordinary Sarkari-Aided School of Delhi” Economic & Political Weekly, September 23, 2017 vol lII no 38. • “Encounters and the Telling Silence of Children”, Economic & Political Weekly, Vol. 47, No. 20, 2012, Pp. 55-63</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Farah Farooqi','Religion <br />\nEducational Institutions <br />\nUrban Contexts <br />\nWorking Class Students <br />','inherit','closed','closed','','404-revision-v1','','','2022-11-09 23:28:17','2022-11-09 23:28:17','',404,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=440',0,'revision','',0),(442,1,'2022-11-10 00:07:24','2022-11-10 00:07:24','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Design Education, Design Thinking, Gender, STEM Education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Farhat Ara is a science educator, researcher and a Faculty at Srishti Manipal Institute of Art, Design and Technology, a constituent of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, Bangalore. She is also the Head of Studies for the Creative Education course at Srishti. A PhD in Design and Technology Education with her practice rooted strongly in the constructivist philosophy, she works at the exciting intersection of Education, Biology, Technology, Design, Literature, and Art. By creating interesting synergies among different disciplines and areas of studies, her courses tap into diverse interests of students and allows for multiple forms of expressions. She has also developed teaching resource materials for teachers and has published numerous articles on education and pedagogy in peer-reviewed international journals, book, and conference proceedings.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"218\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong>How do I really help them to grasp things that I\'m fascinated with and also that fascinates them, right?</strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Farhat discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Laypersons’ (gendered) views of design</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her experience as a teacher of design, particularly in settings that bring together science and design </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The problems and potential of design education for challenging the status quo, including her pedagogical work in frugal design and constructivism. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Current work in design education that inspires her</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Khunyakari, R., Padalkar, S., <strong>Ara, F.,</strong> Singh, G. 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And that is …where I see Dalit pedagogy is heading.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Dr. Paik discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her motivation for centering Dalit Women in her work. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>What terms she uses to refer to caste-oppressed communities and why</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Theories (e.g., Black feminism, Dalit activism, critical pedagogy) and methods (oral history) she uses to understand Dalit women’s educational experiences </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her recommendations, based on her research and praxis, for supporting Dalit pedagogy. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her first book <em>Dalit Women\'s Education in Modern India: Double Discrimination</em> (London and New York: Routledge, 2014) examines the nexus between caste, class, gender, and state pedagogical practices among Dalit (\"Untouchable\") women in urban India. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her second book <em>The Vulgarity of Caste: Dalits, Sexuality, and Humanity</em> (Stanford University Press) focuses on the politics of caste, class, gender, sexuality, and popular culture in modern Maharashtra.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Paik, S. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. 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wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> - the word - means deep introspection, reflection that churns your thoughts and leaves you unsettled. This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3>Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgements\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 09:12:23','2022-11-16 09:12:23','',6,'https://salsrc.net/?p=475',0,'revision','',0),(477,1,'2022-11-16 09:13:40','2022-11-16 09:13:40','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) { html{ scroll-behavior: auto; } }\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) html{ auto;\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#About-Manthan\" rel=\"#About-Manthan\"><em>About Manthan</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Interview-List\"><em><em>Interviews</em></em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons {\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"blockGap\":\"0\"}}} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Acknowledgments\"><em>Acknowledgments</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Funding\"><em><em><em><em>Funding</em></em></em></em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 has-custom-font-size has-medium-font-size\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Publications\"><em>Publications</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons {\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"blockGap\":\"0\"}}} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Suggested-Citation\"><em>Suggested Citation</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p id=\"About-Manthan\"><em>Manthan</em> - the word - means deep introspection, reflection that churns your thoughts and leaves you unsettled. This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgements\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. 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We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List <a href=\"#Top\" data-type=\"internal\" data-id=\"#Top\">^</a></h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgements\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3} -->\n<h3 id=\"Interview-List\"></h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgements\">Acknowledgements</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We express our sincere gratitude to: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":3,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h3 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h3>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":1,\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h1 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h1>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgements\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 09:21:17','2022-11-16 09:21:17','',6,'https://salsrc.net/?p=481',0,'revision','',0),(482,1,'2022-11-16 09:22:19','2022-11-16 09:22:19','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) { html{ scroll-behavior: auto; } }\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) html{ auto;\" id=\"Top\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#About-Manthan\" rel=\"\"><em>About Manthan</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Interview-List\"><em><em>Interviews</em></em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons {\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"blockGap\":\"0\"}}} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Acknowledgments\"><em>Acknowledgments</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Funding\"><em><em><em><em>Funding</em></em></em></em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 has-custom-font-size has-medium-font-size\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Publications\"><em>Publications</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons {\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"blockGap\":\"0\"}}} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-primary-background-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"#Suggested-Citation\"><em>Suggested Citation</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p id=\"About-Manthan\"><em>Manthan</em> - the word - means deep introspection, reflection that churns your thoughts and leaves you unsettled. This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ মন্থন मंथन ','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 09:22:19','2022-11-16 09:22:19','',6,'https://salsrc.net/?p=482',0,'revision','',0),(483,1,'2022-11-16 09:24:10','2022-11-16 09:24:10','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Politics of Math education, STEM Education, Indigenous Knowledge Systems, Education NGOs</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: I am trained in Mathematics, specifically in an area called Algebraic Geometry, where one worries about geometric properties of abstract mathematical concepts such as curves, surfaces, higher dimensional spaces, and so on. Currently my research interests mainly involve the questions of mathematics, science and technology education and what it means for the human social existence.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/people/academic/tathagata-sengupta\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"338\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“What happens if in the name of mathematics educations we don\'t center this formal abstract mathematics to begin with, but we actually center, let\'s say, the question of health, and wellbeing, and freedom, and autonomy?”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Tathagata discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His personal stories that led to think differently about mathematics education</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The role of gender, socioeconomic class, and religion in Indian educational context</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The complexity associated with multilingual education</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Khunyakari, R., Padalkar, S., <strong>Ara, F.,</strong> Singh, G. 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Mr Jha is an alumnus of TISS,( Mumbai). He has recently authored a book-The Fulbright Experience. Mr Jha has written and presented research papers at various international conferences and he is also a member of the executive council of Comparative Education Society of India (CESI). He is a recipient of teacher fellowship from Regional Resource Centre of Elementary Education (RRCEE), CIE, University of Delhi and maintains a blog titled- <a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\">reflectivediary.com</a>. Mr Jha received an excellence award from International Human Rights Organisation(IHRO) in 2021. In 2017, He received Special State Award from the Delhi State for his contribution in the Education Sector. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). 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Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. 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In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"width\":150,\"height\":150,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail is-resized\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"width\":150,\"height\":150,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail is-resized\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. 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Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (CITE). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (CITE). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (CITE). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. 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Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. 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Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Her academic interests are in the fields of agrarian studies, sociology of India, and education studies.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://punarchith.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"124\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":516,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-516\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":517,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-517\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":511,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"width\":\"0px\",\"style\":\"none\",\"radius\":\"10px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-default\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border is-style-default\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-511\" style=\"border-style:none;border-width:0px;border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":508,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-508\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"This image has an empty alt attribute; its file name is Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-1-1024x768.jpg\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":510,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-510\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So <em>Punarchith</em> means re-think… It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world… for the rural youths [to] draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Vasavi, A. R. (2023). <em>Differentiation and Disjunction: Interrogating India’s Education System</em>. Orient Blackswan Pvt Ltd.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','A.R. 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She is currently with the PUNARCHITH COLLECTIVE that works on alternative learning for rural youth. Her academic interests are in the fields of agrarian studies, sociology of India, and education studies.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://punarchith.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"124\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":520,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-520\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":519,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-519\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":522,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-522\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":523,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-523\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":521,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-521\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":524,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-524\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So <em>Punarchith</em> means re-think… It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world… for the rural youths [to] draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Vasavi, A. 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Vasavi','Social Transformation Learning <br />\nEducation NGO <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts','inherit','closed','closed','','280-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:02:42','2022-11-16 11:02:42','',280,'https://salsrc.net/?p=526',0,'revision','',0),(527,1,'2022-11-16 11:03:29','2022-11-16 11:03:29','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: <em>Punarchith</em>, social transformation learning, rural youth, sustainability</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: A.R.Vasavi, a Social Anthropologist, was earlier with the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bengaluru. 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Her academic interests are in the fields of agrarian studies, sociology of India, and education studies.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://punarchith.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"124\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":520,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-520\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A demonstration session on restorative agriculture</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":519,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-519\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bee Keeping Class</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":522,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-522\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Fiinal Theatre presentation</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":523,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-523\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Gender class Nov 2015</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":521,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-521\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Inaugurating a Seed Mela</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":524,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-524\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Session on Seeds</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So <em>Punarchith</em> means re-think… It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world… for the rural youths [to] draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Vasavi, A. R. (2023). <em>Differentiation and Disjunction: Interrogating India’s Education System</em>. Orient Blackswan Pvt Ltd.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','A.R. Vasavi','Social Transformation Learning <br />\nEducation NGO <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts','inherit','closed','closed','','280-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:03:29','2022-11-16 11:03:29','',280,'https://salsrc.net/?p=527',0,'revision','',0),(528,1,'2022-11-16 11:03:58','2022-11-16 11:03:58','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: <em>Punarchith</em>, social transformation learning, rural youth, sustainability</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: A.R.Vasavi, a Social Anthropologist, was earlier with the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bengaluru. She is currently with the PUNARCHITH COLLECTIVE that works on alternative learning for rural youth. Her academic interests are in the fields of agrarian studies, sociology of India, and education studies.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://punarchith.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"124\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":520,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/A-demonstration-session-on-restorative-agriculture-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-520\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A demonstration session on restorative agriculture</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":519,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bee-Keeping-Class-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-519\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bee Keeping Class</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":522,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fiinal-Theatre-presentation-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-522\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Fiinal Theatre presentation</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":523,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Gender-class-Nove-17-18th-2015-9-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-523\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Gender class Nov 2015</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":521,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Inaugurating-a-Seed-Mela-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-521\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Inaugurating a Seed Mela</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":524,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"10px\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Session-on-Seeds-2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-524\" style=\"border-radius:10px\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Session on Seeds</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So <em>Punarchith</em> means re-think… It was to reposition ourselves in a very complex world… for the rural youths [to] draw from their own lives [and] to engage with both everyday lives and the larger system in a proactive way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Professor Vasavi discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The origin of <em>Punarchith</em>, different programs, and it’s ongoing supports for rural youth</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dr. ARV’s personal journey in and out academia</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Social transformation through <em>Punarchith</em> programming</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The role of academia in causing social transformation</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Vasavi, A. R. (2023). <em>Differentiation and Disjunction: Interrogating India’s Education System</em>. Orient Blackswan Pvt Ltd.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','A.R. Vasavi','Social Transformation Learning <br />\nEducation NGO <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts','inherit','closed','closed','','280-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:03:58','2022-11-16 11:03:58','',280,'https://salsrc.net/?p=528',0,'revision','',0),(529,1,'2022-11-16 11:08:39','2022-11-16 11:08:39','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":263,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":259,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":260,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-260\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":261,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-261\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":262,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Kuchha-roa-repairing-for-the-students-to-come-to-RSV-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-262\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":269,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-269\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":268,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-268\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery -->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":531,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-531\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Boro - 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The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. 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on the Museum Day Celebration at Bishnubati</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":530,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-Baki-with-the-village-committee-members-1024x485.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-530\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Boro Baki with the village committee members</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":537,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-Baski-in-the-morning-prayer-1-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-537\"/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Boro Baski in the morning prayer</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":535,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-Baski-with-guests-in-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-535\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Boro Baski with guests in the museum</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":538,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/German-Consul-generals-visit-to-RSV-school-1-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/German-Consul-generals-visit-to-RSV-school-1-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-538\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">German Consul general\'s visit to RSV school</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":532,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/inside-the-museum.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/inside-the-museum-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-532\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Inside the museum</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":539,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-in-the-beginning-scaled.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-in-the-beginning-1024x745.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-539\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">RSV in the beginning</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":540,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-school-campus.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-school-campus-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-540\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">RSV school campus</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":541,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-school-in-2014.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/RSV-school-in-2014-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-541\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">RSV school in 2014</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Indigeneity, language, culture, education</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Boro Baski, Ph.D, is a trustee of Ghosaldanga Bishnubati Adibasi Trust and the co-founder of a Non-formal Santal school, Rolf Schoembs Vidyashram, near Santiniketan, West Bengal. The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','Indigenous Knowledge Systems<br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nAdivasi Cultures<br />\nEducational Institutions','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:09:57','2022-11-16 11:09:57','',235,'https://salsrc.net/?p=543',0,'revision','',0),(544,1,'2022-11-16 11:10:20','2022-11-16 11:10:20','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":531,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati.jpg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Boro-on-the-Museum-Day-Celebration-at-Bishnubati-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-531\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Boro - 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The school has an innovative approach to Santal education with Tagore’s emphasis on learning through play, music, arts and mother tongue. He has translated three books and written several articles in national and international journals and edited volumes.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"234\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>[...] <strong>Education should not be alien thing and it should be part of life. If education cannot be experienced, that education has no value. </strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --><cite>– Boro Baski</cite></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In this interview, Boro Baski discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The challenges around cultural disconnect for Santal youth in going to West Bengal state schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The need for education to be culturally relevant as well as help participate in one\'s community authentically</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His journey in creating and refining a school for Santal children – preserving culture a well as empowering autonomy</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li><a href=\"https://indiantribalheritage.org/?p=34362\">Essays on rural life and education by Dr. Boro Baski </a></li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li><a href=\"https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/in-their-own-language-a-school-in-west-bengals-birbhum-for-santal-children-7843955/\">In their own language: a school in West Bengal’s Birbhum for Santal children</a></li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Boro Baski','Indigenous Knowledge Systems<br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nAdivasi Cultures<br />\nEducational Institutions','inherit','closed','closed','','235-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:10:20','2022-11-16 11:10:20','',235,'https://salsrc.net/?p=544',0,'revision','',0),(545,1,'2022-11-16 11:13:05','2022-11-16 11:13:05','','lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time','','inherit','','closed','','lk_ambika-laxmi-ecd-circle-time-2','','','2022-11-16 11:13:05','2022-11-16 11:13:05','',198,'https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg',0,'attachment','image/jpeg',0),(546,1,'2022-11-16 11:13:05','2022-11-16 11:13:05','','lk_nepal_1','','inherit','','closed','','lk_nepal_1-2','','','2022-11-16 11:13:05','2022-11-16 11:13:05','',198,'https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_nepal_1.jpeg',0,'attachment','image/jpeg',0),(547,1,'2022-11-16 11:13:28','2022-11-16 11:13:28','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development, Politics of Language, Classroom Dynamics</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":545,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-545\"/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Laxmi ECD circle time</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":546,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" 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as an educator.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/a-ugandan-sojourn/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/unlearning-re-learning-and-sharing/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\",\"type\":\"wp-embed\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"teacher-plus\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-teacher-plus wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','Literacy <br />\nTeacher 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process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. To her, learning is natural but its institutionalization has taken away the joy of learning.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"185\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":545,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_Ambika-Laxmi-ECD-circle-time.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-545\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Laxmi ECD circle time</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":546,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/lk_nepal_1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-546\"/></a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">LK in Nepal</figcaption></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong>When you stand as an adult, as a teacher before the students, before the young minds, I think it requires quite a lot of courage, if you want to be true to yourself.</strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview,</strong> Laitha discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her personal experiences that led her on the track of working as an educator.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her observations of power dynamics in educational institutions, and its impact on students.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dignity of labour as an educational practice and aim in schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed 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wp-block-embed-teacher-plus\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps://www.teacherplus.org/learning-in-context/\n</div></figure>\n<!-- /wp:embed --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Lalitha Krishnamurthy','Literacy <br />\nTeacher Professional Development <br />\nPolitics of Language <br />\nClassroom Dynamics','inherit','closed','closed','','198-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:13:46','2022-11-16 11:13:46','',198,'https://salsrc.net/?p=548',0,'revision','',0),(549,1,'2022-11-16 11:17:54','2022-11-16 11:17:54','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":407,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Murari_Jha-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-407\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Teacher as Professionals, Educational Institutions, Student Representation, Teacher Mentorship</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Murari Jha, a Fulbright TEA Alumnus of the department of states, USA, is currently working as a Mentor Teacher with Delhi Government Schools. Mr Jha is an alumnus of TISS,( Mumbai). He has recently authored a book-The Fulbright Experience. Mr Jha has written and presented research papers at various international conferences and he is also a member of the executive council of Comparative Education Society of India (CESI). He is a recipient of teacher fellowship from Regional Resource Centre of Elementary Education (RRCEE), CIE, University of Delhi and maintains a blog titled- <a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\">reflectivediary.com</a>. Mr Jha received an excellence award from International Human Rights Organisation(IHRO) in 2021. In 2017, He received Special State Award from the Delhi State for his contribution in the Education Sector. Currently, he is also pursuing his PhD from Jamia Milia Islamia.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https://reflectivediary.com/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"400\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>Most of the school rules and regulations and norms are basically designed keeping in mind the middle class values, right? That the parents are working. They have everything. Children get up at time, go to the bus and come to this school, get back. Our students are in absolutely different condition.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Murari discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His experiences as a teacher and teacher mentor in Delhi public schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His observations about student demographics and teacher mindsets around them</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Teachers as professionals and challenges to realize the same</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>His vision for equity and social justice within public schools in India</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Deconstructing Gender in the Classroom [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/118\">link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Turnaround of public education in Delhi [<a href=\"https://reflectivediary.com/node/17\">link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Murari Jha','Teacher as Professionals<br />\nEducational Institutions<br />\nStudent Representation <br />\nTeacher Mentorship','inherit','closed','closed','','399-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:17:54','2022-11-16 11:17:54','',399,'https://salsrc.net/?p=549',0,'revision','',0),(550,1,'2022-11-16 11:20:37','2022-11-16 11:20:37','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Systems-thinking, sustainability, rural children, indigenous knowledge</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: An environmental scientist by training, Radha Gopalan had a career in consulting for close to 20 years after which she became an educator for middle and high school children. She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery -->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTarget\":\"_blank\",\"linkTo\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":191,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-191\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":190,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"6px\"}},\"className\":\"is-style-rounded\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large has-custom-border is-style-rounded\"><a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-scaled.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img src=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-190\" style=\"border-radius:6px\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. 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She has an abiding interest in phenomenological education and food sovereignty.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"https://rayalseemadiaries.wordpress.com/about/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"183\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:gallery {\"linkTo\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped\"><!-- wp:image {\"id\":551,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rg_1.jpeg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rg_1-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The semi-arid landscape where Radha learnt about food sovereignty\" class=\"wp-image-551\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":552,\"sizeSlug\":\"large\",\"linkDestination\":\"media\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rg_2.jpeg\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/rg_2-1024x685.jpeg\" alt=\"The path Radha took often at Rishi Valley.\n\" class=\"wp-image-552\"/></a></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></figure>\n<!-- /wp:gallery --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong>Homogenization and uniformity of education destroys creativity, destroys a child\'s ability to think, destroys the confidence of the child</strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Radha traces her interest in teaching to her frustration with the dominant educational system and its uncritical views on development, much of which now stands to endanger life-supporting systems on this planet. According to her, transforming educational practices and goals is an urgent endeavour, especially because the younger generation stand to be disproportionately affected by the ecological disruptions.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan, R., Sathaye, S. (2013). Educating to be a Part of not Apart from the Environment. J. of the Krishnamurti Schools. Issue 17, January 2013.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan. R. Livelihoods and the Commons – the backbone of life in the Drylands.(2014). Biodiversity (Official Publication of the Biodiversity Conservancy International), Volume 15, Nos. 2 – 3. Drylands Special Issue. June-Sept. 2014. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2016). Science and the Scientist in a Changing Climate. Economic and Political Weekly. Vol. 51, No. 28, July 9, 2016.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan R. (2018). Getting to the Soul of the Soil. i wonder… Science Magazine, Issue No. 4. January 2018. Azim Premji University.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Murugamma. A., Anandrao., Charanya. R, Adinarayana. N., Nookaraju, S., Gopalan, R., Ramdas, S.R., Satyamma, Ramarao, S., Vaikunta, S., Shyamamma, Food Sovereignty Alliance, India. Rev. Abraham, M., Maliekal, A., Valsangkar, S., Catholic Health Association of India. Ibrahim, G., Thar, R., Jain, A. Nirmala Niketan College of Home Science. (2018) Exploring the Potential of Diversified Traditional Food Systems to contribute to a Healthy Diet. Food Sovereignty Alliance India, Catholic Health Association India. 2018. Published by Catholic Health Association India. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Gopalan, R. (2021). Plant-based Diet isn’t Best for Nutrition and Combating Climate Change. The India Forum. July 15, 2021.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Radha Gopalan','Systems Thinking <br />\nSustainability <br />\nRural Contexts<br />\nIndigenous Knowledge Systems','inherit','closed','closed','','187-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 11:21:25','2022-11-16 11:21:25','',187,'https://salsrc.net/?p=553',0,'revision','',0),(554,1,'2022-11-16 11:22:34','2022-11-16 11:22:34','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Caste, Gender, History of Education, Dalit Feminism</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Shailaja Paik is Associate Professor of History and Affiliate in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at the University of Cincinnati. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"http://srishtimanipalinstitute.in/people/farhat-ara\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:podlove-web-player/shortcode {\"publisher\":\"112\",\"config\":\"default-podlove\",\"template\":\"no-image\"} /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>“Education is not merely for gaining degrees or getting employment, but it has a significant potential for fighting systemic oppression. And that is …where I see Dalit pedagogy is heading.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Dr. Paik discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her motivation for centering Dalit Women in her work. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>What terms she uses to refer to caste-oppressed communities and why</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Theories (e.g., Black feminism, Dalit activism, critical pedagogy) and methods (oral history) she uses to understand Dalit women’s educational experiences </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her recommendations, based on her research and praxis, for supporting Dalit pedagogy. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Further Reading:</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list {\"ordered\":true} -->\n<ol><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her first book <em>Dalit Women\'s Education in Modern India: Double Discrimination</em> (London and New York: Routledge, 2014) examines the nexus between caste, class, gender, and state pedagogical practices among Dalit (\"Untouchable\") women in urban India. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her second book <em>The Vulgarity of Caste: Dalits, Sexuality, and Humanity</em> (Stanford University Press) focuses on the politics of caste, class, gender, sexuality, and popular culture in modern Maharashtra.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Paik, S. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"width\":150,\"height\":150,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail is-resized\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"thumbnail\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-thumbnail\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-150x150.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:visheshkay@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">visheshkay@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','inherit','closed','closed','','369-revision-v1','','','2022-11-16 23:56:28','2022-11-16 23:56:28','',369,'https://salsrc.net/?p=569',0,'revision','',0),(570,1,'2022-11-17 00:06:24','2022-11-17 00:06:24','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"center\",\"id\":456,\"width\":259,\"height\":60,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"className\":\"is-style-default\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized is-style-default\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/manthan-logo.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-456\" width=\"259\" height=\"60\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">ಮಂಥನ</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">मंथन</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">মন্থন</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:separator {\"opacity\":\"css\",\"className\":\"is-style-wide\"} -->\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-css-opacity is-style-wide\"/>\n<!-- /wp:separator -->\n\n<!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. 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[<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2021-Workshop.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"378\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Suggested-Citation\">Suggested Citation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This website is authored by Deborah Dutta, Gayithri Jayathirtha, Suraj Uttamchandani, and Vishesh Kumar, in no particular order. We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-17 00:39:30','2022-11-17 00:39:30','',6,'https://salsrc.net/?p=573',0,'revision','',0),(574,1,'2022-11-17 00:40:07','2022-11-17 00:40:07','<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">About Us</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Deborah\"><em>Deborah</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Gayithri\"><em>Gayithri</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Suraj\"><em>Suraj</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Vishesh\"><em>Vishesh</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Deborah\">Deborah</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":555,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"style\":{\"border\":{\"radius\":\"0px\",\"width\":\"0px\",\"style\":\"none\"}}} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium has-custom-border\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/deborah-pic-2-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-555\" style=\"border-style:none;border-width:0px;border-radius:0px\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I am a researcher working at the interface between environmental education, urban studies and cognitive psychology, with a focus on community-practice based approaches such as urban farming. Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:visheshkay@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">visheshkay@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','inherit','closed','closed','','369-revision-v1','','','2022-11-17 00:40:07','2022-11-17 00:40:07','',369,'https://salsrc.net/?p=574',0,'revision','',0),(575,1,'2022-11-17 00:40:08','2022-11-17 00:40:08','<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">Our Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100,\"align\":\"center\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button aligncenter has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Orientation\"><em>Orientation</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Transitions\"><em>Transitions in Process</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100,\"className\":\"is-style-fill\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 is-style-fill\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Conclusion\"><em>Conclusions and New ideas</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Orientation\">Orientation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While we describe our individual motivations on the about page, our collective is also theoretically motivated by studying learning in contexts outside “the west” to deepen our understandings of what, how, when, and why people learn (Members of SALSRC, 2021). Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"10px\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:10px\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><a href=\"#Top\">^</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->','manthan ಮಂಥನ मंथन মন্থন','','inherit','closed','closed','','6-revision-v1','','','2022-11-17 00:41:55','2022-11-17 00:41:55','',6,'https://salsrc.net/?p=577',0,'revision','',0),(578,1,'2022-11-17 09:22:41','2022-11-17 09:22:41','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:post-featured-image /--></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"50%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Keywords</strong>: Literacy, Teacher Professional Development, Politics of Language, Classroom Dynamics</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Bio</strong>: Lalitha Krishnamurthy is ever excited about the process of learning and what needs to be learnt, why, and how is it to be learnt. 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wp:paragraph -->\n<p id=\"About-Manthan\"><em>Manthan</em> - the word - means deep introspection, reflection that churns your thoughts and leaves you unsettled. This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:visheshkay@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">visheshkay@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','inherit','closed','closed','','369-revision-v1','','','2022-11-20 23:33:56','2022-11-20 23:33:56','',369,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=582',0,'revision','',0),(583,1,'2022-11-20 23:33:57','2022-11-20 23:33:57','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"center\",\"id\":456,\"width\":259,\"height\":60,\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"className\":\"is-style-default\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized is-style-default\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/manthan-logo.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-456\" width=\"259\" height=\"60\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">ಮಂಥನ</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">मंथन</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">মন্থন</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"textAlign\":\"center\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center\">Our Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100,\"align\":\"center\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button aligncenter has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Orientation\"><em>Orientation</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Transitions\"><em>Transitions in Process</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"width\":100,\"className\":\"is-style-fill\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 is-style-fill\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"#Conclusion\"><em>Conclusions and New ideas</em></a></div>\n<!-- /wp:button --></div>\n<!-- /wp:buttons --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Orientation\">Orientation</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While we describe our individual motivations on the about page, our collective is also theoretically motivated by studying learning in contexts outside “the west” to deepen our understandings of what, how, when, and why people learn (Members of SALSRC, 2021). Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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how, when, and why people learn (Members of SALSRC, 2021). Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. 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We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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approaches such as urban farming. Looking back at my family’s constant migration across Indian cities in search of livelihood and education, I think my innate desire to belong to a place drew me to explore one’s connections with land more closely. By virtue of living in rather small rented houses for a good part of my childhood, I spent most of my time sitting on kitchens counters, soaking in the aromas and stories of various recipes of Bangla cuisine. My mother would often complain regarding the unavailability of certain food items in the markets and would eagerly wait for friends or relatives to bring some sought after vegetable or spice when they would be returning from our native place. Growing up, I was intuitively aware of the complexities surrounding one’s sense of identity as my ‘native’ continued to get pushed back into hazy memories, with newer migrations and travel creating different layers of being. These ideas continued to grow as I was exposed to questions in environmental philosophy speaking of a fundamental disconnect with land as the root cause of ecologically damaging behaviour at individual and collective level. But, whose land? Which people? To what ends? These questions have continue to motivate much of my research and teaching as an educator. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I got interested in the project owing to its explicit commitment to widen the discourse on education and pedagogy, especially incorporating critical perspectives emerging from the work in non-western contexts and theories. As a researcher based in India, this was a meaningful step in the direction of illustrating the spectrum of work happening here, through drawing upon ways in which the intersectionalities of caste, class, gender, religion, and socio-ecological realities offer a complex educational landscape. How do educators negotiate these tensions while trying to support critical perspectives? What is the role of different formal and non-formal institutions in maintaining or challenging dominant discourses? How do practitioners sustain their personal visions of social transformation in the face of a rapidly changing socio-political climate? In a time where a singular narrative threatens to silence plurality of experiences, I felt this project offers a glimmer of hope through acknowledging and respecting the diversity of voices that constitute the vibrant social histories in India. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:debbiebornfree@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">debbiebornfree@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Gayithri\">Gayithri</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":498,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/gayithri-pic-1-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-498\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There are so many ways I identify myself, like everybody else. To start with, I am an international scholar/researcher, born and raised in Bangalore, India, but currently working as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Oregon, Eugene, in the United States. Though my disciplinary home is computing education, within that, I work towards integrating the social, cultural, and political dimensions of computing. I strive to bring to the fore the implications of technical solutions on marginalised individuals, communities, and societies. I primarily work with high school teachers to realise this vision of critical computing education within their classrooms, curricular materials, and teacher preparation efforts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>My grandfather and father, who modelled what it means to be critical and never let me settle for simplistic explanations of anything, inspire most of my work. They taught me to question the caste system, orthodoxy, gender roles, institutional domination, and exploitation, to mention a few. I carry forward a similar commitment to asking harder questions to deepen my relationships—personally as a daughter, sister, cousin, wife, daughter-in-law, and aunt, and professionally as an emerging scholar, a mentee, and a mentor. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The shift in the social, cultural, and political context when I moved to the US for the graduate program in 2015 made me question a lot of what I saw. Why are we reading papers and scholarships mainly from the US or EU countries? Why did I even choose to come to the US to pursue my graduate studies? Stories of patriarchy, even when discussed in classes, sounded very different and distanced from my personal experiences. Issues of caste and religious discrimination that I witnessed (not experienced) growing up as a female in a semi-orthodox Brahmin family were barely taken up in class materials or ensuing discussions. In these questions and observations was also a struggle to find my place as an educational researcher from India or the “global south.” As I searched for answers to some of these questions, the contextual nature of educational endeavours—the kind of questions we ask, the theories that guide us, our perspectives of and expectations from research and its connections to societies, and the resources we have at our disposal—became apparent. I started seeking and learning so much from Black feminist scholars, indigenous scholars, and dalit writers and activists. I soon realised that I need to decenter the western gaze and lenses and instead hear from the voices embedded in the context if I have to further understand the sociocultural and sociopolitical factors that shape education in India, which I most intimately have experiences of. Voices from the margins in the US and how they led their communities towards uncovering similar complexities shaping their children’s education inspired me to dream up this project with my friends Suraj and Vishesh, whom Deborah soon joined!</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:gayithri@uoregon.edu\">gayithri@uoregon.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column {\"width\":\"100%\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\"><!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Suraj\">Suraj</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":496,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/suraj-pic-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-496\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Professionally, I position myself as a learning scientist, qualitative methodologist, and critical equity-oriented scholar. My work takes up sociocultural and political theories of learning, and focuses on learning as a process of social change. For example, in the past I have partnered with LGBTQ+ youth activists as they tried to make their schools more inclusive–and explored what and how the youth learned in the process. Outside of work, I am an activist and writer. I love to read, especially sci-fi/fantasy, young adult, and graphic novels. I watch a lot of TV, particularly comedy. And I love to cook. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew up in the United States. In doing so, I became increasingly uncomfortable with limited (and therefore homogenising) mainstream narratives of Indian people in politics, arts, and US culture broadly. Politically, some prominent Indian American politicians were quick to position themselves as separate from racism in the United states, from neutral observers to ‘model minorities’ that disproved the existence of systemic racism. Over time I noticed that these narratives allowed Indian Americans’ experiences to be used as a cudgel against racial justice movements, particularly those led by Black, Latinx, and Indigenous people, by homogenising them. I came to realise that there is enormous diversity even among Indians in the United States–and that to talk about “the Indian diaspora” meaningfully would require a deeper understanding of things like caste, indigeneity, religion, politics in South Asia, and colonialism. At the same time, artistic depictions of Indian Americans tended to boil down culture to its most visible elements (and these too from only dominant sub-cultures) – food, religion, ceremonies, languages – which are important, but omit harder to capture the invisible dimensions, like the cultural nature of the advice my family gives me. My family is Sindhi, and left Sindh (in modern Pakistan) in the events around Partition. Thus, I feel a natural curiosity about this period of history and its repercussions. These experiences positioned me as wanting to better understand diverse Indian cultures, and, perhaps more importantly, to do so in a way that resisted homogenising and universalising such a large region (especially in a way that erased differences that matter for pursuing social justice). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I grew as a learning scientist to sharpen my commitment to equity and justice, both in and through the study of learning. This specific focus on learning and education seemed a productive constraint for beginning this exploration, especially alongside my collaborators who had had different experiences as Indians. Over the course of this project, I have become increasingly aware of how US-based scholars doing work outside the US must be intentional in not reifying US hegemony or erasing important nuances. Throughout the doing of this project, I therefore was–and remain–generatively unsure if I was the “right person” to participate in the crafting of these projects. However, I also am weary of using one’s positionality as a way to “opt out” of learning anything further. While of course our/my perspective shaped who was interviewed and what was asked, ultimately this project–for me–focused on learning from and with those who sat for discussion with us.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:suttamchandani@adelphi.edu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">suttamchandani@adelphi.edu</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Vishesh\">Vishesh</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:image {\"align\":\"left\",\"id\":500,\"sizeSlug\":\"medium\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-medium\"><img src=\"https://salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/vishesh-asleep-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-500\"/></figure>\n<!-- /wp:image -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>About Me</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I engage in learning science research aimed at understanding how to design tools, technologies, and spaces for richer varieties of collaboration to take place. My work involves designing games and tools to be used across classrooms as well as informal environments centering creativity, agency, and rich social learning opportunities. I am most interested in expanding access to learning socially in richly diverse manners – in terms of disciplinary silos as well as the ability to engage in different modalities of collaboration. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I believe this perspective comes from the centrality of social value, belonging, and connections in what I have pursued learning and doing, and how I have been able to learn to do things. In these social pursuits, I have noticed my connections with different people often becomes the underlying fabric for that relationship as well as the ideas and practices I learn from the same. I use this as a compass for my personal community building as well as how I think about the design of collaborative learning environments in my work.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>In pursuing this project (from its inception to its completion), I have grown in my understanding about critical issues of caste, gender, sexual orientation, and disability in India. I have valued how my understanding of and relationship to these issues (especially as belonging to dominant groups across these categories) evolved through reading broad analyses, works from specific people, and then conversations with the same people often having lived experiences of these issues.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"fontSize\":\"medium\"} -->\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>Motivation for Participating in Manthan</strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Through my graduate education in the United States, there was a noticeable centering of American perspectives in who was studied as learners, as well as who did the studying (in the rare case that research was conducted outside the United States). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>While my curriculum itself did not provide me the tools to articulate this shortcoming, gathering as a social collective of the influx of Indian graduate students in the Learning Sciences, we were able to initiate conversations that surfaced for me how perspectives from our cultural backgrounds can inform and create a different learning science(s) from the one we currently study and have access to. This vision of helping expand what the learning sciences looks like as a field of study, design, and theory development – by being deeply influenced by perspectives that have been ignored so far – was key in my excitement about Manthan.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>Email: </strong><a href=\"mailto:visheshkay@gmail.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">visheshkay@gmail.com</a></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','About Us','','inherit','closed','closed','','369-revision-v1','','','2022-11-20 23:45:30','2022-11-20 23:45:30','',369,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=595',0,'revision','',0),(596,1,'2022-11-20 23:45:44','2022-11-20 23:45:44','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button 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Situating ourselves in a long tradition of anti-oppressive work by critical scholars and activists, we are explicitly animated by an equity and justice frame. This means that (a) we understand social life to hold structures that stratify and oppress; (b) we attend to these structures as relevant to making sense of learning; and (c) we believe education should work to mitigate and undo these oppressive social structures. We position <em>Manthan </em>as an intervention into the universalising of learning theory and design that is largely developed in so-called “WEIRD” nations–those that are Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, and Democratic (Henrich et al., 2010). This project is part of a larger movement of transnational and multicontextual solidarity across “non-WEIRD” contexts (e.g., nations, colonies, regions as well as communities, Tribes, and peoples), particularly with regard to equitable teaching and learning (Tsovaltzi et al., 2022). Thus, our goal here is less to “bring India to the table” and more to participate in this larger movement. But to be clear, simply looking outside “the west” is not an equity project in and of itself. Doing so uncritically can inadvertently amplify oppressive structures –such as jingoism, casteism, colonial projects, and so on –under the guise of justice. Instead, in this project we value plurality, dialogue, and contextual specificity within our commitment to social justice. Thus, <em>Manthan </em>does not seek to advance a single, unproblematic “Indian way of knowing.” Rather, we surface multiple voices and a great many ways of thinking, some of which can help us unravel particular social injustices.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\">Approach</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We began our process by reaching out to scholars and practitioners based in India that would be relevant to the learning sciences as it exists, as well as those who could push and expand our understanding in and of the learning sciences. Early on, our main approach was “snowballing” — that is, asking our contacts, networks, and interviewees to point us towards potential new interviewees. Here, we appreciated and built on our existing relationships within the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, we quickly realised the impossibility of being exhaustive. We came to understand the futility of trying to build a comprehensive, “representative” sample of people and work relevant to the learning sciences in India; there was simply no way to “represent” the complex, diverse peoples that comprise (historical and contemporary) India and the Indian Diaspora. Furthermore, this project began just before the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which heavily affected our efforts. Our interviewees, and us too, faced the difficulties and challenges of the pandemic. These circumstances together prompted us to shift our focus from structured interviews to dialogical, story-telling, and inherently incomplete interviews (see next section, “Transitions in Process”). </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our procedure, overall, involved listing many possible interviewees. Over 100 names were floated! We considered dimensions such as the potential interviewees’ background, area of research, positionality, and geographical contexts. We explicitly sought out perspectives from underrepresented groups and sought to maximise the diversity of our interviewee pool as best we could. Once we had selected someone as a potential interviewee, we reached out to them, explaining our project and why we had wanted to talk to them specifically. If they agreed to an interview, we next familiarise ourselves with the interviewee’s work and wrote questions specific to their background that might be interesting to our audience and might elicit stories about education research and practice in India. Our interviewees had the opportunity to collaboratively modify the questions in a back-and-forth conversation.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Once the interview was completed, we transcribed it. We asked participants to reflect on the interview and transcript, as well as provide a biography, so that they could approve the final website copy. Using grant funding from ISLS, each participant was paid an honorarium for their participation if desired. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Transitions\">Transitions in Process</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>The project has entailed many transitions for us, as researchers, and our collective vision of the project. At first, we created a semi-structured interview protocol that was refined after a couple of pilot interviews. We had devised separate questions for people who identified as researchers, academics, or practitioners, but used variants of the same protocol for each interview. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>However, as the project progressed, the conversations led us to question this standardised format, and the investigative approach began to feel extractive in nature. We realised that our questions were sometimes stifling, rather than inviting, our interviewers to elaborate, whereas when we had a more dialogical conversation, the discussion felt better and more generative. This prompted a shift in approach in which we developed questions and comments tailored to the specific background of each person being interviewed. This in turn caused our mental categories of researcher/ academic/ practitioner to blur as well. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thus, we found ourselves embracing the complex intersectionalities and identities contributing to the work of each interviewee. The interviews themselves began to look like invitations for further dialogues and research, rather than a finished ‘deliverable’ in a museum for display only. This incompleteness became a generative platform to imagine newer questions and perspectives, rather than signalling a set directionality to the respective narratives. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-large-font-size\" id=\"Conclusion\">Conclusion and New Ideas</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Despite the eclectic range of interviews in this project, it hardly captures the complex and varied dimensions of learning and equity-related issues in India. To assume anything else would be a sign of hubris. This project was meant to acknowledge and emphasise the need to move beyond Western contexts, and beyond deficit-oriented theories of teaching and learning in the learning sciences. Our effort is an invitation to other learning sciences scholars and researchers from related disciplines to develop new methodologies, theories, and perspectives to enrich the field based on multiple ways of knowing, being, and becoming. Rather than summarising all that surfaced across these many varied interviews, we invite you to explore the website and engage with the voices of our interviewees directly. In doing so, we hope it becomes easier to envision what the field of the learning sciences will become by embracing plural epistemologies and critical dialogues across contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Our Process','','inherit','closed','closed','','373-revision-v1','','','2022-11-20 23:45:44','2022-11-20 23:45:44','',373,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=596',0,'revision','',0),(597,1,'2022-11-20 23:45:56','2022-11-20 23:45:56','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"background\",\"textColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"padding\":{\"top\":\"0\",\"right\":\"0\",\"bottom\":\"0\",\"left\":\"0\"}}},\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; } @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) { html{ scroll-behavior: auto; } }\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-button has-custom-width wp-block-button__width-100 html { scroll-behavior: smooth; 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. We discuss the process by which the interviews were crafted and selected in detail on the <em>Process </em>page</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2 id=\"Interview-List\">Interview List</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:latest-posts {\"categories\":[{\"id\":5,\"count\":1,\"description\":\"\",\"link\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/?cat=5\",\"name\":\"Interviews\",\"slug\":\"interviews\",\"taxonomy\":\"category\",\"parent\":0,\"meta\":[],\"_links\":{\"self\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories/5\"}],\"collection\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/categories\"}],\"about\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=/wp/v2/taxonomies/category\"}],\"wp:post_type\":[{\"href\":\"https://www.salsrc.net/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fposts\\u0026categories=5\"}],\"curies\":[{\"name\":\"wp\",\"href\":\"https://api.w.org/{rel}\",\"templated\":true}]}}],\"postsToShow\":15,\"displayPostContent\":true,\"postLayout\":\"grid\",\"columns\":2,\"order\":\"asc\",\"orderBy\":\"title\",\"displayFeaturedImage\":true,\"featuredImageAlign\":\"left\",\"featuredImageSizeWidth\":150,\"featuredImageSizeHeight\":150,\"align\":\"wide\"} /-->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Acknowledgments\">Acknowledgments</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Sugat Dabholkar, Adalbert Gerald Soosai Raj, and DurgaPrasad Karnam for helping us improve interview questions.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayesha Bhimdiwala, Ishita Pradhan, Gautam Bisht, Tanushree Sarkar, and Vivek Vellanki for their help in making connections. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Ayush Gupta for crucial insights and reorientations along the way.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Priyanka Agarwal and Mamta Shah for being collaborators on the first iteration of this project.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (SALSRC) for discussions and support throughout the initiative.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Participants in our ISLS 2021 workshop, “Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond ‘the west’,” for helping us situate this project in a larger conversation. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Of course, all who sat for an interview with us.</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The ISLS Affinity & Regional Outreach Grants program for their funding and support of this project. </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Funding\">Funding</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project was funded with support from the International Society of the Learning Sciences (ISLS), Regional and Affinity Outreach Program. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material do not necessarily reflect the views of ISLS. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:heading {\"fontSize\":\"x-large\"} -->\n<h2 class=\"has-x-large-font-size\" id=\"Publications\">Project-Related Publications</h2>\n<!-- /wp:heading --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., & Uttamchandani, S. (in no particular order) (2022). Soch: Expanding Indian and Indian diasporic ways of thinking in the learning sciences. In symposium. In J. Oshima, T. Mochizuki, & Y. Hayashi (Eds.), <em>General Proceedings of the 2<sup>nd</sup> Annual Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences </em>(pp. 9-16). International Society of the Learning Sciences. [<a href=\"https://www.salsrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Invited-Symposium-from-ISLS2022-General-Proceedings.pdf\" data-type=\"attachment\" data-id=\"379\">Link</a>]</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Members of the South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (Dutta, D., Jayathirtha, G., Kumar, V., and Uttamchandani, S., in no particular order). Towards a Transnational, Decolonial, and Non-WEIRD Learning Sciences: Implications of perspectives from beyond “the west” (Workshop). In A. Wichmann, H. U. Hoppe, & N. Rummel (Eds.).<em> General Proceedings of the Meeting of the International Society of the Learning Sciences 2021</em> (pp. 65-68). International Society of the Learning Sciences. 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We prefer to be cited as “Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective.”</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite the website as a whole, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Manthan</em>. <<https://manthan.salsrc.net>>. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular webpage, please use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Webpage Name</em>. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To cite a particular interview, you may use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>LAST NAME, FIRST NAME & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of {Name} by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. URL. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For example, to cite just the interview with Radha Gopalan, you would use: </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:quote -->\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Gopalan, R. & Members of South Asian Learning Sciences Research Collective (2022). <em>Interview of Radha Gopalan by SALSRC. </em>Manthan. 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Its three core goals are to: (1) Support South Asian scholars in the learning sciences and related fields; (2) Facilitate collaboration around learning sciences research in South Asian contexts, and; (3) Advance heterogeneous South Asian Ways of knowing and learning. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We use the term “South Asia” as used by the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation to refer to current-day Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Maldives, Nepal, India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. 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Whereas, for them, there was they had to come back by dinner time.”</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></blockquote>\n<!-- /wp:quote -->\n\n<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><strong>In this interview, </strong>Anjali discusses:</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:list -->\n<ul><!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her background growing up in Bhopal and her family’s language practices in Konkani, Portuguese, English, and Marathi</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her study of economics and journey to education</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>The founding of Eklayva schools</li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item -->\n\n<!-- wp:list-item -->\n<li>Her current views on multilingual education </li>\n<!-- /wp:list-item --></ul>\n<!-- /wp:list --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column -->\n\n<!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:columns -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns --></div>\n<!-- /wp:column --></div>\n<!-- /wp:columns -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p></p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->','Anjali Noronha','Educational Institutions <br />\nPolitics of Language<br />\nScience Education<br />\nCurriculum Development','inherit','closed','closed','','328-revision-v1','','','2022-11-30 15:43:20','2022-11-30 15:43:20','',328,'https://www.salsrc.net/?p=602',0,'revision','',0),(609,1,'2023-03-31 16:32:47','2023-03-31 16:32:47','<!-- wp:columns {\"align\":\"wide\"} -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignwide\"><!-- wp:column -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-column\"><!-- wp:buttons -->\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons\"><!-- wp:button {\"backgroundColor\":\"background\",\"textColor\":\"primary\",\"width\":100,\"style\":{\"spacing\":{\"padding\":{\"top\":\"0\",\"right\":\"0\",\"bottom\":\"0\",\"left\":\"0\"}}},\"className\":\"html { scroll-behavior: smooth; 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This word comes up in a variety of South Asian languages, including Kannada, Bangla, and Hindi to name a few.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em>Manthan</em> – this website and project – is a web repository of 15 interviews with scholar-practitioners working in diverse Indian contexts. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This project has been about talking to people working in diverse Indian contexts to understand their perspectives on educational practices, the sociopolitical realities within which they are trying to contribute, and their goals. In doing so, we seek to expand the learning sciences by deepening our understanding of knowledge practices, learning processes, and educational equity beyond western contexts.</p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p><em></em>To most comprehensively make sense of these issues, we connected with scholars, educational practitioners, and activists who have explored learning and education as it intersects with the social, cultural, historical, and political dimensions of Indian and Indian Diasporic lives. These dialogues offered opportunities to bring into focus what may be taken for granted about contextual specificity. Through conversing with them, we have tried to <em>expand</em>, rather than <em>flatten</em>, the diversity of Indian contexts.Specifically, we actively sought to speak to scholars from minoritized groups and/or those with explicit foci on equity through consideration of issues such as caste discrimination, LGBTQ+ lives, sexism, religious discrimination, Indigeneity, and so on as they relate to education. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We focus on India specifically because all of us have at one point or another described ourselves as “Indian,” and we felt this was a good position from which to explore and complicate what that means (see <em>About Each Author </em>below). Keeping in mind the histories of borders and movement we hope <em>Manthan</em> provides a launching ground to engage and hear from voices across the South Asian region more broadly. </p>\n<!-- /wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>For learning scientists in “the west,” we hope this provides a lively introduction (and only an introduction) to what it would look like to expand the cultural contexts in which we build theory and design for consequential learning. For scholars in India and from Indian backgrounds, we hope this project contributes to theorising, collaborating on, and co-creating justice-oriented learning research in Indian settings. For learning scientists from outside “the west,” we hope our approach can be a seed for similar projects in other contexts. For all readers, we hope this project inspires manthan. 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